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Now we get a different story on Crooks
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2024, 09:47:54 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/18/former-classmate-shooter-insinuated-he-was-stupid-for-supporting-trump/

hmmmmm....

Crooks sounds like a typical Democrat  who knows  it all, acts like I am better than thou though this classmate claimed he hated "all" politicians

Obviouly he hated Trump
"bullying" may not be completely accurate after all.


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Computer Simulation of the Shooting
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2024, 11:27:54 AM »
Computer simulation of the shooting:

https://x.com/amuse/status/1813943748386029809?s=61


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How Close We Came
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2024, 11:52:56 AM »
I can’t vouch for the accuracy here, but it certainly suggests how close a call this was:

https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1813612639718900009?s=61



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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2024, 05:34:35 PM »
Cong. Steve Scalise is hearing that Crooks had three overseas encrypted accounts that as of yet are uncracked.

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Crooks SM boast
« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2024, 06:36:25 AM »
"July 13th will be my premiere, watch as it unfolds."

More like his *final act*, not premiere
as within seconds his skull blown off and brain gutted all over the rooftop.

Silver lining it helps Trump.  That ear must be sore and painful.    :-o






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Regarding the Puts
« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2024, 07:39:08 AM »
A forum friend on a different forum writes:

"If you look in the Community Notes, they in general show that they transposed the Purchase Date of Puts with the Recording date of those Puts, showing that these were actually placed sometime the previous month."

So, not as flagrant as the day before, but still , , ,

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A cow tries out for SS
« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2024, 08:15:43 AM »

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The “Hamas Logic” of the Left
« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2024, 10:02:50 AM »
Who Normalized Political Violence in America?
It wasn’t Donald Trump, or Joe Biden

BY
LEE SMITH

JULY 18, 2024

Democratic Party officials and media deny that there’s any connection between their inflammatory rhetoric labeling Donald Trump a fascist, would-be dictator, and even Adolf Hitler and the attempt on the 2024 Republican candidate. But media executives must believe Trump supporters have a point or MSNBC wouldn’t have given Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski a 24-hour timeout Monday to put some distance between the shooting and the fare that Morning Joe has been dishing out for nearly a decade. Same with music industry executives who canceled Jack Black’s worldwide music tour after the funnyman’s bandmate told an Australian audience that his birthday wish was “Don’t miss Trump next time.” Politics aside, no concert promoter was going to pay the insurance premium required to host a band that celebrated attempted murder.

Republicans on Capitol Hill are angry at The New Republic after a recent issue put an image based on a Hitler campaign poster on its cover. The editors claim they weren’t entirely committed to the Trump=Hitler formula, but, as they wrote, “he’s damn close enough, and we’d better fight.”

In a way, left-wing journalists who say it’s not their fault the 20-year-old man whose adolescence was saturated with murderously anti-Trump rhetoric tried to kill Trump have a point. The media is reactive, not creative. Democrat-aligned media didn’t invent the idea that the Democratic Party’s 2020 candidate was, despite massive video and audio evidence to the contrary, cognitively 100%. They just sang from the sheet they were handed.

And when Joe Biden proved incapable of finishing a sentence without devolving into gibberish during his debate with Trump last month? It wasn’t the media that left him out there to melt like a Madame Tussauds simulation of a living person. In fact, the media was embarrassed by Biden’s performance—and in front of the people they hate most, Trump supporters, who have been saying for four years that Biden is in obvious decline. So, the media reacted—Joe must go! But that’s not their call. If media personalities had real power, no one would have dared muzzle Joe and Mika, not even for 24 hours.

Lending the government’s executive authority to an information operation contending that half the country supported a foreign agent was designed to destabilize America.

So, who created the climate of political violence?

Some propagandists lay the blame squarely on Trump. After pro forma denunciations of the attempted public execution of the opposition leader, a chorus of establishment stalwarts, like George Stephanopoulos, and David Rothkopf, and others argued that Trump and his aspiring assassin were cut from the same cloth: “The gunman and Trump, at their opposite ends of a bullet’s trajectory,” wrote David Frum, “are nonetheless joined together as common enemies of law and democracy.”

In other words, not only is Trump responsible for inciting Jan. 6—the gravest threat to our democracy since the Civil War, Pearl Harbor, and 9/11, etc.—but he has polarized the country so profoundly that he is ultimately responsible for the attempt on his life. That’s Hamas logic: The violence of our victims drove us to burn them alive. Thus, the left is laying down the predicate for future violence against Trump and the half of the country that supports him: It’s OK to target them because being “at both ends of the bullet’s trajectory,” they brought it upon themselves.

No, the violence came from the left. The question is, who from the left is responsible for cultivating it? It’s not the media, and it’s not Joe Biden, either.

With the Democratic Party’s internal upheavals about replacing the incumbent, the left has openly acknowledged that the shadow presidency isn’t a MAGA conspiracy but fact. All the party’s chatter centered on Obama, identifying him as the man holding the party’s reins and directing its messaging: Did he sign off on George Clooney’s op-ed calling for Biden to step down? What was the true meaning of Obama aide David Axelrod’s tweet that the debate over Biden’s candidacy should have happened a year ago? Or when another Obama hand, David Plouffe, said it was DEFCON-ONE moment for Biden? Who did Obama prefer for 2024: his former vice president he made the 2020 candidate or the unelectable also-ran he slipped into the No. 2 slot to sneak her past the electorate when Biden’s malfunctions proved, finally, irreparable? Was the moment ripe for Operation Kamala?

As it happens, the timing backfired on Obama. The attempt on Trump’s life leaves him holding the bag. If Obama is responsible for calling the shots, then he must also be held accountable for them.

It’s no surprise that the left’s investigation into the roots of our current round of political violence has carefully avoided mention of the riots that filled college campuses across the country and the streets of American cities with Palestinian terror advocates. Indeed, the fascist-fighting New Republic now employs a pro-Hamas reporter. “Good morning,” Talia Jane tweeted over a picture of Israel’s border being overrun on Oct. 7. This wasn’t terrorism, she explained, rather it was “state oppression vs rebellion against state repression.”

In an article for TNR, Jane defended: antisemitic protesters at a Manhattan exhibit commemorating the hundreds killed by Hamas at the Nova festival; vandals targeting the homes of Brooklyn Museum administrators for calling the police on violent protesters; attacks on pro-Israel Columbia University professor Shai Davidai; and terror supporters filling a subway car asking other riders to “raise your hand if you’re a Zionist.” It could have been dictated from a Doha hotel hosting Hamas leadership.

But Jane’s ideology is not that different from the message Obama pushed into the mainstream of the Democratic Party. “The occupation, and what is happening to Palestinians, is unbearable,” is how he framed the Oct. 7 massacre for his former staffers during a Pod Save America panel in November.

And this wasn’t just talk. How did 2024 Brooklyn come to look and sound like 1938 Berlin? In part, according to U.S. intelligence officials, it’s because Iran funded and incited the pro-Hamas demonstrations. Where would the regime that arms and pays for anti-American terror and embodies Jew hatred get the idea that it’s OK to participate in the American political system by creating the conditions for a nationwide pogrom?

In 2015 the Obama White House struck an agreement with the Islamic Republic, legalizing its nuclear weapons program and thereby legitimizing the tactics it employs to accomplish its strategic goals—political violence, i.e., terrorism. The Iran nuclear deal was the instrument with which Obama normalized political violence.

Another Obama instrument cultivated it. Shortly before leaving office in 2017, Obama instructed his CIA Director John Brennan to produce an intelligence community assessment claiming that Vladimir Putin helped put Trump in the White House. The purpose of the official assessment wasn’t just to undermine his successor’s presidency and hobble his administration with phony investigations sourced to the perverted fantasies of an FBI informant once employed by British intelligence. No, lending the U.S. government’s executive authority to an information operation contending that one half of the electorate supported a foreign agent to govern the country was designed to destabilize America. Its purpose was to drive its citizens against each other.

That’s where we are today, still. These are the signs of a destabilized polity: the widespread prosecution of political opponents that was normalized in the wake of Jan. 6; mandating vaccines and villainizing those who resisted experimental medical treatments; recasting Trump supporters as domestic terrorists; opening borders to usher foreign criminals into middle-class communities; convicting elderly women for praying in front of abortion clinics; dispatching the FBI to raid the home of the opposition leader, unlawfully deputizing an officer to prosecute him, and most recently, but likely not summarily, the attempt on his life.

Trump said that, after what he went through, he couldn’t very well say the same words he’d planned to say Thursday night in a broadside attacking Biden. Rather, he needed to send a message of unity—which in this case is a story about redemption.

Americans know how to hear those stories because we’ve been telling them to ourselves and others from the beginning, starting with George Washington himself. The narrative thread goes through the Civil War, catching Lee as well as Grant, and up to the present. It seemed once that Obama, too, having attached himself to the mythography of Lincoln, was part of that story as America’s first Black president—and maybe he will reappear there in the future, rather than leave his mark in the book of America where it is now, in the chapter of Ahab, the maniacal completionist. The best stories we invent about ourselves all partake of the same longing, from Shane and Gatsby to Rocky and the Hunger Games. May this latest and perhaps most improbable protagonist of the great American story continue to draw on the source of redemption granted him by providence.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/who-normalized-political-violence-america



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Two Shooters?
« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2024, 02:29:44 PM »
Audio analysis of Trump shooting. Narrator states there were at least two separate guns shooting at Trump, possibly a third. I twill be interesting to get other audio sources, glean their locations, and then do the math to see if all audio sources show similar things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&si=rymZZDEguRv1Om4K&v=LouUbMYb7Bc&feature=youtu.be

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good drone image of the roof and the area where DJT was
« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2024, 05:10:37 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/snipers-saw-trump-gunman-on-roof-20-minutes-before-shooting-fbi-investigates-shooter-s-2-cellphones-here-are-the-latest-new-developments-in-the-attempted-assassination/ar-BB1qhz8b?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=7fcf3218f222480b82c787d882dc63fb&ei=14#fullscreen

The SS said the roof was too sloped ?   Are you kidding me?

BBG :
I don't buy the two shooter theory.
Sounds like BS from people trying to drum up the Grassy Knoll theory for attention or selling something.

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2024, 05:22:44 PM »
Could it be as simple as "Of course there were two shooters-- Crook and the sniper"?

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2024, 06:38:07 PM »
Could it be as simple as "Of course there were two shooters-- Crook and the sniper"?


By that measure there were 3, Marc.

ccp: I don’t want to believe this eith, but I have listened to more than one audio source and have heard the same 8 or so shots. Moreover their are two distinct cadences: the first three measured shots (the first of which appears to be the one that struck Trump), and then 5 at a much quicker “spray & pray” cadence (with both of those sounding like .223/5.56), and then the more authoritative single shot that was likely a .308 fired by the Secret Service sniper.

Based on those audio recordings I come away with a different suspicion: If there were two shooters, I suspect the first three, disciplined shots came from inside a building. That would explain how an early shot passed by or near to Trump and then hit that gent in the shoulder standing in the top row of those far bleachers. Otherwise we’d have to believe a roof shooter shot downward toward Trump, with that shot then rising to the top of the bleachers. Perhaps that round skipped off something, but that trajectory appears difficult to explain.

Ideally what will happen is that all audio sources will be gathered and then brought into a sophisticated audio editing program, each on its own audio channel. They will use the first shot to sync up all audio sources. They’ll then do their best to geolocate the spot where each audio source was recorded. From there they will ID the 90 degree surfaces the supersonic bullet crack and then the (slower) actual sound of the round leaving the barrel, with the goal of using those echos to roughly ID the surface the sound is bouncing off of as a rough means of figuring out where the the bang of the gun would have been produced to reflect off the hard surface and be picked up on the mic.

My suspicion is that any shooter throwing shots from inside a building (standard urban sniping practice would be to set up on a table 10 to 25 feet from the opening the being shot through) was using a can (aka a “silencer) as shooting a high velocity round from inside a room would otherwise require hearing protection. As such the audio signal ought to be distinct compared to the non-suppressed roof shooter source.

Hopefully several audio engineers with the requisite skills will all work from the same data sources so we compare their work. The one source I’m not particularly interested in hearing from is the FBI as they’ve shown themselves to be tools of the Uniparty while their las have taken several big evidentiary hits over the years.

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buidling's roof was too dangerous to put snipers
« Reply #70 on: July 20, 2024, 04:56:51 AM »
because it was sloped

but if you look at the image the building some of the snipers were on behind Trump is even more sloped:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/maps-show-location-of-trump-and-gunman-at-pennsylvania-rally-shooting/ar-BB1pXO3z?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #71 on: July 20, 2024, 05:05:29 AM »
I forget his name, but a Green Beret congressman says the FBI has told him that Crooks had three encrypted email accounts with servers overseas and that procedures are underway with the relevant governments to see if they can crack into them.

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #72 on: July 20, 2024, 05:10:50 AM »
I am guessing he had crypto.

BTW , I wonder what he was thinking by saying something like watch my premiere.

Did he really think he would walk away from this?

Is it possible to escape while leaving one's head at the scene of the crime ?    :-o


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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #74 on: July 20, 2024, 06:24:22 AM »
I forget his name, but a Green Beret congressman says the FBI has told him that Crooks had three encrypted email accounts with servers overseas and that procedures are underway with the relevant governments to see if they can crack into them.

Yes I heard he had encrypted Communications, pretty sophisticated for a guy that has no social media account. While they keep the investigation and the information secret, the conspiracy thoughts are going to run wild.

In the meantime to quell all the conspiracy thoughts, release the JFK file.

Like the very first joke said, why would you put CIA and Secret Service on the same roof?

I think this is just one nut job. But what went wrong was the security, not the existence of one nut job.

Mentioned in another post, the responsibility for this goes to the top of the executive branch.

The Secret Service used to be most feared.  Someone let it rot.

https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/19/secret-services-incompetence-is-exactly-why-we-need-trump-to-dismantle-the-deep-state/
« Last Edit: July 20, 2024, 06:27:37 AM by DougMacG »

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #75 on: July 20, 2024, 06:43:27 AM »
Apparently he had a remote triggering device for the IED in his vehicle-- which was parked in advance?-- so he could trigger it as a diversion for his escape?

Which would explain why on the day in question he arrived on his bicycle , , ,

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Shooting Animation
« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2024, 06:52:03 AM »
Good animation of the shooting … and just how close Trump came to death:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJId8hiZgGs




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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #81 on: Today at 08:14:08 AM »
here we go the experts and the soon to be grassy knoll books.

Or maybe the failures are just screw ups.

I recall an active SS agent telling me circa '78 or 9 the SS would not likely stop a serious threat against the President.
Just the crazies who announce what they are going to do in advance. He is probably still alive as was ~ 31 yo then.

OTOH the Copyright Office was not interested in seeking truth about corruption as much as covering it up.
And when questioned about specifics did say it was simple mistakes.

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Despite claims to the contrary made by. DHS leadership. And it only took crack teams of WaPo reporters six days to report what conservative sites were reporting all the way along:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/07/trump-was-denied-additional-security-contrary-to-secret-service-assertions-wapo-reports/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=trump-was-denied-additional-security-contrary-to-secret-service-assertions-wapo-reports

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
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https://www.facebook.com/drew.serrano/videos/867782875231240/?fs=e&rdid=iwVH3npl0FKOCq2h

Yes, what a mess.  Good for Sen Ron Johnson for being on this and not leaving it to some federal agency inquiry.

In covering up their malfeasance, the feds look like they are part of a conspiracy. If they aren't, they should quit acting that way. Get the truth out and let the chips fall.