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Re: whistleblower rules changed for intelligence people this past yr
« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2019, 04:22:21 PM »
This is outrageous:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/09/27/oh-so-thats-why-the-trumpukraine-whistleblower-complaint-is-loaded-with-errors-n2553847

Yes, more here:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/

"Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting."
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If it doesn't go through Congress and get signed by the President, how is it a law?


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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2019, 04:41:44 PM »
The left is responsible for the tone. Aside from the massive criminality under Obama/Biden, the calls for impeachment started BEFORE Trump was even sworn in.


"Republicans are different.  If Trump did commit a high crime, he's out.  We turn on our own all the time."

Last I heard Hawley still against impeachment but states will have to wait and see...........

Trump fucked himself over on this one.
But I still fight because if he goes down all of us on the right will too as does the nature of our country.

Just too much at stake as great one Levin says.

I like Pence but I don't have confidence he has the charisma to carry on.

Trump's inability to be gracious turned what should be a great Presidency into a totally controversial never ending mud wrestling / MMA fight.

If only.....

I stand to fight on.......  no choice.

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2019, 05:59:24 PM »
GM points out:

"The left is responsible for the tone. Aside from the massive criminality under Obama/Biden, the calls for impeachment started BEFORE Trump was even sworn in."

Absolutely.

That agreed upon ,
I could be wrong here,  but believe if Trump had only played even a modest of  the persona of being "above  it all", and more traditionally "Presidential"  and stop making people who leave his administration into personal extreme enemies ( no one is going to come to HIS funeral), and repulsed even a few of the rinos etc.,   I sincerely believe his approval ratings would be 10 to 20 % higher.

That said,

 it is all too late now.

We, who want him to win, are left having to clean up after him.

He could not have made it any harder to do.

And like Rush said, the republicans simply don't know how to dig in like the crats.

 The crats and their media arm of the party will keep "leaking" damaging information every day or few days for the next month which is why they drag this out till "the end of October"  to have time to persuade and rogue Repubs and the electorate we must  impeach.  I am very worried the REpubs who usually cave will do it again for the thousandth time.

No thanks to the liked of Paul Ryan.  I wonder how much they pay him to go to monthly or quarterly board meetings.
back stabber.









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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2019, 08:20:01 PM »
Yup.

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Peggy Noonan On Ukrainegate
« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2019, 09:32:23 PM »



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Pelosi thinks she has Trump’s number. She may be right, though Biden won’t escape this scandal.
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Every time I imagine Elizabeth Warren debating Donald Trump, I picture him rumbling onto the stage like a big white bear—roaring “Grrr grrrr,” towering over her, paws flailing, claws extended. She’ll stand there looking up at him in the lights, and you’ll wonder if she’s trembling, cowering, because clearly she’s about to be crushed. And then she’ll take a brisk step forward and punch him hard and sharp in the kidney. And he’ll howl—“Aarrrrggg!”—because he’s surprised and it hurts and he assumed he’d easily chase her around the stage.

She’ll say, “Mr. President, I know everyone’s supposed to be afraid of you and your rough ways, but I don’t find you so tough. And I’m not afraid of you.” (Transcript: “Applause, cheers.”) Then she’ll call him soft, corrupt, incompetent—a phony martyr who doesn’t respect his own supporters enough to fake respectability.
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He’ll call her a left-wing nut who’ll ruin the economy, destroy capitalism, kill our greatness, steal our private health insurance.

We’ll be off. And no one will know where it’s going.

That is my impeachment thought: Nobody knows where this is going. The politically obsessed may think they do, but something wild and unpredictable has been let loose. The charges are serious and credible. But America is as divided as it was in 2016, America is still in play, and it’s all up for grabs.

Everything, the entire outcome, will depend on public opinion.

The charge is that the American president went to the leader of Ukraine and invited him to take part in the 2020 presidential election by investigating one of the president’s likely competitors. Mr. Trump might have added pressure by delaying U.S. aid.

What is immediately striking is that no one who has spoken in defense of the president, including his spokesmen, has said these words: “Donald Trump would never do that!” Or, “That would be unlike him!” That will be the president’s problem as public opinion develops: everyone knows he would do it, everyone knows it is like him. There’s no mystique of goodness to be destroyed.

If everything depends on public opinion then a lot depends on how the House comports itself. Will the Democrats be sober, steady, fair-minded? Or will they be disorganized divas who play to their base and win over no one else? Are they capable of rising to the moment?

The guess here is that articles of impeachment will be drawn, presented and pass the House.

Impeachment is a grave constitutional and governmental act, but it is also a political one that requires public support. Speaker Nancy Pelosi has calculated that the case is strong and the people will come along. She wouldn’t have moved forward if she didn’t think she was going to win. The president is wrong when he says she’s finally bowed to the mad progressives of her party, who are so colorfully belligerent, who last summer pushed to impeach William Barr and last week wanted to impeach Brett Kavanaugh. Mrs. Pelosi is an attentive vote-counter and a practical pol. I think she’s moving now because she thinks she got him and the jig is up.

At an off-the-record meeting in New York Monday, the night before she announced the impeachment push, she looked like someone whose old hesitation was gone. In its place was the joy of the hunt.

As for the Senate, the understandable and previously reliable common wisdom was that Republicans there will keep the needed 67 votes for conviction from materializing. That’s probably still likely, but it’s no sure thing. Tuesday the Senate voted unanimously for the whistleblower’s complaint to be made public. (On Thursday it was.) Senators didn’t say, “This is just another partisan witch hunt. Grrr grrr.” Why not? Because the charges were serious and they couldn’t refuse to ask for more information. Because they wanted to signal to the White House that they couldn’t accept the idea that aid to Ukraine could have been held up over something like this. Because they had to assume more bad information was coming. And because they’re four years into the Trump era and are tired of having to excuse and explain everything the president does that is surprising, illogical, unprofessional, dubious.

Most of them wouldn’t miss him if he were gone. They’d happily peel off if public opinion back home seemed to shift.
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Among Trump supporters right now, the Ukraine story would look like a Washington-centric phony drama—more partisan nonsense, business as usual, ignore it. But if the story gets bad, if it comes to be thought of as a real national-security question, as the whistleblower charged in his report, they will pay attention and care.

So much depends on who’s called to testify and what they say and how ugly a picture they paint.

Wholly anecdotal but perhaps significant, I heard this week from two separate Trump supporters, one in the past passionate, the other whose support was always softer, who shared their dismay at the Ukraine story. Both said these words: “Maybe Pence wouldn’t be so bad.” They were exhausted by the drama and wrongness. Why not the man with the soft white hair?

In the end, in purely practical political terms, the one person who will be hurt by this story will be Joe Biden. Every telling of this story necessitates pointing out that Mr. Biden’s son Hunter had cozy financial relationships with other countries, including Ukraine. It’s real swamp stuff. It looks bad, say the former vice president’s friends. No, it is bad.

It is infuriating that members of America’s leadership class so often show themselves to the world as self-enriching. As a nation we spent the 20th century presenting ourselves to the world as a truly moral leader, a self sacrificing country, one to be looked up to. In the 21st century our political figures and their families too often look like scrounging grifters—Americans with connections who can be hired, who leverage connections to fame for profit. There’s a fairly constant air of soft corruption, of an easy, seamy reality of big-power back scratching.

It makes America look bad. It makes us look weak and craven, like we can be bought.

There should be something called the Class Act. If you have any class, you don’t profit financially from a relative in power in the world’s greatest democracy. You don’t embarrass your country that way. Because, you know, you have class. You’re lucky to be from a respected family. A president or vice president might say, “It’s unfair to make my child sacrifice a deal because of what his father does!” Actually, no one asked you to ask for power; no one told you to want it. If you get it, it’s an honor. Do your job. Yes, your family should sacrifice, as should you.

The story of Hunter Biden and his business adventures isn’t new, and yet sometimes stories come alive in new ways. This one will probably come into focus for a while and be emblematic of the swamp.

Joe Biden probably thought it was old news, already dissected and dismissed. But it’s back, and will hit him like a kidney punch.



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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2019, 08:06:58 PM »
Here is a link to 50 USC Sec 3033.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033

The person claiming whistleblower status is claiming status under this law.

In the letter dated 21 August, this person claims to be bringing forward a matter of urgent concern as protected by this law.  Specifically 50 USC Sec 3033(k)(5)(A).

This section applies specifically to an employee of an element of the intelligence community, an employee assigned or detailed to an element of the intelligence community, or an employee of a contractor to the intelligence community.

This person is also claiming to be presenting a matter of "urgent concern" to Congress. 

"Urgent concern" is defined in 50 USC Sec 3033 (k)(5)(G).   The things that fall under this law are:  a) a serious or flagrant problem; b)abuse; c) violation of law or Executive Order; or d) a deficiency.  These things must be "relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity."

Differences of opinion on policy matters are specifically excluded from meeting the definition of an "urgent concern."

And this intelligence activity must be under the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence.

The complaint is not about activity related to an intelligence activity.  It is about foreign policy. 

And, the complaint is not about something under the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence.  The complaint concerns things happening under the authority of the President of the United States. 

I don't think this person meets the requirements of presenting a matter of urgent concern.




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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2019, 01:42:48 AM »
Eye rolls apart, what is the answer to this?


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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2019, 06:03:41 AM »
Link to opinion from Office of Legal Counsel finding that pseudo-whistleblower complaint is not a matter of urgent concern and whistleblower has no right to bring his complaint to Congress.

https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/5f9e761a-68b1-4faf-88ff-a18f462005ab/note/732946be-0742-4e91-9e6b-2f4bac91565f.pdf#page=1

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Ukrainian Affairs Whistleblower identified
« Reply #65 on: September 30, 2019, 06:54:35 AM »
Sources say the "whistleblower" is REO Speedwagon singer Kevin Cronin, who...
Heard it from a friend who...
heard it from a friend who...
heard it from a friend you've been messin' around.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/09/the-week-in-pictures-whistleblower-edition.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiu-KiKNM08


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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #66 on: September 30, 2019, 08:52:13 AM »
Eye rolls apart, what is the answer to this?

Your Glenn Beck post that follows answers it quite well.  Follow the timing, follow the money, follow the decisions made.  Smell the Joe Biden - Hunter Biden rat.  Hunter was the loose cannon, but that doesn't mean VP Joe wouldn't do anything for his son.  His statement that he had no idea what his son was up to is beyond laughable and he is hurting all the Democrats who stand by him,  cf.  Kamala Harris:  "Leave Joe Biden out of this."  Investigate Republicans endlessly but leave Joe Biden alone?  Another smell test problem...

There had to be some rationale for why Joe Biden bragged publicly about getting the prosecutor fired.  This reporter provides a possible rationale for the technocrats  to cling to.   Meanwhile everyone else knows the son was there cashing in on his Dad's clout and everything his Dad did happened to help that.  People hate that kind of thing. 

The legal point must be that this obvious, inappropriate relationship has no smoking gun for prosecuting either one of them, so the story and the stench just lingers.

If AG Barr indicted and prosecuted one or both Bidens on circumstantial evidence charges, it would be horrible political optics for Trump and the Republicans.  Both Bidens can do far more harm to their own causes by continuing to run free. 

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Ukraine scandal: What is a "Whistleblower"?
« Reply #67 on: September 30, 2019, 09:25:46 AM »
Democrats like to destroy words in our language.  "Whistleblower" is a sports analogy, right?  The referee sees a rules violation and blows the whistle.  People love to hate the refs because they don't call what they don't see.  "Ref, are you blind?!"  And they don't ask bystanders what they saw.

What we have in the Ukraine case is a 'Hearsay Complaint' that mixes opinions and emotions with what others reportedly saw and heard.  Nothing criminal or wrongful witnessed firsthand was reported.

Now the referees are players/operatives.  Their job is to move the ball forward, not to be impartial.  The Hearsayer hands it off to the Committee with their team in the media and off they go!

Take Adam Schiff's appearance on "This Week with George Stephanoupolus" yesterday for example.  The two of them were able to use the word "whistleblower" 18 times in a 2 minute drill and close to 30 times total over the course of the show -  all to describe someone who did not qualify as a whistleblower until the definition was changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Ay2sNhBTs
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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #69 on: September 30, 2019, 04:04:01 PM »
Eye rolls apart, what is the answer to this?

Why was Snorty Biden employed by the Ukraine entity? Did they have excess cocaine they needed to be rid of ? Aside from being the son of the Vice President of the US, what does he bring to the table to justify his incredible compensation?

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #70 on: September 30, 2019, 07:13:34 PM »
Link to opinion from Office of Legal Counsel finding that pseudo-whistleblower complaint is not a matter of urgent concern and whistleblower has no right to bring his complaint to Congress.

https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/5f9e761a-68b1-4faf-88ff-a18f462005ab/note/732946be-0742-4e91-9e6b-2f4bac91565f.pdf#page=1

Thank you Rick.  It's always nice to have the actual document posted here.
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Re: HearsayBlower Complaint Form
« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2019, 05:40:09 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/politics/donald-trump-inspector-general-whistleblower-complaint-conspiracy-fact-check/index.html

I'm glad this side is brought to our attention.  It's hard to say that, "Experts say..." only settle it or that CNN stating "This is false" is persuasive.  We will need the rest of the information and shouldn't jump early on that just as the impeachment people shouldn't have jumped before receiving facts. 

"although the submission form that whistleblowers from the intelligence community fill out was revised in August 2019..."

   - Why was it changed in August?  There was no Act of Congress issued in August on this.  Who writes these rules?  Who made the change?  What was the change?  Did it have ANYTHING to do with THIS complaint?

"Experts say..."   

   - That how we do fact check now?  Professional journalism?

"in order for the inspector general to determine that the concern is credible "the IC IG must be in possession of reliable, first-hand information." "

   - Of which the hearsayblowers complaint is not.

Adam Schiff et al are on the  tube making endless false claims.  We need to be careful too.

As I understand it, this phone call was classified.  Someone committed a crime by telling details to this hearsayblower.  The blower worked with high level experts to make and shape his complaint.  Was that a crime, the further sharing of leaked classified information?  The form might or might not have been changed in that period to raise the significance of an insignificant event.  If so, who was involved?  Was it the same people that investigate the complaint?  Either way, it was not firsthand information and it was not an urgent matter.  In the document Rick posted, this complaint was determined on Sept 3 to NOT be an urgent matter.  The blower or the handlers of the blowers got the complaint to the committee who sat on it, strategized, and then went public.  Trump immediately admitted mentioning Biden in the phone call and declassified and released the transcript of the phone call taking all the air out of the tires on this inquiry.  The complaint itself was released and also the Opinion of the Office of Legal Counsel that it was not an urgent concern was released.  The mystery is gone; we know what he said and didn't say.
 The content of the phone call had nothing wrong, strange or criminal in it.  After the greetings and congratulations, an ally talked with an ally about investigating corruption that has been all over the news in both countries.  A particularly famous name in the most egregious part of it was mentioned.  Should he have mentioned Biden's name?  No.  But... NO ONE SAID MAKE UP DIRT.  NO ONE SAID AID WOULD BE WITHHELD FOR THIS PURPOSE.  People were talking about conducting real investigations about real corruption THAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO.  Was there another plausible reason why aid was temporarily held up?  Yes.  Again, Rick posted it, sourced by Reuters and the WSJ.  National Security Director Bolton had a American national security concerns over the purchase of a company in Ukraine by China.  It is ordinary and common practice to use aid as leverage for help on other matter of national interest?  Yes.  It's done all the time.  Was this all an organized attempt to turn something of otherwise zero significance into an impeachable offense, just like the meeting at Trump tower, just like the Steele Dossier, just like the FISA scandal?  Yes.


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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2019, 10:12:23 AM »
Nothing says "Urgent Concern" like a Congressional Recess for the first two weeks into it.

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2019, 04:44:47 PM »
White House ordered security upgrades storing information in the Spring of 2018 to stop leaks. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/01/white-house-trump-leaks-code-015194

"The changes came months after entire transcripts of President Trump’s calls with the leaders of Australia and Mexico were leaked to the Washington Post, setting off a furious internal search for the source of the unauthorized disclosures and widening the mistrust between the president and his own staff."

Pseudo-whistleblower's complaint claimed that extraordinary measures were taken just for this call.

"White House officials told me that they were "directed" by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the computer system in which such transcripts are typically stored for coordination, finalization, and distribution to Cabinet-level officials.
Instead, the transcript was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature. One White House official described this act as an abuse of this electronic system because the call did not contain anything remotely sensitive from a national security perspective."

This is really a complaint about the heightened security established in 2018 after the same types of employees leaked the complete MEMCONs of conversations between Trump and the former Presdient of Mexico and the President of Australia.




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More on Snorty Biden
« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2019, 11:43:18 PM »

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Schiff about to hit the fan?
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2019, 02:17:50 PM »
From RickN:

NYT just reporting that fake whistleblower coordinated and colluded with Schiff and his staff for several weeks before his complaint became public.

So, now, we may have an impeachment inquiry that could constitute an obstruction of the Durham investigation into the origins of the Russia collusion hoax.

I am starting to see a grand jury subpoena in Congressman Schiff's future.  Remember, no elected official is above the law.  And members of Congress are only immune for actions and statements made on the floor of Congress.

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levin: Schiff has been working with whistlefelatist
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2019, 02:25:21 PM »
From 5 days ago:

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/levin-adam-schiff-knows-exactly-whistleblower/

This whole thing is coordinated with the Dems the media and the rest .


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Re: levin: Schiff has been working with whistlefelatist
« Reply #80 on: October 02, 2019, 03:41:03 PM »
From 5 days ago:

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/levin-adam-schiff-knows-exactly-whistleblower/

This whole thing is coordinated with the Dems the media and the rest .

Yes.  Hard to say if seeing it published in the NYT now makes it better sourced.     :wink:

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #81 on: October 03, 2019, 06:28:47 AM »
Other things to consider about this fake whistleblower complaint.

1.  An employee of the intelligence community can only contact a congressional committee directly in order to report an "urgent concern."  50 USC Sec 3033(k)(5)(A).

2.  An "urgent concern" must relate to "the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity that is within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence involving classified information."  50 USC Sec 3033(k)(5)(G).

3.  An employee of the intelligence community can contact one or both congressional intelligence committees only if he gives notice of this intent to the Director through the IG before making any contact; and, along with this notice provides the IG with a statement of the complaint or information that he will be giving to Congress.  50 USC Sec 3033(k)(5)(D)(ii)(I).

4.  Any member of the committees or one of its employees who receives a complaint or information is acting in his or her official capacity regardless of the circumstances of the contact.  50 USC Sec 3033(k)(5)(D)(iii).

5.  Zelensky was elected President of Ukraine on 21 April 2019.  He assumed office on 20 May 2019.

6.  The actual complaint released by Schiff's committee says, "Over the past four months, over half a dozen officials have informed me" about efforts to pressure Ukraine. 

7.  The date of the cover letter to the committee is 12 August.  The date of the complaint on the new form created in late August is September 2019.

8.  Thus, all of this behind the scenes chatter about "pressuring Ukraine" began at about the time Zelensky was elected and assumed the presidency in Ukraine. 

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #82 on: October 03, 2019, 06:45:38 AM »
But Rick,

The LEFT wing media already is pointing out that the Right is disputing the "process " of the complaint and not the "content".

So they ignore this and move on ......

How do we counter this?

The only way respond to counter  seems to be to point out Democrats have done exactly the same thing and in effect started this whole cascade of events:

1) Biden family etc
2) three senators sending letter to Ukraine
3) Obama's administration using Ukraine to find dirt on Trump
4) Clinton campaign doing same (Steele Dossier)

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Ukrainian Affair, MSNBC turning on Adam Schiff
« Reply #83 on: October 03, 2019, 08:43:56 AM »
I will say, this puts him in some trouble. He clearly wasn't being forthright in that interview with us a couple weeks ago. And he should have been."

   - Sam Stein, Daily Beast Political Editor, on Morning Joe, MSNBC

Transcript from 9/17/19:
ADAM SCHIFF: "We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower. We would like to."
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Amazing that Democrats couldn't find one person more honest than Trump to lead the investigation.  Schiff lied and made stuff up in the Russia hoax.  MSNBC was burned badly on that.  Schiff has been lying and making stuff up for decades; anyone following his career knows that.

Former Rep John Campbell of Orange County Calif on Hugh Hewitt radio, paraphrasing:  I used to do radio debates with Adam Schiff on Los Angeles public radio.  He would say things I hadn't heard before.  I would ask my staff to look these things up and found out over time that he would just make things up to support his points.  He would lie so convincingly that he would no doubt pass a lie detector test.  After a time I had to quit the show.  How do you argue with someone like that?


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whistleblower
« Reply #85 on: October 03, 2019, 03:40:17 PM »
a Democrat

no kidding - isn't it obvious:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/10/03/cnns-tapper-whistleblower-a-registered-democrat/

A crat working with crat lawyers other crats in the administration , in Congress, and likely some in the CIA .

who could have guessed . 

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another outrage
« Reply #86 on: October 03, 2019, 03:43:54 PM »
the whistle felatist is getting donor money for his "lawyers"

if this does not smell of DC Dem lawyer chicanery :

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/03/nonpartisan-group-aiding-lawyers-for-whistleblower-tied-to-democrats-far-left-organizations/

Wait , I thought this all about saving democracy !  :wink:  :x

the lawyer sets up a go fuck trump page so he can get the funds to pay himself?  what?

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Re: WhistleGate
« Reply #87 on: October 03, 2019, 04:35:56 PM »
... getting donor money for his "lawyers"

I wonder what kind of legal trouble he* is in?  Filing a false federal report?

*   We were saying he or she but Adam Schiff called the hearsayblower a 'he', and he ought to know!

How much do they need to raise - to pay for free legal?  Was "free legal for whistleblowers" false advertising or do they also think he is not a 'whistleblower?

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They are trying to hide this tweet!
« Reply #88 on: October 03, 2019, 05:36:53 PM »

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Rick Perry
« Reply #89 on: October 03, 2019, 05:38:17 PM »
I forgot all about this guy and didn't even remember he was energy secretary

rumor he is resigning due to Ukrainian ties:


https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rickperry-resign/2019/10/03/id/935580/

My question is what the hell is going on with all this Ukrainian BS?
All our people are over their taking bribes or what.    :x

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A little help please
« Reply #90 on: October 03, 2019, 08:49:38 PM »
I am in debate with a wily prof on FB and having trouble answering this question.

What is the legal basis for Giuliani being involved with pressing the Ukes the Biden Grifting Operation?
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Re: A little help please
« Reply #92 on: October 03, 2019, 09:01:33 PM »
I am in debate with a wily prof on FB and having trouble answering this question.

What is the legal basis for Giuliani being involved with pressing the Ukes the Biden Grifting Operation?

Why would you want to have someone you trusted who had a long history of successful investigations of organized crime and corruption as a federal prosecutor looking into this issue?

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #93 on: October 03, 2019, 09:16:25 PM »
Outstanding rejoinder GM!

That said, my question refers to the legal basis.  For example there is the treaty between the Ukes and us allowing/calling for cooperation (posted earlier in this thread) but it specifies the DOJ headed by the AG.

RG is completely outside this structure.

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #94 on: October 03, 2019, 09:39:54 PM »
Outstanding rejoinder GM!

That said, my question refers to the legal basis.  For example there is the treaty between the Ukes and us allowing/calling for cooperation (posted earlier in this thread) but it specifies the DOJ headed by the AG.

RG is completely outside this structure.

Without wading through the US Code, I do recall that Nixon appointed Elvis to be a Special Agent at Large for the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (Precursor to the DEA). How is it that as Chief Executive, Trump doesn't have the authority to appoint Giuliani to act with the authority of the USDOJ, which is at least in theory is under his control as it's part of the executive branch of the federal government? I was once going to be sworn in as a Special Deputy US Marshal because I was part time working with a USMS violent criminal task force. Most local/state level cops working with federal task forces get those appointments while on the task force.

Is the professor citing the doctrine of "Orange man bad!" ?

Ok, I waded through the US code anyway:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/542

28 U.S. Code § 542. Assistant United States attorneys
U.S. Code

(a) The Attorney General may appoint one or more assistant United States attorneys in any district when the public interest so requires.
(b) Each assistant United States attorney is subject to removal by the Attorney General.
(Added Pub. L. 89–554, § 4(c), Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 618.)

Rudy, Special AUSA at large (Snorty Biden UKE corruption task force)

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #96 on: October 03, 2019, 09:41:35 PM »
Nice find GM!

My clever prof adversary will nitpick though and ask whether AG has so appointed him , , ,

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #97 on: October 03, 2019, 09:46:06 PM »
Nice find GM!

My clever prof adversary will nitpick though and ask whether AG has so appointed him , , ,

Ask the professor what statute requires a formal appointment beyond a presidential directive. The burden of proof is on him.

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Re: The Ukrainian Affairs And Biden-China
« Reply #98 on: October 04, 2019, 07:49:26 AM »
Nice find GM!
My clever prof adversary will nitpick though and ask whether AG has so appointed him , , ,

"28 U.S. Code § 542. Assistant United States attorneys
U.S. Code
(a) The Attorney General may appoint one or more assistant United States attorneys in any district when the public interest so requires.
(b) Each assistant United States attorney is subject to removal by the Attorney General.

(Added Pub. L. 89–554, § 4(c), Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 618.)
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I would add what others like Andrew McCarthy have pointed out, the President has all the powers that anyone in the executive branch has.   He IS the executive branch. 
 
Some appointments require Senate confirmation, the rest don't:

Article II, Section 2,  [President] “shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for.”

Giuliani is an envoy, messenger, representative, to the President.  No one  would argue he is an Officers of the United States.
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"The Obama administration named 19 envoys and special ambassadors in its first eight months" ...
"the envoys do not require Senate confirmation"
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/25/obamas-empire-of-envoys/

I wonder if the good professor objects to this President having this special envoy or if he objects to all Presidents having any special envoys.

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Volker's testimony
« Reply #99 on: October 04, 2019, 11:43:01 AM »
Former US Special Envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker''s prepared remarks to the House Intelligence Committee yesterday, October 3rd.

https://www.scribd.com/document/428765582/Full-Statement-from-U-S-Ukraine-Envoy-Ambassador-Kurt-Volker-on-October-3-2019

This rebuts the conspiracy theory of Schiff and the fake whistleblower.

Link to article on The federalist explaining all of this.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/04/testimony-from-ukraine-envoy-kurt-volker-directly-contradicts-democrats-impeachment-narrative/#.XZeB4LJfpLo.twitter

Trump didn't know that Zelensky was an anti-corruption guy.  He thought he was no different than Poroshenko.  Zeleensky reached out to Giuliani through an aide to Zelensky as the initial step by Zelensky to try and prove to Trump that he was anti-corruption.  Volker himself also believed Zelensky was different and tried to help Zelesnky gain credibility with Trump.  Volker thought that Trump's reluctance with the aid would end once he got to know Zelensky.  He didn't even think the aid delay was important and didn't tell Zelensky about it until after Schiff tweeted about it in late August when Schiff was leaking bits of the fake whistleblower complaint to the media via Twitter.
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