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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2023, 08:00:47 AM »
Biden’s Classified Document Stash
A sauce for the gander moment that makes charging Trump much harder.
By The Editorial BoardFollow
Jan. 10, 2023 6:53 pm ET



Whatever gods are scripting America’s political drama these days, they sure do have a sense of humor. On Monday CBS broke the news that, days before the midterm elections, “roughly 10” documents with classification markings were found among Joe Biden’s vice presidential files in a private office he once used. A federal prosecutor is investigating, and the FBI is involved.

Not even George Santos could make up this plot twist. The documents discovered in Mr. Biden’s possession include “intelligence memos and briefing materials that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and the United Kingdom,” CNN reports.

Citing a single anonymous source, CNN says Mr. Biden “didn’t know the documents were there.” His personal lawyers found the classified material while packing files in a locked closet at an office that Mr. Biden used beginning in 2017. After the discovery, the National Archives was notified the same day, and the papers were handed over the following morning. Some of the documents were designated as “sensitive compartmented information,” which means they were classified above Top Secret.

News analysts are cautioning that this apparent mishandling of material is different from Mr. Trump’s retention of hundreds of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago home, which ultimately triggered an extraordinary FBI search last year. That’s true as far as it goes. Mr. Biden’s office had many fewer documents, and he wasn’t wrangling with the National Archives for months over his right to keep them.


On the other hand, Mr. Biden as Vice President had no authority to declassify documents on his own, unlike the President. He also isn’t covered by the Presidential Records Act provision that gives former Presidents access to documents from their presidential years in cooperation with the National Archives. Mr. Biden had no authority to hold such classified documents at all in a private office.

None of this is to say that Mr. Biden should be prosecuted, despite the Justice Department investigation. But it is a sauce for the gander political moment, and it certainly does bear on whether Justice can fairly prosecute Mr. Trump for similar mishandling.

Mr. Biden was notably unforgiving about Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago files last year. “When you saw the photograph of the top secret documents laid out on the floor at Mar-a-Lago, what did you think to yourself?” Mr. Biden was asked on CBS’s “60 Minutes.”

“How anyone could be that irresponsible,” Mr. Biden replied. “And I thought: What data was in there that may compromise sources and methods?” The same question applies to Mr. Biden’s documents.

Special Counsel Jack Smith is investigating Mr. Trump’s handling of the Mar-a-Lago documents, which was at least reckless. But consider the political context in which Mr. Smith must now make a prosecutorial decision. Hillary Clinton’s private server exposed classified material, but the FBI absolved her in 2016. Now we learn Mr. Biden’s private office contained classified material that someone mishandled.

Is Mr. Smith, who answers to Mr. Biden through Attorney General Merrick Garland, really going to indict Mr. Trump for mishandling documents while Mr. Biden is absolved? Legal nuances aside, the underlying offense is far too close for safe political comfort. Barring new evidence in the Mar-a-Lago case, half the country would conclude the sitting President is prosecuting his chief political competitor for an offense that he also committed.

Mr. Garland did himself no political favors by failing to disclose this news as soon as he found out. The leak so many weeks later, with its made-to-order Biden explanations, sounds a little too tidy. All the more reason to settle the Mar-a-Lago case short of prosecution, and let Mr. Trump’s political future be decided by the voters.
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Re: Biden Think Tank
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2023, 08:03:36 AM »
Working from memory here on the Watters show (normally don't watch but he was unusually substantive on this) and Tucker and Hannity

a) e) Why did Joe fly to Ukraine on his last days in office?

b) the documents entered this location a full year AFTER Biden left office. Where were they for the year after Biden left office?

c) the Chinese gave some $40-50M to U of PA and U of PA paid Joe $1M for which Joe did , , , surprise! , , , nothing

d) the brother of Ron Emanuel was involved somehow and had the President of U. of PA appointed Ambassador to Germany

e) Why were LAWYERS sent to empty the office? Right before an election likely to yield Rep control of the House (with power to investigate)? Why is Joe saying that his lawyers are telling him not to ask about what is in these super secret documents? Given the security implications, as part of his job as President shouldn't he WANT to know?

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Re: Biden Think Tank
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2023, 02:47:53 PM »
"wonder if this is coincidental or someone stopping him from running?"

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I've not had a chance to get up on today's developments, but would let to set down the following as things for which to watch out:

Regarding SCIF level documents, clearance to see them requires the clearance in question.  THE DOCUMENTS REMAIN IN THE SCIF.  MOVING THEM IS A DISTINCT PROCESS WHICH REQUIRES A "COURRIER".  There should always be a paper trail.

Thus, how did the SCIF level documents leave the White House?

Where were they for the year+ after Obama-Biden left office and them appearancef at Biden-Penn office.  Who brought them there?

Note well exactly who the lawyer that was sent to the office was!  I don't remember the details, but she is a very high level person.

Connect this to the timing of the "discovery" of the documents-- days before presumed Rep winning the House with attendant investigatory powers.

Let's stay on top of issue of Chinese financing and quite possible/probable? access to the documents.  Remember than Chinese big wig bragging in Chinese that they had "high friends in high places"?
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Turley: Don't buy Biden's surprise
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2023, 06:33:02 PM »
Don’t buy Biden’s ‘surprise’ — classified documents were moved at least twice
By Jonathan Turley
January 11, 2023 6:24pm  Updated


With the reported discovery of a second batch of highly classified documents connected to President Biden, the decisions of Attorney General Merrick Garland are fast moving from the inexplicable to incomprehensible.

Garland was presumably briefed that classified documents were discovered in Joe Biden’s old office on Nov. 2. He also presumably knew about the Biden documents when he appointed a special counsel to investigate the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago 16 days later.

At the time of the appointment of Jack Smith, some of us noted the inexplicable refusal of Garland to appoint a special counsel to look into alleged Biden influence peddling and other crimes.

Garland continued to refuse such an appointment even as he justified the appointment of Smith on the basis that Trump was running for the presidency. Joe Biden is the president. What is the difference?

President Biden, meanwhile, is feigning ignorance, simply saying he was “surprised” the documents were there.

By not discussing the content of the documents, Biden minimizes his vulnerability to charges of obstruction or false statements. He can simply declare “surprise,” knowing that many in the media will welcome his silence as they spin the scandal.


Despite the lack of information, the press and pundits have already declared there is no real national security danger and certainly no comparison to Mar-a-Lago. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, declared “There is no comparison. They were in a locked closet. They were not accessible.”

So that is the standard? A locked closet? The Mar-a-Lago storage room was locked and later the security was enhanced at the request of the FBI.


It is fair to note that Trump and his staff are accused of false statements and obstruction. However, that does not change the same alleged crime of unlawful removal and possession.

Biden is taking a page from the Hillary Clinton playbook. Recall the long-sought Whitewater documents. After the case was effectively over, they suddenly appeared. The New York Times called the documents “elusive,” as if they moved by free will.

Clinton was also “surprised” by the discovery of the documents . . . after they could not be used as part of the earlier investigation.

There are some obvious explanations for the documents being present in the office, particularly given Biden’s work on a book that discussed his work in some of the referenced countries like Ukraine. However, even that explanation raises more questions. For example, Biden left office as vice president in 2017 and had an office at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia after finishing his term until 2019. On February 8, 2018, the Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement says that it opened its doors in Washington, D.C.


So if these documents were removed when Biden left office, where were they in the prior year and were they moved repeatedly before they ended up in the Washington office? This does not appear a “one-and-done” mistake. Rather documents may have been at various locations over a five year period.


The FBI has two immediate tasks: secure the highly classified documents and then determine whether they may have been compromised.

Consider that Biden notably did not categorically deny asking for the documents to be taken at the end of this term as vice president.

He also did not explain when he was briefed after they were found.

Democrats and the media are eager to wave this away and move on. But, as the statements of Garland and Biden show, there are many questions that need answering. The discovery of new classified documents only magnifies those unanswered questions.

Jonathan Turley is an attorney and professor at George Washington University Law School.

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Tucker on Penn-Biden and the Pravdas
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2023, 07:09:08 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2023, 01:46:17 PM »
As usual, strong analysis of the interface of law and politics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJUrHXyhLmE

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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2023, 03:40:05 PM »
obama has documents
 too in Chicago where he is building his billion dollar shrine

but this is supposedly ok since they "under the possession of the National Archives "

I wonder how he always seems to keep his distance .......

"by the book"

always is the explanation

problem is it is a book. he writes if you ask me

like it was when he agreed with comey to excuse hillary



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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2023, 05:43:39 PM »
second

Secret docs in Penn-Biden office were in a folder marked "personal"?!?


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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2023, 06:59:00 PM »
Looking for a good statement of Hillary's crimes in this regard as well.

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why did the biden docs leak when they did
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2023, 06:17:32 AM »
obviously Biden knew about the docs for long time

why they leaked the day they did not clear
Marc Levin thinks it was due to the threat of Republican investigations

but I wonder if there was another reason(s):

Even showing up on left wing outlets :

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-files-investigation-overshadow-white-025732669.html

long knives are being unsheathed  :-D

ready for Kamala ?   :-o

just kidding
shysters will cover this up somehow




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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2023, 09:41:00 AM »
Tucker thinks this is a back stab reaction to Joe thinking he is going to run again.

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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2023, 10:26:56 AM »

"Tucker thinks this is a back stab reaction to Joe thinking he is going to run again.

WOW TUCKER DOES READ THE DG FORUM!   :-D


from my post of Jan 11 :

"within a day or 2 leaks come out about the the classified records -
timing is everything in love and politics.  wonder if this is coincidental or
someone stopping him from running ?"

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If Patrick Ho had not been arrested
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2023, 10:27:57 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEFC_China_Energy

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/patrick-ho-former-head-organization-backed-chinese-energy-conglomerate-sentenced-3

"Remember when Hunter asked his building manager to cut new keys for # “new office mates Joe Biden, Jill Biden, Jim Biden, Gongwen Dong, Chairman Ye CEFC emissary,” & a new office sign: “The Biden Foundation Hudson West (CEFC US).” If CEFC partner Patrick Ho hadn’t been arrested then Joe Biden would have been stashing these classified documents in an office he shared with the capitalist arm of the Chinese Communist Party’s belt and road initiative, backed by CCP intelligence." - Miranda Devine

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Gingrich nails it
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2023, 10:38:19 AM »


https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/hunter-biden-china-ties-should-be-top-focus-for-biden-special-counsel-gingrich_4982006.html?utm_source=China&src_src=China&utm_campaign=uschina-2023-01-13&src_cmp=uschina-2023-01-13&utm_medium=email&est=w%2BVP2bMwn%2BfEGuHzxfCmlq3%2B5kFlABYt%2B5iho28aKZKQavT1zqQHeKFm7k2VQ5Qb0ylM

Hunter Biden, China Ties Should Be Top Focus for Biden Special Counsel: Gingrich
By Eva Fu January 12, 2023 Updated: January 13, 2023biggersmaller Print

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The newly appointed special counsel to investigate President Joe Biden’s handling of classified documents should dig into the University of Pennsylvania’s connections with China and any potential role of Hunter Biden, said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Files with classified markings from the Obama-Biden administration have so far been found in two locations linked to the president—the Penn Biden Center in Washington where he worked from 2017 to 2019, as well as his home in Wilmington, Delaware.

The Biden document case, Gingrich said, will “inevitably” lead back to Hunter Biden and the question of “Chinese communist money.”

The University of Pennsylvania received tens of millions of Chinese funding over the past few years, with one gift valued at $14.5 million coming in May 2018, three months after the Penn Biden Center’s official opening.

While the center has denied ever soliciting or receiving any gifts from China, the university “has never been willing to tell the truth about how many million dollars they’ve gotten from the Chinese Communists,” Gingrich, a contributor to The Epoch Times, said in an interview.

As an honorary professor, Biden received about $910,000 from the University of Pennsylvania and visited the campus at least nine times, according to local media.

“Money is always fungible. They may have replaced one set of money, which went to Biden, with Chinese money. They don’t open their books. They have not allowed anyone to audit it,” the former House speaker said, noting that the University of Pennsylvania’s president, Amy Gutmann, is now the ambassador to Germany.

Media reports citing anonymous sources said that the less than a dozen classified files discovered at the Penn Biden Center contain intelligence memos relating to Ukraine, Iran, and the UK, which Gingrich flagged as suspicious.

During Biden’s time as the vice president, his second son Hunter allegedly pocketed millions from foreign business dealings in countries such as Ukraine and China. In 2021, while promoting a new book, Hunter said his name was like “gold” to a Ukrainian gas firm.

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Hunter Biden and his wife Melissa Cohen leave the White House and walk to Marine One on the South Lawn in Washington on Dec. 16, 2022. (Drew Angerer/Getty Images)
“The real vulnerability for Joe Biden is what his son represented, and how much money his son took,” Gingrich said, describing Hunter as “basically the bagman for his father.”

A Penn Biden Center spokesperson reiterated that it hasn’t ever received money from China, adding that 100 percent of its budget comes from university funds.

“Penn is fully compliant with federal law regarding the reporting of foreign gifts and contracts, as foreign gifts are all properly reported to the U.S. Department of Education,” the spokesperson told The Epoch Times in an email.

‘Too Big to Hide’?
The first batch of Biden documents was found at the Penn Biden Center on Nov. 2, days before the midterms, and another set surfaced from the garage at Biden’s Delaware residence on Dec. 20, with one additional page turning up in the garage’s adjacent room on Jan. 11, according to the White House and Attorney General Merrick Garland. But the public knew little of their existence until Jan. 9, when the information leaked to the media.

“It doesn’t surprise me just because the whole game has been rigged all along,” Gingrich said about the two-month delay.

“They were not going to announce it before the election, because it would have undermined the Democrats and substantially hurt their ability to survive the election. I think that was pretty straightforward.”

He saw the development as a continuation of late 2020 with the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story in the weeks leading up to the presidential election. At the time, more than 50 former senior intelligence officials signed a public letter labeling the story as Russian disinformation, although recently-released “Twitter files” show that FBI agents had made an “organized effort” to “discredit” reports on the issue.

“They suppressed negative information about Biden in 2020, and they came back and did the same thing in 2022,” Gingrich said.

The raid of former President Donald Trump’s Florida resort over Trump’s handling of classified document handling, he said, was a contrast to the treatment of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was cleared of criminal charges over the use of private email servers for official communications. On at least two occasions, Clinton staffers disposed of her old mobile devices by breaking them in half or destroying them with a hammer.

“And somehow it’s not a problem,” said Gingrich. “Here’s a pattern here where if you’re a liberal Democrat, it’s amazing what you can get away with. But this may now get to be too big for them to hide.”

The Fairness Question
The president has been surprised by the finding of the documents, Biden and the White House have said. But to Gingrich, these claims are not convincing.

“I think he lies all the time,” Gingrich said, citing a Republican National Committee compilation of 21 occasions where Biden’s statements turned out to be inaccurate.

“I’m not even sure he knows he’s lying,” he added, saying that Biden “just says whatever he wants to say” without “any factual basis.”

Around the time of the Mar-a-Lago raid last August, reporters asked Biden whether it was appropriate for a president to take classified and top secret materials home, to which he replied that “it depends on the document, and it depends on how secure the room is.”

At a press briefing on Thursday, Biden defended the storage of the classified papers near his Corvette, saying that the “Corvette’s in a locked garage, so it’s not like it’s sitting out on the street.”

Gingrich found this definition “silly.” “Nothing Trump was doing was sitting out on the street,” he said.

Jack Smith, a former Justice Department official, is currently in charge of a pair of criminal investigations into Trump. Besides the classified documents, the probe looks into the alleged interference of the 2020 election outcome. But if the government has a case against Trump, “they have a bigger case against Biden,” Gingrich believes.

“We ought to figure out what the rules are. Whatever rules they apply to Trump, they’ve got to apply to Hillary Clinton. And if they’re not going to do anything to Joe Biden and Hilary Clinton, they’ve got to let Trump alone—You can’t have it both ways,” he said.

“That’s not the rule of law. And that’s not justice.”

The Epoch Times has reached out to the White House and Hunter Biden’s attorney for comment.


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Robert Hur
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2023, 10:41:12 AM »
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What We Know About Robert Hur, Special Counsel Probing Biden’s Handling of Classified Documents
By Samantha Flom January 12, 2023 Updated: January 13, 2023biggersmaller Print

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Robert K. Hur, the special counsel appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to lead the probe into President Joe Biden’s handling of classified documents, is a former federal prosecutor with a “long and distinguished career,” according to Garland.

“As U.S. Attorney, [Hur] supervised some of the Department’s more important national security, public corruption, and other high-profile matters,” the attorney general noted in announcing Hur’s appointment on Jan. 12.

Hur held the role of U.S. attorney for the District of Maryland from April 2018 until February 2021. He was appointed to that role by former President Donald Trump, and unanimously confirmed by the Senate in March 2018.

Adding that he would ensure Hur received all of the necessary resources to perform his investigation, Garland continued, “I am confident that Mr. Hur will carry out his responsibility in an even-handed and urgent manner, and in accordance with the highest traditions of this Department.”

Hur’s appointment as special counsel follows a tumultuous week for the Biden administration as new details regarding the classified documents discovered at President Joe Biden’s Wilmington, Delaware, home and former office at the Penn Biden Center in Washington continue to come to light.

“I will conduct the assigned investigation with fair, impartial, and dispassionate judgment,” Hur said in a Jan. 12 statement released by the Justice Department (DOJ). “I intend to follow the facts swiftly and thoroughly, without fear or favor, and will honor the trust placed in me to perform this service.”

A ‘Distinguished Career’
A graduate of Harvard University and Stanford Law School and former law clerk for Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Hur joined the DOJ’s Criminal Division in 2003, where he served as counsel and special assistant to then-Assistant Attorney General Christopher Wray.

Wray, who is now the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, has come under scrutiny in recent months for his leadership as fears of political bias against conservatives have escalated in the wake of the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol breach and the bureau’s August raid of former President Donald Trump’s home.

While working for Wray, Hur worked on counterterrorism, corporate fraud, and appellate matters.

Between 2003 and 2018, Hur went back and forth between the Justice Department and private law practice at King & Spalding, serving as an assistant U.S. attorney from November 2007 to January 2014 and principal associate deputy attorney general from June 2018 to April 2018.

In the latter role, Hur served as the principal counselor to then-Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, assisting with oversight of the National Security, Civil, Criminal, and Antitrust divisions, all 93 U.S. attorneys’ offices, and the FBI.

Rosenstein is noteworthy for his involvement in the Trump-Russia collusion investigation—particularly for appointing Robert Mueller as special counsel and signing off on the application to spy on former Trump associate Carter Page.

As U.S. Attorney for the District of Maryland, Hur and his office brought resolved fraud and corruption charges against dozens of officials and public employees, according to the Justice Department. These include former Baltimore City Mayor Catherine Pugh, former Baltimore City Police Commissioner Darryl DeSousa former Maryland Delegate Cheryl Glenn, former Maryland Delegate Tawanna Gaines, and former Maryland State Senator Nathaniel Oaks.

Hur resigned from the position in April 2021, and since then has served as a partner at the Washington law office of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, where he has focused his practice on white-collar criminal matters, regulatory proceedings and enforcement, internal investigations, and civil litigation.

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Re: Robert Hur
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2023, 04:05:11 PM »
He was picked by the guy who ordered the Trump raid and given a vote of confidence by the guy who signed the phony FISA applications and appointed Mueller for the Russia collusion witch hunt.

He was a Trump appointee?  For prosecutor, not a Trump judge where they are screened for judicial philosophy and bias.  He had the support of Maryland's two Senators, both extreme left.

Here's what I want to know. When Mueller was appointed, the mandate was to investigate this and that and follow it wherever it leads them.  In other words, unlimited in scope.  In this case, is that true?  Don't they need to know ALL the details of the Biden crime family in order to know if these documents were taken, hidden or kept for intentional or criminal reasons?  And identify or prosecute every crime found along the way?

That's not what I heard.  It sounded limited to the storage of the documents themselves.  For Democrats, the precedent is Hillary.  She stole them all, stored them, hid them and then permanently destroyed them while under subpoena - without consequence.

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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2023, 04:08:54 PM »
"WOW TUCKER DOES READ THE DG FORUM!   :-D  "


If he doesn't we should raise our profile until he has to.    )


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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank, the Corvette Papers, and related matters
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2023, 10:24:29 AM »
"Wherever it leads"

Dan Bongino on FOX said the standard is far narrower in Joe's case.  Let's keep an eye on specifics for this.

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We need to keep our eye on this aspect of all this
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2023, 11:48:04 AM »
Some key details in the following:

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Documents Found at Biden Office Raise Concerns of CCP Connection: Paul Kamenar
By Ryan Morgan and Steve Lance January 13, 2023 Updated: January 13, 2023biggersmaller Print

The discovery of potentially classified documents at President Joe Biden’s former office space at the Penn Biden Center raises concerns in light of the center’s ties to China and potentially to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), according to Paul Kamenar, an attorney for the National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC).

In November, lawyers tasked with closing down Biden’s office space at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement—a Washington office space Biden jointly operated with the University of Pennsylvania—discovered potentially classified documents in a locked closet. Following their discovery, the Biden administration lawyers reportedly contacted the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to turn over the documents.

The Biden administration publicly announced the discovery of these documents on Monday, Jan. 9, more than two months after they turned them over to NARA.

In an interview with NTD News, Kamenar raised concern about the discovery of these documents in light of the approximately $63 million the University of Pennsylvania has received from China in recent years.

“There is a direct connection here because the Penn Biden Center is funded, of course, by the University of Pennsylvania,” Kamenar said. “And our investigation, in fact, our complaint against the Biden center with the Department of Education is that they are getting a lot of money from China, from the Chinese Communist entities there that are really unaccounted for.”


In May 2020, NLPC filed a complaint, requesting that the Department of Education investigate the university and the Penn Biden Center over donations from anonymous Chinese sources.

“There’s about $63 million that was given to the University of Pennsylvania over the last few years. Of that, $22 million is listed as anonymous. And there’s one single donation of $14.5 million from one single anonymous source in China. That was given in 2018 when the Biden center opened, and there’s more money given after Biden announced in 2019 that he is running for president. So the question is, how is this Chinese money getting to the Biden center?” Kamenar told NTD News.

According to Kamenar, the University of Pennsylvania insisted the Penn Biden Center is funded through the university’s general treasury, but he said that answer “avoids the question” of are the anonymous Chinese donations to the university  related to Biden’s connection with the school?

“The money coming from China to the University of Pennsylvania, where does that go? It’s not given to the music department at the University of Pennsylvania. University of Pennsylvania has various Chinese-related institutes within the university system, and the Biden Center is one,” Kamenar said. “So it doesn’t take a Sherlock Holmes to deduce that a lot of this Chinese money is being funneled to the Biden Center.”

Discoveries Raise Questions of How and When Documents Were Moved

In addition to the initial discovery of documents at the Penn Biden Center on Nov. 2, the White House has admitted another set of documents was found at Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware on Dec. 20, 2022, followed by another discovery of documents at the home on Jan. 12, 2022.

Kamenar suggested that the Biden administration decided to delay disclosing their initial document findings until after the 2022 midterm elections.

“The original set of documents were discovered on Nov. 2, six days before the midterm election so I could see why they kept it secret until after the elections. But now it’s two months later, and we’re finally learning about this. I think they were trying to keep this under wraps,” Kamenar said.

The potentially classified documents found in Biden’s former office space and in his home could have come from his time as the vice president before leaving office in 2017.

Kamenar said the document discoveries raise questions about when they were potentially removed from the White House and where they were stored during the time between Biden’s term as vice president and when he returned to the White House as the president. Biden became an honorary professor at the University of Pennsylvania in 2017 and the Penn Biden Center opened in 2018.

“In terms of when were these documents transferred from the White House would [be] when Biden left the White House in 2017, they apparently went to his home in Delaware, and from there, University of Pennsylvania, back to the Biden center here,” Kamenar said.

Kamenar also questioned the timing of the decision to finally close down the Penn Biden Center in November of 2022—about two years after Biden won the presidency—and the involvement of lawyers in that move.

“Why was he moving his office here in the Biden center in November, when he was already out of office for two years? Why did it take him two years to say, hey, I don’t need that office anymore at the Biden center, I should have moved? And then why is he having high-priced DC private attorneys do that moving? I mean, you’re gonna move your office, you hire a moving company or some staffer or intern, say ‘hey, move these boxes back'” Kamenar said. “So there’s a lot that needs to be explored here.”

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Beware when the narrative starts in the middle
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2023, 02:39:06 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-big-problem-with-the-joe-biden-documents-story/ar-AA16lzOt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=414dd423627446d5b8afdc3f4e87ec25

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Biden's lawyers did not tell us. They said simply, "The documents were discovered when the president's personal attorneys were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington." But why were they doing it at that moment? "Beware when the narrative starts in the middle," advises Jason Foster, a former longtime investigative counsel in the Senate and now head of Empower Oversight. "It may mean someone doesn't want you to know how it began."

Indeed, the Biden documents story starts in the middle. We don't know how it began. How did the classified documents end up in the former vice president's possession? We don't know.

The same questions apply to the documents found in Biden's home in Wilmington, Delaware. How did they get there? When did they get there? Did Biden himself use them? Did he move them around once they were there? Again, what we know comes from the president's lawyers. Richard Sauber, a special counsel to the president who the White House says was hired to deal with investigations from the new Republican-controlled House, released a statement Thursday saying that after the discovery of the Penn Biden Center documents, "the president's lawyers have searched the president's Wilmington and Rehoboth Beach, Delaware residences — the other locations where files from his vice presidential office might have been shipped in the course of the 2017 transition."

Even though the Penn Biden Center discovery occurred on Nov. 2, 2022, Sauber said the search of the Delaware houses was completed "last night," meaning Wednesday night, Jan. 11, 2023. Why did Biden's lawyers wait so long to search the houses? Biden's lawyers did not say. They did say they were "coordinating closely" with the Justice Department.


In any event, Biden's lawyers said they discovered a "small number" of classified documents at the president's house in Wilmington. "All but one of these documents were found in storage space in the president's Wilmington residence garage," the lawyers said. "One document consisting of one page was discovered among stored materials in an adjacent room." The president himself, in remarks at the White House Thursday, added that the adjacent room was his "personal library."

Those White House remarks, by the way, were the ones in which Biden defended the storage of classified material in a garage close to his beloved 1967 Corvette sports car. "My Corvette is in a locked garage, OK?" Biden said in response to a question from Fox News's Peter Doocy. "So it's not like they're sitting out in the street." With that, Biden seemed to suggest that security for a really cool vintage car is certainly sufficient for classified documents, too.

The documents in the Wilmington house could present another problem for Biden, which is that Biden's son Hunter, when he was addicted to crack and in a downward spiral, was living in the house when the documents were in the garage. That could be a problem in two senses. One, Hunter Biden, always trying to make some money off his father's names and connections, had a lot of shady foreign associates. And two, Hunter had what you might call a lax attitude toward information security. After all, he left a laptop filled with all sorts of information at a repair shop and never returned to claim it, leading to more problems than anyone could have imagined.

Right now, beyond a very few details furnished by the Justice Department in the announcement of the appointment of special counsel Robert Hur, everything the public knows about the classified documents has come from the Biden team. And now, it is a good bet that the appointment of Hur will make information even harder to come by.
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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank, the Corvette Papers, and related matters
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2023, 04:04:48 AM »
Trivia: The nominee in question, Ted Sorenson, was a JFK speechwriter (working from memory here) and was in our home in 1968 as part of a meeting of the local Dem Party in support of Sen. Eugene McCarthy's candidacy for President.

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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank, the Corvette Papers, and related matters
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2023, 04:06:55 AM »
18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
U.S. Code.

(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

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Ted Sorensen
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2023, 09:22:07 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Sorensen


"Sorensen said he wrote "a first draft of most of the chapters" of John F. Kennedy's 1956 book Profiles in Courage and "helped choose the words of many of its sentences."[6][7]"

I remember my father bought Profiles in Courage book in the 60s for me to read .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiles_in_Courage#/media/File:Profiles_in_Courage_Front_Cover_(1956_first_edition).jpg

funny I don't see Sorensen's name on the book even though he , not JFK likely wrote the vast majority of it.

excerpts from Wikipedia on this:

"On December 7, 1957,[14] journalist Drew Pearson appeared as a guest on The Mike Wallace Interview and made the claim that "John F. Kennedy is the only man in history that I know who won a Pulitzer Prize for a book that was ghostwritten for him." Wallace replied: "You know for a fact, Drew, that the book Profiles in Courage was written for Senator Kennedy ... by someone else?" Pearson responded that he did and that Kennedy speechwriter Ted Sorensen wrote the book. Wallace responded: "And Kennedy accepted a Pulitzer Prize for it? And he never acknowledged the fact?" Pearson replied: "No, he has not. You know, there's a little wisecrack around the Senate about Jack ... some of his colleagues say, 'Jack, I wish you had a little less profile and more courage.'"[3][9]

****Joseph P. Kennedy saw the broadcast, then called his lawyer, Clark Clifford, yelling: "Sue the bastards for fifty million dollars!" Soon Clifford and Robert F. Kennedy showed up at ABC and told executives that the Kennedys would sue unless the network issued a full retraction and apology. Wallace and Pearson insisted that the story was true and refused to comply. Nevertheless, ABC made the retraction and apology, which made Wallace furious.[3][9]***

just an older example of different rules for elites.....






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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2023, 05:54:59 AM »
Thank you for that.  I just used it in an email to my mom reminding her of those meetings in our home.

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Byron York
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2023, 08:01:33 AM »
funny how the guy addicted to crack living at father's house could afford 600 K per yr in rent
for a home HE is owner of and then not reported by father as per tax law

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-big-problem-with-the-joe-biden-documents-story

sounds like tax fraud to me .
sounds like bribe to me.

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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank, the Corvette Papers, and related matters
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2023, 08:50:38 AM »
"funny how the guy addicted to crack living at father's house could afford 600 K per yr in rent
for a home HE is owner of and then not reported by father as per tax law"

Almost as if he is a bag man , , ,

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dershowitz opinion
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2023, 11:50:12 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/15/dershowitz-biden-reaps-tit-for-tat-in-weaponization-of-justice/

I do NOT agree with this:

"My own belief is that every president and vice president has probably mishandled classified material in some way. This is not because of any malevolent intent. None has given or sold such material to our enemies. The mishandling was probably either careless or designed to help a former official in writing their memoirs. The case of former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger is an example of the latter. He stuffed improperly possessed material into his socks to facilitate his writing his memoir. The other recent examples – Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Joe Biden – seem like instances of sloppiness, laziness or convenience."

Does he REALLY think Berger went to NA and was stuffing documents down his pants so he could write his memoirs.  I thought is was shown it was to cover up Clinton's handling of Osama Bin Laden.

Does he REALLY think Hillary Clinton hiding a server in a bathroom closest was not to hide her communications from the public and was a inadvertent mistake?

Of course these were crimes .   

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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2023, 04:40:54 PM »
Agree with you 100%!!!

Inter alia, Berger destroyed some of what he took-- stuff that was pivotal in proving a crime by Hillary. ("cover up Clinton's handling of Osama Bin Laden")

We have covered here at length the reasons we think Biden is compromised by the Chinese and the Ukes.

Hillary was pure out and out coverup of pay for play and worse.

Trump has justification under Presidential Power to Declassify and under the Presidential Records Act-- though Trump being Trump it would be no surprise were he to be rolling a few stops signs.

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How does the Secret Service manage and vet visitors?
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2023, 05:52:14 PM »
second

How does the Secret Service manage and vet visitors if there's no record of who comes and goes?



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CHAIN OF CUSTODY QUESTIONS
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2023, 07:05:41 AM »

Who had custody of the various documents in question in the Obama White House? 

Aren't these documents moved by highly special couriers?

Shouldn't there be a log? 

When and how and under whose authority/responsibility did they leave the WH? 

Where were the Penn-Biden docs in the year before they appeared in the P-B Center?

When and how did they get to Biden's home(s) and how did they get to their specific locations?

Regarding the garage, on the TV show Jay Leno's Garage, in discussing his Corvette Joe said that Hunter (and his brother) worked on it!!!  If I have it right this was during Hunter's druggy years.

Who ordered the searches by Biden's lawyers and why did they do so?
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2013 DC Circuit decision on visitor logs
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2023, 07:26:20 AM »
second


A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled in 2013 that White House visitor logs for the president, his advisers, and immediate staff are governed by the Presidential Records Act (PRA).[2] As such, they need only be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration when a president leaves office. The logs (and other presidential records) may become available through the Freedom of Information Act beginning five years after the end of an administration (although the outgoing president may invoke some restrictions on public access for up to 12 years).[3


In a change from previous practice, Barack Obama's administration in 2009 announced that it would voluntarily release visitor logs after 90 to 120 days to increase government transparency.[9] There were several exceptions to the Obama policy, including:[10]

Information that could implicate personal privacy, safety, or law enforcement efforts;
Releases that could threaten national security;
Records related to personal visits with the president’s family and the vice president’s family;
Records related to "a small group of particularly sensitive meetings";
Visitor logs for the vice president's residence.
Upon taking office, Donald Trump's administration redesigned the White House website and included a page for “visitor access records.” However, White House communications director Michael Dubke announced on April 14, 2017, that the administration would not release visitor logs.[11][12]


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As usual AMcC is pithily on point
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2023, 06:31:45 PM »
The Trump–Biden Comparisons Are Beside the Point
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
January 17, 2023 2:37 PM

The DOJ’s decision not to charge Hillary Clinton for her homebrew-server shenanigans is much more significant to both men’s cases.
It was inevitable that two concurrent scandals involving classified-information violations, one implicating a former president and one implicating the current president, would be endlessly compared. But the fact that the two situations are being compared does not make the comparison very edifying.

That’s because when two people violate the same criminal statute, there are always differences in details and degree of culpability. They’ve both committed crimes, but those crimes aren’t identical. One may be worse in its details or degree of culpability, but the less-bad crime is still a crime.

In criminal law, we analyze crimes through two different prisms, liability and culpability — or, if you prefer, guilt and sentencing.

Liability asks the question of whether a person is guilty of a criminal offense defined by the statute. On that question, comparisons between offenders are irrelevant because guilt is personal — you are either guilty or not guilty based on your own behavior, not on how others have behaved.

If you are not guilty — if the prosecution cannot prove the elements of the penal offense at issue beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury’s satisfaction — then you are not liable for punishment, end of story.

If you are guilty, then we move on to culpability — the sentencing phase. And there, comparisons are highly relevant. How severely you are punished, or whether you are punished at all, is largely a function of how your actions in committing the offense stack up against the behavior of others who’ve committed the same offense. (The other major factor in sentencing is your personal characteristics, such as your criminal history.)

So while the predictable Washington parlor game is to compare Trump and Biden, the comparison is beside the point. The question of whether Biden violated the laws governing how classified information is to be handled does not turn on whether Trump’s conduct was worse. It does not even turn on Biden’s hypocrisy in ripping Trump for being irresponsible when he, too, was unlawfully retaining highly classified information in multiple unauthorized locations.


Rather, the question of whether Biden is guilty turns on whether his provable, personal conduct matches what the statutes controlling national-defense and classified information say. Trump’s conduct is not germane to that inquiry. Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed a special counsel because Biden may be in violation of the criminal law. And that special counsel, Robert Hur, will not be evaluating Biden’s behavior by measuring it against Trump’s; he will be evaluating it by measuring it against the applicable criminal statutes.

The Trump–Biden comparisons also obscure the fact that the Hillary Clinton precedent is the essential context for assessing both the Trump and Biden cases. As I wrote last week:

As secretary of state, [Clinton] willfully — and against regulations that not only applied to her but that she was enforcing against others — set up a home-brew email-server system in order to defeat government record-keeping requirements (which would otherwise have shown, for example, how much intermingling there was between State Department and Clinton Foundation business). Because dealing with sensitive foreign-relations, military, and national-security matters made up the lion’s share of her job, it was inevitable that classified information and discussions alluding to defense matters were going to be transmitted over and stored on her nonsecure system. And the scheme went on for years, even implicating President Obama in reckless communications of highly sensitive matters via the unprotected facilities. The FBI internally acknowledged that Clinton’s home-brew system could easily have been, and likely was, penetrated by hostile foreign intelligence services.

When the scheme was discovered, Clinton intentionally destroyed tens of thousands of emails, even though she knew full well that they were pertinent to investigations (including Congress’s Benghazi probe) and contained government records (not merely, as she ludicrously claimed, yoga routines and correspondence about Chelsea Clinton’s wedding) that federal law required her to preserve. (It is worth noting here that the Justice Department is contemplating charging Trump with exactly the kind of misconduct on which Clinton got a pass: the unlawful retention of government records, regardless of whether they were classified.)

Clinton was not accused of impeding a grand-jury investigation, but that is only because, under circumstances in which Obama let it be known that he did not want Clinton charged, the Obama–Biden Justice Department colluded with Clinton’s lawyers to limit the FBI’s access to key evidence. The fix was in: The FBI’s top brass began writing up a statement recommending against charges months before the non-prosecution decision was formally made. Even Clinton’s preposterous statements in her perfunctory FBI interview — at which the FBI allowed her accomplices to sit in as her lawyers — were not going to change the administration’s determination not to indict. In order to reach that determination, moreover, the Obama–Biden Justice Department and the FBI effectively rewrote the Espionage Act to require proof of an intent to harm the United States, when the plain text of the statute allows government officials to be prosecuted for gross negligence even absent any such intent.

So the Trump–Biden comparisons are a distraction. The Justice Department’s decision not to charge Hillary Clinton for her homebrew-server shenanigans is much more significant to both Trump’s and Biden’s cases.

From the Justice Department’s standpoint, the failure to bring any charges against Clinton — either for mishandling classified information, destroying government files, obstruction, or lying to investigators — was always going to make a Trump prosecution difficult to justify. Personally, I think the takeaway here is that Clinton should have been prosecuted, not that Trump is innocent. But that’s beside the point.

No, what matters is that growing public anger about our two-tiered justice system is a major political issue, one that will factor heavily in the 2024 campaign. Even absent the existence of Biden’s own classified-information controversy, the president’s reelection bid would be significantly endangered if his Justice Department indicted Trump for conduct analogous to that for which Clinton got a pass. In fact, that is exactly why Garland appointed a special counsel for Trump despite the lack of any real conflict of interest: He was trying to insulate Biden from responsibility for any decision to charge Trump (a futile strategy, since it could not obscure that the special counsel reports to Garland — Biden’s AG — and exercises Biden’s executive power).

The Clinton precedent left the Justice Department with, at best, very little justification for prosecuting Trump; prosecutors would have a hard time claiming that his actions were so uniquely awful, compared to Clinton’s, that an indictment was warranted. To make that case, prosecutors needed everything to go right. The last thing they could afford was the explosive development that the sitting president is now under investigation for violating the same penal laws Trump is under investigation for violating.

The significance of that development has nothing to do with whether Trump’s violation is more serious than Biden’s. It has to do with the politics of indicting Trump when Clinton got a pass and the justice system is already tainted by its disparate treatment of similar offenders depending on whether they are Democrats (not prosecuted) or Republicans (aggressively prosecuted).

Obviously, the Clinton precedent also appears to help Biden. The media–Democrat complex has tried its best to cement the narrative that Trump’s conduct was much worse than Biden’s, but the fact is that we’re still learning about Biden’s violations, and it may be some time before we can make confident assessments of that narrative. As of now, it does look likely that Biden’s conduct, while illegal, was less extensive than Clinton’s and Trump’s. And since Clinton wasn’t prosecuted, it would be at least as hard to justify prosecuting Biden as to justify prosecuting Trump.

But this is cold comfort to Democrats and their media allies. They know full well that Biden was never going to be indicted by his own Justice Department (including a special counsel selected by and reporting to Biden’s attorney general), not least because DOJ guidance prohibits the indictment of a sitting president. And they know equally well that Biden won’t be impeached and removed over this — House Republicans who continue to support Trump despite the Mar-a-Lago documents scandal can’t claim that Biden’s mishandling of classified information makes him unfit for office; and with Democrats in control of the Senate, there is no chance that there would be the required two-thirds’ supermajority to convict him anyway.

Instead, Democrats and their journalist sympathizers will continue fulminating that every time they think they have Trump in the crosshairs, he manages to slip away. That’s not really true, of course. Trump’s accumulated impeachments and criminal investigations have exacted real costs on him, politically and personally. But Democrats know that, after Clinton, and given the fact that Biden is not going to be charged for mishandling classified information, they’d be playing with fire by charging Trump for the same offense — fire that could make their 2024 hopes go up in smoke.

Andrew C. McCarthy
ANDREW C. MCCARTHY is a senior fellow at National Review Institute, an NR contributing editor, and author of BALL OF COLLUSION: THE PLOT TO RIG AN ELECTION AND DESTROY A PRESIDENCY. @andrewcmccarthy

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Re: Penn-Biden Think Tank, the Corvette Papers, and related matters
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2023, 07:06:33 PM »
yes agreed A McC is very good again

another bottom line

it is impossible to get a Democrat in DC
they are alway protected and the opposite is true for Republicans - they are never protected

if Nixon was a crat he would never have been impeached
frankly I doubt woodward and bernstein would have even pursued him
though I could be wrong on the latter.


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« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2023, 08:02:47 PM »
he does NOT have the power to declassify all classified documents

UNLESS he was the one who classified them himself to begin with.

Then he can declassify those but only those

I saw this clarified somewhere by attorneys I forget where

he is not off the hook
unless the shysters are going to claim all these documents he had that are classified where labelled classified by him to start with.

"McClanahan, who also teaches at the George Washington University Law School, said that under a 2009 executive order signed by Obama, the vice president is included in a list of "original classification authorities," meaning Biden had the power declassify anything he classified'

yes what * he classified* - Biden

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« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2023, 05:54:11 AM »
Yes, that sounds right.

Lazy first read by me.

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Re: As usual AMcC is pithily on point
« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2023, 06:10:27 AM »
"given the fact that Biden is not going to be charged for mishandling classified information,..."


What does that say about our country? No matter where the evidence leads, he isn't going to be charged because he's a Democrat.

Or is McCarthy wrong? If these documents tie to their corruption, he's going to the hoosegow. This is america. We take our laws seriously. Just kidding.

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attorneys involved in cover up
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2023, 06:22:30 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/17/report-doj-permitted-bidens-personal-attorneys-to-search-for-classified-documents-without-fbi/

"What does that say about our country? No matter where the evidence leads, he isn't going to be charged because he's a Democrat."

right. we are as corrupt as other countries we looked down on for being corrupt
(oh but we have free and fair elections - they say  :roll:)

laws  for us, others for "them"

lawyers make laws then spend the rest of the time weaseling arguments around them so they can be selectively enforced

when people hear me bemoan the corruption in the music industry and do not believe it , I say just look at DC - it is all corrupt . What is so hard to believe ?