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Nikki Haley
« on: February 25, 2020, 12:56:58 PM »
It occurs to me that we should have a thread for likely 2024 contender Nikki Haley:

https://www.algemeiner.com/2020/02/24/nikki-haley-slams-bernie-sanders-over-aipac-boycott-go-back-to-defending-castro/ 

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Yeah, Nikki Haley is running for 2024
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2020, 09:24:07 PM »
This Is No Time to Go Wobbly on Capitalism
As Democrats embrace outright socialism, some CEOs and Republicans call for unwise compromises.
By Nikki Haley
Feb. 26, 2020 12:47 pm ET
WSJ

There’s an important debate happening in America right now, a competition among three distinct views of the world. The first view is held by those who think capitalism is the best and fairest economic system the world has ever seen. The second is held by those who think socialism is the answer to a host of problems from climate change to inequality. Then there are those who are pushing a watered-down or hyphenated capitalism, which is the slow path to socialism.

Mark me down as a capitalist. I grew up in South Carolina as the daughter of Indian immigrants. My mom started a small business selling clothes and gifts. She worked hard and showed my brothers, my sister and me what it meant to live the American dream. The U.S. is a country where people can find jobs that match their talents and passions. America has lifted up more people and unleashed more prosperity than any other country in human history.

In 1800, you were lucky if you lived to be 40. A third of children didn’t live past 5. Since then, the U.S. has become an industrialized nation. Average real income per person has soared by 4,000% since 1800. Medical breakthroughs mean Americans live much longer. In 1820, 94% of the world lived in extreme poverty, earning less than $1.90 a day, adjusted for purchasing power. Today that figure is closer to 10%. Because of capitalism, the world is cleaner, healthier and wealthier than ever.

As governor of South Carolina, I saw capitalism work. Pro-market policies helped bring our state more than $20 billion in capital investment and created jobs in every county. But I saw something different during my time as ambassador to the U.N. I was reminded that not every country enjoys the same freedom and prosperity. More than 1.5 billion people still suffer under socialist regimes.

Socialism is the dangerous proposition that government should control more of your life, including your property, your money and even your religion. From North Korea to China to Venezuela, socialism results in hunger, poverty and misery. It destroys communities, represses religion and crushes freedom.

In 2018, I stood on the Simón Bolívar International Bridge on the border of Venezuela and Colombia. I watched thousands of Venezuelans cross into Colombia for the only meal they might have that day. I held a beautiful baby girl. Her mother told me all she wanted for her daughter was a future of freedom. They were one of millions of Venezuelan families whose lives have been destroyed by dictator Nicolás Maduro’s socialist policies.

So imagine my surprise to find that socialism has become trendy here at home. Only in a free and prosperous country is it so easy to take capitalism for granted. American socialists claim they seek a gentler socialism, like the one found in Scandinavian countries. But over the years Sweden has cut taxes and introduced a school-choice program. Denmark has cut its business tax rate by more than half since the 1990s. Other democracies, including Israel, India and the U.K., experimented with socialism, only to abandon it. Socialism has failed everywhere it’s been tried.

An entire generation of American adults are too young to remember the suffering socialism caused during the 20th century. Collective historical ignorance is becoming a real threat. Those of us who remember have a responsibility to educate young Americans about the poverty and tyranny that inevitably follows socialism.

Socialism represents the greatest threat to American values, but another movement is also cause for alarm. Advocates of so-called stakeholder capitalism—a philosophy that retains the word “capitalism” but abandons its meaning—include the Business Roundtable. Last year, the chief executives of America’s largest companies changed their definition of business. They said companies should focus on customers, workers and communities instead of being the best business possible. This has a nice sound to it but makes no sense. In reality, a company that cheats its customers, mistreats its workers and abuses its community won’t be around long.

The Business Roundtable knows better, but corporate America is buckling under the pressure of political correctness. This is an unhealthy development that will make business the servant of politics. Few things are more dangerous than big government in cahoots with big business.

Then there are critics who call for other kinds of hyphenated capitalism. Some are conservatives who seem embarrassed by the free market. They advocate for more tax credits here, more subsidies there, more mandates for this, more regulations for that. But their new capitalism would merely give government more power over businesses, workers and families. It differs from socialism only in degree.

It’s true that some businesses are corrupt. That isn’t capitalism, and it isn’t legal. It’s also true that too many lobbying interests win special treatment. That isn’t capitalism either. It’s cronyism and corporate welfare, which should be stopped. Finally, it’s true that income inequality exists. But that’s infinitely better than the alternative. Under socialism, everyone is equal—equal in poverty and misery—except for those who control the government.

The socialist and hyphenated capitalist “solutions” will make these problems worse and lead to less freedom. The better answer is to double down on capitalism. President Trump has done that. Unemployment is at a 50-year low. Wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade. Welfare is shrinking. Millions of Americans have found good new jobs. The stock market boom is helping millions of retirees. It’s time to embrace capitalism, not abandon the values that make America the envy of the world.

Ms. Haley served as governor of South Carolina, 2011-17, and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, 2017-18. This op-ed is adapted from a speech she delivered Wednesday to the Hudson Institute.

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Re: Yeah, Nikki Haley is running for 2024
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2020, 10:22:26 PM »
 - and she understands that campaign is already well underway.

One theme:  Defeat Socialism - before it defeats us.

Good for her.

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Re: Nikki Haley
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2020, 04:56:45 AM »
"One theme:  Defeat Socialism - before it defeats us.

Good for her."

Yes but we aren't going to defeat it by opening the borders to people who have the entitlement mentality.

She is for immigration.
The immigrants today are being catered to by the Dems .  They have responded well.
Look at the bluing of how many states now.
When was the last time a blue state turned red with the occasional one time exception?

For sure, not all due to immigrants but at least partly explained by this.

Otherwise I like her and her "message"

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Re: Nikki Haley
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2020, 09:40:28 AM »
Illegal immigration is a hugely important issue!!!  We need to keep an eye on how Nikki has played this issue and will play this issue.

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Re: Nikki Haley resigns from Boeing Board of Directors
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2020, 08:10:37 AM »
https://apnews.com/85600e54e5a8957f6cd250025b817e2a

Preparing for her 2024 run.  She also might not want to own all their business decisions.

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Re: Nikki Haley
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2020, 08:59:27 AM »
"Preparing for her 2024 run.  She also might not want to own all their business decisions."

well she can simply say business decisions are all turned over to her husband

just like Pelosi and Feinstein do and pretend they do not involve themselves with inside information
while their families get very rich from inside information political connections and government contracts.

Nothing to see here folks

That said Nikki sound like she will not do that ..........

I am not sure I agree with all these government handouts loans to all these business etc.

Like noted on cable:

"THE ERA OF SMALL GOVERNMENT IS OVER !"   :-o
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Re: Nikki Haley
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2020, 11:51:51 AM »

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Re: Nikki Haley on China, Huawei, new rules for 5G
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2020, 08:14:33 AM »
Hat tip Stephen Green at Instapundit:  "I LIKE THE CUT OF HER JIB":
https://www.dailywire.com/news/nikki-haley-responds-to-trumps-actions-against-chinas-huawei-offers-grim-prediction-for-china

Nikki Haley Responds To Trump’s Actions Against China’s Huawei, Offers Grim Prediction For China.

In response to a Wall Street Journal report on the Trump administration crackdown on China’s Huawei, Haley, who has been hammering China for weeks over its role in the COVID-19 crisis, tweeted, “China will lose their bucket over this move. It is hands down the right move for us in terms of national security.”

Haley’s comment on national security is a reference to the administration’s repeated warnings about the threat posed by China’s attempt to dominate the 5G market.

The Trump administration’s new rule requiring licenses for foreign manufacturers to ship products to Huawei has already resulted in negative fallout for the Chinese company. As reported by Reuters Monday, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd (TSMC), the world’s largest manufacturer of advanced microchips, has announced that it has stopped new orders from Huawei in response to the administration’s new rule.


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Re: Tucker goes after Nikki Haley approx at 15:00
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2020, 06:08:35 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n5_D59lSjc


I identify with some of what Tucker is saying.  That said, what good is he doing with such ad hominem attacks on those one might think are on his own side?  How does America turn his way if he succeeds in tearing down Trump,  Pence, Haley?  The alternative is Biden, Bernie, and Barack's team returning, not some fictionally perfect conservative figure.

It's good that Tucker is an independent voice , free thinking and calls out his own side when they are wrong.  We do that.  But in his business, all he needs to do is excite an audience of a few million on the biggest cable news network out of a population of 330 million to build his brand.  It's easy to be a critic.   What Pence, Trump, Haley need to do is something much different.  There is more than one thing going on here.  They need to thread a needle in an explosive situation.  They need to speak to the emotions of the people who saw the video, which is everyone.  [Crafty's first summary from well informed observers: 'This is fuct.'  They need to acknowledge some points US Sen Tim Scott has made on the background to this .  Sen Scott was pulled over 7 times in a year for driving while black?   How come Tucker, so outspoken and courageous, didn't go after Tim Scott for empathy to the cause of the "peaceful protesters"?

If you survey SWING voters, that narrow, narrow band in the middle that will determine the direction of the country, I doubt you will find they want prominent Republicans to express less empathy to the perceived injustices some people face.

Regarding Trump and Antifa and the law and order issues:  His foreign policy has been described as boisterous isolationism.  Isn't that what's happening here?  He told the Mayors and Governors to get tougher.  He doesn't want to send military troops into Mpls or LA but he talks tough about action if needed against this threat.  More usefully, we need military grade intelligence (invisible to us) aimed at the organized components of this destruction, Antifa or whatever we want to call it, to infiltrate and shut down their networks and operations.  Empathy on camera and really effective law enforcement work behind the scenes is what can thread this needle.  Larger displays of tanks and troops working against 'peaceful protesters' in our cities on camera are the visuals of failure his opponents seek, IMHO.
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Re: Nikki Haley
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2020, 08:30:35 AM »
Doug wrote:

Larger displays of tanks and troops working against 'peaceful protesters' in our cities on camera are the visuals of failure his opponents seek, IMHO

You mean like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4woMuFZAx88

Of course this is not a fair comparison :  a tank vs a slight built man with his grocery bags

compared to bands of criminals attacking people and property , but our wonderful MSM will do everything to pain it that way.

One point Tucker makes - what exactly do these mobs want ?

Less law enforcement in minority communities?

14 trillion from people who earned it.

What about Asian Americans  - they have done well .
What about Eastern Indians - they have done well.

Many African born who came here are doing well.

Like one Indian doctor said to me yrs ago -  He said "American Blacks"
and shrugged.  He said his people came here were not wanted , appreciated or loved and also exposed to adversity but in "one generation " they are now leading professionals,
politicians,  attorneys accountants own most of the motels in the South and other businesses

What is wrong with American Blacks he asks?



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Re: Haley on Trump
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2021, 10:25:25 AM »
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/538573-haley-breaks-with-trump-we-shouldnt-have-followed-him

She is right on the Mike Pence part and has every right to speak out on behalf of her friend and ally.  It was a bad show of character when Trump turned on Pence.

On the rest of it, I don't see how we judge Trump's reaction to the vote fraud question without getting a full investigation of what happened.  If more than 43,000 Biden votes in key states were illegitimate, if ANY of his votes were subtracted by a corrupted voting machine, then his reaction was admirably restrained in my view.  If all the accusations are false, people like Sydney Powell and 200 other respected sources made it all up, then the whole thing was over the top and out of line.  Without investigation and truth, I can't judge.

Either way, he did not incite violence or a resurrection any more so than does nearly every speaker and politician in Washington.

Nikki Haley is presumably positioning herself for the aftermath.  She needs to separate herself from Trump when he is wrong and on style and temperament.  If she intends to run, she better not go too far with that separation.
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Re: Nikki Haley
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2021, 02:08:03 PM »
".Nikki Haley is presumably positioning herself for the aftermath.  She needs to separate herself from Trump when he is wrong and on style and temperament.  If she intends to run, she better not go too far with that separation."

I don't agree with anyone who simply says the election fraud is some dumb ass conspiracy
we can all see how the whole thing was rigged
rules were changed leading up to and during the election
ALWAYS to favor crats

to think there was not manipulation enough to turn tide of the election in swing states
is harder to believe then the opposite

Nikki should not make this mistake

I like her but not sure about her position on immigration which in past has been quite weak

I am not sure if she is enough of an ass kicking fighter
But I cheer her efforts
she had been a good supporter overall of Trump



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Nikki Haley on China
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2021, 11:03:31 AM »

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Nikki on China
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2021, 11:23:16 AM »
she sounds great here

too bad the leftist elite globalists will fight her tooth and nail

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Nikki Haley on Geopolitics
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2022, 08:19:19 AM »
NH seems a sure thing to run in 2024.  Here is her thinking.


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The world as it is

Nikki Haley’s approach is not based on wishful thinking

By Clifford D. May

Foreign policy and national security are arcane disciplines, but with experience comes expertise. Or not. President Biden has been engaged in international affairs throughout his long political career, including eight years as chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Bob Gates, who served as secretary of defense in both the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations, wrote in 2014 that Mr. Biden “has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

The late Charles Krauthammer had already observed that Mr. Biden “holds the American record for [being] wrong on the most issues in foreign affairs ever.” The late Sen. John McCain’s evaluation: “Biden has been consistently wrong on every national security issue that I’ve been involved in in the last 20 years or so.”

Since moving to the White House, Mr. Biden has reinforced those judgments. His foreign policy has been based on wishful thinking — on seeing the world not as it is but as he’d like it to be. Examples? He turned Afghanistan over to the Taliban — in the most humiliating way imaginable — and then proclaimed mission accomplished. He insisted that Russian President Vladimir Putin, if not provoked but only cautioned about possible economic sanctions, would refrain from armed aggression. He continues to claim that Iran’s rulers will give up their nuclear weapons program in exchange for a fistful of dollars.

Now consider Nikki Haley, the daughter of Indian immigrants, the first minority female governor in American history. She had zero experience in foreign affairs when former President Donald Trump appointed her U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

But she’s a fast learner who soon proved to be an extraordinarily adept advocate for truth, justice and the American way. Four years ago, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, my think tank, presented her with its Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Statesmanship Award.

Last week, at the Policy Exchange think tank in London, Mrs. Haley gave a speech titled, “Winning the Clash of Civilizations.” She laid out the threats facing America and its allies, explained what’s wrong with the current administration’s response, and outlined how we can — indeed, how we must — defend Western interests and values.

She began by reflecting on “the worst war in Europe since the Second World War.” A “total failure of deterrence” by America and Europe encouraged Mr. Putin to believe that the time was ripe to make Russia a great empire again.

She dismissed as “nonsense,” the view that “NATO expansion prompted Russian aggression.”

“Putin and his cronies are neither dumb nor delusional,” she pointed out. “They knew full well that Ukraine was never on the verge of NATO membership. And they know full well that Russia has nothing to fear from the Baltic countries or Poland.”

Mr. Putin also took note of what Mrs. Haley called “America’s surrender in Afghanistan last summer,” the West’s “failure to effectively challenge the Russian occupation of Crimea in 2014,” the lack of an adequate response to “Russian barbarism in Syria,” and its “use of a chemical weapon right here on British soil in Salisbury in 2018 — same thing. There were a few sanctions and expulsions, but not enough to shake Putin’s resolve.”

The larger lesson: “Appeasement never satisfies the appetites of tyrants. It only makes them want more. Trying to be ‘inoffensive’ only emboldens our enemies.”

The danger Mr. Putin poses, not just to Ukraine but to all Russia’s neighbors and to what remains of the battered American-led international order, is compounded by his burgeoning alliance with China’s ruler, Xi Jinping. A 5,000-word manifesto signed on Feb. 4 states explicitly that, henceforth, their relations are to have “no limits, and no forbidden areas of cooperation.”

As different as they are, neo-imperialist Russia and neo-Maoist China are “united by their fanatical opposition to Western interests and values. And they are increasingly expansionist in their territorial aims.”

Iran’s theocrats, too, have hitched their wagon to Mr. Putin (despite his crimes against Muslims within the Russian Federation) and Mr. Xi (despite his genocide of the Muslims of Xinjiang) because they have their “own ambitions for regional dominance and the destruction of free nations.” To address these growing threats, Mrs. Haley said, requires “a fundamental shift in how the West approaches our enemies.” That shift would begin with the recognition that we were wrong to believe that if we were only “nice to Russia and China they would want to be more like us.”

“That is the height of narcissism,” she told her audience. “Along with the Iranians, they are committed to ideologies that are incompatible with our freedom and security.”

Our militaries — especially those of most European nations — are not all they need to be given current realities. It is essential that Europe break its addiction to Russian oil and gas. Disentangling from strategic supply chains anchored in China also should be on our to-do list.

These steps will be insufficient if we don’t “regain our belief that the Western way is worth defending.” The West is not without its faults and failures. No civilization is. No civilization ever has been.

But only the West offers a path to “peace and prosperity. Free speech. Free enterprise. Freedom to choose our own leaders. Freedom from the tyranny of overreaching government. When we place those values up against those of our enemies, there is no contest.”

Mrs. Haley concluded that “in this clash of civilizations, we know how to win. We simply must have the resolve to do it.”

Our leaders, in Washington and other Western capitals, ought to be fostering such resolve. Apparently, they’re not up to the task. It is the responsibility of voters in free nations to recognize that reality and change it.

Clifford D. May is the founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of De-mocracies and a columnist for the Washington Times


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NRO on Nikki Haley
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2023, 08:47:36 AM »
   

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Give Nikki Haley a Chance

On the menu today: Former South Carolina governor and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley will make her presidential campaign official with an appearance in her home state this morning, and then tomorrow, she’s off to New Hampshire. A lot of the early coverage of Haley is pointing out what a long shot she is; over at The Bulwark, Sarah Longwell snickers that Haley’s “the perfect Republican presidential candidate for 2015.” But as both a potential nominee and president, Haley would bring a wide range of strengths and serious accomplishment record to the table. A lot of race-watchers seem convinced that Republican primary voters don’t want that. Do they?

Nikki Haley’s Record

The next president is going to face a dangerous world and sooner or later is likely to deploy U.S. troops into harm’s way. It might be nice to have a president whose husband is a captain in the U.S. Army National Guard, who served for a year in Afghanistan, and whose convoys were hit with improvised explosive devices twice, thankfully with no injuries.

Upon Michael Haley’s return from his deployment in 2013, then-governor of South Carolina Nikki Haley later said, “Seeing him, I felt like I took my first breath in a year.” It might be nice to have a president for whom military deployments and the effect on military families is not an abstract issue.

(I notice Michael Haley’s service in Afghanistan is not one of the 55 things that Politico wants you to know about Nikki Haley. However, Politico does want you to know about all the times that her Republican rivals have called her a “raghead.”)

The next president is going to face a complicated state of foreign relations. It might be nice to have an indisputably conservative Republican who somehow managed to convince the New York Times editorial board that she was an effective U.S. representative to the United Nations, who “could talk as bluntly as the president himself about the failings of the United Nations system, and yet, more quietly, she proved a practitioner of multilateral diplomacy.” The Times raved, “many United Nations diplomats valued Ms. Haley as a pragmatic envoy who could explain the president to a world confused by the chaos in Washington,” and it praised her efforts to reform the U.N. bureaucracy and building consensus for “tough new sanctions on North Korea.”

Haley received similar expression of surprised praise from Politico, BuzzFeed, Foreign Policy, and multiple columnists at the Washington Post. Many foreign-policy wonks thought Haley was unprepared and in over her head when she started the U.N. ambassador job. Apparently, she’s a fast learner, a persuasive communicator, and has good instincts. It might be nice to have a president with traits like these.

The next president is going to face a national debt beyond $31 trillion. It might be nice to have a Republican nominee who not only balanced a budget, as required by state law, but who was willing to fight her own party on spending she deemed excessive and pushed for a simpler tax code. It might be nice if the Republican nominee could point to reducing ineffective spending in, say, the United Nations peacekeeping program, reducing the U.S. contribution by 7.5 percent and overall spending by $600 million.

The next president is going to be the head of state for a country that has lost a lot of faith in its institutions, particularly in the federal government, and a sense that few if any powerful figures are held accountable anymore. Way back in the day, as a state legislator, Haley took on her own party over the importance of having recorded votes (instead of voice votes, in which no record is made of which lawmakers approved and which opposed a particular bill or amendment). At one point, less than 10 percent of all votes in either chamber of the South Carolina state legislature were on the record. After a long, long fight, Haley signed two bills into law — in 2011 and 2016, respectively — that require the legislature to take more recorded votes,

Despite its heavily Republican voting record, the South Carolina of the late 2000s and early 2010s was not a conservative’s paradise. State politics were often dominated by a powerful political establishment that liked to take care of its own and dish out favors to its friends. The state’s governorship was relatively weak and its legislature was strong; Michael Barone’s Almanac of American Politics cites the anecdote of former governor Mark Sanford, an indisputable fiscal conservative, issuing 106 vetoes on spending he deemed excessive and the legislature overriding 105 of them.

(At one point, it was considered controversial or scandalous that Haley’s then-14-year-old daughter was working in the gift shop of the South Carolina state house, making $8 per hour, and working 20 to 25 hours per week cleaning and stocking shelves. Remember when that was considered a controversial way for the child of an elected official to earn money, in the pre-Hunter Biden or Jared Kushner Saudi deal days?)

The next president is likely to face a widespread public perception that large corporations benefit from unfair laws and rules that hold back small businesses. It might be nice to have a president who stepped down from Boeing’s board of directors after less than a year because she opposed a request for $60 billion in government aid to the company during the Covid-19 pandemic, declaring that she “cannot support a move to lean on the federal government for a stimulus or bailout that prioritizes our company over others and relies on taxpayers to guarantee our financial position. I have long held strong convictions that this is not the role of government.” As a member of the board of directors at Boeing, Haley made $256,322 in 2019 and $83,750 in 2020.

The next president is likely to face widespread public doubt that institutions of higher education are effectively preparing America’s young people for the world, and instead incubating a generation of ideologically extreme, hypersensitive, fragile layabouts who are addicted to social media and incapable of overcoming adversity. Haley serves on the board of trustees of Clemson University, and often tells audiences of young people that “they need to have three war stories they can tell, stories that involve something that made them uncomfortable but stronger in the end.”

Haley often tells audiences a version of this story:

Haley ran against Larry Koon, the longest-serving legislator in the state, and who was, she says, “related to half the district.” During the campaign, she and her husband, sporting their “Haley for Legislature” badges, attended a Ducks Unlimited event. A crowd of 1,500 people was there, with a long line waiting to shake hands with the incumbent. As she tells the story, Koon’s cousin got on stage and said, “I want you to know that I’m voting for Larry Koon, and I want everyone else in this room to vote for Larry Koon.” He was greeted with massive applause.

Haley and her husband stood in line. “I shook Mr. Koon’s hand, and he said, ‘See, little lady, they love me.’ And I said, ‘Yes sir, they do.’” Haley spent the rest of the evening, shaking every hand she could, to make sure, she says, “that they knew I wasn’t leaving.”

On Monday, she visited Mr. Koon’s cousin in his office. “Hey, I’m Nikki Haley, and I’m running for State House. I wanted to talk to you,” she said. “I just wanted you to know why I’m running.”

He responded, “I just told over a thousand people I’m voting for him, and they should, too.”

She acknowledged that, but asked him to hear her out. “I told him why I was running,” she says. “It was no disrespect to the incumbent, but I just thought we needed something different.”

After she was done, he thanked her and said, “But what do you want from me?”

With just a little more than chutzpah, Haley responded, “I don’t want you to put my yard sign in your front yard. But in your small circles, I want you to tell people what I had to say, and that you liked what I had to say.

“And before I leave, I need a thousand dollars.”

And he gave it.

It was a tough primary, and a runoff that got ugly, focusing on religion, on nationality, on gender. But she won it by a 10-point margin.

We know the Democrats and their allies will contend that the Republican Party is misogynistic. It might be helpful to have a nominee who is a woman. We know the Democrats and their allies will contend that the Republican Party is full of “white nationalists,” and is xenophobic and anti-immigrant. It might be helpful to have a nominee who is the daughter of Indian immigrants.

Much like the man she appointed to the U.S. Senate, Tim Scott, Haley tends to bring out the worst, ugliest, and most hateful sides of her critics. Figures from Ann Coulter to South Carolina Democratic chairman Dick Harpootlian have “joked” that Haley is not really an American and “should go back to where she comes from.” Apparently it doesn’t matter if you’re born in Bamberg, go to Clemson, live in South Carolina almost your entire life, build a business, sit on the board of your church, donate $130,000 to charity in one year, and have a husband in the Army National Guard who serves in Afghanistan for a year . . . you will still face “You’re not one of us” crap.

That ugly, hard-fought 2010 Republican gubernatorial primary included some questioning of whether Haley was truly a Christian. (Some people may forget, David Brody, but I don’t.)

Haley has her flaws and her missteps and unresolved problems from her days as governor. She will face tough questions about her past statements about President Trump, and whether, when push comes to shove, she ultimately should be seen as more of an ally or more of a critic of Trump. Back in April 2021, she said that if Trump was running, she would not run for president, and Republicans will ask fair questions about what changed and why.

But a good and serious Republican Party would give Haley real consideration as a potential nominee, noting that her depth and breadth of experience and combination of indisputable toughness and charisma on the stump represent a rare combination of strengths in a potential president who is only 51 years old

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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2023, 09:47:21 AM »
I am open to her

but she has some proving to do
not just talk

I am concerned about
her possible propensity to give in to the LEFT
and flip flopping on Trump support

far less important -
I also did not like her calling Jared a genius -- perhaps he is though - but he is simply not my favorite character.   :wink:

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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2023, 10:40:17 AM »
I can’t tell you how proud I am to see a new young and diverse group of republicans stepping forward and taking  up the banner of RINOism!

As what used to be America crumbles in front of us, at least the sting will be lessened by knowing we aren’t just being sold out to the DC Uniparty by old white males, nominal republicans of all races, ethnicities and genders can do at least a good of a job, if not better of stabbing us in the back while looting the treasury.

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2023, 10:45:02 AM »
I am open to Haley as well. We'll see how the candidates compare and how their record matches up to their rhetoric.

It comes down to our perception of who can deliver. Who can win the nomination, win the election, and save the Republic. Simple.

My early leaning is that DeSantis can do this best. If it's Haley, that's fine with me.

I've never seen the stage set so well for a new leader, a real leader, to take this bull by the horns.
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Coulter on Haley
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2023, 07:48:30 AM »
‘Go Back to Your Own Country’

is not helpful for Republicans to say to a second generation legal immigrant .
stupid indeed actually.


as for haley being soft on immigration - so far yes - she has a lot to prove

as for her being ruthless or backstabbing
what other example can Coulter come up with other then she no longer supports Trump for '24  - as I believe most Republicans feel the same way

so what.
Haley  is supposed to worship at his feet for the rest of her life
and she is right we have not won popular vote since 2004
Yes I get the rigging of the '20 election

as for ruthlessness , I was listening to Bill O'Reilly recently who had as. a guest Dough Schoen -  a liberal - but actually a very reasonable one ( how refreshingly rare )

who pointed out the ruthlessness of Trump (talk about back stabber )
Obama and the Clintons ...

as for Biden he was a bit more obscure - saying Biden certainly understands how to work power with back room deals
and must be no less ruthless.

Obama was very ruthless
if any one crossed him they were out permanently ; only. difference he did not call them childish names in public - he would operate through his agents to hurt them behind the scenes - the usual wink nod so he can claim he had nothing to do with it
Clintons - the same you crossed them in any way
 they will never forget or forgive Bill was just as ruthless as hillary

I am thinking of buying Schoens book after this interview :

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Power/Douglas-E-Schoen/9781682452042


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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2023, 08:19:01 AM »
At this point Coulter is a burnt-out attention whore.

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2023, 08:31:23 AM »
“Is not helpful for Republicans to say to a second generation legal immigrant .
stupid indeed actually.“

Perhaps “paper Americans” such as her should show more respect for heritage Americans.

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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2023, 08:48:21 AM »
so Haley  took down the Confederate flag from the SC capital

a good call as far as I am concerned. 

as for monuments, FWIW I am mostly against removing them

but clearly the flag represents slavery / Jim Crow
at least as much if not more then "states rights " etc

certainly I can empathize with Blacks who would naturally be offended

of course I am a Yankee and proud of it.

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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2023, 08:49:35 AM »
Agreed.

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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2023, 09:11:33 AM »
so Haley  took down the Confederate flag from the SC capital

a good call as far as I am concerned. 

as for monuments, FWIW I am mostly against removing them

but clearly the flag represents slavery / Jim Crow
at least as much if not more then "states rights " etc

certainly I can empathize with Blacks who would naturally be offended

of course I am a Yankee and proud of it.

My ancestors that fought in the civil war (the first one) wore blue. I am from a state that was a union territory. The confederate flag isn’t my flag. Having said that, I understand that southerners may have a different view of it. The south could’ve waged a generations long guerilla insurgency, instead Robert E  Lee chose to surrender and create a domestic peace.

Were I somehow an immigrant to India, I would probably keep my mouth shut about some generations old conflict between Hindus and Sikhs rather than jump in to virtue signal for political gain.


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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2023, 09:49:30 AM »
I hear you
but ,

"Having said that, I understand that southerners may have a different view of it."

but what about the Southern blacks who are descendants of slaves and Jim Crow blacks the latter group some of whom are still alive?

do their views count?

Haley is 2nd generation immigrant
how many generations must past before her opinion on Amerian history counts?

I am 3rd generation American; never lived during Civil War or in Jim Crow South
or had any ancestors that did (though I have an uncle somewhere in Arkansas since maybe the 1920's who could no longer be alive ) 

and I have my opinion about the Confederate flag .

The Confederacy has been dead for 150 yrs
no reason to forget it
but no reason to celebrate it in my opinion either .

let us raise the American flag not the rebel one.
The North won!
I am proud of that .
We can honor the 750,000 who died in that way I feel.

Another thought:

do you think your ancestors who served in the Northern armies would like to know the Confederate flag
is still being flown in the South?
Would you not honor *them* more by agreeing the American flag should be the one flying

somehow I don't like the Conferate flag
much more then I like the damn gay flag all over the place

my 2 cents
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2023, 02:49:01 PM »
American born citizen Haley was twice elected by the citizens of South Carolina.

It was part of her duty as governor to engage with the issues of the day, be it the the Confederate flag flying in official capacity or a raving out and out racist gunning down black people praying with him IN THEIR CHURCH.

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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2023, 06:37:58 PM »
American born citizen Haley was twice elected by the citizens of South Carolina.

It was part of her duty as governor to engage with the issues of the day, be it the the Confederate flag flying in official capacity or a raving out and out racist gunning down black people praying with him IN THEIR CHURCH.

Did those statues cause the murders? What statues can we tear down that will stop the 13 percent of our population that commits more than 50 percent of the murders in the US?

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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2023, 09:25:19 PM »
"What statues can we tear down that will stop the 13 percent of our population that commits more than 50 percent of the murders in the US?"
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Less than 1% from among those 13% are doing that.

System failure.  Everything we've done wrong to trigger that - we're still doing.

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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2023, 10:22:08 PM »
"What statues can we tear down that will stop the 13 percent of our population that commits more than 50 percent of the murders in the US?"
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Less than 1% from among those 13% are doing that.

System failure.  Everything we've done wrong to trigger that - we're still doing.

It’s much more than 1 percent.

Please clarify, who is responsible? What is the mechanism of culpability?

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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2023, 05:16:47 AM »
[quote author=G M

It’s much more than 1 percent.

Please clarify, who is responsible? What is the mechanism of culpability?
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My views are in the urban thread.  Black on black  crime is not racial in my view.  It comes out of 'welare', targeted at blacks, leaving males without family and work responsibilities - for generations.

Less than one percent of our population are committing the pattern murders and the rest, like us, are victims.

They share culpability if they vote to continue, repeat and accelerate what clearly leads to this human carnage.

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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2023, 11:17:30 AM »
[quote author=G M

It’s much more than 1 percent.

Please clarify, who is responsible? What is the mechanism of culpability?
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My views are in the urban thread.  Black on black  crime is not racial in my view.  It comes out of 'welare', targeted at blacks, leaving males without family and work responsibilities - for generations.

Less than one percent of our population are committing the pattern murders and the rest, like us, are victims.

They share culpability if they vote to continue, repeat and accelerate what clearly leads to this human carnage.

Do you see populations repeat the same patterns in different places? Somalis (as a group) act like Somalis, no matter if it's Mogadishu, Minneapolis or Malmo. 3rd/4th generation Tunisians that have lived only in France burn down their own cities when the Tunisian  soccer team loses. 5th generation Japanese Americans tend to have the same levels of criminality as the Japanese populations in Japan, meaning little to none on average. Majority black American cities where the levers of power are in black hands, do you see safe, clean, well run cities? Please name a few, I'll wait.


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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2023, 04:14:39 PM »
Working from memory, one of the points of Charles Murray's "White America" is that the more pertinent data centers around marriage and the presence of fathers or not.

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« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2023, 04:34:30 PM »
Working from memory, one of the points of Charles Murray's "White America" is that the more pertinent data centers around marriage and the presence of fathers or not.

Would that explain how Rhodesia was the bread basket of Africa, and when it became a black ruled Zimbabwe, it became a basket case?

Under white rule, South Africa was a first world country, now it has infrastructure like Jackson, Mississippi.

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/07/1155014891/south-africas-power-grid-is-collapsing-and-outages-are-disrupting-the-economy

https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/145971/south-africas-social-welfare-system-cracks-under-poverty-burden

Good thing that can't happen here!

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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2023, 02:18:29 AM »
Seems like quite the non-sequitor to me.

We were talking about America.

South Africa has a very distinct history. 

The challenge of my point remains:  Are not the disparities to be explained explainable in the non-racial terms of family structure (married parent vs. single moms) and the presence of working fathers?

Do we not see similar dynamics in whites or other groups with single moms, absent fathers, etc?

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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2023, 03:51:11 AM »
How would you "explain how Rhodesia was the bread basket of Africa, and when it became a black ruled Zimbabwe, it became a basket case".  Was it something about white, black and race, or was it economic policies?

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« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2023, 04:03:58 AM »
Doug-- he is luring you into his non-sequitor tangent. :-D

Rhodesian-Zimbabwean agricultural and monetary policy is irrelevant.

This is the Nikki Haley thread and as part of that we were discussing her part in removing the flag of the Confederacy from the flag of South Carolina. 

RETURNING TO NIKKI HALEY:  Though I am not a supporter (I prefer DeSantis) I think it fair to say that she represents the Republican Party well in race matters.  Arguably, her being of Indian descent gives her a unique perch and a certain inoculation from which to elude the usual dynamics of black-white racial politics.  She handled well the racist killer, she handled well getting rid of the confederacy flag in a content of character fashion and not in RINO bended knee fashion. 


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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2023, 06:52:24 AM »
we all know the stereotype of the Jewish doctor is not replaced by the stereotype Indian doctor  (the new Jews)

for sure Indians were not usually welcomed with open arms when they first migrated here 50 ish yrs ago

They were not loved, accepted, trusted, or understood

by doctors and patients

I had patients coming to me saying they did not want an Inidan doctor.
I remember one Indian doctor telling me he knew my father in the 70s and he appreciated he came up to him and said if there was anything you need let me know

it made me feel proud of my father

but that was not the usual case

my point is it certainly was a challenge for Indians who migrated here but not clear it really is anymore.

Indian doctors in my area are very successful
and few to my knowledge have any problem seeing them as patients
or me referring patients to them (tho since I have been a telemed doctor I don't refer patients anymore)

Indeed they contribute mightily to the medical profession

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« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2023, 08:28:48 AM »
Seems like quite the non-sequitor to me.

We were talking about America.

We are talking about the founding stock of America that forged "The city on the hill" from a hostile wilderness and later groups of immigrants that have taken advantage of the American dream while holding Heritage Americans in contempt. We are talking about how the "Magic soil" theory of immigration doesn't work. Different peoples have different group behaviors that don't disappear when they have different passports. I apologize, I thought it was obvious to everyone here.



South Africa has a very distinct history. 

Yeah, it has the history where whites built a first world level country and then when blacks took power, it became just another subsaharan African country with the usual corrupt government, violence and grinding poverty.

The challenge of my point remains:  Are not the disparities to be explained explainable in the non-racial terms of family structure (married parent vs. single moms) and the presence of working fathers?

Do we not see similar dynamics in whites or other groups with single moms, absent fathers, etc?

Does subsaharan Africa have a problem with absent fathers?



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« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2023, 11:48:36 AM »
Ummm , , , we are (or were haha) talking about Nikki Haley.

Before responding further-- a point of clarification:  Unless I misunderstood, you commented she should STFU on the Confederate flag because she was the child of immigrants?

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« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2023, 04:11:20 PM »
Ummm , , , we are (or were haha) talking about Nikki Haley.

Before responding further-- a point of clarification:  Unless I misunderstood, you commented she should STFU on the Confederate flag because she was the child of immigrants?

Yes. It's about skin in the game. It's about generations of blood and sacrifice for this nation. It's about respect. How many of Nikki Haley's family wore an American uniform? Zero?

A US passport doesn't make you an American.



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« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2023, 04:37:02 PM »
In great part the American Revolution was fought to put an end to inherited privilege.   Though so many have forgotten (or never knew) America is a Creed, not a race or religion or ethnic group etc. 

The American citizens of South Carolina elected her to be their governor and engage with the issues of the day.   And to great popular support she did that-- including getting a symbol of slavery off the flag of their state , , , and your argument is that she should STFU because her parents were not born here but came here legally and taught her to be one of us? 

Wow.




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« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2023, 04:49:39 PM »
In great part the American Revolution was fought to put an end to inherited privilege.   Though so many have forgotten (or never knew) America is a Creed, not a race or religion or ethnic group etc. 

The American citizens of South Carolina elected her to be their governor and engage with the issues of the day.   And to great popular support she did that-- including getting a symbol of slavery off the flag of their state , , , and your argument is that she should STFU because her parents were not born here but came here legally and taught her to be one of us? 

Wow.

A Boomer fantasy. A fantasy that a crumbling society can't afford.

You think her parents or Nikki loves America? I'm sure they were happy to take part in the good things America did offer. Willing to bleed and die for America? Nah, that's for the rural whites to do.