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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #101 on: September 30, 2015, 09:01:55 AM »
Looking forward to see how Dr. Ben responds to the meeting between Baraq and Putin, the Russian-Iranian-Iraqi Axis that is forming, Trump's comments, and the Russian "request" for us to stay out of their way.


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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #102 on: September 30, 2015, 09:07:29 AM »
Looking at the polls, Carson shows the most consistent upward path.  Looking at the debates and interviews, he is not improving in performance all that fast.  What is happening is that more and more people are seeing what those of us watching it everyday saw a little sooner.  

Then race aspect is interesting.  A LOT of conservatives who happen to be white are very tired of being called racist for not supporting the sending of trillions of dollars to the underclass in America to in effect prevent them from ever rising.  I feared seeing 10 middle aged white guys on the stage sending out a message that white conservatives want to hear and be dismissed just on the look of it by the rest of America.  Having Carson in the mix (and also Carly) is enough to hush that vacuous argument and move it back to substance and validity.

Polls of registered Republicans include roughly zero inner city blacks and their television sets aren't generally tuned to Republican debates on Fox, CNN etc.  Carson hasn't even started to reach them.  That won't really start to happen until the general election.  I doubt Carson will be the nominee, or the VP, therefore I yearn for a way to get the story and message of Ben Carson and other black conservatives into their world.
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Revisiting his completely unnoticed support of reforming the minimum wage...

Crafty wrote:  "Are you making the perfect the enemy of the good here?"

Yes.  I attacked Trump on private takings and removing millions from paying any federal tax.   I attacked Huckabee on the naivete of the fair tax.  And so on...   I want to know what level of understanding they have on these issues we study here day after day.  Some time has elapsed.  I am wondering if he has staff who know that minimum wage law hurts the people it intends to help.  I am wondering how quick a study this brain surgeon is and how interested he is in these issues.  Minimum wage law is popular, I am wondering which candidates will lead and which will follow.  I find this to be a major contradiction within the Carson candidacy, so it baffles me.

Simple solution is to acknowledge it is bad law but choose to not make it his fight.  The more we grow economic opportunity, the more irrelevant minimum wage becomes.  But to perpetuate a Democratic economic myth is not helpful to the cause of defeating them.  We will never out-bid the left on the generosity of government programs and mandates.  JMHO.

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #103 on: September 30, 2015, 09:14:42 AM »
The endless attacks from the MSM on Carson for his comments about the Sharia law are obnoxious.
I would certainly have to question if a Hassidic Jew would be able to be President with his beliefs. 
There is NOTHING controversial about his line of reasoning.  But of course the MSM has to keep up the mantra about Republicans being bigots.


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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #104 on: September 30, 2015, 09:17:57 AM »
The more important point IMHO is that Dr. Ben is MAKING this point and defending it without flinching , thus making it more socially/politically acceptable to say it-- especially as he continues to rise in the polls.

Is not what he has done here real leadership?
 

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« Reply #105 on: September 30, 2015, 09:26:53 AM »
The more important point IMHO is that Dr. Ben is MAKING this point and defending it without flinching , thus making it more socially/politically acceptable to say it-- especially as he continues to rise in the polls.

Is not what he has done here real leadership?
 

Yes.

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« Reply #106 on: September 30, 2015, 11:04:05 AM »
The endless attacks from the MSM on Carson for his comments about the Sharia law are obnoxious.
I would certainly have to question if a Hassidic Jew would be able to be President with his beliefs. 
There is NOTHING controversial about his line of reasoning.  But of course the MSM has to keep up the mantra about Republicans being bigots.

CCP is right.  But Carson is guilty of letting himself get side-tracked, unless he thinks this is one of the top 3 issues we face.

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #107 on: September 30, 2015, 11:13:46 AM »
The endless attacks from the MSM on Carson for his comments about the Sharia law are obnoxious.
I would certainly have to question if a Hassidic Jew would be able to be President with his beliefs. 
There is NOTHING controversial about his line of reasoning.  But of course the MSM has to keep up the mantra about Republicans being bigots.

CCP is right.  But Carson is guilty of letting himself get side-tracked, unless he thinks this is one of the top 3 issues we face.

I would say it is in the top 3.

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« Reply #108 on: September 30, 2015, 12:12:43 PM »
IMHO most certainly in the "Top Three"-- worth noting it is something that we here have discussed here many times in depth.  I would note that Dr. Ben's formulation is quite similar to what I have advocated here over the years.  Maybe he is another secret lurker on this forum? :lol:

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« Reply #109 on: September 30, 2015, 12:20:40 PM »
Good.  Then he IS on the right track.

I want to hear more from him on some other things.  Plenty of time for that as his numbers show a continuous rise.


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Re: Dr. Ben on bringing in Syrian refugees; hiring Trump
« Reply #111 on: October 04, 2015, 08:00:00 AM »

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #112 on: October 05, 2015, 03:35:26 PM »
Now Carson really scares me.............

Put in a No Fly Zone beginning at the Turkey border.  Is he going to enforce this against Russia?
Inflict pain on Putin........is Carson serious? Does he want to start a war?

Carson and the other NeoCons need to understand the Russian view of their Eastern Borders. Russia is generally attacked through the East in all of history. We start messing around those borders with a full blown No Fly Zone and using financial attacks against Russia, it is only going to worsen thing.


http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/05/carson-establish-no-fly-zone-along-turkish-border-use-all-the-facilities-to-inflict-pain-on-putin/

Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson argued for establishing a no-fly zone along the Turkish border and using “all the facilities that we have available to us…to inflict pain” on Vladimir Putin on Monday’s “Cavuto: Coast to Coast” on the Fox Business Network.

Carson stated, “What we, I don’t think, should do, is back down from Putin, right now. We need to make him aware of the fact that we’re not going to alter our flight patterns. We’re not be restricted by anything that he says, same thing with ground, air we will — I would establish a no-fly zone along the Turkish border, because we don’t want the forces to be in juxtaposition, because that will increase the possibility of an international incident. And I would be talking to Putin, and he needs to understand that if he continues with this activity, we’re going to use all the facilities that we have available to us, including financial facilities, to inflict pain on him.”

Carson added, after being told of fellow candidate Donald Trump’s position that if Putin wants to take out ISIS, he should be allowed to do so, “I do not want to allow Vladimir Putin to expand his influence. That’s been his goal for quite some time now. He was very disappointed with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and its tremendous influence worldwide. We cannot contribute to his ability to re-gain that.”

He continued, “we need to have a global strategy, and it needs not only be in Syria, we need to be talking about the Baltic basin. We need to be talking about all of Eastern Europe. We need to be challenging him there. We need more than one armored brigade there — more than two armored brigades. We need to have a missile defense system re-established, which he was horrified when it was there before. Let’s get in his face a little bit.”
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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #113 on: October 05, 2015, 03:44:43 PM »
I will be interested to see what General Jack Keane, Col. Ralph Peters, and others have to say about this.

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #114 on: October 05, 2015, 04:33:26 PM »
"view of their Eastern Borders"

What a second.   The east is Siberia not Turkey.  Are you thinking "Eastern front" as in the *German Eastern front*?

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« Reply #115 on: October 05, 2015, 04:55:52 PM »
East/South East to be more correct. 

Mother Russia has always had the fear of the threat from the East, and even the West. So any understanding of Mother Russia must take into account border security.
Russia has over the centuries been subject to invasions by the Monguls and all sorts of other invaders, culminating with the Germans in WW2. So they think of security in being to build "buffer zones" of states for border security.

Most European Wars have been fought over land and borders, with borders changing back and forth among the different states. If in the future we see a true financial/societal collapse of Europe, this will again be the norm, with the different states competing for the limited natural resources of Europe, i.e. rivers, deep water ports and even farmable land. For Russia, with their immense borders, they must build a buffer zone that will allow for access to those ports, but also provide security for Mother Russia.

Need to think this out some more and how to put into words. It is all thoughts in my head now.
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Dr. Ben Carson on evolution and creation
« Reply #119 on: October 10, 2015, 04:09:31 PM »
A lot of people are puzzled by and/or put off by Dr. Ben's rejection of evolution.  Here he is in his own words:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPqq6fr2CF4

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« Reply #120 on: October 15, 2015, 08:27:01 AM »
Okay, even I am puzzled by this one.............Carson putting his campaign on hold for another two weeks why he continues his book tour. He will not campaign until the CNBC debate at the end of the month.

WTF?

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/15/ben-carson-putting-campaign-on-hold-for-two-weeks-for-a-book-tour/
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« Reply #121 on: October 15, 2015, 12:22:45 PM »
Okay, even I am puzzled by this one.............Carson putting his campaign on hold for another two weeks why he continues his book tour. He will not campaign until the CNBC debate at the end of the month.

WTF?

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/15/ben-carson-putting-campaign-on-hold-for-two-weeks-for-a-book-tour/

He is interrupting campaign events in order to promote a book (and the author).  I assume it is for legalistic reasons even though the success of the book, "A more Perfect Union" and the success of the campaign are one and the same.  Candidates need something new to get on the big shows and stay in the news. 
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-puts-public-campaign-events-hold-weeks/story?id=34481847

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #122 on: October 19, 2015, 03:27:24 PM »
Ben Carson yesterday.

Yesterday, on This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Ben Carson advocated for incorporating more socialism into America, for making all medical schools “free”, for adding more regulations, and for eliminating for-profit insurance companies. Really. See for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VREQ_5VzVWk&i=CarsonOnABC

“Unfortunately, much of the healthcare system in our country is a class system: those who do not have money usually do not get the best care.” -Ben Carson
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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #123 on: October 20, 2015, 12:39:53 PM »
Anyone like a copy of epub, A More Perfect Union, email me ppulatie@pacbell.net
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« Reply #124 on: October 20, 2015, 12:50:49 PM »
Not quite.

What I heard in the interview was that he said he USED TO advocate that back when he was trying to work within the existing framework but that he has abandoned that approach and now would put HSAs in the center of what he now advocates.  What I heard in this regard sounded pretty good to me.

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« Reply #125 on: October 21, 2015, 08:05:07 AM »
Here is what I don't understand.....

Carson has reinvented his positions on Health Care, Immigration, Gun Rights,  Affirmative Action. Rubio has swapped his on Immigration and Common Core among other things.

Why is it that people "forgive" or "allow" Carson and Rubio to change their positions and yet, that is not allowed for Trump?

Inquiring minds.....................

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« Reply #126 on: October 21, 2015, 08:08:54 AM »
Here is what I don't understand.....

Carson has reinvented his positions on Health Care, Immigration, Gun Rights,  Affirmative Action. Rubio has swapped his on Immigration and Common Core among other things.

Why is it that people "forgive" or "allow" Carson and Rubio to change their positions and yet, that is not allowed for Trump?

Inquiring minds.....................



How many more weeks of being a conservative does Trump have over those two pretenders?

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« Reply #127 on: October 21, 2015, 08:22:14 AM »
A couple of weeks?

I just don't understand it anymore, especially since I have given up on conventional Republican/Democrat politics. And when I see what is going on with Ryan, it makes me even more disillusioned.

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #128 on: October 21, 2015, 08:58:46 AM »
Here is what I don't understand.....
Carson has reinvented his positions on Health Care, Immigration, Gun Rights,  Affirmative Action. Rubio has swapped his on Immigration and Common Core among other things.
Why is it that people "forgive" or "allow" Carson and Rubio to change their positions and yet, that is not allowed for Trump?
Inquiring minds.....................

Are you suggesting that bias gets in the way of perception?    :wink:

Don't forget Hillary, very recently supporting only "traditional marriage", supported NAFTA and TPP, brags about balancing the budget (as First Lady?) with an economic surge that was caused by cutting capital gains tax rates and tightening the freebies of welfare.  Proof of Hillary being only about Hillary was that getting a like minded liberal elected to two terms who implemented all of her agenda and more was a truly personal loss and setback to her.

The difference in perception is this: Ben Carson is a very principled guy trying to apply his deeply held principles into real world, 2015-2016 policy positions.  He is a very authentic and principled person, at least that is the perception that has gotten him this far.  Leaving Trump out of it for a second, Hillary is a what?  A left leaning, power hungry, self interested person to put it nicely.  So when she says, I oppose the pipeline, she is saying that is the position most advantageous to me at this moment.

When Ben Carson says he wants to see a healthcare system based predominantly on health savings accounts, I think he is saying that is what he tinks is best for America at this point in time.  When he comes out with policy positions on the whole gamut of issues, I think he is trying to do what is best, and comes at it from an intuitively conservative point of view.

Trump is more complex.  Obviously he is a self promoter, wants to win more than any of them but defines winning differently than Hillary.  If or when he steps out he has already won.  What his prior versus current positions mean exactly, no one knows.  He doesn't have deeply held conservative and constitutional principles in my view.  Skipping the private taking issues, then use his support for the Pelosi-Reid congress.  That was too recent and too clear of a choice to get wrong no matter what your conservative frustrations were with people like McConnell, Boehner or Bush.

Rubio rubs the two of us differently.  You see an establishment puppet, a political opportunist.(?)  Leaving immigration aside for a different discussion, I see Rubio as pro-growth, limited government, freedom loving, tyranny hating, principled conservative.  So when he comes out with a tax plan that starts with a top rate that is still too high, I believe that he knows those rates need to come down further, not that he is a closet, big government liberal or status quo centrist.

What underlying, governing philosophy do people associate with Trump (again, leaving immigration aside for a separate discussion)?  His campaign is more to elect the person than to move the country in a certain direction, IMHO.  All his position changes happen to be in the direction of winning the current contest, the R nomination.  What would his position changes be in a general election?

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« Reply #129 on: October 21, 2015, 12:19:28 PM »
Carson may very well be approaching this based upon what he thinks is goo for the US at this time, and also based upon his own principals and conservative views. But at the same time, other thoughts must be considered:

1. Remember Herman Cain at this time back on 2011. He had support and then was taken out by the GOPe. Is Carson just a Herman Cain 2.0 clone, ready to be taken out?

2. Will Cain have cross over appeal which will be needed in the general election?

3. Assuming he comes President, does he have the force of personality to lead? To take on both the Dems and the Pubs in order to push an agenda that they want but does not fit what he wants? Or will he fold like a cheap suit?


Rubio .

1.He is a professional politician who has been wavering in his views on immigration depending upon whether he is talking to Americans, or to hispanic groups in Spanish.

2. Does he have the persona to lead, to challenge the interests of the COC and other groups or persons like Koch who intends on providing him PAC funds?

3. Where does Rubio really stand on the issues? Is he a staunch conservative, or a RINO? Can he get cross over appeal?


Trump:

Trump is the "protest candidate" for all of the voters fed up with the political process and which no longer trusts the party system. We know his views are not always in accord with what we want, but that does not matter. The reason is that the party ignores us anyway and will do what they want. Witness Boehner and McConnell.

The hope with Trump is that he will do something positive about immigration and health care, and not give in to COC and Wall Street desires. Furthermore, we see Trump as the only candidate that would stand up against the powers that be.

If Trump fails, then it was worth the try. Nothing would be lost since the  failure would have happened under any other elected politician. Pretty sad state off affairs when attitudes reach this point.

BTW, the Biden non-run condition only applies to today. If something happens to Hillary, he will mount his white horse and come to the rescue.



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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #130 on: October 21, 2015, 01:13:55 PM »
Carson may very well be approaching this based upon what he thinks is goo for the US at this time, and also based upon his own principals and conservative views. But at the same time, other thoughts must be considered:

1. Remember Herman Cain at this time back on 2011. He had support and then was taken out by the GOPe. Is Carson just a Herman Cain 2.0 clone, ready to be taken out?

2. Will Cain have cross over appeal which will be needed in the general election?

3. Assuming he comes President, does he have the force of personality to lead? To take on both the Dems and the Pubs in order to push an agenda that they want but does not fit what he wants? Or will he fold like a cheap suit?

The initial intrigue of Cain was analogous to Carson at the start.  But since the initial impression,
a. Carson has taken his game to another level.
b. Carson support has sustained to another level.
c. Carson has another level beyond Cain and most everyone else.
d.  9-9-9, Cain's trademark, was a policy aimed more at gaining short term attention than for governing.
d. Cain imploded based on personal baggage, not based on policies, position, race, lack of experience or anything else.
e.  Cain without the personal baggage might have been a better candidate than Romney and would have been a better President than Obama.

If Cain's personal life had held up to his public personna

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #131 on: October 21, 2015, 02:06:35 PM »
If the GOPe can knock out Trump, watch what they will do to Carson.
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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #132 on: October 22, 2015, 07:11:36 AM »
On the election thread, I made mention that I would support a Trump/Carson ticket. I am now officially revoking that position.

I have expressed concerns about Carson's view on:

1. The 2nd Amendment with his comments on "assault weapons" in the countryside but not cities.

2. Illegal immigrants.

3. Health Care

4. Affirmative Action expansive to other groups

I was even willing to overlook this based upon Carson "changing his views" arguments like CD has suggested. But this is now the end for me.....

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/22/ben-carson-lets-have-the-department-of-education-go-after-extreme-political-bias/

Carson would have the Dept of Education

"It would be to monitor our institutions of higher education for extreme political bias and deny federal funding if it eCxists.”

I understand the context that he might say this based upon "liberal extremism" on campuses and perhaps this would be the target. But this is again providing extreme power to a government agency which would impede 1st Amendment Rights.

The question now arises as to what Carson's real views on government power and social issues are.

BTW, this comes out the day before Quinnipac polling says that Carson is now leading in Iowa.


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« Reply #133 on: October 22, 2015, 10:45:07 AM »
You raise fair points.

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« Reply #134 on: October 22, 2015, 10:58:27 AM »
BTW,

I know that this does not matter (sarcasm) but Carson voted for Obama in both 2008 and 2012.

Who is Carson really?
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« Reply #135 on: October 22, 2015, 11:09:41 AM »
BTW,

I know that this does not matter (sarcasm) but Carson voted for Obama in both 2008 and 2012.

Who is Carson really?

Who did Trump vote for? Ever look at some of his not so old favorable comments about the Clinton crime family?

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« Reply #136 on: October 22, 2015, 11:21:02 AM »
"I know that this does not matter (sarcasm) but Carson voted for Obama in both 2008 and 2012."

 :-o :-o :-o

Citation?!?

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« Reply #137 on: October 22, 2015, 12:01:46 PM »
Let me find it.
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« Reply #138 on: October 22, 2015, 03:45:28 PM »
I found the source again, but am not happy with it.  Trying to get confirmation.
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« Reply #139 on: October 22, 2015, 05:34:50 PM »
Thank you.

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #140 on: October 23, 2015, 12:03:38 PM »
Club for Growth going after Trump for being anti-capitalist.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/257752-club-for-growth-rips-carson-as-anti-capitalist

The only way to knock off Trump is to knoch out Carson and hope that his supporters go to the Rube............
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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #141 on: October 23, 2015, 12:50:09 PM »
"Club for Growth going after Trump Carson for being anti-capitalist."

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/257752-club-for-growth-rips-carson-as-anti-capitalist

The only way to knock off Trump is to knoch out Carson and hope that his supporters go to the Rube............
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This is too bad.  I like Club for Growth, but healthcare in 2016 isn't going to be a realistic place to demand purity.

I would rather see them advise, publicize and compare rather than attack the candidates.
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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #142 on: October 23, 2015, 01:06:30 PM »
Club for Growth is supporting either Cruz or Rubio, whoever can win. Carson/Trump do not fit their goals.
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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #143 on: October 23, 2015, 02:18:29 PM »
Club for Growth is supporting either Cruz or Rubio, whoever can win. Carson/Trump do not fit their goals.

Right and I like Rubio, but the purpose of Club for Growth was to advance these principles.  Anyone can give money directly to a candidate.

Who that can get elected is going to have a healthcare plan that is purely free market, after all we've been through?  What will they think of next, letting us keep what we earn?

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« Reply #144 on: October 23, 2015, 02:19:53 PM »
Club for Growth is supporting either Cruz or Rubio, whoever can win. Carson/Trump do not fit their goals.

Right and I like Rubio, but the purpose of Club for Growth was to advance these principles.  Anyone can give money directly to a candidate.

Who that can get elected is going to have a healthcare plan that is purely free market, after all we've been through?  What will they think of next, letting us keep what we earn?

Enough with the crazy talk, Doug.

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« Reply #145 on: October 23, 2015, 03:07:45 PM »
We have already discussed here that what the Club for Growth calls "anti-capitalist" has been disavowed by Carson as trying to work several years ago within the existing framework and that now he has moved on to HSAs-- which, unless I am missing something, most certainly are a fine example of a market driven mindset.  Thus the CFG accusations are a bit disingenuous.

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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #146 on: October 23, 2015, 03:25:35 PM »
Yeah, but CFG has a ton or money to target Carson...........just like they are prepared to do with Trump.

BTW, Carson has two new ads for Iowa breaking. $500,000 ad buy. 
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Re: Dr. Ben Carson
« Reply #147 on: October 23, 2015, 05:17:43 PM »
Dr. Ben Carson will be on Meet the Press this Sunday.

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« Reply #148 on: October 23, 2015, 06:40:17 PM »
Chris Wallace too?

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Dr. Ben Carson interview today with Chris Wallace
« Reply #149 on: October 25, 2015, 12:36:08 PM »
A lot of questions about Dr. Ben's solutions.  CW interrupted quite a bit but I really liked what Dr. Ben had to say and how he said it.

BTW, he has tabled his previous plan and laid out a new one.  CW tried going "Ah ha!" but Dr. Ben simply said, in essence, "With new information and interaction with smart people with good ideas, I evolve my thinking.  Don't you?"