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« Reply #750 on: December 13, 2023, 09:17:38 AM »
... the MSM would have kittens. Hunter just blew off his Congressional subpoena.

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #751 on: December 13, 2023, 10:17:58 AM »
So, does AG Garland enforce the subpoena?  One suspects not.  No doubt the Reps will bring up some self-righteous quotes from when Steve Bannon resisted a congressional subpoena.

Will Hunter's failure to appear today not iadd to the justifications for the impeachment inquiry vote today?

BTW, why does no one seem to be mentioning that it is not necessary to show payments to Joe, that under the bribery statute payments to family members are a sufficient basis for conviction?   Do I not have this right?

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #752 on: December 16, 2023, 07:48:22 AM »
If Joe or his surrogates advised or influenced Hunter not to testify, and of course they did, evidence of that adds an obstruction charge to the impeachment.

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #753 on: December 17, 2023, 06:46:31 AM »
Once again I hear "no credible evidence linking Joe to Hunter's business dealings". Fox News Sunday Dem legal analyst.

I think they mean no credible evidence other than photos, dinners, flights, emails, payments, obvious cover up and sworn testimony

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #754 on: December 17, 2023, 10:09:36 AM »
" I think they mean no credible evidence other than photos, dinners, flights, emails, payments, obvious cover up and sworn testimony "

exactly

they always seem to bring on Republican lacky's who seems incapable of rattling all this off as "PLENTY OF EVIDENCE" fast enough -


 before they get cut off with a very loud and stern:  "LET ME BE CLEAR THERE IS NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE JOE BIDEN HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH HUNTER'S BUSINESS DEALINGS"

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #755 on: December 17, 2023, 10:12:03 AM »
PS
this is essentially what CNN or MSPCP or PBS would do when anyone mentions Joe's corruption

they press this emergency button and yell what I posted above:

https://www.myinstants.com/en/instant/buzzer-89244/


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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #757 on: December 22, 2023, 07:20:15 AM »
listened to Rudy on Greg Kelly then his own radio show WABC yesterday and Rudy pointed out the two women who sued him for defamation and were awarded 148 million

He stated his net worth around 10 million and he owes 1 mill to creditors. He only mentioned Hunter by saying one of the 8 high priced lawyers these women had on their team worked as colleague with Hunter Biden's work at a law firm and said easy to connect the dots.

Perhaps that is somehow a connection to one of Hunter's previous law firm lawyers is owed money.

Rudy said the only thing he can do is declare bankruptcy since he does not have the additional 138 million.

I assume his assets will be frozen and the grifters, shysters will go after what he does have.

I am wondering if the jury awarded 9 million would that have made more sense and more ability to get at least that much money.




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Are Bribes Also in the Eye of the Beholder?
« Reply #758 on: January 09, 2024, 03:49:50 PM »
Just bumped into this:

@mirandadevine
BREAKING 🚨 Georges Bergès, Hunter Biden’s art gallerist has told @GOPoversight that he never had any communication with the White House about a so-called “ethics agreement” governing the sale of Hunter Biden’s art. It was a sham.

“The Biden White House appears to have deceived the American people,” says Chairman James Comer.  “Hunter Biden’s amateur art career is an ethics nightmare. The vast majority of Hunter Biden’s art has been purchased by Democrat donors, one of whom was appointed by President Biden to a prestigious commission after she purchased Hunter Biden’s art for tens of thousands of dollars shortly after Joe Biden’s inauguration.”

Far from the blind purchases promised by the White House, Hunter Biden “knew the identities of the individuals who purchased roughly 70% of the value of his art, including Democrat donors Kevin Morris and Elizabeth Hirsh Naftali.”

Sugar brother Kevin Morris bought most of Hunter Biden’s art for $875,000 in January 2023.

“However, Kevin Morris only paid Mr. Bergès 40% commission of the $875,000 purchase and Hunter Biden and Kevin Morris figured out the financial implications. Mr. Bergès admitted he has never done an art deal like that before.”

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #762 on: January 17, 2024, 06:59:28 AM »
was wondering if the cocaine on the gun could be compared to gas chromatography of the coke found at the WH.

But thinking this would not work after a quick search:

https://analyticalscience.wiley.com/content/article-do/chemical-profiling-cocaine-powerful-tool-drug-enforcement

Of course the WH sample was thrown out we are told but the results of the chemical analysis I would think is still somewhere in the records (buried deep)



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Hunter, Kevin Morris, and lawyers' ethics
« Reply #764 on: January 29, 2024, 07:02:47 PM »

WSJ
Hunter Biden, Kevin Morris and Lawyers’ Ethics
The attorney’s ‘loans’ to the president’s son raise questions the California Bar should take seriously.
By Darin R. Bartram
Jan. 29, 2024 12:57 pm ET



Whether or not Hunter Biden’s business dealings end up implicating President Biden, they encompass a skein of disreputable and allegedly even unlawful conduct. The latest problem is a possible violation of the ethically acceptable attorney-client relationship.

America First Legal filed a complaint with the California State Bar against Kevin Morris, a lawyer who represented Hunter Biden. It seeks professional sanctions against Mr. Morris for providing a variety of financial support to Hunter. According to news reports, Mr. Morris’s support of Hunter Biden totaled some $6.5 million. He funded outstanding debts such as housing, child support and car payments on Mr. Biden’s Porsche, provided him with flights on Mr. Morris’s private jet, and purchased 13 of Mr. Biden’s paintings for more than $900,000. Mr. Morris has defended his financial entanglements with Hunter, including the payment of tax debts, by characterizing them as loans, which Mr. Morris says were negotiated by lawyers at 5% interest.

Mr. Morris and his lawyers acknowledged all this in closed-door testimony to the lawmakers conducting the Joe Biden impeachment inquiry and a letter to the House Oversight Committee. Chairman James Comer said in a statement that “Kevin Morris obtained access to Biden White House after ‘lending’ money to Hunter Biden.” Mr. Morris replied by telling ABC News: “My ‘access’ to the White House’ consisted of a tour, attending a wedding, and the especially heinous crime of attending last year’s Fourth of July picnic with hundreds of other people.”

At play here is a sensible rule of the California Bar. It deserves respect, not only as a legal requirement for bar members, but also as a standard of conduct balancing different imperatives that ought to structure the attorney-client relationship. One imperative is for lawyers to maintain a professional distance from their clients. Bar rules of professional conduct are infused with measures designed to ensure the lawyer’s professional independence of judgment and his ability to function as a disinterested adviser.

State bar rules also are designed to reconcile an attorney’s duty to advocate for his client with the attorney’s obligation as an officer of the court. The American Bar Association’s Model Rules of Professional Conduct note this blended role: “A lawyer, as a member of the legal profession, is a representative of clients, an officer of the legal system and a public citizen having special responsibility for the quality of justice.” Attorneys are expected to act with professional decorum. Their dealings with clients must be conducted with fairness, reasonableness and full disclosure.

An attorney’s ability to provide personal financial assistance to his clients varies by the jurisdiction. Most state bars permit a lawyer to enter into fair and reasonable business transactions with clients, provided the transactions are documented and the result of informed consent by the client.

Mr. Morris has acknowledged acquiring a financial interest in one of Hunter Biden’s business entities, Skaneateles LLC. When a lawmaker asked what Skaneateles did, Mr. Morris said, “I’m not to the point sure.” This doesn’t support a conclusion that this business transaction was fair, reasonable, or the result of informed consent.

The gist of the complaint against Mr. Morris is that his payment of expenses on behalf of Hunter Biden violates a provision of the California Bar rules, to which each attorney admitted to practice in California must adhere. Rule 1.8.5 reads in part: “A lawyer shall not directly or indirectly pay . . . the personal or business expenses of a prospective or existing client.” Commentary to Rule 1.8.5 explains that “permitting gifts to existing clients was excluded from the proposed rule due to the potential of unintended expectations and confusion between the personal and professional relationship between the lawyer and client.”

Rule 1.8.5 does permit a lawyer to lend money to a client, but Mr. Morris almost certainly didn’t comply with the rule’s requirement to ensure Hunter Biden’s informed consent in writing before making the loans. He testified that he didn’t document the loans until “a little later,” perhaps six months to a year after making them. In addition, no reasonable review would conclude that Mr. Morris’s purchase of Mr. Biden’s art was merely a loan for which the paintings served as collateral. He testified that he has yet to pay for 11 of the paintings because “I’m discussing with my tax advisers and business people, and I haven’t elected how to characterize that yet.”

Other jurisdictions permit a lawyer representing a client to advance financial assistance to a client that is “reasonably necessary to permit the client to institute or maintain the litigation or administrative proceedings,” as the District of Columbia’s rule puts it. Financial assistance in this regard is very limited, and is intended to avoid a client’s feeling pressured to settle a claim on unfavorable circumstances to receive proceeds immediately. Mr. Morris’s payment of some of Hunter Biden’s bills and back taxes, or the purchase of Hunter’s art on terms that he didn’t appear to make available to other buyers, wouldn’t qualify as financial assistance.

In Maryland, attorneys aren’t permitted to advance to their clients any funds other than the court costs and expenses of litigation. A commentary to the Maryland rule emphasizes that providing financial assistance to clients, such as living expenses, “would encourage clients to pursue lawsuits that might not otherwise be brought” and that “such assistance gives attorneys too great a financial stake in the litigation.”

Mr. Morris’s dealings with Hunter Biden appear not to comply with the California Bar’s rules and to be inconsistent with the rules of other state bars. His assistance to the president’s son is most plausibly explained by political or ideological considerations. Mr. Morris has a right to his political or ideological views, but it doesn’t free him from his obligations as a lawyer. The case presents the California Bar with an opportunity to affirm that the attorney-client relationship is a professional one that mustn’t be blurred by other considerations.

Mr. Bartram practices appellate and constitutional law in Washington.

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Big Guy Biden refusing key documents to oversight committee
« Reply #765 on: February 02, 2024, 06:14:38 AM »
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2024/02/01/why-is-the-white-house-hiding-bidens-2014-ukraine-speech-n2634481https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2024/02/01/why-is-the-white-house-hiding-bidens-2014-ukraine-speech-n2634481

Committee wants the drafts of the 2014 Ukraine speech where Joe admits getting the prosecutor fired.

Most scandal free administration ever, sold arms to Mexican crime cartels, guilty of IRS targeting ofvopponents, got prosecutors fired 5000 miles away and bragged about it on video.

Maybe a raid on the documents center by the jackbooted thugs at dawn with arms drawn is in order.

What would Democrats do?
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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #769 on: February 03, 2024, 08:32:43 AM »
Nice find on the Pavlich book!

IIRC we covered OP F&F quite a bit here, especially the work of Sharyl Attkinson (sp?) on the Well Armed People thread.


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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #770 on: February 03, 2024, 11:55:53 AM »
Nice find on the Pavlich book!

IIRC we covered OP F&F quite a bit here, especially the work of Sharyl Attkinson (sp?) on the Well Armed People thread.


People should buy her book, speaking of not letting things fall into the memory hole, for a table piece or gift giving to the liberal who has everything.  Worst case $20 goes to a young, smart, pretty female journalist with her head on straight.

I would like to see Katie write the book on IRS Targeting before that slips away too.

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Big Guy Biden, Hunter called Dad The Chairman
« Reply #771 on: February 14, 2024, 06:00:06 AM »
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/13/in-business-messages-hunter-biden-called-dad-the-c/

This article has a pretty good recap. I can't figure out what evidence they are waiting for. I can only guess they don't have all the votes needed for impeachment. Who is holding out and why?

Joe met with Burisma before he got the prosecutor fired? He witheld US money to get the prosecutor fired? Said he had the President (Obama) behind him on it.

Did all this happen before Joe was President? No corruption since?
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WSJ: Prosecutors dispute their long time informant
« Reply #772 on: February 15, 2024, 04:39:17 PM »

Informant Who Alleged Biden Corruption Made Up Claims, Prosecutors Say
The allegations had been central to a GOP impeachment inquiry into President Biden
By Aruna Viswanatha and C. Ryan Barber
Updated Feb. 15, 2024 6:45 pm ET

An informant who alleged that Joe Biden engaged in a bribery scheme with a foreign national during his vice presidency was arrested on charges of lying to the FBI, a twist that appears to undermine a push by House Republicans to impeach the president.

The informant, Alexander Smirnov, who had been a confidential source for the FBI since 2010, provided “false derogatory information” about Biden and his son Hunter, authorities said Thursday.

Smirnov’s allegations were memorialized in an official FBI record that House Republicans have touted in their investigation into the Biden family’s business dealings. That record was at the heart of a standoff last year between the FBI and GOP lawmakers who subpoenaed the document in their inquiry.

Rep. James Comer (R., Ky.), chairman of the House Oversight Committee, threatened to hold FBI Director Christopher Wray in contempt over the bureau’s initial reluctance to turn over the record, but the two sides later reached a deal that allowed lawmakers to review the document. Republicans made it public last summer.

An FBI official cautioned at the time that investigative reports only “include leads and suspicions, not conclusions of investigators based on fuller context.”

In response to the indictment of Smirnov, Comer said the impeachment inquiry into Biden doesn’t rely on the FBI document and is based on “a large record of evidence,” including bank records and witness testimony

“We will continue to follow the facts to propose legislation to reform federal ethics laws and to determine whether articles of impeachment are warranted,” Comer said.

Abbe Lowell, a lawyer for Hunter Biden, said, “For months we have warned that Republicans have built their conspiracies about Hunter and his family on lies told by people with political agendas, not facts.  We were right and the air is out of their balloon.”


Rep. James Comer (R., Ky.) at the Capitol on Thursday. PHOTO: AMANDA ANDRADE-RHOADES/REUTERS
The case was brought by Special Counsel David Weiss, who is separately prosecuting Hunter Biden on gun and tax charges. The younger Biden has pleaded not guilty.

Smirnov had allegedly provided the FBI with tips related to Burisma, a Ukrainian gas producer that had Hunter Biden on its board for around five years starting in 2014, when Joe Biden was vice president. That relationship has been the subject of criminal and congressional investigations for years into Hunter Biden.

In June 2020, while Joe Biden was running for president, Smirnov told the FBI that in two meetings in 2015 or 2016, executives associated with Burisma admitted they hired Hunter Biden to “protect us, through his dad, from all kinds of problems,” and that they had paid $5 million each to Joe Biden and Hunter Biden when Joe Biden was still in office, in part to help end a criminal investigation by the then-Ukrainian prosecutor general into Burisma.

Smirnov also claimed that there had been two phone calls between himself and a Burisma official in which the official purportedly said that he had been forced to pay both Bidens and it would take investigators 10 years to find records of the payments to the president.

Those allegations were fabrications, prosecutors said. Smirnov hadn’t actually met with officials from Burisma until 2017, according to the indictment.

Earlier in 2020, Smirnov texted harsh criticism of Joe Biden to his FBI handler multiple times, including that Biden was “going to jail,” and that Democrats had “tried to impeach [Trump] for same,” according to the indictment.

FBI agents interviewed Smirnov in September. He then changed his story on some claims and made up new ones, prosecutors alleged.

Smirnov was arrested in Las Vegas upon arriving on an international flight. A lawyer for Smirnov couldn’t immediately be identified for comment.

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #773 on: February 16, 2024, 05:02:50 AM »
I read that his claims are true but the time it occurred was really 2017 when Joe was no longer VP
not 2014 as he claimed.  !!

How could our people not have figured that out ahead of time?  Like election fraud claims.  We can't prove it so we look silly.

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #774 on: February 16, 2024, 08:26:45 AM »
The timing is too perfect.  What I'm seeing so far is that in order to protect Biden yet again, the FBI is throwing under the bus a guy they have been paying as an informant since 2010.

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #778 on: February 21, 2024, 07:40:55 AM »
They have been paying this guy big bucks for fourteen years and now, with exquisitely convenient timing , , ,

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Tangle: What do we do when the facts change?
« Reply #779 on: February 22, 2024, 03:32:48 PM »
I'm thinking there's plenty of other bases to proceed apart from this formerly trusted informer of 14 years, AND his indictment sure is politically convenient , , ,   That said, we do need to take a look at this:


The arrest of the Biden informant.
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Today's topic.
Alexander Smirnov. Last week, the FBI arrested Alexander Smirnov, an informant the FBI had used as a confidential source since 2010. Smirnov was charged with lying to the FBI that President Biden and his son Hunter were involved in a bribery scheme with the Ukrainian energy company Burisma.

Back up: In the summer of 2020, Smirnov told his FBI handler that he had a series of meetings and phone calls with executives from the Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma in 2015 and 2016. In those meetings, Smirnov said Burisma executives admitted that Hunter Biden was added to the board so his dad Joe could protect them from problems they may have with U.S. officials. Smirnov also said that the executives told him Hunter and Joe Biden forced Burisma to pay them each $5 million in bribes to ensure Ukraine's Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin was fired, and he claimed that he possessed 17 recordings, text messages, and financial documents as proof of the entire scheme.

Smirnov's claims were memorialized at the FBI in a four-page reporting document known as an FD-1023, which was eventually subpoenaed by Republicans in Congress and then leaked to the press.

The report had not been fact-checked before it was leaked, and the FBI warned that such source material includes leads and suspicions, not conclusions made by investigators. However, it became instant political fodder when Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) publicly released a copy of the record and described the claims as "very significant allegations from a trusted F.B.I. informant implicating then-Vice President Biden in a criminal bribery scheme," though he never named Smirnov.

Republicans in Congress, most notably Rep. James Comer (R-KY), have since used those documents as the backbone of their impeachment inquiry into Biden.

Now what? The Justice Department has indicted Smirnov on charges that he fabricated his allegations. On Tuesday, prosecutors also alleged in a 28-page filing that Smirnov had "extensive and extremely recent" contacts with foreign intelligence services, including Russia’s, and described him as an incessant liar who continues to make up misinformation and pass it to his FBI handlers.

“The Defendant’s story to the FBI was a fabrication,” prosecutors alleged. Smirnov  “transformed his routine and unextraordinary business contacts with Burisma in 2017 and later into bribery allegations against [President Biden].”

According to prosecutors, Smirnov hadn't met with officials from Burisma until 2017. He never delivered the documents, recordings, or records he promised. During a "custodial interview" in February, Smirnov conceded that Russian officials were involved in passing along some of the stories he shared about Hunter. However, prosecutors stopped short of saying that the claims about the Biden family bribery scheme were lies coming from his contacts in Russia.

When prosecutors interviewed Smirnov again in September, he changed his story on some claims and made up new ones, they said. Included in his new false allegations were claims that he saw footage of Hunter Biden entering a hotel in Kyiv, Ukraine, that the hotel was "wired," and Hunter was recorded while he was inside.

“Investigators know that Smirnov’s new story is false because [Hunter Biden] has never traveled to Ukraine,” prosecutors said.

In a bizarre twist, the prosecutors who brought the case forward are operating under David Weiss, the special counsel who is separately prosecuting Hunter Biden on gun and tax charges.

Today, we're going to explore some reactions to this indictment from the right and left, then my take.

What the right is saying.
The right takes Smirnov’s indictment seriously but doesn’t think it clears the Bidens of all wrongdoing.
Some criticize House Republicans for staking their investigation on such flimsy evidence.
Others suggest Special Counsel Weiss should be removed from the case for negligence.
In The New York Post, Jonathan Turley argued “this lying witness does not exonerate the Bidens.”

“The allegation has produced a stampede of Democrats who view his indictment as a much-needed talking point as the House continues to build the case of influence-peddling by the Biden family,” Turley wrote. “However, there are a couple of aspects to the filing that undermine the claims of a ‘bombshell’ revelation of a Russian disinformation campaign. First, these disclosures were not the result of surveillance or interceptions by American intelligence. Smirnov appears to have been cooperating with the United States and told his US ‘handler’ about all of these contacts.

“Second, Smirnov’s contacts were described as ‘recent’ and did not apparently precede 2020. They have nothing to do with the laptop or the evidence of influence-peddling found in emails on that computer… Third, the Justice Department states that Smirnov had expressed ‘bias’ against Joe Biden and used ‘his routine and unextraordinary business contacts with Burisma’ to make the bribery allegations,” Turley said. “In relation to the influence-peddling investigation, this filing does not change the evidence that the Biden family made millions in shaking down foreign companies and business figures.”

In The Bulwark, William Kristol and Andrew Egger wrote “the Alexander Smirnov farce takes a sinister turn.”

“The farcical implosion of Smirnov’s claims—that he’d heard executives at the Ukrainian energy company Burisma discuss paying $5 million bribes to Joe and Hunter Biden while the latter sat on their board and the former was vice president—has been an enormous embarrassment to the congressional Republicans who had made his allegations a tentpole of their impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden.”

“Smirnov’s claims were full of holes, so much so that catching him in lies was almost comically easy for special counsel David Weiss’ investigators,” Kristol and Egger added. “But if Smirnov’s buffoonish allegations and Republicans’ credulousness toward them initially seemed comical, the revelation that they may have been planted by Russian agents makes the whole thing far more sinister. Russia has had enough success meddling in our elections on their own—do they really need the help of the entire congressional GOP?”

In The Federalist, Margot Cleveland said the indictment “looks just as bad for David Weiss as the charged FBI informant.”

“The harm here is not merely that investigators wasted time chasing apparently false leads, or that Hunter and Joe Biden suffered from Smirnov’s allegedly false accusations, but also that Smirnov’s lies may overshadow the other unrelated — and substantial — evidence implicating the Bidens in a pay-to-play scandal, rendering it more difficult to obtain justice,” Cleveland wrote. “Assuming the allegations against Smirnov are true, charges are eminently justified. Also justified? Impeaching David Weiss.”

“Special Counsel Weiss clearly knows how bad this looks because, in the indictment, he tried to spin the assessment into the FD-1023 as being closed out by the Pittsburgh FBI office, implying that is why his office did not conduct any further investigative steps,” Cleveland said. “That alone should justify Weiss’s removal — and not merely for what he failed to do, but also because the country can’t trust that his special counsel team will follow all the leads, including the ones we don’t know about.”

What the left is saying.
The left derides House Republicans for their increasingly chaotic and baseless investigation into the Bidens.
Some say Smirnov’s indictment should end the impeachment inquiry into President Biden.
Others wonder whether Republicans knowingly espoused false information to bolster their case with the public.
In MSNBC, Hayes Brown wrote “the GOP keeps winning in its Biden investigation — and hating the results.”

“Rather than hurt Biden, House Republicans have more often than not found that having the power to lead investigations has backfired on them tremendously. Alexander Smirnov, who’s now been charged with lying to the FBI, was charged by the same special counsel that Republicans insisted be appointed to investigate the president and his family,” Brown said. “Smirnov’s indictment is just the latest GOP self-inflicted wound. The party rushed to launch an impeachment inquiry against Biden which drew attention to the negligible evidence it had gathered.”

“The sensible thing to do at this point would be to call it quits and admit that there’s nothing more to be gained from going down this rabbit hole. But that would involve Republicans admitting to their voters that there was nothing to their promises to prove Biden is a criminal and satiate their base’s call for his arrest. More likely, though, they’ll double down and insist that Smirnov is being silenced for his bold truth-telling.”

In CNN, Dennis Aftergut said the indictment “pushes [the] GOP impeachment probe of Biden off the edge.”

“With Smirnov’s indictment for fabricating claims, the air is out of the House inquiry’s tires. For those in the fact-based world, the oversight committee’s impeachment car, driven by Comer, is stuck on the edge of a cliff with two wheels hanging in thin air,” Aftergut wrote. “The Smirnov episode is Exhibit A in what happens when politicians grinding partisan axes make serious public charges without evidence against elected officials. That shameless behavior erodes citizens’ precious trust in government.”

“Unfortunately, the MAGA committee chairs seem to have neither time nor interest in thought, care, competence or real evidence. All that seems to matter to them is repeating the charges enough times for them to sink into the public consciousness,” Aftergut said. “From Comer and Jordan, we’ve seen plenty of spectacle but an absence of light. These point men for Trump and truthlessness are dangers to democracy.”

In his Substack, The Status Kuo, Jay Kuo discussed how “investigations and disinformation have been weaponized.”

“The same guy Reps. Comer and Jordan and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) pumped as a reason to go after Biden for bribery turned out to be a Russian intelligence tool,” Kuo wrote. “Now the question is, were GOP leaders just useful idiots for Russian election interference, or did they know, like Bill Barr and his cronies apparently did, that Smirnov’s claims were false, but amplified them anyway to dirty up Biden?"

“How amazed the Russians must have been to discover that they could easily mainline disinformation to the American public, not just through social media, but through the very people who are supposed to work to stop it,” Kuo said. “These GOP leaders are at best hapless dupes. They should have known and understood the games Russia was playing with them. But we shouldn’t discount the possibility that they were well aware that the Smirnov claims were false and may have originated from Russian intelligence… and then went along with them anyway.”

My take.
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As keen Tangle readers know, the informant’s report was always unsubstantiated, and now we know it wasn’t real at all.
This latest flop could be the beginning of the end of Republicans’ attempts to impeach Joe Biden.
There are a lot of Russia hysterics out there, but let’s not understate the reality of what is happening right now, either.
I'm going to take a brief victory lap, and then I’ll explain where this leaves us.

First, as eye-grabbing as this bit of news is, it should not be that surprising if you’ve been reading Tangle closely.

When we initially covered this in September, we were careful to note that the source behind the FD-1023 document was passing along "secondhand allegations" through "unverified documents." In "My take," I contrasted that evidence to what Democrats put forward in their first impeachment inquiry of Trump, including a recording of a phone call and a whistleblower from inside the U.S. government. Then I said:

Republicans don't have any of that. They have one form detailing an uncorroborated claim from an anonymous source that past investigators didn't seem to find particularly reliable. Even in conservative media, there has not been any blockbuster story proving that President Biden corruptly benefited from or aided in his son’s dealings. And to be clear, this is not some partisan take on this — Republicans themselves concede they are still on the hunt for evidence. As Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) said, “The inquiry would give us another tool in the toolbox specifically to look at Joe Biden’s bank records… Everyone’s screaming about the evidence, ‘Where’s the evidence?’ The bank records hold all of the evidence.”
All of this stunk from the beginning. The impeachment inquiry has not had any real, decisive focus. Some Republicans say it is about Hunter Biden's shady business dealings and his dad's involvement in them. Others were talking about Biden's mishandling of classified documents, or his handling of the border. Some have pointed to the IRS whistleblowers accusing Biden's Justice Department of obstructing the investigation into Hunter (this, to me, is still by far the most damning accusation). But there remains no single clear narrative about what they have uncovered or what crime they are pursuing.

This document, though, was supposed to be at the center of it. Some Republicans were willing to admit it was not something to take to the bank, but many others went the opposite direction.

"The most corroborating evidence we have is that 1023 form from this highly credible confidential human source according to U.S. attorney Scott Brady," Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) said.

Just like it was important to remember the hysteria that came from Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) and other Democrats when Trump was in office, it's important to remember the people who blew this into as big of a deal as possible and the people who talked in measured, reasonable ways about it. As Politico pointed out, Sean Hannity aired 85 segments about this. Kevin McCarthy used this form as justification for launching the impeachment inquiry. The New York Post ran a headline that read "Biden $10M bribe file released: Burisma chief said he was ‘coerced’ to pay Joe, ‘stupid’ Hunter in bombshell allegations."

All of that looks like total nonsense. It’s bad enough that the Republican impeachment inquiry looks to be losing steam already, and Comer is conceding there may not even be a vote (he blames the GOP’s thin majority, but it’s more likely that Hunter’s laptop and other purported leads haven’t turned up enough evidence to justify an impeachment).

And finally, it's worth saying this: There have been a lot of Russia hysterics over the last eight years in America. That has often looked like Democrats pursuing overblown claims about Donald Trump’s collusion. Now, it’s looking like Republicans pursuing wild claims about Biden in Ukraine. Russia’s government thrives on fear domestically and chaos abroad. Domestically, in the last week alone, Putin's government has killed his most prominent political opponent, arrested a dual Russian and U.S. citizen for donating $51 to Ukraine's war effort, and was likely behind the assassination of a defected pilot in Spain. It has also made significant gains in its war with Ukraine while division in Congress has stalled further military aid.

Here in the states, Russia’s strategy is to muddy the waters with disinformation to sow political discord. It’s not about one candidate or one person being some secret Russian agent — it’s about shifting the focus among politicians and voters. Now we have credible accusations that Russian officials may have been behind one of the most prominent stories from the last three years in U.S. media, one that got so much traction that Republicans in Congress actually pushed forward impeaching the president because of it.

It is not hyperventilating and it is not Red Scare nonsense to point out how serious that is. As we continue to get bombarded with innuendo and rumors about the most prominent politicians in America, all of this is worth considering — just as it was in 2016 with the “Trump-Russia” narratives. The lesson — as it so often has been —  is to proceed with caution, and to keep a sharp eye on where stories are percolating and how reliable they really are.


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Re: Tangle: What do we do when the facts change?
« Reply #781 on: February 23, 2024, 05:25:54 AM »
Smirnov is supposed to be the only source on Biden corruption, except for emails, photos, laptop, copies of checks, bank records, travel records, other testimony etc, but the first mention of him on the pages is after he was outed as a trusted liar.

How does he blow up the Congressional investigation if he was an FBI informant, not a congressional informant, and the FBI was hiding its investigation from congress?  Did he ever testify to the committee under oath?

Democrats have resurrected the Dan Rather, false but true, defense for the 81 officials who called the Biden laptop Russian disinformation. The laptop was real. The FBI had verified that. The content incriminated both Hunter and Joe. But the whole thing fits a pattern of Russian disinformation?

Meanwhile, the same media outlets never acknowledged that the steel dossier and the entire Russian collusion story was complete, utter fiction.

Calling them Pravda isn't an insult to our legacy media, it's just a description.

Most pathetic are the people that run with the false narrative, Biden vindicated for example, once it is published in a reliable source like msnbc, sorry to say.
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Re: Tangle: What do we do when the facts change?
« Reply #782 on: February 23, 2024, 08:04:32 AM »
Smirnov is supposed to be the only source on Biden corruption, except for emails, photos, laptop, copies of checks, bank records, travel records, other testimony etc, but the first mention of him on the pages is after he was outed as a trusted liar.

How does he blow up the Congressional investigation if he was an FBI informant, not a congressional informant, and the FBI was hiding its investigation from congress?  Did he ever testify to the committee under oath?

Democrats have resurrected the Dan Rather, false but true, defense for the 81 officials who called the Biden laptop Russian disinformation. The laptop was real. The FBI had verified that. The content incriminated both Hunter and Joe. But the whole thing fits a pattern of Russian disinformation?

Meanwhile, the same media outlets never acknowledged that the steel dossier and the entire Russian collusion story was complete, utter fiction.

Calling them Pravda isn't an insult to our legacy media, it's just a description.

Most pathetic are the people that run with the false narrative, Biden vindicated for example, once it is published in a reliable source like msnbc, sorry to say.

The degree of shameless embrace of an utterly false narrative demonstrates just how far gone the Democratic Party and their shills are:they don't even attempt to address all the contradictions you note, Doug, as they know full well there will be little in the way of consequences for their utter chutzpah and unmitigated detachment from the truth.


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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #784 on: February 23, 2024, 04:07:59 PM »
Quelle surprise.

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« Reply #785 on: March 01, 2024, 04:46:20 PM »


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What We've Learned
« Reply #787 on: March 04, 2024, 11:13:57 AM »
Pay no attention to the "Big Guy" behind the curtain:

What We Learned From the Biden Family Depositions

What we learned from 450 pages of testimony with Hunter and James.

House Republicans have released transcripts of their depositions with Hunter and James Biden, and we’ve read them so you don’t have to trust what other papers don’t want to report. Far from Democratic claims that they show nothing wrong, the testimony confirms the story of political influence peddling and family profiteering. Even if he didn’t get a dime himself, Joe Biden willingly assisted his son Hunter and brother James in schemes to cash in on the Biden family name.

Under hours of questioning, Hunter and James acknowledged unsavory facts revealed by prior witnesses. Hunter finally admitted that former partner James Gilliar was indeed referring to Joe when he envisioned an equity partnership that included “10 held by H for the big guy” as part of a 2017 deal with Chinese energy company CEFC. This is notable after years of Democratic claims that the laptop on which this email was found was “Russian disinformation.”

Hunter also confirmed former business partner Tony Bobulinski’s testimony of a meeting that same year in Los Angeles with Hunter, James, Tony and Joe—in the midst of the CEFC deal-making talks. He didn’t “contest” former partner Rob Walker’s testimony that Hunter introduced Joe to the CEFC chairman at the Four Seasons hotel in New York.
He conceded former partner Devon Archer’s testimony that Joe showed up at business dinners that Hunter hosted in Washington’s Café Milano with Kazakhstan and Russian oligarchs, and that he put his father on speakerphone during other meetings.

Several witnesses have explained Hunter’s role as selling the Biden family “brand”—that is, his father’s influence in Washington. Mr. Archer, who sat on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma with Hunter, told the committee: “Burisma would have gone out of business if it didn’t have the brand attached to it.”

Mr. Bobulinski said Hunter’s speakerphone calls were engineered so Joe could impress would-be clients, “enabling the transaction.” A recent Politico piece about James Biden’s ill-fated venture with a hospital operator cited executives who said James invoked Joe while “wooing potential business partners.”

Yet even as the duo confirmed all this, they want the public to believe that testimony by the same witnesses about influence peddling is dishonest. Hunter said his father’s calls were merely coincidental bonding moments—doesn’t everyone put dad on speakerphone during business meetings? He said the “big guy” email was Mr. Gilliar engaging in “pie in the sky” dreams of working with a “former Vice President,” and that Hunter “shut it down.” He explained that Joe sojourning to Café Milano to say hi and order spaghetti was different than Joe coming “for” dinner.

Hunter didn’t claim his Fifth Amendment right not to answer questions, but he did reveal a conveniently spotty memory. Hunter couldn’t recall reading the famous “big guy” email, or writing threatening texts, and he disclaimed knowledge of the origins of the $142,000 used to buy him a luxury car. (Mr. Archer said it came from a Kazakhstan oligarch.)

James claimed not to recall his specific interactions with Mr. Bobulinski during the CEFC deal, even as he insisted Mr. Bobulinski never met Joe—a claim contradicted by Hunter. Hunter blamed his faulty memory and bad behavior on being “out of his mind” at times on alcohol and drugs, yet he suggests his substance abuse never caused him to cross ethical lines when it came to his father.

Joe’s involvement with CEFC and the “big guy” email occurred shortly after he left the Vice Presidency. This suggests Joe thought his political career might be over and was out to make money in the Beltway habit. That was his right, but then why didn’t he say that in 2020? The facts from the House investigation show he lied to the public about the extent of his knowledge and involvement with the Hunter-James businesses.
The interviews verified that Hunter and James made a bundle from their overseas work, though both struggled to describe what they provided in return. Both men failed to provide compelling explanations for their Escher-like financial accounts, which often involved odd payments, wires and entities. The committee has found more than $20 million from foreign sources that went to Hunter, James and business associates.

Republicans plan to invite Hunter for a public hearing, and they may move to impeach President Biden. The latter won’t go anywhere in the Senate, and it could backfire politically by mobilizing Democrats in the President’s defense. They’d accomplish more by educating the public about the Biden family’s influence peddling, and letting voters decide if they want to reward it with a second term.

https://apple.news/ASD4nDbNpRlmcFc2sCW0eHA

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Hunter corruption and document crimes intertwined
« Reply #788 on: March 06, 2024, 09:33:45 AM »
https://nypost.com/2024/03/04/us-news/hunter-biden-helped-hire-aides-who-mishandled-joes-classified-documents/

Hunter Biden helped hire aides who mishandled Joe’s classified documents
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People understand that Joe loves his son.  But what do they think about Joe trusting his son to handle sensitive government affairs?

Crack addict, sex addict, slept with his dead brother's wife, kicked out of the military, made millions (on Joe's name), paid no taxes, sold "art" to political contributors - while Joe was President:  Trusted to handle sensitive government documents and staffing??

When I went to my Dad's dental office on take your kid to work day, he didn't have me drilling in people's mouths.  I wasn't qualified.

Hunter has "VIP access" to the documents area at Penn.  That's where the classified documents were.  That's also where the Tara Reade personnel file is was.

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Promoting Coconspiracy
« Reply #789 on: March 18, 2024, 08:07:37 PM »
Break a bunch of laws and get away with it, what do you do? Promote the staff that assisted in the effort. Imagine if word got out Trump did the same….

https://nypost.com/2024/03/16/us-news/president-biden-promotes-top-staffers-involved-in-mishandling-classified-documents/

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« Reply #790 on: March 20, 2024, 05:44:15 AM »
Tony Bobulinski: Joe Biden Was ‘the Brand’
Excerpts from the written testimony of Hunter Biden’s business partner.
March 19, 2024 5:04 pm ET


Review and Outlook: Hunter and James Biden's closed door testimony to the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees verified that they made a lot of money from their overseas work, but struggled to describe what they provided in return. Images: AFP/Getty Images/CQ Roll Call via ZUMA Press Composite: Mark Kelly

These are excerpts from the written testimony of Tony Bobulinski, a former business partner of Hunter Biden, submitted to the House Oversight and Accountability Committee Tuesday. Mr. Bobulinski is scheduled to testify before the committee Wednesday. Joe, Hunter and Jim Biden have disputed some of Mr. Bobulinski’s allegations.

I want to be crystal clear: From my direct personal experience and what I have subsequently come to learn, it is clear to me that Joe Biden was “the Brand” being sold by the Biden family. His family’s foreign influence peddling operation—from China to Ukraine and elsewhere—sold out to foreign actors who were seeking to gain influence and access to Joe Biden and the United States government.

Joe Biden was more than a participant in and beneficiary of his family’s business; he was an active, aware enabler who met with business associates such as myself to further the business, despite being buffered by a complex scheme to maintain plausible deniability.

If there is no evidence of corruption—if Joe’s conduct and the conduct of his family were fully legal and proper—then why are they so dishonest about it? Not just slight misrepresentations of fact but deep untruths about the entire corrupt enterprise.

Hunter Biden gave his transcribed interview to the House Oversight Committee on February 28 and lied throughout his testimony. Here are just three key examples of his perjury:

1. In Hunter’s transcript (Page 42), he states, “I officially began to do work for CEFC when the—when I received a retainer from CEFC in early—or spring of 2017.”

Why, then, did Hunter yell at CEFC Executive Director Zang in front of his entourage as I sat right next to him in New York City on Sunday May 7th, 2017? Hunter was adamant that he was owed the rest of the $20 Million CEFC had committed to paying for the work he had claimed he had done in prior years.

2. On Page 48 of his transcript, Hunter is asked, “He’s never interacted with any of your business associates. Is that correct?” The “He’s” is a reference to Joe Biden.

Hunter responds, “Yes.”

Hunter arranged the meeting between his father and me at the Beverly Hilton in Los Angeles on May 2, 2017. The sole reason Hunter wanted me to meet his father was because I was the CEO of Sinohawk, the Bidens’ partnership with CEFC. I was a business associate. In his transcript, Hunter confirms that that meeting with Joe took place and incriminates his Uncle Jim for perjury by confirming it.

3. Hunter also lied to the Committee about important details concerning his money demands and threats to CEFC on July 30 and July 31, 2017. He leveraged his father’s presence next to him in that infamous text in order to strong-arm CEFC into paying Hunter immediately, and in the process defrauded the partners of Sinohawk Holdings LLC and Oneida Holdings LLC. The threat worked, as a few days later the Chinese wired $5 million dollars into a company of which Hunter owned 50%. It’s important to remember that the CEFC considered this money an interest-free loan to the “Biden family,” and planned to send more. I have the email from CEFC to prove it.

Jim Biden also lied extensively throughout his transcribed interview before the Oversight Committee on February 21, and ironically, Hunter Biden—in his own testimony as outlined above—confirmed that Jim Biden perjured himself:

1. Jim has been selling “plausible deniability” for so many years he can’t tell truth from the lies. On Page 100 of his transcript, he is asked: “Do you recall having a meeting with Hunter Biden, and Tony Bobulinski and Joe Biden?”

Jim’s response: “Absolutely not.”

The Committee was so shocked by his perjury they tried to ask the question again in a slightly different way:

“It’s your testimony here today that meeting never took place?”

Jim responds, “Yes sir,” “that I was present for.”

The Committee tried again: “Do you recall whether you were at the bar with Hunter Biden, Tony Bobulinski and Joe Biden?”

Jim responds: “That I know did not happen.”

Jim adds further, “But my brother was never there.”

On Page 134, delusional Jim Biden reiterates his untruthful answer again after the Committee showed him messages confirming I met with Joe Biden.

Jim Biden states, “Joe Biden never met with Tony Bobulinski.”

That is just a flat-out lie.

2. On Page 124 of his transcript, Jim Biden states, “It was Hunter Biden, myself, Gilliar. I don’t know. It was the five. Okay? And everybody was 20 percent. Okay? You know what was never executed. It was never signed.”

Jim was then presented with a fully executed copy of the Oneida Holdings operating agreement that he and I had both signed along with Hunter Biden, Mr. James Gilliar and Mr. Robert Walker. On Page 132, Jim tries to claim he was not a member of Oneida Holdings.

Jim is so dedicated to his lies that he describes the Oneida document, a large legal document signed by the Biden business partners, as something that I might have come up with after drinking a “quart of gin” (Page 124). It’s absurd.

3. Jim Biden further lies by claiming “Bobulinski was trying to usurp and replace Hunter Biden.” (Page 123)

Hunter Biden, Robert Walker, James Gilliar and Jim Biden asked me to step in as CEO of the business. I did not ask them. I tried to walk away from Sinohawk multiple times only to be convinced to stay on, including on one occasion by Jim Biden himself. The company was controlled by a Board of which the 4 of them could out-vote me on anything. They had control of the company. . . .

Why is Joe Biden blatantly lying to the American people? . . . If he were doing nothing wrong, why go through this insane exercise of obstructing and denying obvious facts? . . .

The reason is because the Biden family’s profiting of tens of millions of dollars from our strategic opponents and corrupt individuals and entities around the world—without delivering any goods or services and while putting in minimal effort and work—causes Americans to rightly question any policies from this administration that apparently benefit those same strategic opponents and corrupt individuals and entities. Just read the latest motion by the Department of Justice related to Hunter Biden’s criminal indictments in California; the DOJ states that he made large sums of money for very little work.

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Re: Big Guy Biden & Son (Hunter) and family
« Reply #791 on: March 21, 2024, 06:26:36 AM »


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« Reply #793 on: March 22, 2024, 06:22:05 AM »
Remember too that it was Blinken who organized the 51 intel guys asserting that the laptop was Russian misintel.


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Re: Hunter fux a Ho
« Reply #795 on: March 28, 2024, 08:58:50 AM »
https://nypost.com/2024/03/03/opinion/hunter-bidens-chinese-legal-client-threatens-to-sue-unless-first-son-pays-back-1-million/


"...because he claims Hunter did no legal work for him."


If everyone foreign entity who gave Hunter a million dollars and got not work in return for it sued him, he wouldn't be a very rich man...

If he refunds the income, does he get a rebate on the taxes he paid - oh wait - he didn't pay taxes.  Some kind of little known first family (Dem) exemption IIRC.

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« Reply #796 on: March 28, 2024, 09:09:50 AM »
I am hoping we can find out more about his sugar brother.

Very not Kosher and likely illegal activity between the two.

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If it Weren't for Doublestandards they'd have No Standards At All
« Reply #797 on: April 18, 2024, 12:44:57 PM »
Trump "whistleblower" who worked for then VP Biden and expressed shock when Biden threatened to withhold aid unless prosecutor investigating Bursima, a company paying Hunter millions, yet same employee blew no whistles:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/04/17/impeachment_whistleblower_was_in_the_loop_of_biden-ukraine_affairs_that_trump_wanted_probed_1024937.html

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Big Guy Biden & Son, big Ukraine corruption development
« Reply #798 on: April 23, 2024, 06:17:53 AM »
https://nypost.com/2024/04/20/opinion/eric-ciaramella-a-venal-biden-hack-is-no-democracy-defender/

Many important implications here, if any undecided voter or prosecutor cared.