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Re: 2024
« Reply #600 on: July 03, 2023, 09:11:59 AM »
There is a greater likelihood of Hunter Biden discovering the cure for cancer.

Some idle ruminations:

Q: What if the Putin regime crashes from within/is overthrown by people looking to cut a deal with Biden-Blinken?  What implications for our 2024 election?

A-1:  Biden et al will claim great vision and great success and the Pravdas will echo the claim for and wide.

A-2:  This will be devastating politically for Trump and for DeSantis.

A-3:  At least half the Rep Party claim "We too supported the War!"

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« Reply #601 on: July 03, 2023, 10:00:47 AM »
".There is a greater likelihood of Hunter Biden discovering the cure for cancer. "

since we are on a, 'what if '
rant,

what if Hunter finds cure for cancer - what does that mean for Trump/DeSantis?

just kidding.  a have a smart ass gene somewhere in my DNA

 :-D

seriously
if the Ukraine Russia does somehow end on a positive note
 we will see the demented one bragging on what a genius he is ,  and the media
pointing it out 24/7. - no doubt - and of course they will use it against Republicans

That said keep in mind Biden has NEVER been right on foreign policy
so that is re assuring.


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« Reply #602 on: July 03, 2023, 11:11:09 AM »
https://nypost.com/2023/07/02/hunter-biden-filmed-himself-smoking-crack-behind-the-wheel/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter

Hunter S. Biden

".There is a greater likelihood of Hunter Biden discovering the cure for cancer. "

since we are on a, 'what if '
rant,

what if Hunter finds cure for cancer - what does that mean for Trump/DeSantis?

just kidding.  a have a smart ass gene somewhere in my DNA

 :-D

seriously
if the Ukraine Russia does somehow end on a positive note
 we will see the demented one bragging on what a genius he is ,  and the media
pointing it out 24/7. - no doubt - and of course they will use it against Republicans

That said keep in mind Biden has NEVER been right on foreign policy
so that is re assuring.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #603 on: July 04, 2023, 05:26:51 AM »
This could go in a number of threads.  I'm putting it in this one because of how Trump is staking out something both important and political here-- here is an example of how he actually would be tough on China. 

Off the top of my head, it sounds good to me.

In the real world one suspects China would want a trade-off regarding Taiwan.

Given how he looked the other way with Hong Kong, one could not rule out that Trump would make a deal here.


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Re: 2024
« Reply #605 on: July 06, 2023, 05:43:52 AM »
Wasn't her husband the "first black President"?  Because he played saxophone??

Obama, raised by "typical white folks", his words, came later and was only half black.
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2024, John Ellis on Trump's support
« Reply #606 on: July 06, 2023, 06:42:48 AM »
John (Prescott) Ellis is an admitted (H.W.) Bush Republican (and first cousin of George W Bush) but also an excellent journalist and political observer of the current scene.

Interesting that maybe three of us strongly see the need to move on to someone else like DeSantis, but the polls are telling a different story.  Great insights here, I think.

"the first step toward defeating Trump is to honor him"

"Trump voters won’t consent to his political funeral until they hear the eulogy first."

https://41jellis.medium.com/the-jacksonians-dd5dee06f65a

It didn’t get much coverage, but last week’s Fox News Poll perfectly captured the state of the race for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination with one remarkable data point. To wit: “Only 13% of GOP primary voters say they would never vote for Donald Trump.”

The Republican Party remains the Donald Trump Party, ceaseless purge attempts by “party elders,” major donors and mainstream media to the contrary. Lest anyone doubt the assertion, look no further than Mr. Trump’s rally in Pickens, South Carolina on Saturday. Fifty thousand people showed up; twice the seating capacity of Madison Square Garden. How big a crowd do you suppose Gov. Ron DeSantis could attract in Pickens, South Carolina on a sweltering hot Saturday afternoon of a holiday weekend? The question is the answer.

There are three parts to the Republican primary/caucus-attending electorate. Part one is suburban. Part two is exurban. Part three is rural. There aren’t any Republican primary voters to speak of in urban areas, which is why they’re not included in a “map” of the GOP primary/caucus-attending electorate.

Part one (suburbia) is where Trump is at least theoretically vulnerable. Part two (exurbia) is where Trump is strong but not invulnerable. Part three (rural) is where Trump is basically invulnerable.

This “map” of the GOP primary/caucus-attending electorate is (obviously) over-simplified and, to some degree, over-stated. But the key to understanding American politics is not how much money people have or how educated they are or how much social media they consume…..it’s where they live that matters most. The codes by which people live in the four geographic “divisions” are distinct (more or less) and produce sharply different views of the world at large.

The reason Trump’s support has never wavered since he lost the 2020 presidential election is that his support in rural and exurban America has never wavered. Indictments have been handed down, allegations of wrong-doing have surfaced (a lot of them), countless crazy rants have been posted (by Trump) on social media in the wee hours, Trump-endorsed candidates have lost key races…….you know the litany. It goes on and on (and on).

Through it all, Trump’s Jacksonian, rural-exurban base has remained loyal. And the more Trump comes under attack, be it from the mainstream media or the Biden Justice Department, Ron DeSantis or Chris Christie, the stronger that loyalty holds fast. Each and every attacker is running headlong into a central tenet of Jacksonian America, which says you never cut and run on one of your own.

Walter Mead, in an essay in Foreign Affairs, described the politics underlying Trump’s rise and enduring appeal as follows:

The distinctively American populism Trump espouses is rooted in the thought and culture of the country’s first populist president, Andrew Jackson. For Jacksonians — who formed the core of Trump’s passionately supportive base — the United States is not a political entity created and defined by a set of intellectual propositions rooted in the Enlightenment and oriented toward the fulfillment of a universal mission. Rather, it is the nation-state of the American people, and its chief business lies at home. Jacksonians see American exceptionalism not as a function of the universal appeal of American ideas, or even as a function of a unique American vocation to transform the world, but rather as rooted in the country’s singular commitment to the equality and dignity of individual American citizens. The role of the U.S. government, Jacksonians believe, is to fulfill the country’s destiny by looking after the physical security and economic well-being of the American people in their national home — and to do that while interfering as little as possible with the individual freedom that makes the country unique.

Jacksonian populism is only intermittently concerned with foreign policy, and indeed it is only intermittently engaged with politics more generally. It took a particular combination of forces and trends to mobilize it this (2016) election cycle, and most of those were domestically focused. In seeking to explain the Jacksonian surge, commentators have looked to factors such as wage stagnation, the loss of good jobs for unskilled workers, the hollowing out of civic life, a rise in drug use — conditions many associate with life in blighted inner cities that have spread across much of the country. But this is a partial and incomplete view. Identity and culture have historically played a major role in American politics, and 2016 was no exception. Jacksonian America felt itself to be under siege, with its values under attack and its future under threat. Trump — flawed as many Jacksonians themselves believed him to be — seemed the only candidate willing to help fight for its survival.

That’s how Trump is perceived in rural and exurban America — the only candidate willing to help fight for the survival of Jacksonian America. At his rallies, Trump pays homage to Jacksonians. When he comes out on stage, he does not bask in their adoration. He walks back and forth across the stage……and, clapping his hands, applauds them — the general saluting the troops. It’s brilliant stagecraft, and greatly appreciated. No politician has ever applauded them before.

There has been much huffing and puffing in the mainstream media and the tonier precincts of conservative politics about “taking Trump on directly” and “ripping the bark off him.” Part of why Trump rolls along, the thinking goes, is that he is allowed to do so by his GOP opponents. Put another way, he can’t be beat if he’s not beaten up.

This is why Chris Christie gets favorable press for “scorching” Trump in press interviews and TV town halls and why Ron DeSantis gets some good ink when he alludes to Trumpian malfeasance or incompetence. This is also why neither Chris Christie nor Ron DeSantis will ever see an audience of 50,000 people in front of them.

To be clear, Trump’s “base” is not wedded to Trump. Like every other “voting bloc,” it is open to suggestions. And it’s as transactional and pragmatic as the next constituency. Take away their Social Security and Medicare and watch your poll numbers collapse. But beneath their transactional concerns lies a code, which compels certain behaviors. And the most important of those “behaviors” are loyalty and respect.

Trump voters won’t consent to his political funeral until they hear the eulogy first. This seems obvious on its face but it’s remarkable (if not amazing) that Trump’s opponents don’t seem to understand that the first step toward defeating Trump is to honor him. Asserting that Trump is some kind of transexual pervert enabler, as a DeSantis video recently did, is so unbelievably stupid it takes your breath away.

“The amazing thing about Trump,” former Fox News CEO Roger Ailes once said, after Trump’s election in 2016, “is…..he just keeps going.” If the other Republicans can’t figure out a eulogy strategy, Trump will go on to become the party’s presidential nominee for the third time in three cycles. Jacksonian America endures. Trump endures as a result.

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more thoughts on John Ellis article
« Reply #607 on: July 06, 2023, 07:15:24 AM »
good article , Doug

and great thoughts

Attacking Trump does not seem to be breaking . Indeed , attack him and you attack
the MAGAs  so their response is to defend the first President who stuck up for them /us.

OTOH if you embrace him then you are also promoting him.  :-o

So logically to me the only option left is to neither embrace him or attack him
but embrace the work he has done for us but continue to explain why it is best for all of us to move on

DeSantis may simply not have the charisma
to do that ......

But making the case one appreciates Trump [ :roll:]
but one is better suited to carry on his "greatest the world has ever seen " accomplishments instead of HIM is very tough.

yet, if we stay with him , that will be our best chance to LOSE in '24.

we are so screwed...

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Re: more thoughts on John Ellis article
« Reply #608 on: July 06, 2023, 08:03:00 AM »
ccp,  right.

In the first debate, which Trump will probably not attend and no one will probably watch, Christie can run hard against Trump and DeSantis can run hard against left governance currently named Biden. Position himself as heir to Trump, not rival to Trump.

The polls have been steady so nothing small, no rival stump speech, will shake Trump's lead for the nomination.

The next major development in the Republican race will likely be news that Biden will not be the Democrat nominee.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/07/05/politico-what-if-biden-just-dies-one-evening-n2625350
Then the question changes to, who matches up best against new democratic leadership?

I do not believe the dynamic of the race (between two 80-year-olds) will not change in the next 8 to 16 months. At present, polls say, Trump has half the Republican support and 'Not-Trump' has the other half with DeSantis still leading in that lane.

Trump wins the nomination in the current circumstance no matter what the others do (I'm sorry to say).  44-year-old DeSantis at this point is running for nothing more than VP and heir to the movement until something beyond his control changes.

A VP candidate's job is to attack the current administration, policies and direction. Same thing DeSantis (and the others) should be doing right now anyway.

Remove the ego and keep the eyes on the long fight, linking leftist policies to actual results and reforming the election mess.

Food prices up 50%. Gas prices up 50%. Mortgage interest costs up 150%. Left a mess in Afghanistan and emboldened Putin to invade his neighbor, risking a WWIII. Keep the focus on making a positive change in direction, strengthening the nation, the economy, the border - no matter who the names on the ticket end up being.
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Re: 2024
« Reply #609 on: July 06, 2023, 08:27:09 AM »
Some random thoughts:

1:
a) terrible legal challenges are accelerating for Joe, not just Hunter. 

b) Joe's senility advances,

c) Trump is now beating Joe in some polls

d) powerful forces lurk beneath the surface to jettison him for Newsom.

2: Assumption shattering changes could arise in Russia and/or Ukraine:
a) Putin could be defenestrated
b) Russian Army/Wagner could refuse to fight
c) the nuke plant in Ukraine could suffer something dastardly
d) in some of this scenarios Biden claims great victory and Trump/DeSantis will be badly damaged

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Noonan: May Trump soon reach his Waterloo
« Reply #610 on: July 07, 2023, 11:36:10 AM »
May Trump Soon Reach His Waterloo
The former president isn’t Napoleon, but there are similarities in the cults around both men.
Peggy Noonan
July 6, 2023 6:09 pm ET



If you frequently have a screen on, your impression this summer is that all the hungry things are coming closer in. The sharks are coming closer to shore, the beaches suddenly closed. Bears have been coming in closer for years, deer too. Alligators are advancing onto the golf course and creeping out of the pond.

Candidates for president are coming in closer, away from their natural habitat in the greenrooms of the east and into the heartland primary states, marching in July Fourth parades, waving sweatily, hoping someone will wave back. To mark their summer kickoff, a few thoughts on the race.

The first primaries are just more than six months away, the first GOP debate is next month, and yet the only thing to be sure of is that clear and consistent majorities of Republicans, Democrats and independents don’t want the choice they’re likely to get, a race between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. It has a depressing effect on political talk. If either party were daring and serious about history, it would shake off its front-runner and increase its chances of winning in 2024. It feels weird that, politics being the cold business it is, neither is making this pragmatic decision.

Democrats are stopped by their fear of the apparatus of presidential power. They’re afraid to push against the big, inert, tentacled power blob that is the presidency. They fear they can’t raise money in such circumstances; they fear unsettling things—better the devil you know—and fear that a challenge to Biden-Harris will be interpreted by a major part of their base as a move against the multiracial first female vice president. They fear their party isn’t organized enough, in a way isn’t real enough, to execute an unexpected national primary race.

If Mr. Biden had more imagination than hunger, he’d apprehend his position and move boldly: “After long thought, I judge that I have done the job set for me by history: I removed Donald Trump and saw to the ravages of the pandemic. I now throw open the gates and say to my party: Go pick a president. You did all right last time, you’ll do fine this time too.” What a hero he’d be—impressive to his foes, moving to his friends. History would treat him kindly too: “Not since George Washington . . .” But he has more hunger than imagination.

Many Republicans, the polls say, are also having trouble letting go.

This weekend I reread Paul Johnson’s “Napoleon,” which came out in 2002, part of his series of brief lives. Johnson paints his subject as genius and devil and spends time on his political unscrupulousness: “French rule was corrupt and rapacious.” In conquered nations France took everything not nailed down, especially art, which would go to the Louvre for the convenience of the world. At birth, nature gave Napoleon great gifts but “denied him things that most people, however humble, take for granted—the ability to distinguish between truth and falsehood, or right and wrong.” He was a mountebank who hid his “small feminine hand” inside his waistcoat and lavished his person with cologne.

It should be noted, should your mind be going there, that Donald Trump isn’t Napoleon, who was a serious man, or anyone else. He’s a one-off, and of his time.

But Johnson writes of the cult of Napoleon in a way that is now pertinent. As he rose, “the English intellectuals, if that is not too fancy a term, were divided.” Lord Liverpool, who as a young man had witnessed the French Revolution and never got over its horrors, located his place in history: Napoleon was the man who took a violent French mob and turned it into an army that terrorized Europe. William Wordsworth protested his cruel treatment of the peasants in occupied countries; Samuel Taylor Coleridge saw him as a threat to democratic freedoms—“the evil genius of the planet.” Edmund Burke was of course Napoleon’s most powerful literary foe.

Others, still captivated by the revolution, saw him as its residual heir. Some hated monarchy and welcomed Bonaparte as an enemy of the British throne. Some admired him “more as a criticism of British institutions and ruling personalities than in approval of his doings.” The poets John Keats and Percy Shelley saw him as a romantic hero, a daring breakthrough artist of history. Johnson thinks they were influenced by the work of Napoleon’s paid propagandists, especially the painters Jacques-Louis David and Antoine-Jean Gros.

“The cult of Bonaparte was originally wide, but it did not last,” Johnson writes. It had power in the moment, but it passed. Reality settled in; history made its judgments. The cultists changed the subject, or added nuance when pressed to explain their previous support.

But Johnson sees in the Napoleon cult the beginning of something, the rise of mass and effective political propaganda. “In the twentieth century, this infatuation was to occur time and again.” George Bernard Shaw, that brilliant man, fell for Stalin and became his willing dupe. Norman Mailer and others worshiped Castro; French intellectuals celebrated Mao.


The Irish writer Fintan O’Toole wrote in the New York Times in 2017 of Shaw’s loyalty to Stalin. In political cults there is “the tendency to fantasize. . . . There is the same impatience with the messiness and inefficiency of democracy, and it leads to the same crush on the strongman leader who can cut through the irrelevant natterings of parliaments and parties.”

Back to now. Chris Christie could easily defeat Joe Biden. So could several of the GOP candidates now in the field. Donald Trump wouldn’t, for one big reason: His special superpower is that he is the only Republican who will unite and rally the Democratic base and drive independents away. He keeps the Biden coalition together.

A sad thing is that many bright Trump supporters sense this, and the case against him, but can’t concede it and break from him, in some cases because they fear him and his friends. They don’t want to be a target, they don’t want to be outside the in-group, they want to be safely inside. They curry favor.

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Hypo: Trump-RFK ticket
« Reply #611 on: July 07, 2023, 03:27:19 PM »

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Trump reminds us he is a petty man
« Reply #612 on: July 11, 2023, 05:21:10 AM »
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lashes-out-kim-reynolds-iowa-caucuses-2024-desantis-2023-7

It's not a coronation.  Good people are free to choose whoever they think is best for the nomination, and in the general election.  He is supposed to EARN their support (words, deeds, debates for example), not 'win' it by shunning or threatening to destroy them if they prefer someone else to carry the ball forward.  No one likes a bully.  Someone tell Trump that.

Review the tape of Debate 1 2000 vs Biden if anyone thinks Trump is SO good he doesn't need to face his challengers.  He.was.awful.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #613 on: July 11, 2023, 05:33:31 AM »
I remember that debate.  A profound embarrassment!

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Re: 2024
« Reply #614 on: July 11, 2023, 07:50:55 AM »
agree

I can't stand what a petty manchild he is.

he can't simply dispute the '20 election.  He has to beat his chest and claim he won by "A LOT!!!!"

and the MAGA fools cheer and clap ........

DeSantis sounds so much better if one listens to what he says

but the MAGAS refuse to give him any credit and the MSM refuse to give him ANYTHING but insults.

reminds me about the corona vaccine - and Trump

LEFT no  credit
RIGHT no blame

I pray Trump has sudden medical condition before he brings us all down...



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2024, When is Biden off the ticket?
« Reply #615 on: July 11, 2023, 06:10:09 PM »
A lot of betting games going about when Biden drops out of the race.

Smart money says probably later rather than sooner, but I'll take August 2023 just to get in the game.

Key indicator, when Maureen Dowd of the NYT notices it's despicable ("callous and hypocritical that Slow Joe refuses to recognize his out of wedlock granddaughter.
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/2023/07/10/maureen-dowd-joe-bidens-treatment-of-his-seventh-grandchild-is-callous-and-hypocritical/

Umm, Maureen, she's 4 years old now.  4 years of media silence! What changed, do you suppose?!

SOMEBODY gave the marching orders to no longer protect NYT is closer to whoever is really in charge than Joe is.

In August 2023 Joe will announce that he wishes to spend more time with family, especially his young son Hunter (57?) during these formative years before he inevitably grows up and moves out of the house.  - Doug 7-11-2023
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Re: 2024
« Reply #616 on: July 11, 2023, 06:21:27 PM »
I am thinking as late as he can.  So he can avoid the "lame duck" label
and the people really behind the operation can continue to press forward
their agenda (backward) as far as they can .

Plus they want to be in the mix for power in the next operation .

So as soon as Newsom announces they and ex Clintonites will be flocking at his feet.




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Re: 2024
« Reply #618 on: July 12, 2023, 04:21:53 AM »
If he (Biden) stays in the race, he should make a clear public statement that he feels fine and has no suicidal thoughts and pre-order the autopsy should something happen.  The powers that be are not him. He is the puppet not the power.
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Re: 2024
« Reply #619 on: July 12, 2023, 09:58:41 AM »
It appears that the long knives are out for him.  Eh tu Gavin?

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Tucker - Nikki
« Reply #620 on: July 16, 2023, 01:34:37 PM »
have not yet listened to the whole tape
yet
but I like the first 12 minutes

she could be my back up if DeSantis cannot gain traction
though I am not happy with her immigration stance
but perhaps she will address that later in the tape

https://www.westernjournal.com/nikki-haley-forces-tucker-answer-question-shrug/

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« Reply #621 on: July 16, 2023, 01:59:19 PM »
saw rest of interview

and thought it was good

the follow up was of course with all MAGA heads starting with Kari Lake - > me ->  :roll:

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Trump at the UFC
« Reply #622 on: July 16, 2023, 08:51:13 PM »

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Talk is cheap, Trump is not a team builder
« Reply #623 on: July 17, 2023, 04:45:55 AM »
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/07/16/trump-admits-appointing-fbi-director-wray-a-mistake-n2625784

How many high level appointments were a mistake by his own admission?  And he did nothing about cleaning up anti Americanism in the rank and file deep state.

I'm not saying it would be easy to do. Just saying he didn't do it.

If he was honest about it, he would say it can't be done in just one term, which is all he's eligible for.

He went ballistic on voting irregularities AFTER he lost - but who had the bully pulpit while it was happening?

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Re: 2024
« Reply #624 on: July 17, 2023, 05:26:40 AM »
"If he was honest about it"

so he finally comes clean and admits mistakes - sort of , kind of.

"How many high level appointments were a mistake by his own admission?"

The mistakes he sort of admits to are only of the people around him - never himself.
And almost always people who after working from him who turn on him.   

They were not loyal enough.
Well, one has to earn loyalty.  Funny how more people who left his administration would later come out and write anti-Trump books, go on enemy news station and report negative reviews of him - more than every President in my lifetime put together.  Why is that ? 

He blames the deep state - maybe - but maybe it is him.



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Re: 2024
« Reply #625 on: July 17, 2023, 06:40:16 AM »
Jeff Sessions, Bill Barr, Rex Tillerson, John Bolton, Mattis, McMaster, these were his picks!

Fauci, Birx, he kept them on, WHY?

Jerome Powell, are you kidding me?  Read these pages, I said pick John Taylor, Stanford Professor, author of the Taylor Rule.  But no, the outsider picks and insider and it's business as usual at the Fed. Right down the path to losing reserve currency status, on his watch. 

Election insecurity, happened on his watch.  Fall of half free Hong Kong, happened on his watch. No shots fired, not even a verbal one.  Distracted by covid.

So many accomplishments, almost all undone by his character flaws and losses to follow.

He won't debate Republicans because of his big lead.  Then play the tape of his last one.  Shameful. Worst performance EVER for an incumbent.

If Trump is the nominee, it's almost a certainty I will vote for him, but my expectation is that we will lose the election and the country.  Some here say it's already lost, but why not take one more shot at winning - even if it's just to stall off our demise.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #626 on: July 17, 2023, 07:14:09 AM »
Powerful points.

Best possible counter arguments I can think of:

a) He came in extraordinarily unconnected with Washington; 

b)  During the campaign, and from Day One in office he was sabotaged and stabbed in the back by the most nefarious Deep State conspiracy in our country's history;

c) Remember all that he did right-- and it is a lot.


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2024
« Reply #627 on: July 17, 2023, 07:20:38 AM »
Our heads are in the same place with this

I am baffled by why so many Republicans still adore him.   :-o

if he does win the nomination it will be the first time in my lifetime I ever felt obligated to vote for some one I truly hate.

I was tepid with Ford, Dole, W. (the first time), McCain, Romney

but I did not despise them

or feel they would crash us all.

our only hope is if it is him, the Democrat would be worse ......

God help us.


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« Reply #628 on: July 17, 2023, 07:53:29 AM »
The Oddly Cautious Challengers to Trump

On the menu today: The first Republican presidential debate of the 2024 cycle is about five weeks away, and there’s a strange, inverted dynamic at work in the GOP field. Usually, the frontrunner runs a cautious campaign, while the underdogs and longshots take bigger risks, attempting to stand out, gain ground, and peel away supporters from the frontrunner. But so far, it feels like the opposite is happening, with a lot of the longshots running generic, predictable, cookie-cutter campaigns, while Donald Trump is his usual erratic, unpredictable, winging-it self.

A Peculiar Primary

An odd dynamic is at work in the 2024 Republican presidential primary. Some of the candidates who are so far behind, with the least to lose, are campaigning very cautiously and predictably, almost afraid to make waves. Meanwhile, frontrunner Donald Trump, who you would think would have the most to lose, is campaigning with his trademark wild abandon and sudden reversals, throwing caution to the wind.

A slew of candidates entered as underdogs and are offering, at least from my perspective, something of a generic, cookie-cutter GOP agenda. Secure the border. Increase domestic energy production. Cut taxes. Build up the military. Roll back or undo “Bidenomics.” Stop “woke” indoctrination in our schools.

There’s nothing wrong with those agenda items, but they are indistinguishable from what every other Republican candidate is promising. Getting up on stage and pledging to enact those policies doesn’t stand out, and a lot of GOP primary voters have heard it all before.

It seems the non-Trump candidates are still struggling to figure out what the modern Republican presidential-primary voters want. About half the party wants Trump again and doesn’t seem interested in any alternative. The candidates competing for the rest can’t quite figure out whether they should try to emulate Trump, try to be different than Trump, or offer a bit from column A and a bit from column B (and if so, in what proportion and what combination).

If everyone sticks to the generic laundry list of priorities, it may well reflect that the campaigns have concluded that Republican presidential-primary voters don’t care about the details of policy, and laying out their agenda in broad strokes is all that is needed to win votes.

I notice quite a few of the GOP presidential-campaign websites do not have “issues” or agenda sections yet. Some of these candidates do feature their most recent media appearances, which sometimes give a sense of their policy proposals. But they don’t have any set-aside section that lays out their to-do list in detail. They all have ways to contribute, and almost all have online stores for campaign merchandise. If you want to peruse them yourself, here are the campaign websites for Chris Christie, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, Tim Scott, and Francis Suarez.

You know which GOP candidates do feature an issues page on their websites? Doug Burgum, Will Hurd, Asa Hutchinson, Vivek Ramaswamy, and — I’ll mention him just because we shared a stage in Memphis this weekend — Larry Elder. Oh, and . . . Donald Trump!

I wonder if some campaigns have calculated that putting out specific policy proposals just gives the other rival campaigns targets to snipe at and language to exaggerate, misconstrue, and demonize. I hope this isn’t the case, as “trust me, we’ll work out the details later” is a promise that Republicans have heard many, many times before, often with disappointing results. I agree with Christie’s campaign slogan that “the truth matters,” and the truth is that there are still some of us nerds and geeks out here who actually want to see a policy agenda with specifics from presidential candidates.

“The devil is in the details” is just a saying, people. You don’t make the devil go away by refusing to go into any details.

The campaign websites all have “biography” sections. I think voters ought to really scrutinize a candidate’s history and record, particularly when they’ve had to run an institution and build coalitions to enact changes in policy. But so far, the evidence suggests that GOP primary voters aren’t that interested. Back in 2015, Henry Barbour, a committeeman for the Republican National Committee and an informal adviser to Rick Perry’s campaign, lamented, “We are into an age where it seems like your ability to get yourself on cable news and be a rock star in a reality-TV era matters more than what you’ve accomplished in a state like Texas or New Jersey or Florida. . . . It’s tough, and it’s not good, but it is reality. And campaigns have to deal with what the voters are looking for.”

How much has changed since 2015? The non-Trump candidates spend a lot of time emphasizing their experience, offering it as proof that they know how to get results. But about 45 percent of GOP primary voters in 2016 didn’t care that Donald Trump had never run anything in government before. This cycle, one of the few long-shot candidates who has shown any sign of catching fire is Ramaswamy, who hit 8 percent in a Morning Consult national poll, good enough for third place. At best, Republican primary voters seem uninterested in a candidate’s experience and accomplishments. At worst, maybe they see experience and accomplishments as liabilities, signs that a candidate is part of the dreaded “establishment.”

If you’re rooting for DeSantis, it’s a good sign that he’s shaking up his staff. No, his campaign isn’t collapsing, but his current approach and team haven’t gotten him where he wants to go. The pressure to perform in the upcoming debate keeps increasing, and as our Luther Ray Abel points out, fireworks in some mainstream-media interviews would probably help, too.

Some longshot candidates don’t appear to have much of a plan. Former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson endured some mockery for an image of him addressing a crowd of six people. He recently told the New York Times that his goal in Iowa is to finish in the top five, which is an insanely low goal and definition of success. The fifth-place finishers in Iowa in previous cycles were Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Ron Paul, John McCain, Phil Gramm, and Pete du Pont. A fifth-place finish may not even earn a single delegate. No one must try to marginalize Hutchinson because he’s doing a fine job of marginalizing himself.

If you’re a Republican presidential candidate currently polling at five percent or less . . . what are you being cautious for? Where has your current approach gotten you so far?

Longshot candidates, let me be the one to communicate the hard truth that apparently your campaign staff is afraid to tell you: You’re not going to get very far on your charm and good looks. You’ll be lucky if you get noticed on that debate stage amidst all the other candidates making the same promises. Very few voters will be wowed by your resume. Running for president is much, much harder than running for governor or senator. The hours and travel are a slog, the pressure to raise money is relentless, the press coverage and scrutiny are often brutal, and the competition is fierce. If you want the presidency, you must take some chances. Heck, if you just want attention, you must take some chances, too.

On the flip side, Trump keeps making decisions that would damage a normal candidate, but that so far have no sign of impacting his popularity. Remember Trump’s dinner with Kanye and Nick Fuentes? Apparently, GOP voters don’t find that worrying. Remember Trump declaring on Truth Social that “A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution”? There’s no sign that post hurt Trump at all.

Trump called Nevada “disgraceful” and insisted he won the state in 2020. (Here in this dimension, Biden won the state by 33,596 votes, or about 2.4 percentage points.)

He trashed his own former press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany. He blamed Chris Christie for recommending Christopher Wray, Trump’s own appointee to be director of the FBI. He’s argued that disgraced former New York governor Andrew Cuomo handled the pandemic better than his primary rival Ron DeSantis. He’s threatening to skip the debates.

In ordinary politics, these sorts of statements and blame-shifting backfire.

Trump skipped the 2023 Family Leadership Summit in Iowa entirely; we’ll see if this has any effect on his support in Iowa. During The Blaze’s coverage of the event, his biggest cheerleader, Kari Lake, declared, “There’s some lovely people that are on this stage, but I feel like we’re dealing with the B-team here.” More than a few conservatives on social media couldn’t believe that a woman who lost a race to Katie Hobbs had the gall to call multi-term governors and senators the “B-team” — and noted that her preferred “A-team” didn’t even bother to show up in Iowa.

Instead of going to Iowa, Trump stayed in Florida and spoke at the Turning Point Action conference. In that speech, he declared that he was only using the term “crooked” on Joe Biden now, and that “I took the name ‘crooked’ away from Hillary and gave her a new name, ‘beautiful.’ I don’t believe in the same name for two people.”

As far as we can tell, none of this has hindered Trump’s effort to win the 2024 Republican presidential nomination — in Iowa, New Hampshire, or nationally. Yes, it’s early, and Republican-leaning voters may not be paying too much attention yet.

In fact, Trump remains so erratic that he can switch positions on a dime. For much of the past year, Trump and his supporters have argued that U.S. support for Ukraine is a terrible mistake and waste, and that Volodymyr Zelensky is unworthy of American assistance. At one of Trump’s rallies, Ted Nugent declared Zelensky a “homosexual weirdo.”

Then, this weekend, in an interview with Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo, Trump outlined a scenario where he would dramatically increase U.S. military aid to Ukraine:

“I know Zelensky very well. I felt he was very honorable, because when they asked him about the perfect phone call that I made, he said it was indeed per- he said it was, he didn’t even know what they were talking about! He could have grandstanded, ‘Oh, I felt threatened. . . .’”

“I know Zelensky very well and I know Putin very well. Even better. And I had a good relationship, very good, with both of them. I would tell Zelensky, ‘No more. You gotta make a deal.’ I would tell Putin, ‘If you don’t make a deal, we’re gonna give them a lot. We’re gonna give them more than they’ve ever got, if we have to.’ I will have the deal done in one day. One day.”

So, Trump’s plan is to cut off arms shipments to Ukraine, and then see whether Putin agrees to a deal; if Putin does not, Trump would then ship even more arms to Ukraine.


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2024, the Biden Kennedy challenge
« Reply #630 on: July 21, 2023, 05:44:15 AM »
The best Kennedy around is a Republican senator from Louisiana, but a Kennedy carrying the RFK namesake is challenging Joe Biden for the nomination and winning some attention. He may not win but he evokes memory of two moments from history. A Kennedy challenged incumbent Jimmy Carter's re-election in 1980. He didn't win but he loosened the jar and Carter went on to lose 44 states to an "actor from California".

In 1968 Eugene McCarthy challenged Lyndon Johnson with a Kennedy waiting in the wings. Johnson won the New Hampshire primary but his performance disappointed by so much that he left the race, and a Republican ended up winning the Presidency.

No conclusion to this story yet, but history tells us that weakening the incumbent does not help the incumbent party, and this incumbent can barely stand up to begin with.

Beating up the challenger in his own party doesn't help the incumbent either.

Democrats should ignore RFK Jr.  Attacking him gives him stature.  I don't see them attacking (third place) Williamson.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/rfk-jr-responds-to-democrat-attacks-at-weaponization-hearing_5411489.html

Newsome is thinking, give it up already, and Biden is thinking, don't be a lame duck, don't be any lamer than he already is, especially in the face of the exploding corruption scandal. Xi and Vlad are thinking, past the popcorn.
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Re: 2024
« Reply #631 on: July 21, 2023, 07:06:08 AM »
"In 1968 Eugene McCarthy challenged Lyndon Johnson with a Kennedy waiting in the wings. Johnson won the New Hampshire primary but his performance disappointed by so much that he left the race, and a Republican ended up winning the Presidency."

The way I remember, LBJ decided not to run after McCarthy did well and RFK entered the race but I could be wrong.

I had a bit of a ring side seat of this time.

My mother and future Congresswoman Bella Abzug ran a committee for the Dem Party for 17th CD in Manhattan (a.k.a. the Silk Stock District) that met in our home in support of the McCarthy campaign.  The 17th Dems were heavily McCarthy and the fear was that RFK and Humphrey supporters wanting to be delegates at the nominating convention would pretend to be McCarthy supporters and then vote for Humphrey at the Convention so the committee's purpose was to suss out the sincerity of their support for McCarthy.

Among the guests at the meetings:
Ted Sorenson
Allard Lowenstein (McCarthy's campaign manager)
David Halberstam (author e.g. The Best and the Brightest)
Ed Koch
Betty Fridan

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NRO: President Harris?
« Reply #632 on: July 21, 2023, 08:03:44 AM »
Some subtle analysis here:
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Kamala Harris’s High Presidential Odds

On the menu today: I began this morning by contemplating the question of which figure was most likely to shape the future of Ukraine. Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and Russian dictator Vladimir Putin came first to mind, of course, and then President Joe Biden. But beyond 2025, the person who is most likely to be shaping U.S. policy on this conflict, and everything else, is Vice President Kamala Harris. Right now, Donald Trump is beating Ron DeSantis, and Joe Biden is beating Donald Trump despite barely hanging on to the ability to perform his duties at age 80. This is a recipe for a President Harris to end up calling the shots in the coming years, and considering the consequences, it is remarkably under-discussed.

The Real Presidential Favorite

Right now, Donald Trump looks like a considerable favorite to win the Republican presidential nomination, with slightly more than half of GOP-leaning voters eager to nominate him again, and the other slightly less than half split among the rest of the field. Yes, Ron DeSantis has the largest chunk of that minority, but he’s well behind Trump and has a lot of work to do to regain momentum, consolidate support, and overtake the former president.

The national head-to-head polling numbers between President Joe Biden and Trump are closer than you might think. Right now, in the RealClearPolitics average, Biden is only ahead by half a percentage point. But we don’t select our president through a national popular vote, we do so through an Electoral College. And in those swing states, the early polling points to a tight contest.

In mid June in Arizona, Public Opinion Strategies (POS) found Biden beating Trump by two percentage points, while Ron DeSantis beat Biden by eight percentage points. The same firm surveying at the same time found Biden beating Trump by three percentage points in Pennsylvania, while DeSantis beat Biden by three points. In Georgia, POS found Biden beat Trump by two percentage points, while DeSantis beat Biden by three. In Michigan, the same firm found DeSantis beating Biden by two percentage points, while Trump trails Biden by a point. And in Nevada, POS found DeSantis beating Biden by two points, and Trump losing to Biden by four points.

Perhaps most surprisingly, in my home state of Virginia, POS finds DeSantis and Biden tied, while Biden is ahead of Trump by seven percentage points.

In fact, once you start looking at other states and other pollsters, you see a consistent pattern of DeSantis winning just a few percentage points more support than Trump does in head-to-head matchups with Biden. In North Carolina, Opinion Diagnostics finds DeSantis winning over Biden by five percentage points, while Trump beats Biden by three points. Over in Wisconsin, Marquette University polling found Biden beating DeSantis by two percentage points, but beating Trump by nine points.

These polls were conducted in June and July, and most of their results were within the margin of error. Voters’ preferences may well change between now and then, although both Trump and Biden are the ultimate well-established brands.

You can put as much stock in those polling numbers as you like. I see a Republican Party that has at least one candidate who has good odds of beating Biden in a bunch of key swing states, but appears determined to not nominate that guy. (The fact that DeSantis is beating Biden in so many of these swing states undermines the conventional wisdom that “no one likes DeSantis” and “Biden is in strong shape for reelection.”) The GOP appears hell-bent on nominating the guy who is trailing Biden in a lot of these swing states, and who in fact already lost these swing states in this exact same matchup three years ago.

Right now, Trump appears likely to beat DeSantis and everyone else in the 2024 GOP primary. Right now, Biden appears likely to beat Trump in the 2024 general election.

The good news for Biden is that back in April, a longevity-modeling firm told the Financial Times that its model calculated that Joe Biden will live until age 91, which would take him through a second term. The bad news is that the model only accounts for life expectancy, not quality of health in those final years. Dementia and cognitive impairment are common among those who reach old age, and the presidency requires a man to be at the top of his game, day after day, year after year.

On Tuesday, President Biden had a public meeting with Israeli president Isaac Herzog at the White House, and Biden did not look well. (You can watch the video and judge for yourself.) His head drooped down as he read prepared remarks from a notecard, and his voice was particularly soft and mumbled. (No, Biden did not fall asleep, as Monica Crowley tweeted.) There’s no need to exaggerate the reasons for concern; Biden looked exhausted and was almost inaudible, even though this was his first public event since the previous Thursday. He was not jet-lagged from some long foreign trip; He’d spent the weekend at Camp David. His only scheduled event on Monday was his daily presidential briefing from the intelligence community.

How much more energetic, sharp, and focused do you think Joe Biden will be in the years between January 2025 and January 2029? The likelihood that Biden will no longer be able to perform his duties as he approaches his mid-80s is considerable.

So in the coming years, the person who may well have the biggest role in shaping the U.S. economy, the ongoing U.S. response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the rise of an aggressive China, the nominations to the Supreme Court, and the fentanyl and border crises is . . . Vice President Kamala Harris.

Not many Americans have great confidence in that scenario. As of July 5, 41 percent of registered voters had a favorable opinion of Harris and 53 percent had an unfavorable opinion. A recent NBC poll found just 32 percent of respondents have a favorable opinion of her, the lowest score for any vice president in the poll’s history.

The argument from some Harris fans is that this reflects systemic racism and sexism and “gendered disinformation.” Today in The Hill, Lauren Leader contends, “It’s hard to square the outsized negative attention she receives with any rational critique, and impossible not to see parallels to the only other woman ever to come so close to our nation’s highest office — Hillary Clinton.”

(If you’re Harris, you would probably prefer not to be compared to Hillary Clinton.)

The problem with this counterargument is, you don’t get a record-low approval rating just because of conspiracy theories and criticism from the opposition. Ask Joe Biden if he feels like the opposition is fair to him and his family. Everybody in politics gets this to some degree, and there are just as many left-wing loons spinning conspiracy theories and mean memes about Republicans as right-wing loons doing the same to Democrats.

As this newsletter has mentioned a few times, it isn’t just Republicans who have no faith in Harris; quite a few Democratic officials will say, on background or off the record, that they no longer believe she will ever have “the force, charisma and skill to mount a winning presidential campaign.” This is why you have not seen a single prominent Democratic official or left-of-center columnist calling upon Biden to limit himself to one term and for Harris to be the Democrats’ 2024 presidential nominee. There are reports that even President Biden is disappointed in her performance.

Right now, 17 percent of Democrats have an unfavorable opinion of Harris. I doubt that is driven by right-wing criticism or “gendered disinformation.” Right now, 59 percent of independents feel unfavorably about her, and only 30 percent of independents feel favorable.

We are getting some “Kamala Harris has turned a corner” pieces again, a political tradition as predictable as the biannual “this is the year Texas Democrats win some key statewide races” pieces.

Democrats convinced themselves that Harris was a political superstar, just waiting to burst onto the stage.

Let’s put aside her bizarre rambling for a moment. Harris had arguably the best debut in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary in June 2019 — iironically because she took on Joe Biden over forced-busing policies in the 1970s and landed the line, “That little girl was me.” On paper, Harris did have everything a presidential candidate would want — a unique profile as a minority woman with prosecutorial experience, an extensive fundraising network and base of support in the country’s most populated state, and relative youth and energy compared to bigger names like Biden and Bernie Sanders.

But by November 2019, Harris was ending her campaign before any votes were cast, and a devastating profile in the New York Times pulled back the curtain on her dysfunctional campaign, full of infighting, disgruntled staff, furious managers, finger-pointing, and botched decisions, all presided over by an indecisive candidate. Between that and the rotating carousel of staff coming in and out of Harris’s office during her time as vice president, the evidence is clear: Harris is a lousy manager. The Biden team only allowed her to bring over a handful of her Senate staffers, and it’s been near-constant friction ever since. Even worse, almost every staffer who has a bad experience with her has no fear of crossing her, and is eager to blab about how lousy the experience was to outlets such as the Washington Post and the New York Times. As I wrote back in late 2021:

This illuminates one of the great contrasts between the hype and mythology surrounding Kamala Harris — “Making History,” smiling on the cover of Vogue, etc. — and the mundane reality. A surprising number of people who have actually worked with and for her not only don’t see her as a legend, an icon, or an inspiring leader, they walk away from their experience with her not thinking all that highly of her. She may well have been a talented prosecutor, but in a lot of ways she’s just a standard-issue pol who figured out how to climb the ladder of interest-group dominated California politics. She’s in over her head, her political instincts are terrible, and that’s even before the uniquely challenging dynamics of this particular presidency — unfamiliar staff, old president, few real friendships on Capitol Hill, and an unclear sense of priorities.

Anyway, right now, Harris is the person most likely to be sitting behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office sometime after January 20, 2025.

Good luck, America

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Re: NRO: President Harris?
« Reply #633 on: July 22, 2023, 06:59:01 AM »
Surprising poll data about DeSantis in there as well.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #634 on: July 23, 2023, 09:03:31 AM »
agree
I remember hearing this several months ago

about Desantis beating Biden by more than Trump
with Trump neck and neck , a tad up or a tad down.
still more updated recent evidence
Trump will bring the whole stack of conservative cards down

Is that not weird?

So far our #1 candidate does worse compared to the #2 against the opposition.

And a small majority Republicans  seem not to care .

Hopefully DeSantis can evolve his approach.





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Rove:
« Reply #636 on: July 27, 2023, 01:14:56 PM »
he No Labels 2024 Election Threat to Trump
If the third party puts a conservative atop its ticket, it could lure Republican voters.
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Former President Donald Trump arrives at New Orleans International Airport, July 25. PHOTO: GERALD HERBERT/ASSOCIATED PRESS
It isn’t only Democrats who should worry if No Labels succeeds in getting on every state’s ballot as a third party presidential option. If Donald Trump becomes the GOP nominee, Republicans should be biting their nails, too.

As I wrote last week, for Democrats the danger is that two key voting blocs—blacks and young people—aren’t very enthusiastic about President Biden and could be attracted to a third party. No Labels could also snag defectors from Hispanics, Asian-Americans and suburban voters.

The GOP has a similar problem if Mr. Trump is its nominee. A third party could provide an alternative for Republicans concerned about the former president’s baggage who can’t bring themselves to vote for a Democrat. Alternatively, No Labels could serve as a way station: GOP voters could dally with the idea of voting third-party then decide to skip the presidential race on the ballot or stay home altogether. Either way, Republicans could be in trouble in a tight race.

With more support than the rest of the field combined, Mr. Trump remains the GOP front-runner, but polling indicates that a lethal number of Republicans might not stick with him in the general election. The June 26 Associated Press/National Opinion Research Center poll found 23% of Republicans felt Mr. Trump did something “illegal” with the classified documents seized at Mar-a-Lago and 29% thought it unethical though not illegal. More of these may conclude Mr. Trump also broke the law after the trial begins.

This followed the June 19 Quinnipiac poll, in which 25% of Republicans said Mr. Trump acted “inappropriately” in handling classified documents after leaving office and 16% didn’t know. That 41% of Republicans aren’t rallying to his defense bodes poorly for enthusiasm in the general election. Independents are even more troubled by his behavior: Sixty-two percent said he acted “inappropriately.”

His numbers could get worse if evidence at the trial scheduled for next May shows Mr. Trump endangered national security. When asked “how serious a problem do you think it is if secret military information is shared with people who do not have a security clearance,” 54% of Republicans in a June 20 NBC poll said “very serious” and 25% said “somewhat serious.” Mr. Trump’s legal difficulties are likely to grow as more information becomes available, further depressing his numbers among Republicans and GOP-leaning independents.

What would these disaffected Republicans do if he’s the nominee? Many would swallow their concerns and back him. But some—perhaps enough to matter—could stay home or go for the No Labels ticket, if it featured a person who is conservative in important ways, especially if that candidate is on the top of the ticket.

Assume in November 2024 that 20% of Republicans believe Mr. Trump mishandled classified information by illegally taking hundreds of secret documents when he left office, including some relating to nuclear secrets and battle plans. Assume half those Republicans—10% of the GOP universe—can’t bring themselves to vote for Mr. Trump, either casting their ballot for No Labels or not voting for president.

If 10% of Republicans defect, Mr. Trump wouldn’t flip Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin, states he must carry to regain the White House, let alone snag Michigan or Pennsylvania. He could also lose North Carolina. He won it last time by 74,483 votes out of 5.5 million cast, carrying North Carolina Republicans (37% of the state’s electorate) by a 96% to 4% margin. If 10% of Republicans had stayed home or voted third-party, that would have reduced Mr. Trump’s numbers by 122,650, costing him the state. Things get worse if you factor in any decline among independents, who are 30% of North Carolina’s voters. They backed Mr. Biden 50% to 46% in 2020.

Mr. Trump’s tactics are complicating things for Republicans. He claims the primary is already over. But if true, he should be working to unify the party. Instead, the former president is savagely attacking his opponents and their supporters. Calling Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds ungrateful for remaining publicly neutral in her state’s caucuses is stupid. So is calling financial supporters of his Republican opponents “two-faced, back-stabbing RINOs” and denouncing them as “vultures,” “cowards” and “disloyal.” Such over-the-top rhetoric gives his campaign a crazed tone and will permanently cost Mr. Trump support among Republicans.

If on top of a criminal trial and his trash campaigning, Mr. Trump has to contend with a No Labels ticket with a Reagan Republican on it, he could see a very winnable race for the GOP turn into a very losable one.

A No Labels ticket with a traditional conservative on it could leave both parties at risk in a three-way election—even if No Labels fades, as most third parties do. Either way, the coming contest could become the wildest ride in recent American politics.

Mr. Rove helped organize the political-action committee American Crossroads and is author of “The Triumph of William McKinley” (Simon & Schuster, 2015).



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Ted Cruz
« Reply #637 on: July 28, 2023, 01:18:53 PM »
Ted on O'Reilly said he is Switzerland on DeSantis - Trump

he likes both

pointed out Trump was not long thought to be out after the near disastrous Senate/Congressional elections.

and now is thought to be a shoo in waiting for his coronation

Ted wisely points out he does not know, and will not predict.

I made fun of Dick Morris for stating Trump will NOT be the nominee, and now he FWIW it looks like he was right and I wrong

That said ,  anything can happen , and I still think Trump's only hope is a Dem nominee is worse than him.

Vivek continues to make his case

He pissed off Kaitlin Collins recently when she tried to get him to claim Climate change is not man made
which he neither denies or agreed but pointed out destroying our economy with technology that does not work
is not the answer

It is clear her audio instructions on the her listening device was telling her to get him to deny "Climate Change" is not man made
so the LEFT wing media can every time his name comes up, scream "CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER " label as they state his name.


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2nd post. VDH on prospect of Biden - Trump '24
« Reply #638 on: July 28, 2023, 01:35:05 PM »
As usual VDH summarizes the situation better then the rest:

https://dailycaller.com/2023/07/27/2024-presidential-election-donald-trump-ron-desantis-vivek-ramaswamy/

I love this guy!

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WSJ: Dump Trump
« Reply #639 on: July 29, 2023, 08:57:36 AM »


Trump Is Charged With a Coverup
The evidence in the new indictment, if true, undercuts his defense in the documents case.
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Does Donald Trump not understand the greatest truism in politics—i.e., that it’s not the crime, it’s the coverup? That screams from the page while reading Thursday’s superseding indictment of Mr. Trump, who now stands accused of trying to delete incriminating Mar-a-Lago security video.

Special counsel Jack Smith charged Mr. Trump last month with unlawfully retaining national-security information, as well as concealing classified files at his Florida club. According to this week’s indictment, the feds subpoenaed Mar-a-Lago’s surveillance footage on June 24, 2022. Within hours, Mr. Trump’s valet, Walt Nauta, was planning to fly to the club, while texting its IT director to ask if he was available.

On Saturday, June 25, Mr. Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira, a club property manager, “went to the security guard booth where surveillance video is displayed on monitors, walked with a flashlight through the tunnel where the Storage Room was located, and observed and pointed out surveillance cameras.” On Monday morning, Mr. De Oliveira found the IT director, took him “to a small room known as an ‘audio closet,’” and asked him how long the club’s server kept footage. He then said “that ‘the boss’ wanted the server deleted,” the indictment says.

Mr. Trump is entitled to a defense and presumption of innocence, but this is a damaging allegation. Will the Mar-a-Lago IT director take the stand? Prosecutors are presumably telling Messrs. Nauta and De Oliveira, who also face criminal counts, that it would be in their best interests to cooperate and testify to what “the boss” told them.

If Mr. Trump sought to destroy evidence, it undercuts his defense on the document charges. He contends that the Presidential Records Act gives him the right to retain documents from his time in office. But if Mr. Trump believed that, he would have played it straight. If the indictment is right that he hid the files from his own lawyers and tried to wipe the security video to stop anybody from finding out, then he didn’t buy his own defense.

Prudential questions about the wisdom of this prosecution remain. Mr. Trump appears to have kept the files out of pigheadedness, not because he wanted to do something nefarious like sell them to an adversary. The FBI raided Mar-a-Lago to recover the documents.

The episode reflects poorly on Mr. Trump. But is this conduct that truly gives President Biden no choice except to ask a jury to jail his leading political opponent in next year’s election? At least Watergate involved a burglary.

Attorney General Merrick Garland has set a precedent that further entangles law enforcement with presidential politics. Meanwhile, Mr. Garland’s department cut a dubious plea deal for President Biden’s son Hunter, and IRS agents have testified under oath about political interference with their investigation. Republicans who complain about two standards of justice have a point. Democrats want to use multiple prosecutions to help Mr. Trump win the GOP nomination while diminishing him for a rematch with Mr. Biden.

Yet Republicans should also be angry at Mr. Trump, who is again the architect of his own destruction. He led the GOP to defeats, many of them driven by his personal grievances, in 2018, 2020, 2021 and 2022. Add his Covid performance, the Jan. 6 riot, a $5 million civil jury verdict for sexual abuse, plus now a truly stupid alleged Mar-a-Lago coverup.

Yet Mr. Trump still expects the GOP will save him from his own recklessness by nominating him for the White House a third time. He wants Republican voters, as he does Messrs. Nauta and De Oliveira, to take the fall with him.

Good luck if they do. The best revenge for Mr. Trump’s supporters would be to nominate a Republican who can beat Mr. Biden. That’s the way to restore apolitical justice.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #640 on: July 29, 2023, 09:10:48 AM »
couldn't agree more .




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Re: Biden-Trump tied
« Reply #643 on: August 01, 2023, 11:58:59 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-and-trump-locked-in-dead-heat-in-2024-match-up-new-poll-reveals/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=32255371

And the tie goes to which side?

When you think about how awful Biden's presidency and approval has been, this speaks very poorly of Trump that he is even with the worst ever.

Not exactly a ray of sunshine and hope for our side.

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Re: 2024
« Reply #644 on: August 02, 2023, 06:57:03 AM »
In this, a reply of 2016.  He should have beat Hillary by 10+ points.

That said, and yes the point is an obvious one, there is the matter of a large % of the population being siloed from honest reporting.

Changing subjects: We need to protect ourselves from this sort on chicanery:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12362001/Biden-allies-PHOTOSHOPPING-images-80-year-old-president-make-look-younger.html
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Re: 2024
« Reply #645 on: August 02, 2023, 07:47:09 AM »
Also, both Biden and Hillary (and others) have had obvious work done on their visible aging. Biden was bald, and  the face work on both was scary. With Trump, I don't know. The look of their face and hair tells us nothing about the age of their brain and other organs.

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Matt Taibbi, Campaign Chaos
« Reply #646 on: August 03, 2023, 06:38:12 AM »
"If you drop 76 charges on a candidate and he goes up in polls, you might want to consider that you might be part of the problem."

https://www.racket.news/p/campaign-2024-officially-chaos

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Trump for '24 - revenge ?
« Reply #647 on: August 03, 2023, 07:21:05 AM »
" "If you drop 76 charges on a candidate and he goes up in polls, you might want to consider that you might be part of the problem."

libs don't care about our values........

they must also be thinking if candidate is Trump - so be it.  His negatives are over 60%.

what do we think of this?:

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-threatens-retribution-for-federal-charges-soon-in-2024-it-will-be-our-turn/

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Re: Trump for '24 - revenge ?
« Reply #648 on: August 03, 2023, 08:11:52 AM »
ccp:
they must also be thinking if candidate is Trump - so be it.  His negatives are over 60%.
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It all strengthens his hardcore support which is enough to win the nomination, and strengthens his opposition on the left and most of the center, enough to lose the general election. A disaster from our point of view, evilly brilliant from theirs.

"Retribution" is not how you win over independents. If you tell them it's bad and they know it's bad, they aren't going to vote for more of it, either way.

If it ends up being Trump v Biden, there for sure will be a third party ticket.  That is not in either major party's best interest.
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« Reply #649 on: August 03, 2023, 08:50:31 AM »
What do we think of revenge here?

I'm all for it , , , as long as it is based on the rule of law.

As usual Trump's bombast is fertilizer for TDS passions.