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Trade Issues:
« Reply #200 on: June 08, 2018, 08:07:47 AM »
Trump tweet last night:  "Why isn’t the European Union and Canada informing the public that for years they have used massive Trade Tariffs and non-monetary Trade Barriers against the U.S. Totally unfair to our farmers, workers & companies. Take down your tariffs & barriers or we will more than match you!"


If he wants to win at least the public opinion on what he is doing and why, he should be much more specific on this.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues:
« Reply #201 on: June 12, 2018, 12:00:38 PM »
He's been rather busy the last few days with the Norks , , ,

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From now on, Angela Merkel should only be known as
« Reply #202 on: June 12, 2018, 07:55:32 PM »


"German Hillary"

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He's been rather busy the last few days with the Norks , , ,

Absolutely.  These issues made it to the forefront on his way to Singapore and then he had to leave.  After he takes a breath, and the other leaders return home and back to work, something needs to happen SOON regarding the trade war with our allies. 

It seems to me the ball is in their court.  Europe has unfair barriers to US products.  Trump levied some tariffs on our side.  They (Europe plus Canada) levied retaliatory tariffs.  Then Trump said, why don't we end all tariffs and trade barriers?  Why don't we!

Trump said he discussed the idea of eliminating tariffs with his G7 counterparts.
"I did suggest it ... I guess they are going to go back to the drawing board and check it out," Trump said.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/09/politics/trump-g7-tariffs-trade/index.html

Paraphrasing pro-trade Trump adviser Kudlow before his heart attack, imagine the economic growth possible after these countries remove their trade barriers to US products.  Trump tariffs are a tactic to END the trade war, not a permanent, protectionist policy.  I hope they are right and this works. 
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US Canada thread posted a moment ago:  "Canada is highly dependent on its relationship with the United States, especially in economic terms. Last year, 76 percent of Canadian exports went to the United States."

We have a little bit of leverage, understatement, especially with Trump's willingness to say and do anything probably including closing the border until he gets his way and all he is asking for is a fair and reciprocal relationship.  The only place where trade barriers and tariffs are perfectly equal is at zero.  Stop the protectionism.  End the tariffs.  Let's gets past the charade that Canadian tariffs are a national security threat.  Trudeau needs to save face somehow but this needs to be solved before July 1.  The ball is in Canada's court, and Europe's court, is it not?  [The Chinese issue is far more complicated.]
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Famous people reading the forum? I saw that Bill McGurn of the WSJ Editorial Board (Potomac Watch Podcast) picked up on my idea that we should negotiate a true and pure free trade agreement with Brexit Britain and then offer that deal to all.
http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2563.msg109769#msg109769


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WSJ: Trump's China Impulses
« Reply #204 on: June 17, 2018, 03:57:23 AM »
Trump’s China Impulses
ZTE gets a pass but U.S. consumers will pay for new tariffs.
A sign of ZTE Corp is pictured at its service centre in Hangzhou, Zhejiang province, China.
A sign of ZTE Corp is pictured at its service centre in Hangzhou, Zhejiang province, China. Photo: Stringer/Reuters
By The Editorial Board
June 15, 2018 7:04 p.m. ET
267 COMMENTS

‘Trade wars are good, and easy to win,” Donald Trump tweeted in March, and he likes them so much he has decided to open a third tariff front—this time against China, following his steel and aluminum tariffs against our allies, and his solar-panel and washing machine levies against the world. Don’t you just love the smell of price increases in the morning?

Mr. Trump slapped 25% tariffs on $50 billion of imports from China chosen by U.S. Trade Rep Robert Lighthizer. A trade lawyer for Big Steel by training, Mr. Lighthizer will from his political chair in Washington now pass what could be a profit or loss judgment on thousands of American companies and workers.

The tariff list includes “new pneumatic tires,” parts for internal combustion aircraft engines, “dryers for wood,” and hundreds of other products. Don’t worry if you suddenly find that price increases or supply shortages are hurting business. You can always petition the Commerce Department for relief, when the bureaucrats get around to reading it.

Then there are the American products that China has targeted for retaliatory tariffs of 25%. These include soybeans, corn, sorghum, frozen boneless beef, dried cranberries, SUVs, liquefied propane, and hundreds more. The U.S. companies and their workers who produce all this are the drive-by victims as Mr. Trump and his trade warriors try to do—what exactly?

It isn’t clear what Mr. Trump and the U.S. want from China beyond a reduction in the $375 billion bilateral trade deficit. Economists understand this is a silly measure of a trading relationship, but Mr. Trump views it like a football score. Surplus you win; deficit you’re a loser. Yet the Chinese recently offered to reduce that deficit by buying some $70 billion more goods from the U.S., only to have Mr. Trump say it wasn’t enough.

The U.S. says the new tariffs are a response to Chinese intellectual property theft and “other unfair trade practices,” and these are important to address. But the U.S. tariff threat isn’t making China budge, and they are hurting Americans in the bargain.
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A trade strategy is also hard to discern given Mr. Trump’s recent decision to let Chinese telecom firm ZTE off with probation for repeatedly violating U.S. sanctions. ZTE was caught in April for selling equipment with U.S. components to Iran and North Korea. After the first offense in 2016, the Obama Administration blocked the company from buying U.S. components, which make up about 60% of its equipment. ZTE escaped this death penalty by paying a $1.2 billion fine and agreeing to punish the responsible employees.

ZTE didn’t punish the employees, lied to the U.S. and set up shell companies to evade sanctions. Commerce in April again prohibited the company from buying U.S. components for seven years, which shut down its manufacturing plants. But in May President Trump tweeted that he was working with Chinese President Xi Jingping to get the company “back into business, fast. Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!”

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross followed orders this month and lifted the ban on U.S. sales to ZTE. In return, the company has agreed to pay a $1 billion fine, give U.S. compliance monitors access to its facilities and replace its management and board. But ZTE officials can always find ways to exclude U.S. agents.

One surmise is that Mr. Trump’s ZTE rescue is a favor to Mr. Xi so Beijing regulators approve Qualcomm ’s acquisition of the Dutch NXP Semiconductors . The U.S. chip firm is struggling amid patent disputes and the semiconductor deal is critical to diversifying and growing its business. Qualcomm also stood to lose half a billion in revenues from sales to ZTE, which would have been painful but not fatal.

But going easy on a repeat sanctions violator sends a terrible signal to other violators and encourages countries to take U.S. companies captive to protect their cheaters. ZTE is also competing with U.S. telecom companies in 5G, which the Trump Administration considers a national security priority.

All of this has caught the attention of Senators from both parties who have added a provision to the defense authorization bill to block Mr. Trump’s ZTE deal. The White House opposes the provision but it is gaining momentum in the House too. This is what comes of impulsive trade policy that seems unmoored to any legal or economic principles.

If Mr. Trump really wants to confront unfair China trade policies, he’ll form a united front with our allies in Europe, North America and East Asia. The alliance would then take on China’s worst practices together, which would be a far bigger political challenge to a Chinese economy that depends on exports for growth and job creation.

The U.S. economy is humming amid tax reform and deregulation, and that growth momentum is so far overwhelming the damage from Mr. Trump’s incipient tariff wars. He’d better hope they are as easy to win as he claims.

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Trade Issues: China retaliates, EU retaliates, Canada retaliates on tariffs
« Reply #205 on: June 18, 2018, 07:16:39 AM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/china-retaliates-with-tariffs-on-u-s-goods-in-trade-tit-for-tat-1256958019881
https://globalnews.ca/news/4245336/canada-retaliation-us-steel-aluminum-tariffs/
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-announces-retaliation-against-trump-tariffs/

Surprise, surprise, surprise.  Who could have seen this coming.

Also we had the Canadian foreign minister Chrystia Freeland mocking the Trump's use of Rule 232, Canadian steel and aluminum is a US national security threat?
http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/390452-canada-foreign-minister-to-us-think-hard-about-message-youre
When other countries attack us verbally, I prefer if we are in the right and they are in the wrong.
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Paul Gigot, WSJ: " What Trump is doing would make more sense if we could see a strategy."
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In hindsight, it all makes sense AFTER the trade partners surrender and barriers against US goods are dropped.  If there is going to be good news on that front, it mostly needs to happen in the next 10-12 days, before July 1.   

If not, this has the capacity to undo all the economic good Trump and the Republicans have done, blow the mid-terms, lose power to the Left and the destroy the country from within and without.

No pressure.


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What Trump gets right about Europe
« Reply #207 on: June 19, 2018, 09:06:49 PM »
The world retains its ability to surprise-- this is from Pravda on the Hudson a.k.a. The NY Times:
What Trump Gets Right About Europe
By Jochen Bittner

Mr. Bittner is a political editor for the weekly newspaper Die Zeit and a contributing opinion writer.
June 19, 2018

Leaders of the Group of 7 countries and European Union officials meeting in Quebec this month.CreditSaul Loeb/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

HAMBURG, Germany — Most people can agree that international affairs should not be conducted by tweet — especially when the tweeter in question is Donald Trump. Among other reasons, it’s easy to dismiss the president’s mercurial rage and flagrant insults as little more than temper tantrums.

But that’s a mistake. Mr. Trump’s anger at America’s allies embodies, however unpleasantly, a not unreasonable point of view, and one that the rest of the world ignores at its peril: The global world order is unbalanced and inequitable. And unless something is done to correct it soon, it will collapse, with or without the president’s tweets.

While the West happily built the liberal order over the past 70 years, with Europe at its center, the Americans had the continent’s back. In turn, as it unravels, America feels this loss of balance the hardest — it has always spent the most money and manpower to keep the system working.

The Europeans have basically been free riders on the voyage, spending almost nothing on defense, and instead building vast social welfare systems at home and robust, well-protected export industries abroad. Rather than lash back at Mr. Trump, they would do better to ask how we got to this place, and how to get out.

The European Union, as an institution, is one of the prime drivers of this inequity. At the Group of 7, for example, the constituent countries are described as all equals. But in reality, the union puts a thumb on the scales in its members’ favor: It is a highly integrated, well-protected free-trade area that gives a huge leg up to, say, German car manufacturers while essentially punishing American companies who want to trade in the region.

The eurozone offers a similar unfair advantage. If it were not for the euro, Germany would long ago have had to appreciate its currency in line with its enormous export surplus.

Sure, eurozone membership makes imports to Germany more expensive than they would be under the deutschemark; wage restraint has also helped maintain the competitiveness of German machinery. But how can the very same politicians and journalists who defended the euro bailout payments during the financial crisis, arguing that Germany profited disproportionately from the common currency, now go berserk when Mr. Trump makes exactly this point?

German manufacturers also have the advantage of operating in a common market with huge wage gaps. Bulgaria, one of the poorest member states, has a per capita gross domestic product roughly equal to that of Gabon, while even in Slovakia, Poland and Hungary — three relative success stories among the recent entrants to the union — that same measure is still roughly a third of what it is in Germany. Under the European Union, German manufacturers can assemble their cars in low-wage countries and export them without worrying about tariffs or other trade barriers. If your plant sits in Detroit, you might find the president’s anger over this fact persuasive.

Mr. Trump is not the first president to complain about the unfair burden sharing within NATO. He’s merely the first president not just to talk tough, but to get tough.

Indeed, while his actions are shocking, the Europeans cannot say they are surprised. The warnings from the Obama administration that America’s indulgence might eventually cease had been plenty. Yet Europeans didn’t care much. All those German politicians who oppose raising military spending from a meager 1.3 percent of gross domestic product should try to explain to American students why their European peers enjoy free universities and health care, while they leave it up to others to cover for the West’s military infrastructure.

Europe’s unfair trade advantage is not the only challenge to the liberal world order. In retrospect, allowing China into the World Trade Organization — one of that order’s crowning achievements — was a huge mistake.

When the door was opened, in 2001, many in the West believed that a growing Chinese middle class, enriched by and engaged with the world economy, would eventually claim voice and suffrage, thereby democratizing China. The opposite has happened. China, which has grown wealthy in part by stealing intellectual property from the West, is turning into an online-era dictatorship, while still denying reciprocity in investment and trade relations.

Is this how you behave as a privileged member of the world’s business club? China’s unchecked abuse of the global free-trade regime makes a mockery of the very idea that the world can operate according to a rules-based order. Again, while many in the West have talked the talk about taking on China, only Mr. Trump has actually done something about it.

Mr. Trump’s tariffs against Europe are patently illegal, and Europe should retaliate. But simply punishing the makers of motorcycles, blue jeans and bourbon whiskey doesn’t solve any of the problems festering beneath the skin of the liberal world order. Europe needs to understand what is driving Mr. Trump’s anger and cooperate with Washington to fix the imbalances in the system.

That’s easy to say in theory, but can Europe work with Mr. Trump in practice? Maybe not. But there’s no real choice. And there’s a good chance for success if Europe engages Mr. Trump by his New York tycoon soul — he needs to be convinced that he’s getting a good deal. And right now, it’s easy to see why he thinks otherwise.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues:
« Reply #208 on: June 21, 2018, 07:09:04 AM »
Great post.  Europe should give the US every advantage it gives member states, minus the migration invasion.

NYT today, Trump has the ace in the trade negotiation deck with the strong economy.

Maybe what Europe and Trump critics see as the bumbling idiot is a President doing all the right things in exactly the right order.

Japan had an actual decline in their Q1 GDP.  China has a real issue with a declining (overstated) growth rate.  Europe has half the growth rate of the US and the US growth rate is now doubling regulations and taxes already largely reformed.

The tough negotiations with China, now in a spiraling stalemate, will end based on who flinches first.  Advantage China in so many ways, such as the immediate feedback of the US stock market and the fear of the impending midterm elections.  But if a trade war hits the Chinese economy many times harder and faster than it hits the US, maybe they face their own pressures and flinch first.

Regarding the EU, Trump and Britain should instantly announce unfettered free trade with the US effective the minute they get their sovereignty back.  And EU casting its blame on Trump should look in the mirror and end all barriers and stop fighting with their generous benefactor.  If anyone wants to reform China with pressure from the outside it will most certainly require the US and EU to be on the same page.

Trump can win a trade war with Trudeau in minutes.  When someone accounts for something like 78% of your trade and offers you no trade barriers in exchange for no trade barriers with an implied threat of closing the border if you don't agree, take the deal.

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LLL on trade
« Reply #209 on: June 25, 2018, 07:30:25 AM »
Mark Perry on LLL:

http://www.foxnews.com/shows/life-liberty-levin.html

I am almost convinced by Doug,CD,GM and now this show trade wars not helpful - mostly hurt ourselves more then they help.

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Free Trader Economist thinks Trump's trade war is Winnable
« Reply #210 on: June 27, 2018, 06:05:57 AM »
First this,

ccp:  "I am almost convinced by Doug,CD,GM and now this show trade wars not helpful - mostly hurt ourselves more than they help."


A global system of government imposed tariffs sucks and hurts everyone, but Trump's policy is supposed to be a system of tactics to drive these trading partner adversaries back to a free trade system.  He has offered these countries zero tariffs both ways.  The question is, will he succeed and succeed fast in breaking them down or will he fail and fail miserably?  There is not much room in between.

On the negative side for Trump and the US are the Dow and midterm elections.  Will Trump cave first?  You don't get rich in the long run by going broke in the short run.  He cannot let the markets tumble and cannot succeed as President while losing the midterm elections.

On the positive side are points brought up in this piece in the Weekly Standard.  Trump holds a stronger hand than his trading partners.  Canada, Germany and China have a lot more to lose.  Canada is going to have to make concessions.  EU duties on US are four-fold higher.  China is 6 times more reliant on US sales than US is on China.  And Trump has successfully created an image with allies and adversaries of being nuts.  If you are them, take the no duties either way deal.  I am ready to get tired of winning.
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/06/thoughts-on-trade.php
https://www.weeklystandard.com/irwin-m-stelzer/trumps-trade-war-really-might-be-easy-to-win

Know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em, know when to walk away and know when to run...  [The outcome of the game depends on the players and the cards they hold.]

Canada:  "steel and aluminum tariffs will cost Canada 6,000 jobs and cut its annual GDP by $8 billion. Two-thirds of Canada’s trade is with the United States, 85 percent of its auto exports go to America, and a considerable number of the industry’s 130,000 workers will be out of work if Trump goes through with his threat to raise U.S. duties on imported autos from 2.5 percent to 20 percent."

[How do you have a 'free trade agreement' and 300% tariffs on dairy?]

“Canada is going to have to make some concessions.”

EU:  "323,000 of them [German vehicles per year exported] to the United States. It is shielded from foreign competition by the E.U.’s 10 percent duty on auto imports.  
[*  4 times higher than US duties! Is that fair?]
Daimler has already issued a profit warning because of the U.S. threat."
“No other country would suffer higher absolute losses from such a tariff as Germany,”  Merkel just doesn’t have enough chips to get into a serious game of raise and re-raise with America.

Which is why the German auto industry is proposing the elimination by the E.U. and the U.S. of all duties on most vehicles, an idea that never entered the heads of German automakers when their tariff was almost five times America’s. Now that Trump is threatening to see their 10 percent and raise it to 20 percent, VW, BMW, Mercedes, et al. are born-again free traders.

[Doesn't Germany run the EU?]

China:  "Trump has put on the table chips representing a 10 percent levy on $200 billion of Chinese goods, doubled to $400 billion if China retaliates. Also coming soon will be bans on exports of U.S. high-tech products to China, unless the regime ends its theft of intellectual property."

[Three advantages to Trump and the Americans over China]:

China’s exports to the United States come to almost 4 percent of its GDP, while U.S. exports to China equal only 0.7 percent of U.S. GDP. A trade war has an impact on China that is six times that on America.”

The U.S. economy is in rude good health, while China is the throes of an effort to reduce the massive debt overhang that is beginning to stifle its growth. That creates “a strain on the top leadership as it tries to fend off a trade war with the U.S.,” Diana Cheyleva, chief economist with London-based Enodo Economics, told the New York Times.

China is having difficulty finding U.S. stuff to penalize. It has exempted LNG from tariffs because it desperately needs imports from the United States to fuel its economy. If it cancels orders now with Boeing, it will have a five-year wait to get on the books of Airbus. Tariffs on U.S. agricultural products drive up food costs in China.

"In short, America can win this game."


*  Currently, vehicles shipped from Europe to the US face a low 2.5% tariff. Meanwhile, cars built in America face a 10% tariff when they're shipped to the European Union.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/24/news/car-auto-tariffs-us-germany-japan-toyota-volkswagen/index.html



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GPF on measuring trade
« Reply #211 on: July 02, 2018, 03:42:29 AM »
July 2, 2018
By GPF Staff
Toward a New Understanding of World Trade


Precise evaluations of current and future global trade patterns are more important than ever.


The first rule of studying international trade is that no single rule, statistic or equation is capable of adequately explaining either current or future trade patterns. Trade is too intricate and too variable, its shape naturally adjusting to conflict, politics, disruptive technologies and so on. This makes reliable data difficult to collect, and the presentation of trade data, like any statistic, can be manipulated to support almost any argument. Anecdotal evidence can complete the picture, or even paint a different one, and thus is just as important as what the numbers say. Ultimately, even the most elegant system of trade-related econometrics must judge itself not on the cleverness of its equations but on whether it describes reality accurately.

Despite the inherent difficulties of this work, the ability to precisely evaluate current and future global trade patterns is more important than ever. Protectionism is back in the news. In truth, protectionism never went away, and lest we think this is only a U.S.-driven process, we need only remind ourselves that Canada and the U.K. intimated last week that they were considering certain protectionist measures unrelated to U.S. moves. The international trade system since 1945 has been deeply marked by a veneer of free trade, but no one would assert that the progression toward freer trade is linear, an inevitable end of economic history.

In recognition of the need to do this important work and to make our analysis more accessible and transparent, GPF is exploring new quantitative ways to analyze trade relationships. We are beginning with a fairly unambitious goal: We want to establish a way to quantify the relative dependency in a bilateral trade relationship over a single commodity. The basis of our approach comes from a 1991 analysis by GPF founder and chairman George Friedman in relation to Japan’s dependence on imports. This approach is by no means sacrosanct, nor do we think it is a perfect representation of trade dependency. We do, however, think it is a useful tool for starting a more holistic conversation about how trade works – a conversation sorely missing from the present media environment.


 

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This approach depends on establishing a relationship between three variables. The first variable is the importance of the commodity or good to the importer. Take, for example, Canadian imports of U.S. steel. We need to know how much steel Canada imports from the U.S. and how much it imports from the world overall. Dividing the Canada-U.S. import relationship by Canada’s total imports gives a sense of Canadian reliance on the U.S. for that commodity. Note that this is measured by physical weight (or in the case of a finished good, number of units), because that is more important to the importer than price.

The second variable is the importance of the trade of the commodity or good to the exporter. For the exporter, the monetary value of the trade is more important than the quantity – after all, the goal of the exporter is to make money, while the goal of the importer is to acquire a commodity or good. The second step, therefore, is to measure the importer’s payment for the import in relation to the total amount the exporter derives from that commodity or good in general. To use the example above, that would mean determining the amount Canada paid the U.S. for steel, and then dividing that figure by total payments for all U.S. steel exports.

Once these two relationships are established, a final variable is determined: whether the importer could easily find another source for the commodity or good in question. For this, we return to weight or unit measurements, and we compare the exporter’s production of the commodity or good (in this example, steel) to the total production of said commodity or good in the world. This last step is in many ways the most crucial. If the total availability of the commodity or good indicates that it would be fairly easy to find alternative sources, what might have looked like a highly dependent relationship for the importer can become a highly dependent relationship for the exporter.
By dividing the ratios established in the first and second variables, and then multiplying that figure by the ratio established in the third variable, we are left with a figure that gives a relative sense of dependency. If the figure is greater than 1, the importer is vulnerable; if it is less than 1, the exporter is vulnerable. The further the figure gets from 1 in either direction, the greater the dependency. For example, the vulnerability coefficient for Japanese imports of Australian coal in 1991 was 13.7, indicating that Japan was extremely dependent on Australian coal. (The figure has since dropped to 3.69, suggesting a trend of decreasing, if stubborn, dependence.) Conversely, Japan’s vulnerability coefficient for oil from the United Arab Emirates was just 0.01 in 1991, suggesting that Japan, which is almost entirely dependent on imports for its oil, nevertheless had the upper hand in the oil trade relationship with the UAE.

This way of looking at dependence comes replete with flaws, as does any mathematical approach. It does not, for instance, account for the ability of the importer to produce for itself the commodity or good in question. It is also less valuable the broader the definition is of the commodity or good. Steel is a commodity, but there are many types of niche steel products. Canada may not exhibit a statistical dependency on U.S. steel imports overall, but perhaps it does depend on American coiled stainless steel wire, which would be very important in determining the direction of a trade negotiation. This means that to grasp the nuances of dependency requires highly focused analysis of specific commodities about which it will often be difficult or impossible to acquire the requisite data to make a calculation.

GPF has always defined itself as an organization whose research is based on both qualitative and quantitative methodologies. For those to whom data is a religious principle, this has at times provoked negative reactions. They believe “qualitative” is a dirty word for lacking rigor. But blind attachment to data is equally lacking in rigor. We have always tried to find a medium between these two poles, both trusting what we see while developing mathematically driven ways to simplify a complex issue like bilateral trade.

We will use the approach above increasingly in the coming months. Indeed, our first analysis on this issue will appear later this afternoon. As always, we welcome your feedback – especially from those who see solutions to the flaws inherent in this approach. One does not need an economics degree to engage in this kind of work; real-world observations can be just as valid as attempts to describe reality through equations. This is not a knock on economists but a testament to our readers, who have a great deal of both to offer. We invite you to join us in better understanding international trade as old patterns begin to transform.





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WSJ: Martin Feldstein: The Use and Abuse of Tariffs
« Reply #212 on: July 06, 2018, 08:04:16 AM »
The Use—and Abuse—of Tariffs
If Trump’s goal is to reduce the trade deficit with China, forget it. But the threat could be useful.
By Martin Feldstein
July 5, 2018 6:40 p.m. ET
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President Trump’s threatened barrage of tariffs on more than $400 billion of Chinese exports to the U.S. is set to begin Friday. While I am a strong advocate of free trade, the threat of tariffs can be useful in the right context. But the president has never specified his objective. What would the Chinese government have to do to stop Mr. Trump’s tariffs?

One possible objective might be to pressure China to reduce its $376 billion bilateral annual trade surplus, which the president frequently denounces. The Chinese government could accomplish this either by buying large quantities of American products or “voluntarily” reducing the country’s exports to the U.S., as Japan did in the 1980s.

If that’s the president’s goal, it’s deeply misguided. Reducing Chinese exports to the U.S. would deny American consumers the low-cost products they buy from China while doing nothing to reduce the global U.S. trade deficit. That’s because the trade deficit reflects the reality that Americans consume more goods than we produce. To do that we must import the difference from the rest of the world.

Although the U.S. has trade surpluses with some countries and trade deficits with others, the total balance is negative. If the U.S. reduces the trade deficit with one country, it must increase the net trade deficit with others to keep the total unchanged. The U.S. could balance the trade deficit only if Americans increased their saving to make room for more domestic production.


A decline in the U.S. trade deficit with China would mean an equal increase in the trade deficit with other countries. If Beijing agrees to import more American products or to sell fewer goods to the U.S., Americans will sell less to other countries or buy more from other countries. A tariff threat that leads China to reduce its trade surplus with the U.S. would not have accomplished any change in America’s global trade deficit.

A more judicious use of tariffs would give the Chinese government an incentive to stop stealing the intellectual property of U.S. companies. China now requires U.S. firms operating in China to form a “partnership” with a Chinese counterpart and share their technology with it. The Chinese use that stolen technology to compete with American firms in China and around the world. This unfair economic practice undermines American industry.

The Chinese requirement to share technology as a condition for doing business in China is explicitly forbidden by the World Trade Organization rules, which China agreed to when it joined the organization in 2001. The Chinese government says it is not in violation of the WTO rule because American companies “voluntarily” choose to do business in China with the understanding that they must have a Chinese partner. American companies say it isn’t voluntary because they have no choice if they want access to an economy with 1.3 billion people and an economy nearly as large as America’s.

The U.S. government filed a complaint with the WTO in March demanding an end to the Chinese practice, but as a result of U.S. experience with previous WTO complaints, American officials are not optimistic about a favorable decision. The European Union filed a similar complaint in June.

A negotiation with the Chinese under the threat of U.S. tariffs would be a more effective means of changing China’s policy. The threat of punitive tariffs could lead the Chinese government to agree to allow U.S. firms to operate in China without local partners. If China did not live up to the agreement, the tariffs could be reimposed.

Chinese theft of U.S. technology is not a new problem. At their 2013 California summit, President Obama showed Chinese President Xi Jinping evidence gathered by the National Security Agency of Chinese hacking into the computer systems of U.S. companies. The U.S. and China ended that meeting with a communiqué stating that neither government would support cybertheft for commercial purposes.

It is more difficult to confirm whether the Chinese have honored that agreement than it would be to determine whether they were allowing American companies to operate in China without surrendering their intellectual property. But the NSA should review the evidence. Chinese desistance from cybertheft also should be a condition for tariff-free access to U.S. markets.

American policy to block the theft of U.S. technology is legitimate and desirable. But it is not the same as a U.S. policy to try to prevent China from achieving its “Made in China 2025” goal of becoming a global leader in high-tech industries through its own research and investments. If the U.S. wants to retain the lead in technology manufacturing and services, it should support education in the U.S. and provide incentives for American firms to do the necessary investments and research. A trade war won’t get us there.

Mr. Feldstein, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Reagan, is a professor at Harvard and a member of the Journal’s board of contributors.

Appeared in the July 6, 2018, print edition.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues: Martin Feldstewin
« Reply #213 on: July 06, 2018, 08:52:33 AM »
Feldstein is a good voice of wisdom.  Much of the rhetoric on trade is false, such as Trump's victory speech after winning the Indiana primary.  The import of low cost goods from far away is not the problem.  Their  tariffs and illegal practices are what is wrong.  The US tariffs are bad policy UNLESS they are temporary and accomplish the ending of the unfair trade practices against us.  So far, all news is that Canada, Europe and China are digging in, thinking DT will cave.  At this point, I am pulling for Trump.

From the article:  "The Chinese requirement to share technology as a condition for doing business in China is explicitly forbidden by the World Trade Organization rules, which China agreed to when it joined the organization in 2001. The Chinese government says it is not in violation of the WTO rule because American companies “voluntarily” choose to do business in China with the understanding that they must have a Chinese partner. American companies say it isn’t voluntary because they have no choice if they want access to an economy with 1.3 billion people and an economy nearly as large as America’s."

This is the problem.  Trump is calling them out on this.  He needs to do is louder and clearer.  He needs to make clear he is not starting a trade war, he is ending one.  It is their move.  Canada doesn't get to benefit from a hemisphere-wide free trade agreement and have 300% tariff on dairy.  Europe doesn't get to have full access to our market while having tariffs ten times greater on our products than we have on theirs.  China doesn't get to keep stealing our technology (period).  The Bush, Clinton Obama lapdogs are gone.

If Americans stick with Trump, this ends with our trading partners dropping their barriers and everyone wins.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues:
« Reply #214 on: July 12, 2018, 08:48:46 AM »
Trump needs a win on his trade fight - SOON.  This strategy of attacking all at once has turned all against him and he is losing the war of messaging IMHO. 

It was Obama and the other predecessors who let it come to this, but having to fight a war on all fronts at once is counterproductive.  It puts Canada, Europe and others against us in the fight against China.

Trump Administration Considering 'Tariff Payments' to Farmers
https://www.agweb.com/article/trump-administration-considering-tariff-payments-to-farmers/

Oh good grief, another government program to mitigate the damage of a government program.

US pork and beef out of Chinese market
US Beef in China replaced with Australian beef:
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=suawv_1531293017

Robert Samuelson: A Trade War could be Devastating
https://www.omaha.com/opinion/robert-j-samuelson-a-trade-war-could-be-devastating/article_141f04c4-3472-594a-8ca6-eaba51c9dffc.html
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President Trump offered Europe no tariffs.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/08/trumps-g7-tariffs-trade-611888

He should repeat this offer with every step and every message in this trade war.  We don't want tariffs.  We don't want government managed trade.  We want free trade on an equal footing.

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Alan Reynolds
« Reply #215 on: July 13, 2018, 07:47:58 PM »
"Bilateral trade deficits are based on gross sales rather than value-added. Much of the content of goods assembled in China and Mexico is from the United States, so a tariff (sales tax) on their exports hurts U.S. producers and is paid by U.S. consumers."

"A rapidly-growing economy imports more and has less spare capacity to use for exports. The Trump-Navarro-Ross idea that trade deficits subtract from GDP is bad economics and accounting."

"The Mexican bracero program, temporary visas for seasonal farm workers, was ended on the theory that keeping immigrants out would raise wages for domestic farm workers.  In reality, the paucity of seasonal help hurt farms but didn't help farm labor."

You might think trade wars would be "inflationary" because tariffs add to prices but that's partial equilibrium logic.  As in 1930-32, sudden surpluses of grains, metals, etc. from an implosion of world trade creates a global "Going out of Business" Sale.

The Trump Administration's bad habit of talking only about bilateral trade deficits in goods ignores the fact that the U.S. surplus in services has been growing very rapidly - doubling from $20 billion to $40 billion in just 5 years in the case of China.

"Services are 69% of GDP, 33% of exports and account for 100% of long-term job growth.  Yet Trump and his Band of grumpy Trade Warriors don't count services in their foolish trade deficit numbers.  Inexcusable ignorance."

If tariffs announced by the United States and foreign jurisdictions thus far were enacted, U.S. GDP would fall by $110 billion in the long run, effectively offsetting one-quarter of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act...and employment would fall by 342,051.

Tariffs hurt US  (not them) even without retaliation:  They raise U.S. producer costs and U.S. consumer prices.  

With retaliation, the regional pain could prove suicidal for the Trump Republican base in November Congressional election.

 - Alan Reynolds  July/2018

Alan Reynolds, Washington Times 5-4-88: "Getting tough with Korea means getting very tough indeed with Iowa, and also getting tough with the pension funds of Michigan workers that invested in U.S. banks that loaned money to Korea," etc., etc. . . .



Mark Perry:
If you're unfortunate enough to be shopping for a new washing machine, you can thank @RealDonaldTrump's tariffs for the largest six-month price increase (+16.2%) in history.
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GPF: 2016 Germany's Invisible Export Crisis
« Reply #216 on: July 14, 2018, 01:22:30 PM »
October 13, 2016

Summary

Germany is the world’s fourth largest economy. It is also Europe’s largest economy, and any European economic recovery depends in large part on Germany’s trajectory. Germany is the third largest exporter in absolute terms in the G20, and is nearly as dependent on exports as Saudi Arabia and South Korea.

Given the enormous size of the German economy, the country must export vast amounts every year to maintain social and political stability. Prosperity for exporters depends on the appetites of their customers and, since 2008, their ability to rely on exports has been diminishing. While other major exporters have been struggling, Germany has actually increased its export levels. Germany has thus created a significant vulnerability for itself and will be the next country to face an export crisis. Given the country’s high dependence on exports, this crisis will likely be extreme and destabilizing, with negative implications for other European countries.

Introduction

Two principles govern much of today’s economic thinking. The first is that free trade is universally beneficial. The second is that high levels of exports indicate economic efficiency and build the economy. These principles are being severely tested in the current geopolitical crisis. Since 2008, the global economic system has been struggling to regain its footing. Free trade and export-based economic growth have both benefits and vulnerabilities, but the ongoing crisis is highlighting the economic imbalances and political instability created by this model.

Major exporting economies like China, Russia and Saudi Arabia are vulnerable because they depend heavily on external demand and exports have declined because of economic problems and severe price competition. Exporters of manufactured goods, like China, and exporters of primary commodities, like Russia and Saudi Arabia, have both been hit. We are seeing a generalized crisis for exporters. This crisis, in turn, is creating political and social instability in these exporting countries.

One country that has not yet experienced the effects of this crisis is Germany. This anomaly is significant because Germany is, in absolute terms, the third largest exporter in the world after China and the United States. Germany’s economy is heavily dependent on exports: Germany derives about 45.7 percent of its GDP from exports, according to the World Bank’s latest available estimates from 2014. In China, on the other hand, exports equal only 22.6 percent of GDP, and in the United States only 13.4 percent. Germany is the fourth largest economy in the world and its export dependence is by far the highest of any G7 economy.

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Over the past few years, there has been a shift in the export dependency levels of some of the world’s top exporters. China’s exports as a percent of GDP have declined from 33.7 percent in 2005 to 22.6 percent in 2014, with the bulk of the decline coming after 2008. Russian exports have declined from 35.2 percent in 2005 to 30 percent in 2014. Others have held steady. Germany’s trajectory, however, has been the opposite: the German economy’s dependence on exports has only grown. The country’s exports were 37.7 percent of GDP in 2005 and 42.3 percent in 2010. Four years later, it was over 45 percent.

Germany appears, on the surface, to have weathered the crisis well to this point. However, in our view, Germany’s growth model will not help the country avoid a crisis for much longer. The strategies Germany has used to maintain high export rates are unsustainable.

In order to evaluate Germany’s challenges and the prospects for a German economic crisis, we need to understand four things. The first is the ongoing geopolitical crisis that is engulfing the Eastern Hemisphere. Second, the relationship between the Eastern Hemisphere’s crisis and a breakdown of the export system. Third, the condition of the European Union and, fourth, how all this converges in Germany and why the country is likely to experience significant economic disruptions.

The Eurasian Crisis

In 2008, two pivotal events happened within seven weeks of each other. On Aug. 8, 2008, Russia and Georgia went to war. On Sept. 16, 2008, Lehman Brothers collapsed. The first event shifted the strategic dynamic. The second transformed the global economic situation, particularly in Eurasia (understood as Europe and Asia combined). The economic crisis was immediate and painful but it was not, in itself, unusual or significant. Financial crises are built into capitalism and, for the United States, this was the fourth such crisis since World War II: the municipal bond crisis in the 1970s, the Third World debt crisis and the savings and loan crisis in the 1980s preceded it. It was the combination of the strategic and economic crises, however, and the unique difficulties major powers in Eurasia had in dealing with the dual problems, that led to general and interlocking crises throughout the region.

When we look at a map of Eurasia, an extraordinary pattern emerges. Virtually all the components of the region have destabilized. China’s economy is slowing down, and the regime in Beijing is moving to strengthen and further centralize its power, as well as use increased military assertiveness at sea to boost morale and avoid potential social unrest at home. Russia has entered an economic crisis and become more assertive in the Middle East and to its west. The Middle East is experiencing a political crisis that has destroyed two states, Syria and Iraq, while oil-exporting countries are destabilizing as prices decline.

Finally, the European Union has fragmented, with the decline of coherent decision-making and the unwillingness of individual states to adhere to any central authority. Meanwhile, southern Europe remains in a deep depression with more than 20 percent unemployment in Greece. Britain will hold a referendum on whether to leave the EU, while independence movements in places like Catalonia have strengthened. On issues ranging from economic dysfunction to the migration problem, Europe’s central crisis has been political. The EU has been unable to make, implement and enforce effective decisions. As a result, it is facing informal dissolution – a situation where the EU exists, but it is increasingly ignored.

The regional crises are no longer sequestered. They are interacting with each other. Russia is putting pressure on Europe and the Middle East. Europe is reacting to Russia and involved in the Middle East. The Middle East is affecting Europe and drawing in Russian involvement. In the western part of Eurasia, it is as if separate storms are beginning to merge together into a single, much more powerful storm. And that is what makes this important.

Destabilization stretching from the Pacific to the Atlantic and from the Arctic Ocean to the Indian Ocean hasn’t occurred since World War II. Except for India, which has problems but is not undergoing systemic stress, all of the land mass is unstable. That means that 5 billion out of 7 billion people in the world exist in a state of economic and strategic turmoil. This is the heartland of humanity. In World War II, this entire region was drawn into a systemic crisis that manifested as war. Parts of the region are now at war, other parts face the threat of war, while others have problems confined to economics and politics. There is no likelihood of a generalized Eurasian war, but there is the possibility of war coupled with internal instability in all of these countries.

Germany has thus far remained stable, with low unemployment, a strong government (until recently) and an economic system that continues to function. This has been seen as evidence of prudent management. There is much of that, but there is also an anomaly. Germany is following a path that had shattered the expectations of other countries. It is resisting a tide that it should be unable to resist: the general crisis of exporters.

The Crisis of Exporters

There is a crisis of exporters plaguing countries from South Korea to Saudi Arabia, Russia and China. Germany has not yet been affected but is, nevertheless, vulnerable. In order to understand Germany’s dilemma, we must first ask how we got to a global exporters’ crisis in the first place.

The 2008 financial crisis triggered recessions in the United States and Europe, two of the world’s largest consumer markets. The recessions turned into long-term stagnation in Europe and slow growth in the United States. This decreased consumer demand, which was compounded by the process of deleveraging consumer debt. This decreased demand for imported consumer products, while the general economic stagnation also lowered industrial production and, therefore, the need for industrial products.

This had a substantial effect on China, which had been the previous generation’s major low-wage, high-growth economy. Such economies are a particular niche within global capitalism, able to off-load low margin production and focus on more complex, higher margin products. The two previous low-wage, high-growth economies were Japan and Germany. In the late 19th century, it was the United States. These economies are critical, tend to last about a generation, and then rotate out of that role into a more advanced industrial power. Japan began rotating out of this role in the 1980s, reached a transformative financial crisis from 1990 to 1991 and then transformed itself into a mature economy.

China had been moving toward the end of its low-wage, high-growth phase by the time 2008 came. Its position as a low-wage economy was being challenged by multiple other economies, which, for various reasons, were able to undercut Chinese prices while maintaining quality. This put Chinese exports under pressure, both in term of absolute sales volumes and profit margins. China is a much poorer and more diverse country than Japan, so its path will likely be rockier: 2008 hit an already pressured China even harder than others.

China is a victim of its own success as an exporter. The problem with exporters is that they are entirely dependent on their customer’s ability to buy what they have to sell. The 2008 crisis reduced demand in Europe and the United States, China’s two biggest and most essential customers. China could only control exports by finding other markets – none of which could match Europe and United States – or by cutting prices. Given the global crisis, alternative markets and price cuts had limited effect. Both were tried, but in the end export growth was maintained primarily by decreasing profit margins. As with the Japanese, this inevitably generated financial instability, as exporters were unable to service debt. The government intervened, trying to allocate capital to prevent unemployment, and the economy engaged in an economic-political spiral into gridlock.

China was the linchpin of the global industrial commodity system. Its inability to sell made it impossible for China to continue purchasing large volumes of oil, copper, iron ore and so on. Prices for commodities should have fallen dramatically because of this. They didn’t fall immediately because of two things. First, China is a semi-command economy, with key processes in the hands of the state. Purchasing industrial commodities had a dimension of centralized control, which meant that demand for these commodities did not shift in line with falling need. Both bureaucratic inertia and Chinese expectation that its export problems would be handled kept Chinese imports at unrealistic levels.

The second reason is that, in many ways, China was a bubble to which irrational expectations were attached. As with all bubbles, the irrationality endures after the position is untenable, and then, when reality can no longer be escaped, the bubble bursts. The Chinese bubble was particularly strong, as many assumed that China’s growth rate, which had remained at preternatural levels for more than 30 years, was eternal. Therefore, even though China’s growth pattern had been broken in plain sight, the belief was that the problems were minor or temporary. This perception maintained industrial commodity prices at a level higher than they should have been for some time. Given the increase in supply of commodities generated by irrationally high prices and technological advances, the break was more severe for being delayed.

The global economy thus faced a dual crisis: exporters of both manufactured goods and primary commodities saw demand and prices fall. Exporters of all kinds began experiencing significant financial strain.

The European Crisis and Germany

Intertwined with the financial crisis was the condition of the European Union. Crises necessitate action, and 2008 was the first true financial crisis the EU had faced. How the EU dealt with the crisis would affect how all of Europe would feel the crisis. And to understand how the EU reacted, the condition of the EU must be understood.

The crisis revealed both structural problems and fundamental imbalances in the European Union. First, the EU was not configured to deal with financial crises. The sort of formal and informal systems the United States developed in its post-war crises had never been developed in Europe. Part of this problem was a lack of structures and processes. But the deeper issue was political. The EU was supposed to be a transnational structure, but individual states maintained a great deal of sovereignty. The extent to which the EU had the responsibility or the authority to manage the 2008 crisis simply wasn’t clear. If the EU didn’t have the authority, then the states had to, but given that much of the EU shared a single currency, the nations didn’t have control over the critical instrument – monetary policy. Therefore, they couldn’t deal with the problem without some level of cooperation from the EU.

The solution was collaboration, but Europe had expanded to include nations at very different levels of development and, therefore, with very different interests. The policies that might help advanced industrial economies and substantially less developed economies were fundamentally different. A net creditor has one set of interests in this scenario, while a net borrower has very different ones. It was possible to create a single coherent set of solutions in the United States that at least carried the country through the worst of the crisis. The United States had settled the principle of sovereignty in the Civil War. It had settled the principle of common management of a financial crisis in the 1930s. These worked imperfectly, but they created a framework for decision-making and policy implementation that a chaotic European Union lacks. There is no such thing as a common European interest.

At the same time, the crisis highlighted how trade, one of Europe’s building blocks, has contributed to deep imbalances. At root, the EU is a free trade zone. At the center of this is Germany. The free trade zone, then, is built around a massive exporting machine – which is great for Germany but makes it difficult for less developed countries, particularly in southern Europe, to develop. It must be remembered that, in the 1950s, Germany was allowed to protect its economy, controlling access to its market, so that it could develop. Fearing Soviet influence in Europe during the Cold War, the United States supported Germany’s economic growth. The United States had similarly protected its economy during the late 19th century, as had China and Japan, to the benefit of their developing economies.

The European free trade zone stripped all member countries of the right to protect their economies in every sector, with few exceptions. The Germans were massive exporters, who also consistently ran substantial balance of trade surpluses, which meant that many European countries were swimming upstream in the process of development. In addition, prevailing sentiments said that exports were a sign of a growing and healthy economy. Consequently, the EU kept trying to apply Germany’s model of success to countries like Greece.

Inevitably, the 2008 crisis revealed the underlying problem. As the recession took hold, one set of countries immediately began experiencing sovereign debt issues and other debt problems. That was inevitable. The question was how to address the problem. The creditors, led by Germany, wanted debtors to cut government budgets and carry the main burden of repayment. The debtor nations, lacking a single leader, dealt with the problem individually. The central focus was on the health of the banking systems, as isolated countries were pressured to reach agreements on repayment that were built on austerity packages.

There was a contradiction built into Germany’s insistence on austerity. Germany was and is a major creditor, holding paper from throughout Europe. When the southern European economies began to collapse, the Germans faced a dilemma. On the one hand, the European free trade zone absorbed much of Germany’s exports, and therefore it was in Germany’s interest to stimulate Europe’s economy. On the other hand, stimulus would mean that Germany would have to increase the amount of debt from countries near default, betting that the stimulus would turn these economies around. If the economies weren’t stimulated, exports would decline. If they were stimulated, they faced a banking crisis.

All of this was compounded by the exporters’ problem, particularly after the decline of oil prices. Oil exporters reduced imports and manufacturers in competition with Germany slashed prices. The Germans were trapped in an export-oriented market with limited appetite for its goods. It seemed the best the Germans could do was to slide into a significant depression while they restructured their economy and hope that they would not slide into long-term depression. But Germany could not afford to do that, and instead emphasized austerity throughout the European Union.

The purpose of austerity was to stabilize the financial system, but its byproduct was dramatically increased unemployment, particularly in the less developed eurozone countries. In much of Europe, the state is involved in health care, power utilities, transportation and other sectors. Spending cuts, therefore, hit the professional middle class, which depends in part on state-financed sectors. The level of unemployment in many countries surged, but did so most dramatically in the south, where unemployment among the Mediterranean countries soared to over 20 percent and in some cases to 25 percent. These were the same levels reached in the United States during the Great Depression. Countries outside the eurozone weathered the crisis better, but southern European members of the eurozone went into recession, and as their economies suffered, demand for goods – including German exports – declined.

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Germany staved off feeling the pain by increasing its exports to China, the United States and, to a lesser extent, the United Kingdom. Demand in China, however, has begun to fall. And there is a limit to how much and how long the U.S. and the U.K. can fill the gap in demand for Germany’s exports.

Germany’s Inevitable Crisis

Germany poses the central problem in Europe. It was structured to be an exporter. Germany did not simply become an exporter after World War II, but was an exporter from the beginning. Like Japan, it was a latecomer to the industrial revolution. In order to catch up, it had to rely on exports while limiting its domestic consumption. After World War II, Germany merely returned to this model. In 1989, when the Berlin Wall fell and Germany reunified, it faced the problem of massively uneven development between East Germany and West Germany and the need to finance the integration. The solution was, once again, to increase exports, discourage domestic consumption and increase savings rates. Once an economy is structured in this way, however, it can only be forced into another model by a significant crisis that makes its existing economic model untenable.

Germany’s economic strategy was part of the German DNA. It was a strategy in which a highly educated and disciplined society would excel. Again, compare Germany and Japan. Both had vast human capital from the pre-war period and a devastated economy. Both used the highly trained workforce and management that had survived the war to rebuild and recapitalize their economies through exports. When 2008 struck, Germany was already caught in an exporter model and it continued to emphasize exports while also maintaining its saving strategy.

The one option Germans didn’t have was to accept lower exports, which would have required increased domestic consumption. Given German export dependence, the amount of increased domestic consumption that was needed was unattainable. Moreover, any increase in domestic consumption would slash into the German savings rate, and bring it down to zero. This would upend the German competitive advantage of high investment in advanced production methods.

Eurasia’s interrelated crises, coupled with the ongoing crisis of exporters and Germany’s fraught relationship with the European Union have brought to the fore Germany’s core economic vulnerability. There are three indications that the country is heading toward its own crisis. German trade patterns have shifted, return on capital has diminished, and some German companies have begun cutting prices in an attempt to maintain export levels. The tactics Germany has relied on to weather the storm are ineffective in the long term, and there are already signals that Germany’s economy is slowing down as a result.

First, trade patterns are shifting because demand for German goods has been growing at a slower pace nearly across the board. The economic slowdown in China and the eurozone’s economic malaise led to low export growth rates and in some cases declines in German exports to these areas. Since 2008, German exports to France have grown so slowly that, for the first time since 1961, France is no longer the top destination for German exports, according to U.N. Comtrade data. Exports to China in 2015 declined by 4 percent. German exporters sought to compensate for decreased demand by boosting revenues from other markets, especially the U.S. In 2008, only 7.2 percent of German exports by value went to the U.S. Seven years later, this increased to 9.5. In 2015, German exports to the U.S. rose by 19 percent – enough to supplant France as Germany’s top export destination.

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The greater dependence on U.S. customers can be seen in the financial results of top German companies. For example, auto manufacturer Daimler’s revenues in the U.S. spiked 26 percent in 2015 compared to the previous year. BMW’s revenues in the Americas as a percent of total revenues also rose in 2015, while the share of revenues coming from Asia and Africa declined.

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Although the U.S. is an enormous market for Germany, dependency on this market for export growth is not a viable long-term strategy for Germany. First, the U.S. is in a period of slow growth, with its own domestic savings rate rising. Moreover, Germany is a very large exporter and it faces strong competition in the U.S. for customers. Finally, it has been six years since the last recession in the U.S., and the country, generally speaking, tends to dip into recession roughly every seven years. So, if history is any indicator, the U.S. is due for another recession in the near term. There is already the danger that the U.S. market is saturated with German goods, but if a recession were to be added to the mix, it would limit Germany’s exports even further.

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The second indication that Germany’s model is eroding is declining returns on capital invested. Some German exporters have experienced only slight declines, but several major companies have undergone significant shifts. Volkswagen, Bayer and BASF all saw their rate of return on invested capital decline over the last two years. Volkswagen enjoyed a rate of return on invested capital of over 13 percent in late 2012. By late 2015, the rate was less than 3 percent. Daimler’s rate of return on sales of its Mercedes-Benz cars in the first quarter of 2016 was 7 percent, compared to 9.4 percent the previous year.

The third indication of a coming crisis is that there are growing signals German businesses are sacrificing revenues in order to boost exports in the short term. According to the European Commission, producer prices in the eurozone are declining. In January, producer prices fell 3 percent at an annual rate, and in February prices dropped by 4.2 percent. Some German exporters publicly declared that they are cutting prices. BMW cut prices for spare parts in China, while Volkswagen in 2015 introduced discounts and interest free loans in China to boost sales. One phenomenon that underscores the challenges facing Germany’s exporters is a divergence between the growth in sales and growth in revenues. For example, Daimler’s first quarter sales in 2016 increased by 7 percent compared to the first quarter of 2015, but revenues increased by merely 2 percent. BMW’s automotive segment unit sales grew by 5.9 percent in the first quarter year-on-year, but revenue for car sales declined by 0.4 percent. While exchange rate effects did negatively impact revenues in the first quarter, a divergence is still noticeable when these figures are adjusted for shifts in exchange rates. German exporters, therefore, are facing a significant problem: they are boosting sales but not making much money. This tactic works in the near term, but can be financially unsustainable in the long run.

Germany is not yet in crisis and many German companies are still sporting at least steady returns. But this report is as much a forecast as it is an analysis. We are looking for where the needle will just begin to waver, and the earnings reports of some large German companies produced some of the worrying observations we laid out above. The data, however, is not definitive in this case. We have constructed a model for how the German economy has functioned and is functioning today, and how Germany’s economic situation is going to be affected by the economic, social and political crises that span Eurasia. The proof of the suppositions made in this report will become evident when, in 2017, we begin to look at the 2016 data.

The Analogous Case and the Specter of Banks

The best analogy for the phenomenon we are now witnessing in Germany is Japan in the 1980s. Built on a debt-based economic model, also with a high savings rate, the Japanese economy needed substantial cash flow to service bank debts. They were relatively indifferent to rate of return on capital so long as cash flow was maintained. The Japanese maintained their export surge by cutting profit margins to near zero and on occasion beyond that. Their exports and the economy grew, but underneath it all, the Japanese were hollowing out their economy. The warning came in 1990 when the Bank of International Settlements warned Japan that its banks would be suspended from international transactions because of low reserves.

The Germans went in a similar direction for somewhat different reasons. The Germans fear unemployment. There is a shared memory of the 1920s when the middle class was shattered, and there is perennial fear of a repeat. In the 1990s, the integration of East Germany forced unemployment up. That caused considerable dislocation. The Germans had to maintain employment rates, but they could not consume more and, therefore, they had to expand exports – in the face of a global crisis of exporters.

The Germans adopted the Japanese solution, not as a national policy but as a strategy to assist major corporations. Daimler reported increasing sales and diminishing profit growth rates. That could have several meanings, but the most obvious is that the company was cutting prices and margins in order to increase sales. The Germans appear to be attempting to increase exports by decreasing return on capital.

This is something that can work, but only temporarily. The first signs of problems in Japan were in the banking system, where the decrease in margins became apparent in rising non-performing loans and increasing stress as government policy and banking requirements clashed.

It is noteworthy that the German banking system is already under pressure even before the crisis we are predicting in Germany has begun to fully unfold. The problem German banks have is rooted in the crisis of 2008, which as we noted earlier was made worse in Europe because of the EU’s inability to respond in a way that was conducive for all European economies. Germany was one of the net creditors in the system, and German banks are still exposed to many of the European countries that have not yet recovered in any meaningful way from 2008. Deutsche Bank currently has about $41.9 trillion worth of derivatives on its books, and in January 2016, Moody’s downgraded Deutsche Bank’s long-term debt and assigned a negative outlook to both the bank’s debt and deposit ratings. German banks are grappling with serious problems, especially with interest rates remaining low and Eurasia’s crises intensifying. Commerzbank’s 2016 first quarter net profits fell by 52 percent, while Deutsche Bank’s profits fell by 58 percent.

Compounding this banking problem is Italy. Our 2016 annual forecast predicted a potential crisis in the Italian banking sector this year due to the high rate of non-performing loans in Italian banks. Approximately 17 percent of outstanding loans, most from corporate borrowers, are non-performing. The Italian government, sometimes at odds with European Union regulations, is trying to cope with the country’s banking challenges. This is relevant to German banks because Germany’s exposure to Italian banks is roughly 120 billion euros ($138 billion), which is over 3 percent of its GDP. Also, a failure of the banking system in an economy the size of Italy’s (Europe’s fourth largest) would lead to a crisis in Europe much more serious than Greece.

The problems in Italian banks are not the result of export decline but of lending practices. In Germany, however, it is the export crisis that has the potential to disrupt the banking sector. There is no definitive evidence that German banks have yet begun to feel the ill effects of the export problem. But eventually, as German companies lose profits and can’t pay the banks, this will become a problem. As pressure builds on German banks, the challenges we are outlining in this report will be an added stressor and the banking system, already under intense strain, will face a significant burden.

Conclusion

Germany, one of the world’s largest exporters, is facing a global export crisis. The fact that it has not yet experienced an overall annual export decline is not a comforting thought. With Europe barely recovering from its economic stagnation, and other markets similarly constrained, German exports should decline. The fact that they haven’t, and that German banks are troubled in spite of cash flow, indicates that significant price adjustments are being made that affect the profit margins on these exports.

It appears that the problem of contracting exports is being postponed rather than solved. Germany’s high dependence on exports causes the German state, bankers and corporations to want to avoid export decline for as long as possible. Since exports are over 45 percent of Germany’s GDP, a 5 percent drop would result in a decline in GDP of more than 2 percent, which would have a staggering impact.

Therefore, the Germans are postponing this decline for as long as possible. However, delaying it compounds the problems in the long run, particularly on already weak German banks that may be forced to deal with delayed or restructured debt repayments.

The Germans are facing a profound financial crisis that can be postponed but not avoided. The world’s economy is stagnating, and exporters around the world are seeing declines. Germany has not so far. When it does, which is inevitable, the fourth largest economy in the world will suddenly see massive export contractions, declines in GDP and a significant financial crisis with global implications.

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Trade, Trump uses Chinese negotiating tactics against them
« Reply #217 on: July 17, 2018, 10:12:38 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-president-turns-the-tables-on-china-1531778651
The Chinese don't know how to handle all of the unpredictability. Important point, the Chinese want this trade dispute settled.

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« Reply #218 on: July 17, 2018, 03:41:49 PM »
See Globalization, Evolved

Amid rising U.S. trade pressure and protectionism, Japan and the European Union have struck a landmark trade agreement. The EU-Japan economic partnership, signed July 17 in Tokyo, will gradually remove protections on 99 percent of Japanese goods exported to the European Union and on 94 percent of EU exports to Japan. Under the deal's terms, the European Union will also zero out its 10 percent tariffs on Japanese automobiles over the next seven years. Japan, in turn, will immediately lift its 15 percent tariff on European wine and dramatically lower barriers to imports of beef, pork and cheese from the bloc.

Though the deal had been in the works for five years, it picked up steam in early 2017 after the election of U.S. President Donald Trump, who vowed to overhaul U.S. trade strategy. Trump's pledge to pull the United States out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership was especially worrisome for Japan because it had hoped the pact would boost its economy and its efforts to counterbalance China's runaway economic growth.

The EU-Japan trade deal reflects the redoubled efforts of both parties to forge partnerships that will help soften the blow of U.S. protectionism — and maybe encourage Washington to return to multilateral trade discussions. The United States' exit from the Trans-Pacific Partnership spurred Japan and the deal's other remaining 10 signatories to forge ahead with negotiations and sign an altered version of the agreement in March. The process required Tokyo to do the unpleasant work of going against Japan's agricultural lobby to lift long-standing protections on the farming industry. (The EU trade deal also could cost Japan's agricultural sector, though the potential losses didn't derail the agreement.)

Similarly, in its quest to sign as many free trade agreements as possible, the European Union has worked to streamline its internal decision-making process to remove obstacles that dogged past trade discussions. The bloc heeded the lessons it learned from ratifying its 2016 trade agreement with Canada to try to smooth out the approval process for the Japan deal and avoid blowback from member states. To that end, the European Union split the agreement with Japan into two parts, opting to negotiate separately the issues, such as investor-state dispute settlement, that would require parliamentary approval in each member state. It used the same approach to negotiate its trade agreement with Singapore, which is now undergoing ratification.

For the United States, these trade deals pose a risk. Though they won't freeze the country out of trade — and though the U.S. market is still attractive — the agreements will increase competition for the United States in the global economy. The European Union and Japan together account for 37 percent of annual trade by value, and the United States now will have to compete against them without the privileged access they have to each other's market

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Re: Trade: EU will negotiate with US
« Reply #219 on: July 19, 2018, 07:01:50 AM »
This is maybe too obvious to post, EU wants a trade deal with the US.  Otherwise, what is there downward path when they start at zero growth?

EU President Jean-Claude Juncker is expected to visit Washington next week with a significant offer on trade, White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow says.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/18/kudlow-says-expecting-significant-trade-offer-from-eu-soon.html

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Mankiw on Trade balances improving or deteriorating
« Reply #220 on: July 19, 2018, 07:42:31 AM »
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2018/07/a-plea-to-economics-journalists.html?m=1

A plea to economics journalists
I was recently reading an article by Greg Ip (one of best economics journalists around, by the way), and he used the following expression:
"the trade balance improved"
A quick google search finds this expression (and the related "the trade balance deteriorated") used many thousands of times by various writers.

I would like to ask everyone to please stop saying things like this. Write instead:
"the trade balance moved toward surplus"
I know that is wordier, but saying "the trade balance improved" lends credibility to the view that trade surpluses are always good and trade deficits are always bad. That is not true, of course, and I doubt Mr. Ip intended that interpretation. But in light of all the craziness going on lately with regard to trade policy, it is best not to inadvertently give aid and comfort to the crazies.

Doug:  You calculate international trade, a very important part of the economy, by adding imports to exports, not subtracting.

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Reagan on trade Wars
« Reply #221 on: July 19, 2018, 07:54:26 AM »
https://youtu.be/vzoP0u7bpKY
Reagan speaks on the principles of a trade war

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Re: Trump the mercantilist
« Reply #223 on: July 25, 2018, 08:40:48 AM »
https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/real-target-trumps-trade-war

I agree with the thrust of this article only if you take Trump literally at his words and assume he is stupid with no learning curve.

On the other hand, he has advisors who understand the role of trade, he has constituents who don't want higher taxes which tariffs and he knows his presidency will be judged by the growth of the economy and the Improvement in the standard of living.  Tariffs and trade wars tear down both our economic growth and our standard of living.

I believe the end game is no tariffs and that all these words and policies are a tactic to that end.

Trump said, trade wars are fun and can be easily won. Joking on fun and wrong on easily but right that this war started needs to be won.

Drop the mercantilism and the trade deficit BS and settle for a level playing field where the US can compete with anyone..

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Re: Trade, US and EU
« Reply #224 on: July 26, 2018, 10:01:31 AM »
Yesterday was the turning point where this bold and risky move is bringing positive results. The deal with the EU is not done but they solved some issues, made a truce and started saying allowed that no tariffs and no other barriers is the end of game.

We needed the EU on our side to win the fight with China. Done.

Go ahead and put your money back in the market.  )

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/25/president_trump_makes_trade_announcement_with_ec_president_junker.html

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Asia times: China caught off guard by trade War
« Reply #225 on: August 01, 2018, 06:33:47 AM »
 "a strategically calamitous development few in Beijing anticipated"

"while US stocks approach all-time highs and the dollar grows stronger, Chinese stocks are in a bear market, down 25% since January."

“The yuan had its worst single month ever in June and is well on its way to a repeat this month."

"while US stocks approach all-time highs and the dollar grows stronger, Chinese stocks are in a bear market, down 25% since January."

“Cooperation between the US and EU will squeeze China’s protectionist model, and even before this agreement, there’s been evidence that China is already running up the white flag."

http://www.atimes.com/article/china-caught-off-guard-as-us-trade-war-highlights-beijings-dilemma/

The US partnering with the EU against some unnamed protectionist third party, China, wasn't the turning point, it was the breaking point.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues:
« Reply #226 on: August 01, 2018, 08:49:10 AM »
That is a very interesting article.

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Re: Asia times: China caught off guard by trade War
« Reply #227 on: August 01, 2018, 09:33:42 AM »
"a strategically calamitous development few in Beijing anticipated"

"while US stocks approach all-time highs and the dollar grows stronger, Chinese stocks are in a bear market, down 25% since January."

“The yuan had its worst single month ever in June and is well on its way to a repeat this month."

"while US stocks approach all-time highs and the dollar grows stronger, Chinese stocks are in a bear market, down 25% since January."

“Cooperation between the US and EU will squeeze China’s protectionist model, and even before this agreement, there’s been evidence that China is already running up the white flag."

http://www.atimes.com/article/china-caught-off-guard-as-us-trade-war-highlights-beijings-dilemma/

The US partnering with the EU against some unnamed protectionist third party, China, wasn't the turning point, it was the breaking point.

So much winning!

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GPF: US-Mexico NAFTA negotiations
« Reply #228 on: August 11, 2018, 09:08:35 AM »
Mexico and the U.S. are talking rules of origin in NAFTA. Canada is sitting on the sidelines. The U.S. continues to play hardball, having reportedly refused to budge on its calls for 75 percent local content as a baseline, with 40-45 percent of regional content coming from high-wage zones (the U.S. and Canada). Washington is, moreover, now overtly linking the talks with potential tariffs on automobiles and auto parts. The U.S. proposal now includes a measure to exempt existing Mexican auto plants from the tariffs, which would still apply to any new Mexican auto plants. Mexican media indicate that Mexico is willing to be more flexible on rules of origin for automobiles with the U.S. in exchange for leeway in other areas – eliminating the sunset clause and keeping the dispute resolution mechanism, for example. Still, the current proposal is too steep even for Mexico, so bilateral talks on the issue will continue into next week. Meanwhile, Canada remains in direct contact with its counterparts but is staying out of it until its southern neighbors resolve the questions on automobiles. This doesn’t mean Washington has forgotten about Canada – President Donald Trump recently threatened Ottawa over its high tariffs and trade barriers. The current goal is for an agreement in principle by the end of the month. Meeting that goal will require some major concessions over the next couple of weeks.


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Stratfor: Trump, the Auto Industry, and NAFTA
« Reply #230 on: August 19, 2018, 10:29:07 PM »
How Trump's Tariffs Would Disrupt the North American Auto Industry
Ford Explorers leave a Chicago assembly plant during October 2017.
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    The United States could announce tariffs or quotas on imports of finished vehicles and auto parts in the next six months, which could very well raise the price of vehicles in the United States.

    Because of tightly integrated supply chains and extensive reliance on the U.S. market, automakers in Canada and Mexico will suffer as a result of any U.S. trade barriers that are imposed.

    The United States will use the threat of auto tariffs to negotiate stricter rules of origin requirements in the NAFTA talks. But even if Washington gets its way, it may still use tariffs to dissuade future automotive investments in Mexico.

    Tariffs and NAFTA concessions could threaten Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's 2019 re-election bid and cause Mexico's government to hold off on heavier social spending.

By using tariffs as a weapon in NAFTA negotiations, U.S. President Donald Trump could end up harming automotive networks that have taken decades to build. As home to one of the largest car-importing nations in the world, North America has attracted numerous companies supplying the U.S. market with Canadian and Mexican finished vehicles and parts. The size and complexity of the U.S. market has led to the sprouting of a network of supply chains across the continent — first to capitalize on Canadian manufacturing capacity and later to take advantage of far cheaper Mexican labor.

Now the Trump administration is weighing tariffs or quotas under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 to curb the import of automobiles and auto parts as a way to reduce the overall U.S. trade deficit and to protect the jobs of U.S. workers. The administration claims that excessive automotive imports are a threat to national security. The proposed tariffs are largely seen as a negotiating tactic for the North American Free Trade Agreement, so the Trump administration may very well back away from them, choosing instead to target South Korea, Japan or the European Union. But if they were implemented, companies across North America could see slowing sales and higher input costs, and the governments in Canada and Mexico could face problems. Furthermore, those automotive networks could face sustained damage as automakers realigned their long-term business strategies.
The Big Picture

As part of its drive to reduce trade deficits and protect domestic manufacturing, the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump is weighing whether to place tariffs or quotas on automotive imports. Such measures would have a heavy impact on the North American trade in vehicles and their components. The region's extensive supply chains and tightly connected automotive businesses would suffer from the barriers, because it would erode U.S. demand for vehicles and parts.

Growing Integration

Over the second half of the 20th century, North America became deeply intertwined with U.S. automotive manufacturing. The postwar U.S. economic boom drove the demand for more automobiles, which in turn opened export opportunities for Japan, Germany and North America. In 1965, Canada took the first steps toward greater integration of its auto industry with that of its southern neighbor by signing the Automotive Products Agreement. The deal led to the steady decline of tariff barriers for finished vehicles and their components, and it closely linked manufacturing plants in Ontario to U.S. auto manufacturing clusters in the Great Lakes states of Michigan and Ohio. Mexico followed nearly two decades later, removing all limits on foreign investment for automotive manufacturing and leveraging its relatively cheap factory labor years before its government signed NAFTA in 1993.

North America now has well-developed automotive manufacturing clusters and supply chains. Just under half of the 8.3 million new vehicles imported by the United States in 2017 came from Canada and Mexico. Most major automakers make vehicles in those two countries, and the overwhelming majority of production of components and finished vehicles in both countries is intended for final sale or integration into vehicles manufactured or sold in the U.S. market. Ninety-five percent of Canadian passenger vehicle export revenue is derived from the U.S. market, while Mexico relies on it for 70 percent of vehicle exports. Mexico is the leading supplier of engines, drive axles, suspension systems and steering wheels to the United States, as well as a major supplier of electrical wiring harnesses, gearboxes, brakes, radiators and seat belts. Canada is the leading supplier of clutches and gasoline engines to its southern neighbor, and it's the second largest supplier of suspension systems and drive axles.

A Monkey Wrench in the Works

In May, the White House directed the Department of Commerce to investigate the national security implications of excessive automotive imports. The investigation has until Feb. 17, 2019, to reach a finding, and the president subsequently has 90 days to decide whether to act. In the meantime, Congress has been moving to boost its power and limit the president's authority under Section 232, but the measure may not reach a vote before the Commerce Department's findings are revealed. If the report finds that auto imports harm national security, it will quickly become a major source of uncertainty for businesses across the region and the globe.

The investigation also introduced a new element into already complicated North American trade negotiations. Since early 2017, the White House has wielded the power of the presidency to attempt to remedy what it perceives as disadvantages that the United States faces in global trade. Until May, the main trade concern for North America's automotive sector was the administration's push to renegotiate NAFTA. For more than a year, the Trump administration has pressed Mexico and Canada to accept significantly higher requirements for rules of origin and higher wage requirements in the treaty.

If Ottawa and Mexico City accepted the U.S. demands, then cars produced in these countries would have to contain 75 percent North American content (as opposed to the current level of 62.5 percent) to qualify for tariff-free entry into the United States. About 40 percent of passenger cars and 45 percent of pickup trucks would have to be built in areas with a minimum factory wage of at least $16 an hour. As this requirement is phased in over a period of several years, it would cut the number of vehicles from Mexico that could enter free of U.S. tariffs. The administration's intent is to steadily reduce vehicle imports from Mexico, where it perceives low wages to be an unfair advantage. In a further complication for Mexico, the White House has signaled in NAFTA negotiations that it may exempt production from existing Mexican plants from Section 232 tariffs. Auto plants built after a yet-to-be-decided date could face tariffs.

A chart shows the sources for various auto parts for the U.S. market.

Auto Industry Collision

Depending on the severity of trade barriers or new NAFTA regulations, automakers operating in Canada and Mexico could be dealing with a major blow to their business plans by next year. The price of vehicles in the United States would rise, eroding sales. According to the Center for Automotive Research, the average vehicle price would increase by about $4,000 if a blanket tariff with no exemptions for either Canada or Mexico is applied. However, the Trump administration could choose to exempt auto parts from tariffs and place fees only on finished vehicles, thereby softening any price hike. The White House could also drop the tariff from the originally threatened 25 percent to a much lower level. Or Mexico and Canada could receive tariff exemptions to soften the negative effects on U.S. manufacturers and consumers. But exemptions are uncertain, and vehicles that do not qualify for tariff-free treatment under new NAFTA rules of origin could still get hit by heavier tariffs.

Other scenarios could also affect Canadian and Mexican exports. For example, if the United States implements a quota system on vehicle components or without country exemptions, the economic impact for Canada and Mexico could be more severe than with hefty tariffs alone. A quota would limit imports at a specific level, whereas a tariff would merely drive up the price of vehicles, but not necessarily erode exports as severely as a quota. Under a blanket quota system that limits imports to a specific level, NAFTA nations would feel a significant economic impact, though the severity would depend on the quota amount.
A chart compares the auto manufacturing wage in Mexico, Canada and the United States.

The Fallout in Mexico and Canada

Slowing or declining vehicle exports will be a fact of life under any scenario in which the United States forbids or limits exemptions for Canadian or Mexican vehicles and their components. But the impact of tariffs or quotas on Ottawa or Mexico City will extend beyond economic losses. In Mexico, the threat of Section 232 action on its auto exports will probably limit the ability of the next president, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, to pursue more ambitious social spending. His administration plans to boost youth work programs and pensions to cement its popularity among voters in future elections. But it most likely won't be able to create extensive, permanent social spending mechanisms to address the country's deep poverty without raising taxes. Yet hefty tax hikes that could spook foreign investors or further affect the country's private sector will probably be taken off the table if the Lopez Obrador administration finds itself trying to mitigate the impact of U.S. automotive trade barriers.

In Canada, the consequences could be electoral as well as economic. Even if the Trump administration is mainly using automotive tariffs as a negotiating tactic to get Canada to cave on NAFTA negotiations, the government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau may be in a no-win situation. Auto tariffs would be catastrophic for Canada's U.S.-dependent automotive manufacturing clusters. But to avoid tariffs, the Canadian government would likely have to accept the U.S. demands allowing it to opt out of the treaty's dispute-settlement mechanisms and calling for Canada to reduce import controls on agricultural products such as dairy and poultry. Even if Trudeau avoids automotive tariffs, he could pay the price at the polls in the 2019 parliamentary elections if he opens sensitive economic sectors to U.S. competition.

Section 232 tariffs will be a major part of the NAFTA trade landscape in 2019, but they are only part of the story. The NAFTA concessions that Washington gets from Ottawa and Mexico City, combined with automotive tariffs, could in the long run dissuade some automotive companies from major investments in either partner nation. This effect won't be universal — after all, there will be companies for which importing vehicles and components, despite heavy tariffs, will be an unavoidable part of doing business in North America. But over the next few months, the United States will likely get Canada and Mexico to agree to stricter rules of origin requirements and could leave some Mexican exports exposed to tariffs — even if they would qualify for tariff-free trade under the current system. The Trump administration is trying to shift the rules of North American automotive trade in its favor as much as possible, and in doing so, it may end up drastically altering investment decisions and trade patterns for years to come.

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New US Mexico 'NAFTA'? agreement
« Reply #231 on: August 28, 2018, 05:47:32 AM »
The improvements that favor the US, also favor Canada. It would be crazy for them to not sign on. Doug
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"At the rate things are going, this could be the shortest “trade war” on record."  John Hinderaker, Powerline
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/08/more-progress-on-trade.php

Under the changes agreed to by Mexico and the United States, car companies would be required to manufacture at least 75 percent of an automobile’s value in North America under the new rules, up from 62.5 percent, to qualify for Nafta’s zero tariffs. They will also be required to use more local steel, aluminum and auto parts, and have 40 to 45 percent of the car made by workers earning at least $16 an hour, a boon to both the United States and Canada and a win for labor unions, which have been among Nafta’s biggest critics.

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New North American Trade Agreement strengthens US position with China
« Reply #232 on: August 29, 2018, 10:30:16 AM »
"the trade agreement strengthens the US position to play hardball with China,"
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/the-us-mexico-trade-deal-may-be-bad-news-for-china-experts-say.html

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Re: Trade, Deal with Mexico includes protections against China
« Reply #233 on: September 01, 2018, 06:24:52 AM »
There are new provisions relating to digital content protections, intellectual property (IP) rights, trade secret safeguards and most notably, IP theft by state-sponsored enterprises.

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/404532-the-hidden-benefits-of-the-us-mexico-trade-deal



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GPF: US-Mexico NAFTA negotiations (Canada)
« Reply #236 on: September 07, 2018, 01:36:19 PM »

From the Forecast: “NAFTA negotiations are ongoing, but the probability of the trade deal ending and tariffs being restored is extremely low. All parties need the relationship. In the U.S., too many states benefit from trade with Mexico or Canada. Mexico is the top export market for California and Texas, which means the two largest congressional delegations are opposed to ending NAFTA. Regardless of what the president wants, the deadlock holds.”

Update: The agreement reached on Aug. 27 by the U.S. and Mexico was not overly surprising: At the beginning of the year, we expected NAFTA to survive in some form, and the two sides had been telegraphing that they were close to a deal for weeks. But the way the U.S. and Mexico chose to break the news that they had reached an agreement forced us to re-examine the forecast in its entirety. That’s because U.S. President Donald Trump floated the idea that NAFTA would turn into the U.S.-Mexico Free Trade Agreement and exclude Canada if Ottawa could not get its act together by Aug. 31.

At first, this seemed to cut against the grain of our forecast that NAFTA would survive. After all, NAFTA is a trilateral free trade agreement, and the U.S. was suggesting that it would become a bilateral one. Canada might be worked in, or the U.S. might sign a separate bilateral deal with Canada, or the two sides might not reach an agreement at all and the recent tariffs imposed by the U.S. and Canada might just be a prelude to a larger trade conflict. Mexico and the U.S. both made concessions in their agreement, but just by signing a deal, they also took substantial leverage away from Canada. Now, if NAFTA talks fail, the U.S. can blame it on Canada because, after all, U.S. compromises were good enough for Mexico.

As events have developed since the hastily made announcement, it has become clear that all of this was more the melodrama of a negotiation soap opera than a real break between the U.S. and Canada. Aug. 31 was an unrealistic deadline for talks of this scale and complexity. In other words, it was a negotiating tactic to try to force Canada into joining the agreement on the United States’ schedule. It was also a completely arbitrary deadline. Canada and the U.S. have until Oct. 1 to present an agreement to Congress – and Mexico’s economy minister has said a deal might be in place as soon as Sept. 7.

To be sure, both sides continue to talk tough. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said no NAFTA deal would be better than a “bad NAFTA deal.” Canadian negotiators have insisted on a dispute resolution mechanism similar to Chapter 19 in the current agreement and protections for Canadian cultural industries (like broadcast and print media). The U.S., meanwhile, has accused Canada of putting up barriers to protect its dairy industry and being unwilling to offer concessions on the issue. And Trump was quoted in a Canadian newspaper as saying he won’t offer any concessions to Canada – that was the apparent reason that negotiations ended last week without significant progress.

But the two sides are still talking. After breaking from negotiations on Aug. 31, high-level U.S. and Canadian representatives resumed talks this week. For all its bluster, the White House’s notification to Congress of its intention to sign a trade deal mentioned Canada – a notable shift from just a week prior, when the White House seemed poised to exclude Canada completely. The U.S. and Mexico were at an impasse for two months over issues related to the auto industry and a sunset clause, but there was enough political will on both sides to get a deal done. The U.S. and Canada have a tough few weeks of negotiations ahead of them, but all indications suggest that a compromise will be reached by the Oct. 1 deadline

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GPF: US-China
« Reply #237 on: September 15, 2018, 04:07:10 PM »
A day after U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin extended an invitation to his Chinese counterpart to hold another round of trade talks aimed at avoiding yet another escalation, the White House has apparently reversed course. According to Bloomberg, U.S. President Donald Trump has ordered his aides to proceed with implementing the next round of tariffs on Chinese exports – 25 percent targeting some $200 billion in goods. An announcement on the new tariffs is reportedly being delayed until the administration can finish a lengthy process of revisions based on objections made during the public comment period, which expired at the beginning of September. Implementation of this round was expected to be delayed until after the next Mnuchin-led talks could be held, which suggested that the White House may have been feeling the heat from U.S. trade and industry ahead of midterm elections, but this may no longer be the case. Regardless, both the U.S. and China are digging in for a protracted fight. The U.S. thinks it has all the leverage. China thinks the stakes are too high to cave.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues:
« Reply #238 on: September 16, 2018, 06:19:53 AM »
"A day after U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin extended an invitation to his Chinese counterpart to hold another round of trade talks aimed at avoiding yet another escalation, the White House has apparently reversed course."

Offer and acceptance in basic contract law, the offer is open until accepted, rescinded or expired.  Key phrase above is "a day after".  When someone makes you a good offer in your best interest, say yes, not I'll think about it.  Add game theory and Trump theory to theory to that and the idea is to keep the other party off balance, not ever knowing what you will do next until a deal is done.  Trump  could have paid Woodward to write that book telling Un, Putin and Xi that he is nuts.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues: Mead, USMCA
« Reply #239 on: October 03, 2018, 02:21:13 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-instincts-triumph-on-trade-1538433226

OPINION  GLOBAL VIEW
Trump’s Instincts Triumph on Trade
His unconventional methods didn’t lead to the catastrophe critics promised.
 
By Walter Russell Mead
Oct. 1, 2018
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 U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement requires that cars be made with 75% North American components to escape tariffs. Forty percent of each car must also be manufactured in facilities where workers earn $16 an hour or more on average. Crucially, Canada has also cracked open the door to its dairy markets for American farmers.
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WSJ: A Trade War America can't afford to lose
« Reply #241 on: October 04, 2018, 08:29:20 AM »
A Trade War America Can’t Afford to Lose
The stakes are so high, a Nafta-like rewrite would be a disaster.
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By Jeff Moon
Oct. 3, 2018 7:00 p.m. ET
A factory worker in Wuxi, China, Sept. 16.
A factory worker in Wuxi, China, Sept. 16. Photo: aleksandar plavevski/epa-efe/rex/EPA/Shutterstock

President Trump has raised the stakes so high in his China trade war that he can’t afford to lose. If he comes away with anything less than a deal guaranteeing significant, verifiable reforms to Beijing’s mercantilist trading practices, he risks imperiling American business prospects in China for years.

A settlement that merely tinkers with the status quo—like the recent reworking of the North American Free Trade Agreement—would spell long-term political and economic disaster. The Chinese know that future U.S. presidents are unlikely to match Mr. Trump’s rhetoric and personal political investment in the trade issue. Beijing would interpret any unfulfilled threat from Mr. Trump as proof that it need never yield to U.S. trade demands, having shown it can withstand maximum American economic pressure. Chinese leaders will conclude that they have survived the Americans’ best effort to pry open their markets. They will then feel free to perpetuate indefinitely their discriminatory trading practices and industrial policies.

History provides a cautionary tale. President Clinton threatened during the post-Tiananmen period to condition China’s most-favored-nation trading status on its progress on human-rights issues. After much wrangling, Mr. Clinton realized he had overplayed his hand. He backed down in 1994, leaving the affair as the high-water mark of American pressure on China over human rights. The issue subsequently receded into the background of the bilateral relationship, to the point that the Trump administration now raises human rights with the Chinese as an afterthought, if at all.

The American business community appears not to appreciate fully that precedent, and they underestimate the danger ahead. Businesses and trade associations overwhelmingly have opposed Mr. Trump’s tariff policy, and they hope to avoid short-term pain by pressuring the president to withdraw the tariffs. But the long-term stakes of the trade war have increased now that Mr. Trump has escalated the conflict beyond the point of no return. If Mr. Trump now settles the fight he has picked with China for little or nothing, he will signal that China can ignore longstanding demands into the indefinite future, along with any threats seeking a level playing field for U.S. businesses in the Chinese market.

Mr. Trump is living out the old maxim that you need to be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. Now that he has the trade war he so vigorously sought, he bears ultimate responsibility for his gamble over America’s trade with China. He better win, or else.

Mr. Moon is a China trade consultant and former assistant U.S. trade representative for China.

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Re: WSJ: A Trade War America can't afford to lose
« Reply #242 on: October 05, 2018, 08:57:24 AM »
If I understand him correctly, we need to pull together as a nation and prevail, whatever it takes.  I agree.

Argue all we want about whether Trump should have picked this fight at this time, the fight is on.

The Mexico Canada deal is a victory for Trump. It is not a perfect political or economic document, but he picked a fight, made it better, and got it done
If he can finish resolving the issues with Europe, keep our economy roaring and mostly survive the midterms, then all the pressure is back on China.

The China trade issue and the North Korean nuclear issue can be solved all at once, once China is ready. If America doesn't cave first.

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Re: WSJ: A Trade War America can't afford to lose
« Reply #243 on: October 05, 2018, 02:28:21 PM »
If I understand him correctly, we need to pull together as a nation and prevail, whatever it takes.  I agree.

Argue all we want about whether Trump should have picked this fight at this time, the fight is on.

The Mexico Canada deal is a victory for Trump. It is not a perfect political or economic document, but he picked a fight, made it better, and got it done
If he can finish resolving the issues with Europe, keep our economy roaring and mostly survive the midterms, then all the pressure is back on China.

The China trade issue and the North Korean nuclear issue can be solved all at once, once China is ready. If America doesn't cave first.

Exactly!

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GPF: USMCA clause against deals with China
« Reply #244 on: October 13, 2018, 11:42:34 AM »
The fallout of NAFTA’s successor continues to spread. Despite a clause in the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement all but prohibiting members from making future free trade agreements with China, Ottawa and Mexico City are still pursuing stronger economic ties with Beijing. Bloomberg reported that Canada and China are still looking for ways to increase bilateral trade. Earlier this week, their foreign ministers discussed the trade and legal frameworks of the World Trade Organization and the USMCA. And in Mexico, the Zhonghua Business Association said the new North American free trade deal would only encourage further Chinese investment in Mexico. The two countries, in fact, will hold a business forum and expo early next month in Mexico City. It’s unlikely that the U.S. could introduce similar anti-China commerce clauses in other trade agreements, but it may try for less aggressive provisions against China. The stipulation in the USMCA prohibiting currency manipulation, for instance, may become a regular feature of future U.S. trade deals. U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said including such a clause should be considered a best practice – one that Washington would use in its current trade negotiations with Japan and in other talks with parties such as the EU.

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Trade Issues: China is ready to talk
« Reply #245 on: November 06, 2018, 09:47:56 AM »
China ready to resolve trade differences with US now that Trump's midterms are over.
Who could have seen that coming?
https://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=2563.msg112919#msg112919
"If [Trump] can...survive the midterms, then all the pressure is back on China."
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China is ready to talk to resolve US trade war, says Vice-President Wang Qishan
The two countries ‘wish to expand cooperation’ and Beijing is prepared to ‘push for a proposal acceptable to both sides’
Tuesday’s speech strikes similar themes to those in Xi Jinping’s address a day earlier

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/2171856/china-ready-talk-resolve-us-trade-war-vice-president-wang
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China's last chance for a US surrender has passed, at least for the next 6 years of Trump.  They need a deal with Trump.  This won't be easy but needs to be done now.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues: zero for zero
« Reply #246 on: November 15, 2018, 07:40:22 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mr-president-its-time-for-zero-tariffs-1539816089?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/oUCFU1MIuC

The “zero for zero” offer should include three components: zero tariffs, zero subsidies and zero nontariff barriers.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues:
« Reply #247 on: November 15, 2018, 07:54:50 PM »
The US policy should boil down to: Whatever you give us, we give you.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues:
« Reply #248 on: November 15, 2018, 08:18:37 PM »
A.K.A. "Tit for tat" which is, coincidentally, the best strategy when the "Prisoner's Dilema" game repeats.

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Re: Trade and Globalization Issues:
« Reply #249 on: November 16, 2018, 06:11:36 AM »
The US policy should boil down to: Whatever you give us, we give you.

Except that what we give them tor tariffs is a tax that hurts our consumers and businesses.

Imports and exports already compete with the with local goods with the disadvantage of shipping charges, such as selling US made cars in Germany or China where they make cars locally.

The right answer is zero, zero, zero for tariffs, subsidies and non-tariff barriers.  As we match or respond disproportionately or shut off unfair trade altogether, we need to articulate that the right answer for prosperity on both sides is zero.  The trade war either ends at (or very near) zero, or it ends in poverty for all.  Closed economies fail and one-sided US openness is a thing of the past.