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WSJ: President Trump and Dad
« Reply #1601 on: October 03, 2018, 01:37:03 PM »
Trump Family Finance
Being Fred Trump’s son was good for business. Being President, not so much.
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By James Freeman
Oct. 3, 2018 3:21 p.m. ET
Donald Trump with his father, Fred Trump, in 1992.
Donald Trump with his father, Fred Trump, in 1992. Photo: Judie Burstein/Zuma Press

Last year MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow revealed tax data suggesting that Donald Trump is not nearly as good as Warren Buffett when it comes to avoiding federal income taxes. But what about Mr. Trump’s late father Fred? The New York Times is out with a story claiming that the Trump family patriarch went way too far to avoid taxes as he transferred significant wealth to his children, especially Donald.

Meanwhile, according to a new analysis in Forbes magazine, the frequently aired media speculation that the Trump family business is benefiting from the Trump presidency has it exactly backwards. Politics appears to be a commercial killer.

No surprise, the New York Times story is the one getting most of the attention today. According to the Times:

    Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

    But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

    Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

Tax lawyers and accountants can now debate the particulars. Regardless, the Times story makes a forceful argument that estate taxes encourage wealthy entrepreneurs to pursue complicated schemes to shield their fortunes. Since the Times piece claims that Fred Trump’s building projects were often supported by government programs, the story also makes a strong case that housing subsidies sold by politicians in the name of keeping housing “affordable” often end up enriching property owners who are hardly in need of assistance. Unfortunately, you won’t find these lessons in a list of Times “Takeaways” from the paper’s inquiry into Trump family finances.

Was the President’s father a crook? The Times notes:

    In a statement on behalf of the Trump family, the president’s brother, Robert Trump, said, “All appropriate gift and estate tax returns were filed, and the required taxes were paid.”

The Times maintains that the Trumps often undervalued assets to reduce taxes owed on them and adds:

    These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

    The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show.

This column should clarify that while it’s definitely a scandal that the founders of any business would be expected to hand over more than half of what they built to the feds, Timesfolk are upset because they believe the Trumps should have been required to surrender more than $52 million.

As the Times acknowledges, much of the story detailing Fred Trump’s success and support of his son’s business career is not news. The Times notes an episode in which Fred Trump found an unusual way of financing his son’s struggling casino operations. The story is recalled in a new book on Donald Trump’s lender Citibank co-authored by your humble correspondent, but this column did not break the story. All the way back in January of 1991, Neil Barsky reported in The Wall Street Journal :

    Donald Trump can add another individual to his long list of creditors: his father, the quiet real estate mogul Fred Trump.

    At least that’s what New Jersey casino regulators are saying. The regulators, who scrutinize what comes in and out of Atlantic City casinos, say it appears that the elder Mr. Trump helped his son make the $18.4 million interest payment on Trump Castle bonds in a rather unconventional manner by buying chips in his casino.

    The regulators confirmed that on Dec. 17, an attorney they identified as Howard Snyder, acting on Fred Trump’s behalf, purchased more than $3 million in chips from the Trump Castle casino. Mr. Snyder did not gamble with the chips and promptly left the casino under police escort, according to regulators...

    One person close to the transaction said it was likely that Fred Trump purchased the chips rather than loan the funds directly to Mr. Trump because he wanted to avoid having to compete with other creditors in the event he wanted the money returned. Now, this individual said, all the elder Mr. Trump has to do is redeem the chips in the casino.

    “It is the ultimate first mortgage,” the individual said.

And Fred Trump was the ultimate dad when it came to helping his son succeed in real estate. As for whether the elder Trump’s tax avoidance crossed the line into evasion, we can’t get his side of the story because he died in June of 1999. This also means that a libel suit can no longer be filed on his behalf.

In any case, the real estate empire created by Fred Trump and now owned by his son does not appear to be mixing well with politics. Forbes magazine reports on leaner times at Trump Tower:

    Nike abandoned its attached flagship store earlier this year, and Ivanka Trump’s accessories business closed up shop as well. What’s left is basically nothing but Gucci, Starbucks and The Donald, wall-to-wall. Trump Bar sits atop Trump Grille, next to Trump Café, the Trump Store and Trump’s Ice Cream. It is unlikely Trump pays himself rent for any of them. “Things are all different now,” [Trump Organization executive Barbara Res] says.

    That difference includes profits. Net operating income dropped 27% between 2014, the year before Trump announced his run for president, and 2017, his first year in the White House. When the real estate mogul descended the escalator to launch his campaign, in this very building, no one could have predicted the chain of events that would lead to this point...

    While the experiment continues to unfold, in real time, the early results are in. Much as he’s trying—and he’s definitely trying—Donald Trump is not getting richer off the presidency. Just the opposite. His net worth, by our calculation, has dropped from $4.5 billion in 2015 to $3.1 billion the last two years, knocking the president 138 spots lower on the Forbes 400.

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Kavanaugh Vote on Tap

Opponents of Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to serve on the Supreme Court have largely moved on from accusations of gang rape to accusations of gang rental of beachfront property.

This follows Judge Kavanaugh’s admission last week that he “fully embraces” beer. While it might seem that professional academics have only unkind words to say about the judge, Columbia business school professor Charles Calomiris thinks that the Kavanaugh beer declaration “puts him in good company.” Writes the professor in an email:

    Jesus’s first miracle was to convert water into wine. Benjamin Franklin wrote in 1779 to André Morellet: “Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy.”

    So, on one side we have the new hypocrisy of Democrat Senators pretending to dislike drinking. On the other side we have Kavanaugh, Franklin, and God. Choosing sides on this one is not very hard.

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NY Tax Dept reviewing allegations
« Reply #1602 on: October 03, 2018, 02:37:39 PM »
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New York Tax Department Reviewing Allegations of Trump Family Transactions
New York Times reported Fred Trump passed assets to his son Donald via complex deals in the 1990s
Framed photographs of President Donald Trump's parents, Fred and Mary Trump, are displayed on a table in the Oval Office.
Framed photographs of President Donald Trump's parents, Fred and Mary Trump, are displayed on a table in the Oval Office. Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
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By Jimmy Vielkind
Updated Oct. 3, 2018 10:26 a.m. ET

The New York State Department of Taxation and Finance said Tuesday that it is reviewing allegations made in a New York Times report that President Trump’s father transferred money to him and his siblings through complex tax arrangements.

The Times reported on Tuesday that during the 1990s, Fred Trump and Donald Trump engaged in a series of transactions to pass income and real-estate assets from father to son while limiting tax liability. Citing confidential tax records it reviewed, the Times reported that over his lifetime, Mr. Trump received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father, a New York City landlord who built a real- estate empire from scratch.

James Gazzale, a spokesman for the state’s Department of Taxation and Finance, said the allegations in the Times article are under review and his agency is “vigorously pursuing all appropriate avenues of investigation.”

Charles Harder, an attorney for Mr. Trump, didn’t immediately return a call and email seeking comment on the tax department’s review. In a statement to the Times, Mr. Harder said there was “no fraud or tax evasion” involving Fred Trump.

“Fred Trump has been gone for nearly twenty years and it’s sad to witness this misleading attack against the Trump family,” White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement Tuesday evening. “Many decades ago the IRS reviewed and signed off on these transactions.”

The Department of Taxation and Finance is a state-level version of the Internal Revenue Service. It is responsible for collecting and processing sales, business and personal income tax returns in New York. While the department is a state agency, the audit and investigative functions aren’t directed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s administration, a spokesman for the governor said.

Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, previously confirmed that the department had opened an inquiry into whether Mr. Trump’s now-defunct charity, The Donald J. Trump Foundation, committed tax fraud. That inquiry is ongoing; Mr. Gazzale has declined to comment on its progress.

Attorney General Barbara Underwoodhas sued Mr. Trump over the foundation, accusing it of self-dealing and illegal political coordination between the foundation and Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign. Lawyers for Mr. Trump have moved to dismiss the suit, and say it is politically motivated.

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Re: NY Tax Dept reviewing allegations
« Reply #1603 on: October 03, 2018, 04:05:54 PM »
Old and busted: RAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAApe!

New, exciting and extra shiny" TAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAaaaaxes!



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New York Tax Department Reviewing Allegations of Trump Family Transactions
New York Times reported Fred Trump passed assets to his son Donald via complex deals in the 1990s
Framed photographs of President Donald Trump's parents, Fred and Mary Trump, are displayed on a table in the Oval Office.
Framed photographs of President Donald Trump's parents, Fred and Mary Trump, are displayed on a table in the Oval Office. Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
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By Jimmy Vielkind
Updated Oct. 3, 2018 10:26 a.m. ET

The New York State Department of Taxation and Finance said Tuesday that it is reviewing allegations made in a New York Times report that President Trump’s father transferred money to him and his siblings through complex tax arrangements.

The Times reported on Tuesday that during the 1990s, Fred Trump and Donald Trump engaged in a series of transactions to pass income and real-estate assets from father to son while limiting tax liability. Citing confidential tax records it reviewed, the Times reported that over his lifetime, Mr. Trump received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father, a New York City landlord who built a real- estate empire from scratch.

James Gazzale, a spokesman for the state’s Department of Taxation and Finance, said the allegations in the Times article are under review and his agency is “vigorously pursuing all appropriate avenues of investigation.”

Charles Harder, an attorney for Mr. Trump, didn’t immediately return a call and email seeking comment on the tax department’s review. In a statement to the Times, Mr. Harder said there was “no fraud or tax evasion” involving Fred Trump.

“Fred Trump has been gone for nearly twenty years and it’s sad to witness this misleading attack against the Trump family,” White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement Tuesday evening. “Many decades ago the IRS reviewed and signed off on these transactions.”

The Department of Taxation and Finance is a state-level version of the Internal Revenue Service. It is responsible for collecting and processing sales, business and personal income tax returns in New York. While the department is a state agency, the audit and investigative functions aren’t directed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s administration, a spokesman for the governor said.

Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, previously confirmed that the department had opened an inquiry into whether Mr. Trump’s now-defunct charity, The Donald J. Trump Foundation, committed tax fraud. That inquiry is ongoing; Mr. Gazzale has declined to comment on its progress.

Attorney General Barbara Underwoodhas sued Mr. Trump over the foundation, accusing it of self-dealing and illegal political coordination between the foundation and Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign. Lawyers for Mr. Trump have moved to dismiss the suit, and say it is politically motivated.

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Re: President Trump, 50% approval, Rasmussen
« Reply #1604 on: October 04, 2018, 07:55:04 AM »
Trump, right side up. Didn't he win the election at 38% approval?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_oct04

New, Free Trade Agreement, great Supreme Court picks, roaring economy. You don't have to like him to approve any more.

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minority poll results
« Reply #1605 on: October 05, 2018, 07:47:14 AM »
Getrude Stein who wrote the famous line " a rose is a rose is a rose"

the same cannot always be said of a poll is a poll is a poll
In other words a poll may or  may not be the truth and is nothing but a poll

OTOH this sure makes me feel good:

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/kanyes-not-alone-blacks-are-deserting-the-dems/


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Re: President Trump goes full Alinsky
« Reply #1607 on: October 09, 2018, 07:47:34 AM »
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/10/trump_goes_full_alinsky_in_the_midterm_race.html#ixzz5TMviqa4W&f

Great news and great strategy, he needs to call this out.

Secondly, he needs to challenge the other side to be better, to stand up for American ideals even if they disagree with him on details of policy. Ideals such as that the constitution is a set of principles and doesn't favor one side or the other.

Trump is good at mixing messages. He needs to both call out what is wrong in his opponents and also speak to the country as a whole. For example, we need to pull together right now as a nation on the China trade issue. The president of the United States is the only person who can do that.

He should watch a few Reagan videos. Reagan called out his opponents but didn't generally try to explain what he or what Republicans were trying to do, he was explaining the challenges that America faces and what America is trying to do.

Starting with this, Reagan's first inaugural.
https://youtu.be/hpPt7xGx4Xo

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Re: President Trump approval 51% Rasmussen today
« Reply #1609 on: November 02, 2018, 08:39:38 AM »
51-47
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_nov02

If there is some big Republican surprise on Tuesday, this was an indicator.

By the way, Trump gave a great speech yesterday on immigration and the Caravan. He sounded very presidential, a pretty big breakthrough for him.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1610 on: November 02, 2018, 08:49:36 AM »
 51% Rasmussen today

Rasmussen for some reason seems to find him polling higher then the other polls

That said this is quite an achievement being up the Dem propaganda machine . 

Can anyone imagine what it would be if he got evern 50 /50 good /bad reviews as opposed to 95/5 bad / good?

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Re: President Trump, Rasmussen, Zogby
« Reply #1611 on: November 04, 2018, 12:28:13 PM »
" 51% Rasmussen today
Rasmussen for some reason seems to find him polling higher then the other polls"
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One reason is they poll likely voters instead of registered voters.  Each firm has their own view of how to balance poll samples and predict who votes.  Rasmussen was accurate poll in 2016.  Others are more accurate in Democratic wave years.  Which kind of year is this, I guess nobody knows two days away.

Other polls tighten up close to elections because that is where they measure accuracy, errors and fake news.  ABC and NBC just raised Trump approval to 44, 46%. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/  
George Bush had 30% approval when he lost the House and Senate.  
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx

Zogby has Trump at 46-51 and very strong on issues.  (Is Trump on the ballot?)

A majority of voters think the economy will be good for the next four years.

[Nobody is talking about the great economy because the people we hear talking are the 93% negative MSM.]

Hispanic support for Trump surged from 31% to 42%.  THAT is a BFD.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-approval-rebounds-to-45-surges-among-hispanics-union-homes-men

Black American Approval - 40% Rasnmuissen.  https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1056946262690299904/photo/1

In suburbs [where Republicans are supposed to lose the House] likely voters agree with Trump sending troops to the border:  56/44.  That could be the game changer.  Crazy like a fox, he won the argument over the economy and quickly shifted back to a more emotional, security issue.  They hear the media rip his border security while thinking wait, I support that.   Immigration and border security is a concern for suburban women, who knew?

Will there be surprises Tuesday?  Yes.  So many important races House and Senate are still considered tossup or within the margin of error.  Which way will they go?  Nobody knows.  I like the way the facts are lining up for the Republicans.  I hate the messaging.  Someday maybe we can have a leader on our side who can make a coherent economic argument.  Trump at least does that at the gut level.
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Re: President Trump, What can he accomplish with a divided congress?
« Reply #1612 on: November 08, 2018, 06:19:41 AM »
1.  Most obvious coming accomplishments will be judicial appointments.  District and Appeals Courts plus potentially this:
https://www.smobserved.com/story/2018/09/27/politics/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-will-retire-from-the-us-supreme-court-in-january-2019/3658.html

Update, Now this:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/ruth-bader-ginsburg-hospitalized-after-fall-supreme-court-office/1928409002/

2.  China.  Both sides need an agreement that settles the disputes.  Look for a big breakthrough soon.

3.  North Korea.  If nothing further happens, Trump won, no more threats or nuclear or missile tests.  If NK wants sanctions relief, Trump wins denuclearization.  If NK goes rogue, Trump likely wins handly an international crisis.

4.  The economy:  Trump likely continues to win.  The cuts made were growth oriented and mostly lasting.

5.  Taxes:  Pelosi and co. need blue state S.A.L.T. tax relief, that means a minor deal could be cut.

6.  Regulations:  Trump continues to win because his predecessor governed through executive orders that are easily undone.

7.  Budget / Spending:  Trump is a better negotiator than Republican predecessors.  Knows how to use the podium stage and go around the media.  He needs to pin deficits on spending and Democrats, if people care about that.

8.  Healthcare:  This is the big unknown.  Dems are committed to single payer which is unachievable without control of all branches and chambers.  Republicans need to keep moving forward with expanded private sector choices even if they are blocked in the new Dem House.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1613 on: November 08, 2018, 06:22:40 AM »
Good analysis.


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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1615 on: November 12, 2018, 04:56:52 PM »
Libs are suddenly such worshipers of out military
You mean the same 1960' s crew that used to spit on our soldiers?

Trump who is always talking up our military and talking about staying away from war is now a disgrace on Veterans Day .  What crop.

He did go to a cemetery to commemorate the 100 th anniversary of armistice 1918.
Just not the one the globalists went to . 

Just another round of lib bashing trying to manipulate the propaganda story to pretend they own the veteran high ground

The journalister nonsense about Trump's brand of nationalism had anything to do with the carnage of th 20th century is false.  The New Yorker is same as NYT .

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1616 on: November 12, 2018, 09:12:29 PM »
Macron struggles with defining words like “teacher” and “abuser” and “wife”, so I won’t be looking for him to define other concepts.
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1617 on: November 12, 2018, 09:53:49 PM »
I thought it pretty fg spectacular forn:

a) Marcron to call "nationalism the opposite of patriotism", particularly with Trump right there on the 100th Anniversary of a day enabled by American force of arms;
b) Marcron to call for a Euro Army (fine by me) for the purpose of defending Europe from the Chinese, Russians, , , or Americans
c) the Euros to undercut and back stab our re-imposition of sanctions..

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1618 on: November 13, 2018, 01:05:57 AM »
I thought it pretty fg spectacular forn:

a) Marcron to call "nationalism the opposite of patriotism", particularly with Trump right there on the 100th Anniversary of a day enabled by American force of arms;
b) Marcron to call for a Euro Army (fine by me) for the purpose of defending Europe from the Chinese, Russians, , , or Americans
c) the Euros to undercut and back stab our re-imposition of sanctions..

Long past time to get out of europe.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1619 on: November 13, 2018, 07:05:51 AM »
I thought it pretty fg spectacular forn:

a) Marcron to call "nationalism the opposite of patriotism", particularly with Trump right there on the 100th Anniversary of a day enabled by American force of arms;
b) Marcron to call for a Euro Army (fine by me) for the purpose of defending Europe from the Chinese, Russians, , , or Americans
c) the Euros to undercut and back stab our re-imposition of sanctions..

Walter Russell Mead on this topic
https://www.wsj.com/articles/macrons-faux-pas-on-nationalism-1542066344

Trump Fights Back.
“The problem is that Emmanuel suffers from a very low Approval Rating in France, 26%, and an unemployment rate of almost 10%. He was just trying to get onto another subject."

" make France great again"

The meaning of Trump's nationalism is intentionally Lost in Macron's Translation. He is actually reversing his predecessors authoritarian rule. Hitler analogies fail 4 people who didn't murder 6 million Jews. Americans bailed out France over and over, in our own nationalist interest, and left them to be free.

A simple thank you might have been more fitting even if it wasn't Trump who saved them.

If I were Macron and hated Trump I think I would ignore him instead of picking a meaningless, unwinnable fight.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1620 on: November 13, 2018, 02:08:26 PM »
Headlines the left imagines: French criticism of Trump ends 2020 re-election prospects!


I thought it pretty fg spectacular forn:

a) Marcron to call "nationalism the opposite of patriotism", particularly with Trump right there on the 100th Anniversary of a day enabled by American force of arms;
b) Marcron to call for a Euro Army (fine by me) for the purpose of defending Europe from the Chinese, Russians, , , or Americans
c) the Euros to undercut and back stab our re-imposition of sanctions..

Walter Russell Mead on this topic
https://www.wsj.com/articles/macrons-faux-pas-on-nationalism-1542066344

Trump Fights Back.
“The problem is that Emmanuel suffers from a very low Approval Rating in France, 26%, and an unemployment rate of almost 10%. He was just trying to get onto another subject."

" make France great again"

The meaning of Trump's nationalism is intentionally Lost in Macron's Translation. He is actually reversing his predecessors authoritarian rule. Hitler analogies fail 4 people who didn't murder 6 million Jews. Americans bailed out France over and over, in our own nationalist interest, and left them to be free.

A simple thank you might have been more fitting even if it wasn't Trump who saved them.

If I were Macron and hated Trump I think I would ignore him instead of picking a meaningless, unwinnable fight.

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promise not kept ???
« Reply #1621 on: November 16, 2018, 04:43:26 AM »
I don't know whether to be for or against the crime bill as I read so many opposing contradictory views on it , but this does clearly seem to be the opposite of what he campaigned on:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/15/after-suggesting-2018-election-about-law-and-order-trump-touts-weaker-penalties-for-drug-traffickers/

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Re: promise not kept ???
« Reply #1622 on: November 16, 2018, 06:15:21 AM »
I don't know whether to be for or against the crime bill as I read so many opposing contradictory views on it , but this does clearly seem to be the opposite of what he campaigned on:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/15/after-suggesting-2018-election-about-law-and-order-trump-touts-weaker-penalties-for-drug-traffickers/

Like poverty programs, criminal law and penalties for crimes should be open for re-examination, but being weak on crime is generally a bad thing.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1623 on: November 16, 2018, 08:35:56 AM »
FWIW, make take on it at the moment:

1) Bretibart, apart from Caroline Glick, remains a dubious source and I ask that it be cited with care around here;  the article here speaks only of drug dealers-- what else is in the bill?  And what kind of drug dealers are they?

2) IMHO US mandatory sentencing laws often create grave injustice.   Just this morning there was a piece on the news about sexual assaults on air planes on the rise that mentioned that the sentence could be as much as ten years.  In that an assault on a plane is usually a matter of an offensive groping, what sense does it make to have ten years on the table?  This is deranged.  This enables bullying in negotiations where the accused genuinely feels wrongly accused, but is looking at ten years if he does not take the deal and loses.

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Andrew McCarthy
« Reply #1624 on: November 18, 2018, 01:02:27 PM »
believes Trump played into the hands of the LEFt on crime bill.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/first-step-act-trump-embraces-left-wing-racism-rhetoric/

Only Time will tell if crime goes back up.

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President Trump vs. Admiral McRaven
« Reply #1625 on: November 21, 2018, 05:47:21 AM »
How wrong!  How utterly stupid!  How utterly immature!

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yup - outrageous and utterly disgusting and dishonorable to office ofthe POTUS
« Reply #1626 on: November 21, 2018, 06:32:22 AM »
" How wrong!  How utterly stupid!  How utterly immature!"

yup
and this why he will likely lose in '20.
he just can't and won't even try as far as i can tell to control himself

this HAS to cause damage to the morale of those who serve! 
The older brother of Katherine's cousin that died who is a colonel in the air force now regrets he ever served because he told her no one really "appreciates" his sacrifice (and of course he feels guilty for inspiring his now deceased brother to join)

Trump is playing right into this.
Just NO excuse
he is going to lose in '20 if the Dems come up with an honorable qualified candidate.
However I don't see any at this time. 
Certainly ain't Kamala or Hillary or Joe or Cory etc.....

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Re: President Trump vs. Admiral McRaven
« Reply #1628 on: November 21, 2018, 09:18:11 AM »
How wrong!  How utterly stupid!  How utterly immature!

Video:  https://video.foxnews.com/v/5968742441001

He could have easily argued against the substance of the point McRaven made instead of against the person. 

McRaven:  "Trump's attacks on the media were 'greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime."  Oh Good God.  Want me to name a few, how about the Soviet threat the first 34 years of your life?

It's okay to me to expose a retired military officer, Navy Seal,  as the political player he is now, but you do that by also honoring at least acknowledging all the good he did first.

We should have gotten bin Laden sooner? True, but not a really point against McRaven. 

The points he made against Pakistan were largely true, but weird in the way he blended them in.  Also his opposition to the Iraq war, irrelevant to that argument.

Trump's weakness (and maybe his strength?) is in these against-the-person attacks.  Then his opponents respond attacking against the person Trump instead of intelligently debating his policies one by one.  It is a very low level of politics being played on all sides.  At least in some ways, he is just the person to do it.

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« Reply #1629 on: November 21, 2018, 09:56:45 AM »
I conclude calling people names like one might have done in grammar school is not a "strength" of the POTUS.

He belittles himself and the rest of us.
His poll numbers have never crossed 50 % and I believe this is exactly why.

"  He could have easily argued against the substance of the point McRaven made instead of against the person. "

I agree totally and would add that
McRaven might well NOT have made the disparaging remarks of Trump to begin with if  , indeed , the "Donald" was not such a foul mouth got to get the last work in kind of guy.

Trump is simply NOT winning anyone over beyond whatever wants to call his base.  I for support him 100 % but am disgusted and beyond fatigued about his pissing away in the wind any good things he does by shooting off his mouth  and alienating people who WILL come back to bring him down.  Just foolish and not smart political gamesmanship.

Just my one opinion out of 7 billion on the planet .

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1630 on: November 21, 2018, 02:33:51 PM »
OTOH I do agree with Trump that we certainly have "Obama" judges .   :|

we've been following this for years on this board
If he can just keep it "civil" though and not get in it too much with the Chief Justice who seems to not note the politically obvious though in his position can he really do that?




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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1631 on: November 21, 2018, 03:00:52 PM »
Worth remembering is that as best as we can tell Roberts changed his vote to save Obamacare for political reasons, yes?

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« Reply #1632 on: November 21, 2018, 03:40:14 PM »
" Worth remembering is that as best as we can tell Roberts changed his vote to save Obamacare for political reasons, yes?"

I think the theory is he decided to  support Obamacare to keep the Court from *appearing* political.

Yet one could argue as I think you are suggesting that that decision to support Obamacare by itself is in was by itself a political and thus not a legal interpretation of the Constitution.


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« Reply #1633 on: November 21, 2018, 05:32:36 PM »
Exactly so.

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President Trump interview with Chris Wallace
« Reply #1634 on: November 21, 2018, 06:30:13 PM »

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STeve Deace agrees with my conclusion
« Reply #1635 on: November 22, 2018, 05:29:10 AM »
Trump in '20 depends on who crats nominate . 

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/i-can-tell-you-right-now-what-will-happen-in-2020/

So there is al least one person of the 7 billion on the planet who sees it the same as me for '20.
Trump just screws himself every time he insults high placed people. 

from my post on Nov 21 :

"Trump is simply NOT winning anyone over beyond whatever wants to call his base.  I for support him 100 % but am disgusted and beyond fatigued about his pissing away in the wind any good things he does by shooting off his mouth  and alienating people who WILL come back to bring him down.  Just foolish and not smart political gamesmanship.

Just my one opinion out of 7 billion on the planet  "




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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1638 on: November 25, 2018, 10:39:15 AM »
Yes Andrew's article is good.  I am glad he disagrees with Chris Wallace who seems to ignore the truth by claiming we (news people ) are all one ! 
(But at the same time then states Wallace is objective!!   Well if that not a contradictory conclusion against the OBVIOUS.  )

(Wallace's claims are akn to Justice Roberts' coming out and stating there are no 'politically' biased  OBAMA Clinton Trump judges. )

Nice to see some at least at NR FINALLY speaking truth about what we are up against .  Seems to me that the Kavanaugh circus FINALLY opened their eyes -  seems to have opened some legislators - to a good extent Lindsey Graham too for example.

With respect for the NR they try to be objective reasonable and open to all sides of the argument.  They finally seem to get they and us are against the LEFT which is not objective , reasonable or objective or interested anything then gaining total power over the world with their progressive views


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VDH on Trump messaging
« Reply #1639 on: November 29, 2018, 05:23:18 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/trump-policy-success-political-success/

How many times have so many of us prayed he would heed this kind of advice only to be disappointed over and over again.
Zero evidence he will change  - none.

No one else on horizon to replace him though.

 I feel like we are the defenders of the Alamo just before the walls are breached for good............
This may well be the real Montezuma's revenge................


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WSJ: President Trump Volatility Risks
« Reply #1640 on: December 21, 2018, 09:28:22 AM »


The Trump Volatility Risks
The President indulges his worst impulses and loses a defense chief.
608 Comments
By The Editorial Board
Dec. 20, 2018 7:58 p.m. ET

It is well known that President Trump invests fervent belief in the stock market as a performance measure. When it’s rising, as it often has during his Presidency, he says that his policies are responsible. But what about a week like this with markets in decline, including a steep two-day drop in the Dow Jones average? No logic exists that will allow Mr. Trump to take responsibility only for sunny days.

The President is right to believe in market signals. More than any individual can do, markets absorb material events occurring in the world and make financial bets on the future. This week they have had to absorb three major events: The Federal Reserve’s decision to raise interest rates after public pressure from the President not to do so; Mr. Trump’s abrupt and unilateral decision to pull U.S. troops out of Syria; and Mr. Trump’s 11th-hour threat Thursday not to sign a budget bill that would prevent a Friday night government shutdown.


Mr. Trump entered the Presidency as a disrupter of the status quo, for which he has many fans. We include ourselves among those who believe the political status quo—here and abroad—was overdue for challenge. He has provided that with a sharp cut in the U.S. corporate tax rate, economy-wide deregulation and U.S. withdrawal from the Obama Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate accord.

The execution of those decisions, however, is a far cry from what is happening now. Mr. Trump crossed over this week from considered disruption into a degree of political volatility that has the potential to raise the political risks for himself and U.S. interests.

Fed Chairman Jerome Powell was at pains during his press conference to make the economic case for raising rates now, but the overhang from Mr. Trump’s threats against Mr. Powell and the Fed were impossible to dismiss. And then as if markets and the world didn’t have enough to absorb from the Fed’s decision, Mr. Trump made his Syria pullout call the same day.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump tweeted that “Getting out of Syria was no surprise” because he campaigned on it. But the abruptness of the announcement did catch his own advisers and the world by surprise. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Joseph Dunford, is widely reported to have not been consulted.

Withdrawing those 2,000 American troops from the Middle East is a significant act for which allies in the region and elsewhere needed a decent interval to prepare. Mr. Trump gave them none. The decision, which emerged after Mr. Trump’s phone call with Turkish dictator Recep Tayyip Erdogan, did earn public praise from one big beneficiary—Russia’s Vladimir Putin.

Then on Thursday Mr. Trump tweeted that Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, one of his strongest appointees, “will be retiring” in February. This landed shortly after the Journal reported that Mr. Trump may withdraw most U.S. troops from Afghanistan within weeks. Mr. Mattis’s resignation letter makes clear he is leaving because he disagrees with Mr. Trump’s treatment of allies and his impulsive decision making.

Meanwhile, the Thursday threat to shut down the government over funding for the wall comes amid no strategy for prevailing in this fight. Most Senators have left town after voting to fund the government until February. Any new spending patch needs 60 Senate votes, meaning Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer’s blessing for what surely would be a bottom-dollar fig leaf of wall funding.

Mr. Trump should take this week’s big market selloff seriously as a useful warning. The successful disruptions of the President’s first year emerged from planned strategies executed by allies in the government and Congress. His erratic actions this week are different. Heading into 2019 and divided government, Mr. Trump is acting less like a confident disturber of the status quo and more like a raging bull.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1641 on: December 21, 2018, 09:43:50 AM »
Hard to comment on news that is still so fluid.  

Syria: To Trump, this is a promise kept.  To us, it is reason why no one here except pp supported him until no one but Hillary was running.  Trump's view is NOT the same as the people who support this decision like Rand Paul.  Trump still believes in Peace through Strength and a military buildup.  It is VERY possible he will revisit and revise this flawed decision.  I think we had 2000 troops and 4 deaths.  Hard to say aloud that is a very small number in war.  Perhaps it was done to gain favor with Turkey on a particular cause that could get resolved.  Doubtful it was done to (intentionally) appease Russia or Iran, or ISIS, the other main beneficiaries.

In Trump's world, the main controversial decision might have been withdrawal from Afghanistan.  Maybe the controversy over withdrawal from Syria was made or timed to slide that announcement through.

In the cases of both Syria and Afghan, he better damn well have a plan.  Maybe Mattis was unkeepable and certainly he will find another great Defense Secretary, but we were stronger with Mattis than without.

Abandon the Kurds...  Are you kidding?  Now they may need to ally with Assad...  Why don't we set up a military base in Kurdistan.  How about an embassy too if he is so bold.

On the good side of Trump's unpredictable behavior is the confusion it causes for his rival adversaries like Kim Jung Un, Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin and Nancy Pelosi.  The man is not afraid to go against his advisers - or his nation's best interest.  Don't get overconfident negotiating with him, Un, Xi, Vlad or Nan.

Wall / Steel slats / Shutdown?  Trump on a video he made sure everyone saw:  "I have the votes in the House."
Nancy Pelosi:  "No you don't."  Chuck Schumer:  "No you don't."  Nancy and Chuck tgether:  "No you don't."
The vote was called and the wall funding won, receiving 217 votes.
Suddenly the Trump shutdown that was so easily named is now the Schumer shutdown and no one else.  If Trump and the wall can now get 50-51 votes in the Senate and they do not invoke the nuclear option which McConnell has said they will not, then the President, House and Senate have all agreed to the terms but will shut down anyway due to the Schumer cloture vote filibuster.  All over a piddly to them US$5 billion and the admitted obsession with continued borders open to drugs, arms, terrorists, gangs, dehydrated children and a new supply of welfare recipients Democratic voters.

Is Heidi Heitkamp going to vote against it, shut down the government?  Joe Donelly, Joe Manchin, Claire McCaskill, Doug Jones, Testor, Bill Nelson?  All Dems are going to put party loyalty above secure borders and a functioning government?  Why?  Committee assignments for outgoing Senators??  How about the ones who tell us they reach across the aisle, Klobuchar, Koons, Bennet, Coons, Angus King, independent??   How about New Hampshire and New Mexico with their opioid epidemics, still nobody care about free flow at the southern border?

If Trump has learned anything from the Democrats on immigration it is don't win, keep the issue alive.

That is a very bad start for Schumer-Pelosi and the gang as the new session and the new campaign season starts up.  Elect us for dysfunctional government.  Check out the market since Dems were projected to take the House and completed their self declared wave.  Somebody got it right. 
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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1642 on: December 21, 2018, 02:37:49 PM »
"Is Heidi Heitkamp going to vote against it, shut down the government?  Joe Donelly, Joe Manchin, Claire McCaskill, Doug Jones, Testor, Bill Nelson?"

what about Flake and
Collins   Murkowski and a few others?


Listened to Rush on way to and back from bringing my 18 yo J Russell to the vet
He has it right .  IF the Republicans can just stick together on this and support Trump we can achieve something.

Some on National Review may disagree but some don't get it in mho.  VDH sure does .
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says more about the father then the Trump
« Reply #1643 on: December 26, 2018, 09:01:33 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/daughters-late-podiatrist-claim-diagnosed-donald-trump-bone-spurs-vietnam-war-favor-134618527.html

DAughters Jewish New Yorkers mostly likely Democrats

As for me this makes their father look a sell out lying doctor

I remember most people were trying to finds ways to avoid the draft.  I don't know of doctors who would lie and make up medical reasons for someone to get favors in his apartment .
No different the a doctor who prescribes opoids for cash

while making up visits etc.

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Jonah Goldberg: Character is Destiny, hence Trump is fuct
« Reply #1644 on: December 27, 2018, 10:22:17 PM »
Jonah has been a consistent anti-Trumper; his comments here are not without bite:


Trump's character will be his downfall.

For a very long time now, I have been predicting that the Trump presidency will end poorly because character is destiny. I’ve said it so often, I occasionally need to be reminded that I didn’t coin the phrase. The Greek philosopher Heraclitus did when he observed “ethos anthropoi daimon,” most often translated as “man’s character is his fate.”

Character is one of those topics, like culture or morality, that everyone strongly supports yet also argues about. When James Q. Wilson, one of the greatest social scientists of the last half-century, turned his scholarly attention to character, many of his colleagues in academia were repulsed. Even though every one of them surely believed in some notion of good character, it was assumed that to talk of it, let alone seek a definition of it or a plan for how to cultivate it, would be an exercise in lending aid and comfort to the moralizers of the Right.

But Wilson, a man of both good and conservative character, had a more humble and universal definition than his colleagues might have expected: decency, politeness, self-restraint, commitment, honesty, cooperativeness, and the ability to think of others’ well-being.

Weirdly, it’s gotten to the point that when I say President Trump is not a man of good character, I feel like I should preface it with a trigger warning for many of my fellow conservatives.

Most of the angry responses are clearly rooted in the fact that they do not wish to be reminded of this obvious truth. But others seem to have convinced themselves that Trump is a man of good character, and they take personal offense at the insult, even though I usually offer it as little more than an observation. They rush to rebut the claim, citing banal or debatable propositions: He loves his children! He’s loyal to a fault! He’s authentic! Never mind that many bad men love their children, that loyalty to people or causes unworthy of loyalty is not admirable, and that authentic caddishness is not admirable. Moreover, he is not remotely loyal to his wives or the people who work for him.

NOW WATCH: 'Government Shutdown Reaches Day 5'

What’s most worrisome is that these defenders are redefining good character in Trump’s image, and they end up modeling it.

Others assume that I am referencing the president’s style, specifically his insults and Twitter addiction. What his defenders overlook is that his insults are not simply an act; they are the product of astonishing levels of narcissism, insecurity, and intellectual incuriosity. Trump’s Twitter account is simply a window into his id.

The president who became a celebrity by telling reality-show contestants “you’re fired” has not fired any of his cabinet officials face to face or even on the phone. He relies on others, or on Twitter, to deliver the news. He loves controversy because it keeps him in the center ring, but he hates confrontation.

Nearly all of the controversies that have bedeviled Trump’s administration are the direct result of his character, not his ideology. To be sure, ideology plays a role, amplifying both the intensity of anger from his left-wing critics and the intensity of his transactional defenders. Many of the liberal critics shrieking about the betrayal of the Kurds implicit in Trump’s decision to withdraw from Syria would be applauding if a President Clinton had made the same decision. And many of the conservatives celebrating the move would be condemning it.

But Trump’s refusal to listen to advisers, his inability to bite his tongue, his demonization and belittling of senators who vote for his agenda but refuse to keep quiet when he does or says things they disagree with, his rants against the First Amendment, his praise for dictators and insults for allies, his need to create new controversies to eclipse old ones, and his inexhaustible capacity to lie and fabricate history: All of this springs from his character.

Last weekend, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie offered an odd defense of the president. He’s like a “72-year-old relative,” Christie said on ABC’s This Week. “When people get older, they become more and more convinced of the fact that what they’re doing is the right thing.”
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Christie has a point. But the reason Trump won’t change has little to do with age and everything to do with character.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1645 on: December 28, 2018, 05:17:40 AM »
"his rants against the First Amendment"

When and where was this said by Trump?

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« Reply #1646 on: December 28, 2018, 05:51:30 AM »
I confess I don't remember the specifics, but there have been some things that were seriously stupid and over the line.

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« Reply #1647 on: December 28, 2018, 10:10:15 AM »
I confess I don't remember the specifics, but there have been some things that were seriously stupid and over the line.

Yes but he has clarified many times that his derogatory comments are aimed only against fake news, not against free press.  Exercising his speech and tweet back rights against his attackers is powerful, de facto, 1st amendment advocacy, missed by his critics.

Google steers and shuts off pathways to news.  Facebook screws with the receiving of news.  Twitter shuts off the expression of dissenting voices.  Trump has proposed and done none of that.  Words aimed at him on that score are off the mark, IMHO.

His predecessor literally shut off the delivery of dissenting political speech with the IRS attack on opposition.  And we fret over a few careless words uttered by Trump.

To point out the obvious, he has every right to call out false and misleading coverage for what it is or what he thinks it is.  [It was different when Obama continually ripped Fox News?] Their reaction to being called the equivalent of partisan hacks should be to make certain they are neutral instead of doubling down on opposition warfare as they do.

Trump has said specific things that are wrong or in bad taste. Trump's critics commit the same sin they see in him, ad hominem attacks.

He has bad character, great. Now what?  You're better than him Jonah, or John Kasich is? So what? You can't get elected, he did.

The last two presidents of the other party gave us 16 years of character know better than Trump's, just better press coverage. Narcissistic? Yes, that's who wins elections for Leader of the Free World generally.

He didn't cuddle any dictators, that's BS. He didn't spit in Putin's face for the cameras, that was a strategy, not affirmation.

He kept perhaps 200 campaign promises. Not mentioned in an article concluding lack of character. 

Would it be great for conservatives to get all of the good from Trump and none of the bad? Yes, but not exactly an original idea for a column. This one will get more mileage building up the narcissism of the author: conservative boldly declares Trump has no character. Good for you Jonah. Divide the movement so the left can win. Maybe like George Will, you can call on everyone to vote for Nancy Pelosi as the only way forward. Just tell me one thing, how does your column advance conservatism?
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Michael Yon on Gen. McChrystal on Trump
« Reply #1648 on: December 31, 2018, 08:50:04 AM »
McChrystal: Former Commander famous for dishonesty, and fired by Obama as a direct result of incompetency, calls Trump dishonest and immoral

Remember Pat Tillman. A true hero whose name is now fused with scandal created under Stanley McChrystal.

McChrystal who publicly sucked up to Obama then was fired by Obama. McChrystal who sucked up to Clinton and returned to American to tell millions about the evils of the .223.

The same McChrystal who tried to control and censor press in Afghanistan during his tour of incompetency. Taliban loved McChrystal.

Happy New Year, Stan -- it's almost 2019. Been almost 9 years since you and Sholtis and Mike Flynn and the gang had your Paris party.

How is that press control going now?

You'll always have Paris.

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Re: President Trump
« Reply #1649 on: January 02, 2019, 02:55:13 PM »