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Amer. Spectator case for Trump
« Reply #300 on: February 19, 2023, 09:06:33 AM »
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/02/the_desantis_is_trump_without_the_baggage_crowd_is_in_for_a_rude_awakening.html

my opinion is the conclusion is flawed

Trump baggage is MUCH MORE  than he is "abrasive and a target for a corrupt media"

he has never had more then 50 % of the votes and the rest we all have witnessed

Can Desantis or other R win more than 50% -
with an exploding immigration most of who are not R's, admittedly that remains to be seen

he turns off many R's as well as many I and all D
We need someone better at drawing in I's - he can't


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Re: Amer. Spectator case for Trump
« Reply #301 on: February 19, 2023, 09:12:05 AM »
Trump was never supposed to happen. Trump will NOT be allowed back into power.

All future elections will be fortified for their protection.




https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/02/the_desantis_is_trump_without_the_baggage_crowd_is_in_for_a_rude_awakening.html

my opinion is the conclusion is flawed

Trump baggage is MUCH MORE  than he is "abrasive and a target for a corrupt media"

he has never had more then 50 % of the votes and the rest we all have witnessed

Can Desantis or other R win more than 50% -
with an exploding immigration most of who are not R's, admittedly that remains to be seen

he turns off many R's as well as many I and all D
We need someone better at drawing in I's - he can't

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Re: 2024
« Reply #302 on: February 19, 2023, 11:54:43 AM »
The Amer Spec article does a very good job of presenting the question presented.

I just noticed the time and need to go for now.  More later.

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Re: Amer. Spectator case for Trump
« Reply #303 on: February 20, 2023, 06:05:53 AM »
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/02/the_desantis_is_trump_without_the_baggage_crowd_is_in_for_a_rude_awakening.html

my opinion is the conclusion is flawed

Trump baggage is MUCH MORE  than he is "abrasive and a target for a corrupt media"

he has never had more then 50 % of the votes and the rest we all have witnessed

Can Desantis or other R win more than 50% -
with an exploding immigration most of who are not R's, admittedly that remains to be seen

he turns off many R's as well as many I and all D
We need someone better at drawing in I's - he can't

I agree with ccp here.

Trump without the baggage is a gross oversimplification, but points us in a direction.  The policies were mostly great.

Trump's baggage isn't just false accusations like Russia hoax.  It includes cringe moments in front of the cameras.  Carly Fiorina, look at that face, referring to his penis size in a televised debate, grabbing pussy and they like it.  Joking maybe, but a public person, and he was caught.  Baggage.

Irreversible was his performance in debate one vs Biden. Even in a two against one we don't get many chances to debate the Left in front of voters and he blew it.  Cringeworthy and obnoxious the whole way through. Biden too but our guy was supposed to set himself apart.  Biden only had a Fetterman like bar to clear.

We tried Trump and he failed in that sense.  Trump fatigue is real and it's also irreversible.  He doesn't get a second chance to introduce himself.  Most people don't get a first.

He is the King of the vaccine and related liability waiver.  He was Fauci's boss, Fauci outplayed and outlasted him.

He also did amazing good documented in these threads.  Most of it reversed.  Now we need someone else to do amazing good.
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Re: 2024, voters don't want Trump v Biden
« Reply #304 on: February 20, 2023, 07:51:34 AM »
https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/ryanjrusak/article272539721.html

Reminds me of the dog food advertising conundrum. They tried all these different ad campaigns and nothing worked.  Finally someone blurted out the truth.

The dogs don't like it.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #305 on: February 22, 2023, 07:33:13 AM »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/02/17/democrats_have_no_good_option_for_2024_148881.html
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It is true but not to our benefit that Democrats have no good choices.  They will win with a shitty one. 

Their current top five are all horrible, meaning Biden, if he is same as today, will be the nominee.

WE need a modern day JFK to shake up the other party, rise above the nonsense and get the voters two good choices.

Losing to Democrats shouldn't mean losing our country.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #306 on: February 22, 2023, 07:48:08 AM »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/02/17/democrats_have_no_good_option_for_2024_148881.html
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It is true but not to our benefit that Democrats have no good choices.  They will win with a shitty one. 

Their current top five are all horrible, meaning Biden, if he is same as today, will be the nominee.

WE need a modern day JFK to shake up the other party, rise above the nonsense and get the voters two good choices.

Losing to Democrats shouldn't mean losing our country.

No one is coming to save us. The American Republic is dead. You aren't voting your way out of this.

Plan accordingly.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #307 on: February 22, 2023, 08:06:18 AM »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/02/17/democrats_have_no_good_option_for_2024_148881.html
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It is true but not to our benefit that Democrats have no good choices.  They will win with a shitty one. 

Their current top five are all horrible, meaning Biden, if he is same as today, will be the nominee.

WE need a modern day JFK to shake up the other party, rise above the nonsense and get the voters two good choices.

Losing to Democrats shouldn't mean losing our country.

No one is coming to save us. The American Republic is dead. You aren't voting your way out of this.

Plan accordingly.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #308 on: February 22, 2023, 09:27:52 AM »
"No one is coming to save us. The American Republic is dead. You aren't voting your way out of this.

Plan accordingly."

well
the LEFT
controls or mostly controls and moving at Warp speed to control even more

lines of communication
through. tracking
media / propaganda or censorship

education at university level and moving down to grade level

transportation through GPS and kill switches

financial means via tracking monies controlling the banks and soon to be digital dollars that can be cut off at any time

law enforcement at the Federal level and mandates at lower levels

intelligence agencies

all Federal agencies

the judiciary / legal system (most lawyers are crats I believe )
   except thank God at the Supreme Court level - for now

trying to control guns and weapons

the military by allowing advancement only to those who wish to be generals only to those who are on board with democrats

energy through destroying fossil fuels

immigration by non enforcement

so what is left but voting?

sure we can move to conservative areas

then what - 
we can't really organize with raising big red flags and putting targets on our backs

the millisecond we post buy speak subscribe watch or associate with like minded people
 etc









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Re: 2024
« Reply #309 on: February 22, 2023, 12:07:11 PM »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/02/17/democrats_have_no_good_option_for_2024_148881.html
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It is true but not to our benefit that Democrats have no good choices.  They will win with a shitty one. 

Their current top five are all horrible, meaning Biden, if he is same as today, will be the nominee.

WE need a modern day JFK to shake up the other party, rise above the nonsense and get the voters two good choices.

Losing to Democrats shouldn't mean losing our country.

No one is coming to save us. The American Republic is dead. You aren't voting your way out of this.

Plan accordingly.

Let's close the election threads then if interest in it just gets heckled.  Or we could keep the end of the world shit in it's own thread.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #310 on: February 22, 2023, 12:10:15 PM »
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/02/17/democrats_have_no_good_option_for_2024_148881.html
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It is true but not to our benefit that Democrats have no good choices.  They will win with a shitty one. 

Their current top five are all horrible, meaning Biden, if he is same as today, will be the nominee.

WE need a modern day JFK to shake up the other party, rise above the nonsense and get the voters two good choices.

Losing to Democrats shouldn't mean losing our country.

No one is coming to save us. The American Republic is dead. You aren't voting your way out of this.

Plan accordingly.

Let's close the election threads then if interest in it just gets heckled.  Or we could keep the end of the world shit in it's own thread.

We could have a thread dedicated to happy fantasies and normalcy bias, wait this IS that thread!

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Re: 2024
« Reply #311 on: February 22, 2023, 06:04:52 PM »
GM:

Doug does have a point-- at some point it just becomes heckling that does not serve a point. 

The SEIU thread is a good place for developing your hypothesis.


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WSJ: on Ramaswamy
« Reply #312 on: February 23, 2023, 05:36:58 AM »
Ramaswamy Reaches for the Presidency
The entrepreneur wants Americans to believe in their principles again.
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Feb. 22, 2023 6:35 pm ET


Donald Trump proved that you don’t need to hold elective office before you try for the Oval Office, and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy is taking that as inspiration as he announced Tuesday that he’s running for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024. He has a chance to make a contribution to the race even if he is a long shot.


The 37-year-old Ohio native attended Harvard and earned a law degree from Yale, but don’t hold that against him. In 2014 he also founded a biotechnology firm, Roivant Sciences, and served as CEO until 2021. We’ve come to know him over the years through his contributions to these pages, which are provocative and well-wrought even if we disagree.

Mr. Ramaswamy has preternatural energy and can argue his brief with the best of them. He’ll be formidable if he can marshal the polling support to make it onto a debate stage. He was early in campaigning against the woke infection in American business with his 2021 book, “Woke, Inc.”

He’s also been a stalwart voice for free speech against the censorship of the tech giants. His enthusiasms sometimes get carried away, as with his proposal to make political beliefs a legally protected characteristic, like race or religion. If you think companies are woke now, wait until employees can’t be fired for attacking their employers.


He has also made a contribution with his critique of investing on environmental, social and governance (ESG) criteria rather than focusing on returns to shareholders. He put his money where his principles are in 2022 in founding Strive Asset Management, which offers an alternative to large asset managers like BlackRock that have become politicized. He rejects the “new climate religion that shackles the U.S. and leaves China untouched.”

Mr. Ramaswamy is also calling for a revival of national self-confidence based on the principles that have lifted all Americans. This means re-embracing the importance of merit again in work and culture, as opposed to leveling based on race, gender and class.

The author Arthur Brooks calls this “earned success,” and it’s an optimistic alternative to the left’s attack on American values that is likely to gain more adherents than grouchy resentment. As the son of Indian immigrants, Mr. Ramaswamy is well-positioned to remind Americans about what draws people to the U.S. He joins former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley as GOP candidates of Indian descent. Only in America—or Britain.

Campaigning for the White House has become a vanity project for some people who have no chance—see Marianne Williamson and Dennis Kucinich. Mr. Ramaswamy will have to persuade voters that he’s more than that, as well as overcome doubts about his relative youth. Then again, many voters may prefer the hope of youthful energy over the age and experience of the last six years.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #313 on: February 23, 2023, 05:40:46 AM »
"The 37-year-old Ohio native attended Harvard and earned a law degree from Yale, but don’t hold that against him."   :-D

yes saw him on newsmax announce a few days before he was on /Tucker

yes , he has the mouthpiece , very talented


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Re: 2024
« Reply #314 on: February 23, 2023, 05:48:33 AM »
I hope he gets traction and that other stronger candidates will see that and absorb his articulation.

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Re: Amer. Spectator case for Trump
« Reply #316 on: February 23, 2023, 07:58:53 AM »
"Trump will NOT be allowed back into power."

  I think you mean by the powers that be, but I think he won't be allowed back in by conservatives and so called Trump supporters.

His proudest moment is the vaccine, for one thing.  The vaccine, I imagine, polls better the further Left you go.

Some reporting says he will attack DeSantis from the Left (and already has).  That's an odd way to lock in the Right.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #317 on: February 23, 2023, 09:12:09 AM »
"His proudest moment is the vaccine, for one thing.  The vaccine, I imagine, polls better the further Left you go."

Some reporting says he will attack DeSantis from the Left (and already has).  That's an odd way to lock in the Right.

The vaccine - the LEFT promotes but gives Trump no credit
The vaccine - the RIGHT despises yet gives Trump no blame

 :roll:

Desantis

you mean "meatball"

someone still thinks the name calling will continue to work ........ :roll:

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Re: 2024
« Reply #318 on: February 23, 2023, 09:27:09 AM »
so many on both sides are thinking preparing for civil war
and he thinks name calling is helpful ..... or going to make a dent in what is really happening

time for him  to get booted off the stage

go behind the scenes and become consultant

the big cheese days are over

my opinion.

as for Jarod one part of me wants to know what the hell the Saudi deals are all about
sounds like clear cut corruption to me.

OTOH that is a trivial side show to what really needs to be front and center

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Poll: claims half Dems think Biden is best for '24
« Reply #319 on: February 25, 2023, 08:25:34 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/24/poll-suggests-democrats-warming-biden-2024/

wow
this speaks mountains about their bench.

Also, it is apparent they like ruining the country towards 1984 marxism

too many free shit people and those who view race gay etc as most important
(maybe climate too)......

then add in the illegals .......


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NRO
« Reply #320 on: March 02, 2023, 07:28:55 AM »
Biden’s Age Can No Longer Be Ignored by Democratic Elites

On the menu today: A new poll shows that 68 percent of Americans think President Biden is “too old for another term,” with 48 percent of self-identified Democrats agreeing. Elite Democrats are recognizing that their desired scenario still ends with an 86-year-old president in the Oval Office in 2028. An anecdote about Patrick Stewart’s filming schedule gives us a hint about the workload an octogenarian can reasonably handle.

Joe Biden and the Age-Old Old-Age Question

It probably makes a survey sound less useful and reliable if you call it “the Yahoo poll,” but Yahoo News published another round of eye-popping numbers about Americans’ views about the president’s age:

Nearly 7 in 10 registered voters (68 percent) now say President Biden is “too old for another term,” according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll — and more Democrats agree (48 percent) than disagree (34 percent) with that assessment.

The survey of 1,516 U.S. adults, which was conducted from Feb. 23 to 27, underscores the central challenge facing the oldest president in American history as he gears up for a likely reelection bid — and the difficult position his age is putting his party in.

For Democrats, the problem is not Biden’s performance in office; they overwhelmingly approve (77 percent) (MARC:  WTF?!?) 9marcprather than disapprove (20 percent) of how the 80-year-old is handling the job.

There is a quiet struggle in Democratic circles to grapple with the fact that their desired scenario, the one they’re all working so hard to bring to fruition, ends with an 86-year-old president in the Oval Office in 2028. Eighty-six!

Every signal from President Biden and the first lady is that Biden will run for another term. No major Democratic elected official has announced a primary challenge — we’ll get to Marianne Williamson in a bit.

But a week ago, Politico offered a long feature story — with six reporters in the byline! — indicating that Democrats thought Biden would have announced his reelection by now, and wondering if there’s some chance Biden decides against it at the last minute:

Joe Biden’s closest advisers have spent months preparing for him to formally announce his reelection campaign. But with the president still not ready to make the plunge, a sense of doubt is creeping into conversations around 2024: What if he decides not to?

Biden’s past decisions around seeking the presidency have been protracted, painstaking affairs. This time, he has slipped past his most ambitious timetable, as previously outlined by advisers, to launch in February. Now they are coalescing around April. . . .

While the belief among nearly everyone in Biden’s orbit is that he’ll ultimately give the all-clear, his indecision has resulted in an awkward deep-freeze across the party — in which some potential presidential aspirants and scores of major donors are strategizing and even developing a Plan B while trying to remain respectful and publicly supportive of the 80-year-old president.

Then there are the voices that gently remind Democrats that the modern reluctance to see a primary challenge to a sitting president is usually wrapped up in confidence that the president could ably serve out a full second term. Over in The Atlantic, Mark Leibovich — who last summer acknowledged the likelihood of Biden having serious age-related performance problems in his second term — begged some other Democrat to run against Biden so that the age and health issues could be discussed openly:

In private, of course, many elected Democrats say Biden is too old to run again and that they wish he’d step away — which aligns with what large majorities of Democrats and independents have been telling pollsters for months. The public silence around the president’s predicament has become tiresome and potentially catastrophic for the Democratic Party. Somebody should make a refreshing nuisance of themselves and involve the voters in this decision.

(Notice the supposition that Biden’s age and health issues can only be legitimately discussed in the context of a Democratic primary.)

Greg Craig is a lawyer who served in the White House under Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, and he recognizes the core issue of why Democrats are so nervous: They have little or no faith in Kamala Harris — as either a presidential candidate or potential president. A few days ago in the New York Times, Craig wrote:

When considering who should be his running mate in 2024, Mr. Biden would do well to follow what Franklin D. Roosevelt did in 1944: He expressed a preference for certain candidates but turned the choice of his running mate over to the delegates at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. . . .

If the party were to give Democratic voters a role in picking the vice-presidential nominee, it would have to rely on the primaries and caucuses to make the decision. As a practical matter, one way of structuring an open race for the nomination would involve creating a way for voters in Democratic primaries and caucuses to select delegates who support specific tickets. The race could take place among Biden-Harris delegates and — to cite some possible contenders — Biden-Amy Klobuchar delegates and Biden-Cory Booker delegates.

As my Three Martini Lunch co-host Greg Corombos observed, this would take the Democratic Party’s ticket-selection process back to the methods of the days of Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr, which had all kinds of messy consequences. And yes, the vice president shooting a former Treasury secretary in Weehauken, N.J., probably ranks among the worst-case scenarios.

The fact that Democrats had a better-than-expected midterm election doesn’t change Biden’s health or age. And I can’t help but wonder if the ongoing difficult experience of Pennsylvania senator John Fetterman is forcing Democrats to recognize that you can only spin the public about an elected official’s health for so long. (Also note that 89-year-old California senator Dianne Feinstein has been away from Washington this week, dealing with what her office will only describe as “a health matter.” So far, she’s missed eleven votes this week.)

I ran across this recent Michael Rosenbaum interview with Jonathan Frakes, the longtime actor and director of many Star Trek episodes and movies (and a lot more). Frakes talked about directing and working with 82-year-old Patrick Stewart on the most recent series:

Patrick is an early riser. He goes to bed having known his lines, he gets driven to work, so he’s working on it on the way in. He gets made up, and so we start early with Patrick. And we get Patrick’s work done, with any luck, by lunch or just a little out — an hour or so after lunch. So we give him, the producers and the directors, the first half, two-thirds of the day. And then somebody else will finish up. So he doesn’t do it have to do 13 straight [hours] anymore.

Now, Patrick Stewart looks and sounds like he’s in terrific shape for a man who turns 83 in July. But even he needs, as the National Basketball Association would put it, “load management.” Men in their 80s cannot manage a punishing schedule of long hours indefinitely.

Remember, according to the New York Times, “White House officials insist they make no special accommodations” for Biden’s age. I don’t believe them, and I think the fact that they can’t acknowledge making any special accommodations for Biden’s age means that they fear how the public would react to whatever special accommodations are being made.

The typical Democratic primary voter likes Joe Biden, almost certainly voted for him in 2020, and is extremely likely to vote for him in a 2024 general-election matchup against Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, or almost any other Republican. But they probably aren’t happy about being forced to pretend that Biden’s age isn’t a legitimate concern, or to pretend that they don’t see the mumbling, the shuffling walk, or when Biden goes on Jimmy Kimmel’s show and starts rambling about how many commercials feature interracial couples. Most Americans love their grandparents, but they barely trust them with the television remote, never mind the country’s nuclear arsenal.

Which brings us to Biden’s declared challenger, Marianne Williamson, whom you probably remember warning in one of the 2020 Democratic-primary debates:

This is part of the dark underbelly of American society, the rainfall, the bigotry, and the entire conversation that we’re having here tonight, if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then I’m afraid that the Democrats are going to see some very dark days.

Williamson has lived a, er, colorful life, and to many people, she comes across as a nut. But she’s an amiable nut, and it wasn’t that hard to find conservatives nodding in agreement with her assessment that something had gone wrong with the soul of America, that we had gotten too enraged, too nasty, too vindictive, and that we needed more demonstrations of love and compassion for our fellow citizens.

If the Democratic presidential primary of 2024 only consists of the options of Biden and Williamson, then voting for Williamson becomes the only way of expressing disapproval, frustration, or disappointment with the status quo. That’s not going to be enough to win the nomination, but notice in that Yahoo poll that 20 percent of Democrats don’t approve of the job Biden is doing. You could see 10, 20, maybe even 30 percent of Democrats who bother to show up for the primary marking the box for Williamson to say, “I’m not happy with the way things are going, and I want better options.”

ADDENDUM: Michael New has an unnerving demonstration of the changing priorities at CPAC, which may or may not reflect the changing priorities of the conservative movement as a whole:

This weekend’s agenda boasts an impressive lineup of conservative elected officials, activists, and policy-makers. Furthermore, the panels will cover a wide range of topics, including immigration, transgenderism, and election fraud. However, one issue is conspicuously absent from this weekend’s agenda — abortion.


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Re: 2024
« Reply #322 on: March 02, 2023, 01:35:49 PM »
yeah it will be trump

while the rest of the repubs knock each other out trump will lead with a resounding 35 % or something and we are stuck with again and everything that comes with him

Maher entitled to his opinion

I forgot who will be on dem side
or if he even predicted this .....




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Re: 2024
« Reply #323 on: March 02, 2023, 01:50:58 PM »
I liked that he made a point of pointing out to his Tribe that a lot of us really don't like Trump and simply fear the crazies of the Tribe of Maher and Tapper.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #324 on: March 02, 2023, 02:06:13 PM »
agreed
he is extraordinarily clever

though I wonder how much of the material he does  is from him or does he just deliver the lines

I wish he was. a Republican

of course CNN would not have hired him if he was

I will not watch him if Tapper is with him going forward



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Re: 2024
« Reply #325 on: March 02, 2023, 02:47:16 PM »
A good thing that the other side got to hear from a source in whom many of them trust that we too get Trump's flaws. 

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Trump 5 points plan of attack of DeSantis
« Reply #326 on: March 03, 2023, 10:04:59 PM »
first on the list is

of course Ron is "disloyal" and thus ,

of course, Trump take's his personal offense and makes it #1 on the list 
and so we should of course also  take offense at the insult to *our dear leader * 

:roll: :roll:

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/03/trump-plan-attack-desantis

if you ask me these are big swings and misses



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Noonan on DeSantis
« Reply #329 on: March 10, 2023, 11:23:52 AM »
Ron DeSantis Is Definitely Running
He presents himself as a serious, forward-leaning, pro-business, antiwoke conservative Republican.
Peggy Noonan hedcutBy Peggy NoonanFollow
March 9, 2023 6:31 pm ET


Gov. Ron DeSantis signs the Parental Rights in Education Act in Shady Hills, Fla., March 28, 2022.
PHOTO: DOUGLAS R. CLIFFORD/ASSOCIATED PRESS

The first GOP presidential debate is five months away, in August. Primaries begin about six months after. This thing is on. Some observations on Ron DeSantis.

The Florida governor is definitely running. Every sign is there: donors, a growing and increasingly professional organization, a book that is part memoir, part platform and debuted this week at No. 1 on the New York Times list. A few days ago he gave a big, packed-house speech at the Reagan Library.

He’s come off a landslide 2022 re-election (almost 20 points) in which he won majorities of Hispanics, independents and women. He is 44, governor of a major state that was purple and has gone red, and there is no way (barring the unanticipated) he is not in. I read him as a guy who thinks you get a moment in politics, a magic moment, and when it comes you move because you don’t know if it will ever come again. “They’ll forget me,” 43-year-old John F. Kennedy said when advised to wait and go for the presidency in 1964. No, he’d made a splash at the 1956 convention, 1960 was his shot, move now or never.

Mr. DeSantis is a big dawg, and it isn’t only Donald Trump trying to take him down. A prospective competitor called recently to share his thoughts: “DeSantis is a cheap imitation of Trump, it’s Fox News soundbites and cowboy boots with 2-inch heels.” Others retail the gossip that he’s “on the spectrum.”


I don’t think normal people have more than an impression: a blank face sitting behind a square desk signing bills. Often he is surrounded, sometimes oddly, by grade-school children. You imagine one of the 8-year-olds announcing somberly to the press, “We agwee—we’re too young to hear about gender fwooidity.”

He’s tough, unadorned, and carries a vibe, as I’ve said, that he might unplug your life support to re-charge his cellphone. His supporters shrug: “He’s not warm and cuddly.” I don’t think voters are looking for warm and cuddly, but they do want even-keeled—a normal man or woman who’s a leader, who has guts and a vision of where the country needs to go.

As I watched the Reagan Library speech I thought: This candidacy is going to have power. He wasn’t inspired or eloquent but plain-spoken and brisk; his address was workmanlike, from notes, but all together it packed a punch.

Governors, he observes in his book, “The Courage to Be Free,” have to deliver. It’s an executive office: They create a record and you can measure what they did. Legislators merely have to talk and vote on congenial bills—it’s hard to measure their effectiveness: “They are not really required to lead.”

In the library speech he pointed to his achievements: a strong state economy—Florida’s unemployment rate was 3.5% when he took office in 2019, and in December 2022, after the pandemic, it was 2.5%. A good state balance sheet; a generally light, pro-individual-freedom hand on Covid; he got the schools open. His state is one people are moving into, not out of.


He is a culture warrior, but between the lines he suggests he’s also pragmatic, practical and gets things done. This may be his real superpower: When, during Hurricane Ian, the bridge to Pine Island washed away, the state had it up and operating a week later. That wasn’t talk, it was knowing the innards of government and making it deliver.

I don’t think he’s running as Trump without the psychopathology, I think he’s running as a serious, forward-leaning, pro-business, antiwoke conservative with populist inflections.

His strategy now: Draw as much from the Trump quadrant as possible, slowly try to leach him of support. One thing about Trump supporters is you win their respect if you speak of things in a “no going back” way. When Mr. Trump, in his 2015 announcement, spoke of illegal immigrants as rapists and drug smugglers, those giving him a hearing didn’t roar because they literally think all illegal immigrants are rapists and drug smugglers. They roared because they knew there was no going back from language like that. It meant he really would try to control the border.

The focus on wokeness is Mr. DeSantis’s illegal immigration. He wants to own the issue in the Republican field and, as the year gets deeper, move on from there.

A political veteran present before and after the library speech found Mr. DeSantis impressive but saw a weakness: “He’s on ‘broadcast’ almost all of the time, not ‘receive.’ ” He likes to talk. He makes eye contact, there’s back-and-forth. “But my sense is that he’s thinking about what he’s next going to tell you, not what you’re going to ask.” Still, in the end the veteran sensed something electric. “You know that feeling you get when you’re in a room and it’s obvious to every person in that room, from 10 people to 5,000, that ‘No kidding, this guy really could be a president’? He’s got it.”
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« Reply #332 on: March 14, 2023, 07:56:46 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trip-ukraine-jab-ron-desantis-181609595.html

So he has some "wins" - NYT writer notes.
All democrat policies in a state controlled by democrats - so what.

He almost got beat last election cycle in a state with huge democrat majority :

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trip-ukraine-jab-ron-desantis-181609595.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_New_Jersey

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« Reply #333 on: March 14, 2023, 03:31:36 PM »

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« Reply #334 on: March 14, 2023, 03:38:07 PM »
he sounds like a jealous little adolescent school girl

 :-o

I don't believe all these polls that have him ahead - I just don't

The leftist pollsters  would love to see Trump as the Repub candidate

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« Reply #335 on: March 14, 2023, 03:47:14 PM »
"he sounds like a jealous little adolescent school girl"

Yup.

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« Reply #336 on: March 15, 2023, 02:07:33 PM »
DeSantis Comes Out Against Russian Proxy War
Yesterday's drone incident over the Black Sea reinvigorated an important discussion about our nation's Ukraine policy.

Douglas Andrews


Looks like our $200 billion proxy war with Russia just got a little more expensive.

Yesterday's attack and ultimate downing by Russia of an unarmed $32 million U.S. MQ-9 Reaper drone over the Black Sea once again raises questions about the wisdom of our involvement in an admittedly awful border war between Ukraine and Russia.

The knock-down incident occurred in international airspace over international waters when one of two Su-27s flying in tandem collided with our drone, damaging its propeller and forcing it to ditch into the Black Sea, west of Crimea.

As Fox News reports, "The State Department is summoning Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Anatoly Antonov to express its 'strong objections' to the intercept, spokesman Ned Price confirmed to reporters."

In response, U.S. European Command and U.S. Air Forces in Europe issued a statement that reads in part: "Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional manner. This incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional."

Ooooh. They kill one of our drones, so we scold them for being "unprofessional" and "environmentally unsound." (If there's one thing that wounds the Russians deeply, it's calling into question their environmental soundness.)

And so, once again, Joe Biden's weakness proves provocative. Instead of a sternly worded memo, Biden's predecessor, Donald Trump, whom even NPR conceded was the toughest U.S. president ever when it came to Russia, would've probably greased some Russian mercs somewhere. Elections have consequences.

What do the Russians say about this incident, which appears to be the most direct attack against a NATO aircraft since the end of the Cold War? Predictably, they say our drone was traveling toward Russia with its transponders off, and they say our drone ditched following the intercept.

Ambassador Antonov wasn't exactly apologetic. "We assume that the U.S. will refrain from further speculation in the media and stop flights near Russian borders," he said. "We consider any action with the use of U.S. as openly hostile."

Translation: Pound sand, Joey.

All this brings us to Tucker Carlson, who, in a simple act of journalism that somehow never dawned on any other journalist anywhere, recently polled the likely and announced Republican presidential candidates about the matter that, next to combating Communist China, is the most important foreign policy issue currently facing our nation: namely, our ill-defined, blank-check support of Ukraine in the above-mentioned proxy war with Russia.

Donald Trump was always there, always against it, and his response to Carlson's questions were unequivocal:

Like inflation and numerous other self inflicted wounds and mistakes made over the past two years, Russia would definitely not have raided and attacked Ukraine if I was your President. In fact, for four years they didn't attack, nor did they have any intention of doing so as long as I was in charge. But the sad fact is that, due to a new lack of respect for the U.S., caused at least partially by our incompetently handled pullout from Afghanistan ... the bloody and expensive assault began, and continues to this day. That is all history, but how does it end, and it must end, NOW! Start by telling Europe that they must pay at least equal to what the U.S. is paying to help Ukraine. They must also pay us, retroactively, the difference.

Now Ron DeSantis has joined Trump (and this analyst), firmly in the non-interventionist camp of the conservative populists. He began:

While the U.S. has many vital national interests — securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party — becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. The Biden administration's virtual "blank check" funding of this conflict for "as long as it takes," without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country's most pressing challenges.

DeSantis continued, saying that F-16s and long-range missiles should be "off the table" and that Biden risks "explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world's two largest nuclear powers." He rightly calls that risk "unacceptable."

DeSantis further notes that Biden's policies "have driven Russia into a de facto alliance with China" and have "further empowered Russia's energy-dominated economy and Putin's war machine at Americans' expense."

Some pro-war Republicans have attacked DeSantis for his stance, but, as columnist Byron York notes, his position on Ukraine puts him "in the mainstream."

Former Vice President Mike Pence, incidentally, also responded to Carlson's questions, and his pro-war, stay-the-course position tends to align with that of our Mark Alexander and presidential candidate Nikki Haley.

"Our movement," said Pence, "cannot forsake the foundational commitment that we have to security, to limited government, to liberty, and to life. But nor can we allow our movement to be led astray by the siren song of unprincipled populism that's unmoored from our oldest traditions and most cherished values," he told an audience at The Heritage Foundation. "Let me say: This movement and the party that it animates must remain the movement of a strong national defense, limited government, and traditional moral values and life."

Pence added: "There can be no room in the conservative movement for apologists to Putin. There is only room in this movement for champions of freedom."

Not all the candidates responded, but those who did provided some important insights into their foreign policy philosophies. You can read more on Carlson's Twitter account.

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« Reply #337 on: March 15, 2023, 02:29:58 PM »
second

Trump Expected to Use Entitlement Reform to Bludgeon Haley, DeSantis


Nikki Haley grabbed hold of a third rail in American politics last week when she plainly stated that it is “unrealistic to say you’re not going to touch entitlements.”

 

The 2024 presidential hopeful floated the idea of raising the retirement age for younger Americans in order to preserve Social Security and Medicare benefits.

 

“The first thing you do is you change the retirement age of the young people coming up so that we can try and have some sort of system for them,” Haley said during a campaign stop in Iowa last week. “It’s the new ones coming in. It’s those in their 20s that are coming in. You’re coming to them and you’re saying, ‘The game has changed. We’re going to do this completely differently.’”

 

Patrick Hynes, a longtime GOP political operative, told me entitlement programs will likely be a major wedge issue between former president Donald Trump and other Republicans in the 2024 race. Trump could use the issue “as a bludgeon” against possible competitors, including Haley, Florida governor Ron DeSantis, and former vice president Mike Pence.

 

Trump’s advisers reportedly believe DeSantis’s track record of voting to cut funding for Social Security and Medicare as a congressman is ripe for criticism, per the Washington Examiner. DeSantis voted for three nonbinding resolutions between 2013 and 2015 that called for raising the retirement age to 70 and reducing benefits for millions of earners.

 

The governor seemed to walk back his previous support for raising the retirement age as well as privatizing Social Security earlier this month. “We’re not going to mess with Social Security as Republicans,” he told Fox News. “I think that that’s pretty clear.”

 

Pence, like Haley, has suggested that reforms to Social Security and Medicare must be “on the table” when it comes to the debt ceiling.

 

Trump, for his part, called on Republican lawmakers not to “cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security” when they began negotiations with President Biden and Democrats over a measure to raise the debt ceiling in January.

 

“Cut waste, fraud, and abuse everywhere that we can find it, and there is plenty of it. . . . But do not cut the benefits our seniors worked for and paid for their entire lives. Save Social Security. Don’t destroy it,” Trump said at the time.

 

Entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy’s campaign told me he “believes that the debate between tax increases and spending cuts as a way to handle national debt is misguided because it leaves out the most important lever we should be focused on: driving GDP growth.”

 

The campaign added, however: “To the extent entitlement reform is required in the future, Vivek favors drawing distinctions in certain instances for ‘safety net’ programs between those who have earned $10 million over their lifetime versus those who have not — and to make any changes prospectively in advance so that no Americans who have paid into a system and were promised one thing end up being deprived of what they were promised.”

 

Hynes said while Haley’s approach is reasonable, it is “very easy to demagogue entitlement reform.”

 

“She’s going to have to run around and explain why critics of her ideas are wrong and [are] mischaracterizing what she’s talking about,” he said. “And the old adage in politics is, ‘If you’re explaining, you’re losing.’”

 

She deserves credit for “stepping in boldly,” he said, “but it is a very dangerous position to hold and one that has never been successful for any politician.”

 

A YouGov poll in January found that Democrats and Republicans both view Social Security and Medicare more favorably than not. Eighty-nine percent of Americans who personally receive Social Security benefits have a very or somewhat favorable opinion of the program, while 84 percent of Medicare benefit recipients said the same.

 

While, politically speaking, there is no downside to Trump’s “don’t touch the programs at all” approach, the downside, Hynes says, “is reality.”

 

“If he [is] the next president, in all probability the insolvency would happen after he left office, but the fact is our safety net is underfunded and without reforms we’re talking about insolvency. But that’s a very, very difficult thing to explain to voters.”

 

Especially in the early primary state of New Hampshire, which has one of the oldest populations in the country: 19.3 percent of the state’s population was age 65 or older in 2020.

 

“Running as an entitlement-reform candidate is going to be very problematic, it’s going to be a barrier to earning the votes of a lot of senior Republican primary voters,” said Hynes, who is New Hampshire–based. “Even though the proposals have nothing to do with current or near-term beneficiaries.”

 

Joe Lakin, a senior consultant with Victory Enterprises, which has extensive involvement in Iowa, noted that the Iowa Republican caucus also skews significantly more rural and older than typical general elections and even other primaries. In Iowa, 17.9 percent of the population was older than 65 in 2020.

 

Lakin suggests the prospect of entitlement reform could be a mixed bag with Iowans, because while such a discussion is likely to be unpopular with the “much older electorate,” the typical Iowa caucus-goer is an “incredibly studious voter who takes their role in the process incredibly seriously.” As a result, he said, “I don’t think it’s going to be a slash-and-burn typical political issue.”

 

“I think voters will understand [that] by doing nothing, you're also changing these programs,” he added. “Long-term, they're unsustainable in their current makeup and particularly with federal spending the way it is. I think voters, certainly older voters in Iowa, care about Medicare, Social Security, but I also think they're going to recognize that a discussion about federal spending has to be had, and this certainly has to be a part of that.”

 

But he acknowledged that “it's probably always going to be the safer position to say we're not going to do anything.”

 

Entitlement reform was not the only point of contention to emerge among the 2024 candidates and likely contenders recently. In response to a questionnaire on the issue from Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, DeSantis broke with many of the other 2024 hopefuls, downplaying America's national interest in what he referred to as a "territorial dispute."

 

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests — securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness with our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural and military power of the Chinese Communist Party — becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them,” the governor said.

 

DeSantis suggested the Biden administration’s “virtual ‘blank-check’ funding of this conflict for ‘as long as it takes,’ without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges.”

 

Trump suggested Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he were still in office and that he would be able to broker a deal between the two countries if he were elected for another term. He also criticized the disproportionate amount of aid the U.S. has sent Ukraine compared to Europe.

 

Haley argued that opposing Russia in Ukraine is in fact a vital American national strategic interest. In explaining why opposing Russia is a vital interest, the former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. said: “America is far better off with a Ukrainian victory than a Russian victory, including avoiding a wider war,” she concluded. “If Russia wins, there is no reason to believe it will stop at Ukraine. And if Russia wins, then its closest allies, China and Iran, will become more aggressive.”

 

As DeSantis increasingly wades into various national debates, Ken Cuccinelli is kicking off a tour of the early primary states this week to meet with voters and discuss why the Florida governor should run in 2024. Cuccinelli, who previously served as the acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security under Trump, announced the launch of the Never Back Down PAC last week to urge DeSantis to run for president in 2024.

 

On Wednesday, DeSantis notched a key endorsement from Representative Chip Roy of Texas, a member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus. Roy, who was once a Trump ally, said it is “time for a new generation of leadership” and called for “younger, but proven, leadership.”

 

“It’s time for Ron DeSantis to be President of the United States,” he said.

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Trump going after Desantis
« Reply #338 on: March 15, 2023, 03:10:40 PM »
On ethics charges:

[it is unethical for DeSantis to run against Trump ie:
he owes Trump
and is not loyal "SO UNETHICAL" I can hear him say it loud the repeat the line with a whisper waiting for the dupes who listen to him to cheer]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ron-desantis-hit-ethics-complaint-165930766.html

if Trump wins the nomination
I  really do not know what I would do.......



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« Reply #339 on: March 16, 2023, 09:54:25 AM »
https://nypost.com/2023/03/16/marianne-williamson-prone-to-angry-fits-report/

what is the difference between this and Hillary or Kamala?

except that she is not part of the establishment

me : none

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I suspect Left's goal is to have Trump the Repub nominee
« Reply #340 on: March 18, 2023, 02:43:46 PM »
from the slymes:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-defense-shows-signs-slipping-142310395.html

find him guilty on everything
piss off the Magas have them all vow to vote Trump (foolish )
and then have him again lead us to losing the election




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Re: 2024
« Reply #341 on: March 19, 2023, 06:27:49 AM »
Concur.


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Re: 2024
« Reply #343 on: March 19, 2023, 10:31:31 AM »
".Neither DeSantis, who has not indicated whether he plans to run for president nor Haley has made any comment on the reports "

smart move !

My thought is they should downplay that this is about Trump and we should all NOT foolishly rally around *HIM* but we can also say this is an affront to ALL republicans, and conservatives and rally around THAT ?

I don't give crap about Trump though I do care about the distortion of the media, justice system, racism ,   etc against us

Can Ron or Nikki thread this needle
without sounding like we should  vow to vote for orange man?

not sure

Trump is of course (  :roll:) making it about him, not the cause

but it should be about the cause, not him.
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Re: I suspect Left's goal is to have Trump the Repub nominee
« Reply #344 on: March 19, 2023, 11:35:44 AM »
from the slymes:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-defense-shows-signs-slipping-142310395.html

find him guilty on everything
piss off the Magas have them all vow to vote Trump (foolish )
and then have him again lead us to losing the election

Re: Amer. Spectator case for Trump
« Reply #301 on: February 19, 2023, 09:12:05 AM »

Trump was never supposed to happen. Trump will NOT be allowed back into power.

All future elections will be fortified for their protection.


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Re: I suspect Left's goal is to have Trump the Repub nominee
« Reply #345 on: March 19, 2023, 12:02:53 PM »
from the slymes:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-defense-shows-signs-slipping-142310395.html

find him guilty on everything
piss off the Magas have them all vow to vote Trump (foolish )
and then have him again lead us to losing the election

Re: Amer. Spectator case for Trump
« Reply #301 on: February 19, 2023, 09:12:05 AM »

Trump was never supposed to happen. Trump will NOT be allowed back into power.

All future elections will be fortified for their protection.

Dan Bongino:

Make no mistake. The police state is already here folks.
That a sitting US president can operate a pay-for-play crime operation with his family, while his political party plans to arrest his opponent in the coming election, is textbook police state. Justice is dead and buried.

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Re: I suspect Left's goal is to have Trump the Repub nominee
« Reply #346 on: March 19, 2023, 12:04:52 PM »
from the slymes:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-defense-shows-signs-slipping-142310395.html

find him guilty on everything
piss off the Magas have them all vow to vote Trump (foolish )
and then have him again lead us to losing the election

Re: Amer. Spectator case for Trump
« Reply #301 on: February 19, 2023, 09:12:05 AM »

Trump was never supposed to happen. Trump will NOT be allowed back into power.

All future elections will be fortified for their protection.

Dan Bongino:

Make no mistake. The police state is already here folks.
That a sitting US president can operate a pay-for-play crime operation with his family, while his political party plans to arrest his opponent in the coming election, is textbook police state. Justice is dead and buried.

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1050,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/132/354/709/original/9e4e66274eb224ef.jpg




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Re: 2024
« Reply #347 on: March 19, 2023, 01:12:01 PM »
yup
well said Travis
 
"A New York City prosecutor who was publicly criticized for declining to charge Donald Trump last year now appears very close to bringing the first criminal indictment against a former president in U.S. history"

https://news.yahoo.com/looming-trump-charges-criticism-n-180640220.html

funny how the Dem shysters always seem to pull bogus charges at always the right time

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Re: 2024
« Reply #348 on: March 19, 2023, 02:41:31 PM »
yup
well said Travis
 
"A New York City prosecutor who was publicly criticized for declining to charge Donald Trump last year now appears very close to bringing the first criminal indictment against a former president in U.S. history"

https://news.yahoo.com/looming-trump-charges-criticism-n-180640220.html

funny how the Dem shysters always seem to pull bogus charges at always the right time

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/bill-clinton-paid-paula-jones-850000-in-hush-money-was-never-charged/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/two-tiered-justice-system-fec-fined-hillary-clinton-for-lying-about-funding-of-fake-russia-dossier-was-never-threatened-with-cuffs/