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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #100 on: July 24, 2024, 02:13:19 PM »
NOBODY gets to the truth like Janet Napolitano. Her public breakthrough was to represent Anita Hill in the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings.

Can someone tell me what public good came out of that? A pubic hair on a Coke can? But now she is the sloped roof czar, saving our democracy.

http://www.allgov.com/officials/napolitano-janet?officialid=28847

[Doug]  The Anita Hill testimony to the Biden committee was the inflection point in the demise of our republic.
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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2024, 03:35:51 PM »
Just saw an interview on Martha MacCaullum of witness who also provided video footage.

Clearly he was a shooter.   His comments:

AR-15 with red dot reticle, not a telescope

Poor trigger discipline-- thus unable to reacquire well after first shot.

Sighted in correctly a red dot @ ~135 yards isn’t a difficult shot, though the smart tactic would be to aim at the center of mass as it will hold far more still than, as we saw, a head. A 5.56 torso shot, particularly with follow ups, will ruin your day.

The different trigger/shot cadence just doesn’t smell right to me. The first three shots had a slow, disciplined sounding cadence, albeit a fairly slow one. On the one hand the .223/5.56 doesn’t have much recoil, meaning follow up shots are not difficult to achieve at the three shot initial cadence. My then 12 year old daughter could easily make 100 yard hits at that cadence in a torso size target all day.

DPMS triggers, however, are milspec at best, meaning likely a gritty 5-8 .lbs trigger press with a nebulous reset. Be interesting to learn if the trigger group, which is a drop in piece that most users can replace with a few tools after watching a video about it, was upgraded. That and the glass (sights up top) are the two simplest upgrades to perform.

The second, 5-shot or so—dare I call it cadence—is what confuses me. It’s far different than the first three shots and if I was teaching and heard that I’d figure some spraying and praying was going on. Males in particular get ego stuff going and don’t want to be the last one to make their gun go “boom” or to be thought incompetent because of a slow cadence and so do some testosterone surfing by mashing the trigger as if it sounds fast is must be an expression of competence, right?

I’m trying to understand that gear shift. Were both volleys Crooks, or were we listening to two or more egos/types of trigger discipline in play?

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2024, 07:21:15 AM »
FBI Director Wray testified it is still unclear whether Trump's wound was from a bullet or shrapnel?!?

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Crook’s Gab Posts
« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2024, 01:38:21 PM »
Source material at X link. Rains on the whole “registered Republican” narrative:

NEW: Thomas Matthew Crooks made nine posts on Gab supporting President Biden, COVID lockdowns, and Biden's border policies, according to Gab Founder Andrew Torba (@BasedTorba).

"Im sorry explain to me how trump was ever concerned with what the left wanted, or anybody in the GOP for that matter?"

"The reason all the deaths are down is because you are in stuck in your house."

"Actually the executive order allows an easier path to US citizenship therefore no longer making them illegals and allowing children to join their already legalized immigrant parents in the US."

"first of all Biden executive orders don't incentivize human trafficking as human traffickers aren't interested in citizenships, likewise the majority of illegal immigrants are not criminals and in fact some studies(such as the one linked below) show lower rates of crime committed by these individuals, it is also unclear if the extensive path to citizenship is in fact effective at routing out potential bad actors hence why there is a review of that system."

"Thats funny because the first order mandates a reuniting of any families separated at the border, the 2nd and 3rd orders a review of trumps immigration policies and other previous policies. However his order doesn't actually open borders or reduce the authority of border patrol, or anything that would substantially reduce BP effectiveness."

https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1816239121825947811?s=61


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Not on a hot tin roof
« Reply #107 on: July 27, 2024, 03:58:08 PM »


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Why did Raskin and other Dems come out and demand Cheatle resign?
« Reply #109 on: July 29, 2024, 08:02:20 AM »
Was it because they wanted to punish incompetence?
Was it because they wanted to punish a Federal official who was not forthcoming?
Was it because they were really outraged about the assassination attempt almost working?

No,
It was because they wanted to get her and the topic OFF THE FRONT page.
It was hurting their party and that is why.

Why else?
They NEVER do anything without it is some way helping their party.  Country a very distant second.

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #110 on: July 29, 2024, 12:11:56 PM »

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Inquiring Minds
« Reply #111 on: July 30, 2024, 04:30:16 AM »
Thank goodness Elon ain’t memory holing:

So here's how it works:
The media spends years refusing to cover Trump's speaking events. They cut away mid-speech and describe it as "protecting their viewers from misinformation." Then, suddenly, there is a Trump event that gets covered by the major news outlets. Coincidentally, he it shot at 8 times and miraculously survives. Worse, he responds to the attack in legendary fashion and pumps his fist as blood streams down his face. Probably the most incredible political photo in modern American history gets taken. Does the media run it 24/7 for months like they would've had an attack on Biden or Obama occurred? No. They bury it. Is there a years long "national dialogue about political violence and the dangers of the radical left"? No. Zero.

In 14 days, the story is wiped from the headlines. Google suppresses all searches. Newspapers don't run the photo, stating openly that it makes him look too heroic. In just two weeks, it is like it never happened.

So what can we conclude?
Well, for one, the entire corporate media sphere works directly for the federal government and by "federal government" I mean the democrats or the establishment or the intel community. Take your pick. But you already knew that.

The conclusion, or oddity, that I can't get past:
You had a media blackout on Trump ever since J6. You've basically gone back to the blackout protocol over the past two weeks.

So...why, how etc.

Did you, the corporate news, decide to cover this one particular Trump event where he just so happened to come one inch from death?

Inquiring minds would like to know

https://x.com/libertylockpod/status/1817690696775516485?s=12

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WSJ: What we know now about Crooks
« Reply #112 on: July 30, 2024, 11:04:11 AM »


Trump Shooter Began Buying Guns, Bomb Materials More Than a Year Ago, FBI Says
Trump has agreed to be interviewed by the FBI as part of its investigation
By Sadie Gurman and C. Ryan Barber
Updated July 29, 2024 12:58 pm ET



WASHINGTON—The gunman who tried to assassinate Donald Trump began making dozens of gun-related purchases and stocking up on bomb-making materials more than a year ago, FBI officials said Monday, the strongest indication yet that he had been planning an attack well before he opened fire on the former president.

Thomas Matthew Crooks made 25 different gun-related buys online between spring 2023 and the first half of this year, and bought material used in explosives six times, officials said, offering new glimpses into their far-ranging investigation into the July 13 shooting at a campaign rally in western Pennsylvania.

FBI officials said Crooks, 20 years old, searched online for information about power plants, mass-shooting events, improvised explosive devices and the May assassination attempt on Slovakia’s prime minister, said Kevin Rojek, the FBI special agent in charge in Pittsburgh.

“While the FBI’s investigation may not have yet determined a motive, we believe the subject made significant efforts to conceal his activities,” Rojek said. “Additionally, we believe his actions can also show careful planning ahead of the campaign rally.”

Crooks made the purchases online using an alias and collected the chemicals and gun equipment in the home he shared with his parents in Bethel Park, Pa., about an hour south of the rally site. But they weren’t alarmed because he had long been interested in science and experiments, Rojek said.

TAP FOR SOUND
Investigators are piecing together information about the shooter who attempted to assassinate former President Donald Trump. Here’s what we know about the 20-year-old from Bethel Park, Pa., whom authorities named as the suspect. Photo: Anna Moneymaker/Getty; Bethel Park School District

“For that reason, they weren’t concerned that it was focused on committing an attack of this nature or harming other people,” Rojek said. “The parents have said in their interviews that they had no advanced knowledge of any of this,” he said, adding that Crooks’ parents have been credible and cooperative.

Several investigations are ongoing into how Crooks was able to open fire with an AR-15 rifle from the roof of a building roughly 400 feet away from where Trump spoke, killing one spectator, critically injuring two others and leaving the former president with a graze wound to the ear. A Secret Service sniper team shot back, killing him.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has interviewed more than 450 people, including dozens of Crooks’ co-workers, family members and former classmates. On Monday, Rojek said Trump had agreed to be interviewed as part of the shooting probe. An interview with a crime victim is a normal part of any FBI investigation, but long-simmering tensions between Trump and the bureau have escalated since the shooting, raising doubts about whether the former president would submit to questioning. Trump was hit by a bullet or a bullet fragment, the bureau confirmed last week, after Trump grew upset with Director Christopher Wray’s circumspect responses to questions about how he was hurt.

“We want to get his perspective on what he observed, just like any other witness to the crime,” Rojek said. “It is a standard victim interview like we would do for any other victim of crime.”

In studying Crooks, the FBI has been able to piece together a picture of a highly intelligent loner who attended college and held down steady work at a nursing home and whose primary social circle was limited to his immediate family. But his motive remains murky.

The FBI has requested information from 86 companies as it examines online accounts associated with Crooks, but he appears to have had few interactions with others, even virtually, officials said.

Crooks’ interest in shooting began as a hobby and progressed to formal firearms training courses.

He registered to attend Trump’s rally in Butler, Pa., on July 6, three days after the former president’s campaign announced the event. The same day, he searched online for details about the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, querying, “How far away was Oswald from Kennedy?”

Crooks went to the rally site the next day and spent about 20 minutes in the area, including around the American Glass Research building, to conduct what law-enforcement officials believe was early surveillance. On the day of the shooting, he gained access to his rooftop firing position by scaling HVAC equipment and a pipe.

In Crooks’ car parked near the rally site, investigators found two “relatively crude” homemade bombs designed to be set off by remote control.

“These devices consist of ammunition boxes filled with explosive material, with wires, receivers and ignition devices connected to them,” Rojek said. Investigators found a transmitter on the gunman’s body. The bombs were capable of exploding, but the receivers were in the off position, Rojek said.

Write to Sadie Gurman at sadie.gurman@wsj.com and C. Ryan Barber at ryan.barber@wsj.com

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #113 on: July 30, 2024, 11:23:37 AM »
Only 25? Were they to look at my purchase history (assuming they haven’t already) the list would be a lot longer than a (totally legal and legit) 25 firearm related purchasing.

Don’t know what a “bomb making” purchase looks like, but I bet they err on the side of hyperventilation, much like how they report the “street value” of, say, a marijuana bust buy figuring out how many joints a give quantity of reefer would roll out to, then multiplying by the street price for a joint sold at a rave or whatever, and coming up with a factor at least ten times higher than most anyone actually pays for the stuff.

Which is a long winded way of saying I hope at some point to see a primary source for this reporting in the hope of assessing it for myself.


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Video of Someone Moving on Roof 3 Minutes Prior to Shooting
« Reply #115 on: July 31, 2024, 01:46:36 PM »

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TRUMP SHOT-- J6 nexus
« Reply #116 on: July 31, 2024, 06:36:46 PM »



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SS & FBI Untrustworthy While More Data Suggests Two Shooters
« Reply #120 on: August 06, 2024, 02:57:09 PM »
This echos my thoughts upon hearing the different shot cadences, and additionally notes film of a potential muzzle flash from the window of the building Crooks was atop of:

Case Strengthens for a Second Shooter in Butler, PA

STEPHEN BRYEN
AUG 06, 2024
​It is increasingly unlikely that there will be an honest investigation of the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania.  So far, no one has been fired or disciplined in any way.  Infighting between the Secret Service and the Butler police continues.

But the real story is that the evidence from witnesses, including audio and video, supports the possibility of a second shooter.

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The Secret Service cannot conduct an objective investigation.  That is abundantly clear from the testimony of the former Secret Service director, Kimberly A. Cheatle, and her "Acting" replacement, Ronald L. Rowe, Jr..  Both were willing to admit that mistakes were made, but both also try to convince the public that they got the shooter and we can all rest easy.

Adding the FBI into the mix also won't work because the FBI is extremely anti-Trump and spends their time at the behest of their Justice Department overseers trying to incarcerate Trump for phantom crimes.  The raid on Mar-a-Lago, is a great example of how FBI thuggery was used against the former President. 

The FBI lives in fear Trump will win the presidential election and clean house in the agency. 

The Justice Department also has set up a team of investigators, but anything from the DOJ is not credible and should be dismissed out of hand.

There is a growing sense that Trump was set up at Butler. It is hard to believe that the Secret Service simply made "mistakes."  There are whistleblower reports, still to be run down and confirmed, that Secret Service agents were told to stand down and not take action against a threat that was known hours before the shooting happened.


Trump reaches for his ear when hit
The audio evidence and the location of victims also raises serious issues.

The audio records nine shots, eight that seems to originate in the same location and one shot that is the Secret Service sniper that killed the shooter, Thomas Crooks.

The first eight shots consist of three shots coming fairly slow and then a slight pause and the remaining five shots more rapidly.

Based on the audio and video evidence it is clear that it was the first shot that nearly killed Mr. Trump.  It may be that the next two shots were part of the series aimed at Trump.  We are missing information on where those shots ended up, but maybe they hit low down as Trump got down after his ear was hit.  The remaining burst of five shots could have been the ones that killed Corey Comperatore and wounded David Dutch, 57, of New Kensington, Pennsylvania, and James Copenhaver, 74, of Moon Township, Pennsylvania, They were seated in the stands to Mr. Trump's right.


Victims including Corey Comperatore
We do not have a comprehensive track on the two shooting sequences, but it is clear that Mr. Comperatore's death and the wounding of Dutch and Copenhaver came after Trump was hit.  In fact, Copenhaver was hit twice.  It is noteworthy that Mr. Comperatore was trying to protect his family, so he was hit after he heard the first couple of shots.

Some important questions can be asked, assuming the above is correct.  The first and most important is if the shooter hit Mr. Trump on the first shot (or possible one of the first three), why did he keep shooting?  Added to this is the fact that the first shot or shots were extremely accurate, and the subsequent five shots (if they were aimed at Trump on the podium) were inaccurate, bizarrely so.  These subsequent shots came no where near Trump and killed and wounded innocent bystanders.

A related question is why would the shooter, having hit his mark, go on to fire again, not hitting the alleged prime target?

Logic would say that once the shooter hit Trump, he would have skedaddled away in order not to expose himself to counter-fire.  He could easily see the Secret Service snipers on the rooftops opposite him. Would he not have tried to extricate himself instead of shooting at non-essential targets?  (He was earlier seen scooting across the roof, why would he not have done so after he hit his target?)

The shooter would not know if he actually killed Mr. Trump.  He would have known that he hit the target, based on Trump's hand going to his ear and his action to immediately hit the deck.  The shooter would not know if Trump was alive or dead, but he also would not have any immediate way to find out.

An alternative theory is that there were two shooters.  The first shooter accurately targeted Mr. Trump.  As is well known, Trump was only spared because he turned his head exactly at the moment the shooter fired. The second shooter, in this theory, would have been Thomas Crook.  He shot wildly because he was a poor gunman and was not the "real" assassin.

There has been a lot of speculation about the possibility of a second shooter.  There also is confusion on the presence of 8 shell casings on the roof near the deceased shooter Thomas Crooks.  We don't have reliable information to back up the Secret Service claim that they found 8 shell casings.  A video of shows that officers initially found five shell casings on the roof near the dead shooter. 


An officer in uniform counts five shell casings on the roof
We now have a fragmentary video that appears to show gun flashes coming from a window in the same building as the shooter, who was on the rooftop.  The source of the video is not stated, but it seems genuine.  This obviously needs follow up and should be taken very seriously.


Screen capture of one of the “gun flashes” from a window below the shooter on the roof
There is now enough video evidence and testimony that supports a second shooter or, alternatively, leaves significant confusion about Thomas Crook's behavior.

Congress should hire a team of top forensic investigators and not accept anything they are being told at face value.

https://weapons.substack.com/p/case-strengthens-for-a-second-shooter?r=1qo1e&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

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A Good Point
« Reply #121 on: August 08, 2024, 10:28:23 AM »
Bongino points out how well behaved the crowd was post-shooting. No trampling, no panic, assisting the injured, making way for the rescuers. Think a "Progressive" crowd would behave in the same way, or would it be all assholes and elbows as they beat feet to escape? These are what real Americans look like:

https://x.com/thevivafrei/status/1821395762271379810

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Re: TRUMP SHOT!!!
« Reply #122 on: August 09, 2024, 06:21:23 AM »
Awful coincidences for sure.

As an aside I am surprised James Baker is still alive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baker

He was like Reagan previously a Democrat I read.
He was a no nonsense SoS but I am not sure he was as friendly to Israel.
I don't remember if it was him or Schultz who had a bit of an annoyed attitude to Jews and Israel.
I think it was him.

Otherwise, he seemed like a no nonsense Mike Pompeo SoS which is what we need.




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Quelle surprise , , ,
« Reply #126 on: September 14, 2024, 09:35:03 AM »

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WT: Trained snipers warn Trump should not go back to Butler
« Reply #128 on: September 27, 2024, 06:03:57 AM »



The Butler Farm Show was dangerous, and the Secret Service should have dissuaded the Trump campaign from holding a rally there, trained snipers said. ASSOCIATED PRESS



Trained snipers warn Trump against tempting fate with new rally in Butler



Two members of Congress who were trained snipers in previous careers said former President Donald Trump should not hold a second rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because of the myriad security concerns with the site.

Mr. Trump was nearly assassinated on July 13 at a campaign rally at the Butler Farm Show grounds. A gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, climbed onto the roof of a nearby building and fired at the former president, grazing his ear. Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, is set to go back to the site for a rally on Oct. 5.

“This was a horrible venue for a rally, and Secret Service should have done everything possible to dissuade the campaign from hosting it there,” said Rep. Elijah Crane, Arizona Republican, citing “alarming threat profiles” from multiple buildings that overlook the farm show grounds and other access areas surrounding the site.

“Though I appreciate the former president’s courage and strong desire to rally his supporters, I strongly suggest that he and his campaign avoid this site on Oct. 5 and in the future,” Mr. Crane said in testimony before a House task force investigating the July 13 assassination attempt.

Mr. Crane received military sniper



Rep. Cory Mills (left) and Rep. Elijah Crane told a House task force hearing Thursday that former President Donald Trump has been lucky that his two attempted assassinations were not from trained professionals.



training as a Navy SEAL. He and Rep. Cory Mills, a Florida Republican who worked as a countersniper for a State Department contractor, visited the rally site after the attack on Mr. Trump to conduct a security assessment and identify vulnerabilities that led to the assassination attempt.

The two sniper-trained lawmakers testified at a House task force hearing Thursday.

Although Mr. Mills did not say so directly during the hearing, he told The Washington Times afterward that he concurred with Mr. Crane’s assessment that Mr. Trump should not go back to the Butler Farm Show grounds, although he admired his courage for wanting to do so.

Mr. Crane said during the hearing that Mr. Trump has been “extremely lucky” that the two assassination attempts against him — the July 13 shooting in Butler and a gunman perching at his Florida golf club on Sept. 15 — did not come from trained professionals.

He said he could tell from the weaponry they used and that Crooks tried to shoot Mr. Trump in the head.

“I can tell you from experience that most snipers are trained to take center-mass, torso shots if possible for the very exact reason that we saw him miss a headshot on July 13,” Mr. Crane said.

He questioned what would happen if Iran — which U.S. intelligence officials have said wants to assassinate Mr. Trump — or any other bad actor sent professionals.

“I think we can all see by now that their likelihood of success would be tremendous,” Mr. Crane said.

He and Mr. Mills suggested that Mr. Trump hire private security to supplement Secret Service protection.

Other witnesses at the hearing included three local law enforcement officials who worked the July 13 rally, a former Secret Service agent and the Allegheny County medical examiner who performed the autopsy of the would-be assassin.

Although the rally was held at the Butler Farm Show grounds, much of the testimony focused on the adjacent AGR International complex outside the Secret Service’s security perimeter for the event.

It was there, on the roof of a large building of interconnected warehouses, where Crooks fired eight rounds toward the stage. One of his bullets grazed Mr. Trump in the ear, and others hit rallygoers, one of whom was killed and two of whom were severely injured.

Edward Lenz, commander of the Butler County Emergency Services unit involved in the advanced security planning, said at no point did the Secret Service ask his unit to cover the AGR building.

The Secret Service did ask his unit to provide some sniper teams but didn’t give guidance on what areas to cover, he said.

“It was our decision to place those snipers on the second floor of the AGR building,” Mr. Lenz said. “They were aware of that.”

Countersnipers from Butler and Beaver counties posted on the second floor of the AGR building and, through a window, oversaw the stage and venue where most people gathered, Mr. Lenz said.

“They knew where we would be, what our plan was,” he said of the Secret Service, noting that the agency didn’t provide any feedback.

“There were additional things that probably needed to be covered, but they never asked us to do that,” Mr. Lenz said.

Drew Blasko, a patrol officer for the Butler Township Police Department, testified that he told the Secret Service that local police didn’t have the manpower to cover the AGR building.

The Secret Service responded that “they would take care of it,” he said.

The Secret Service provided four countersnipers to help cover the event, all positioned on barns on the farm show grounds behind the stage. One of those two-member sniper teams was assigned to provide an overwatch of the AGR complex, but their view was partially obstructed by trees.

Mr. Crane said he was dismayed that the Secret Service did not place any countersnipers on a water tower overlooking the AGR complex and the rally.

“That’s exactly where I would have placed myself as a countersniper because of its commanding view over the entire property,” he said. “Not only would any counter sniper have been able to easily engage Thomas Crooks from that position … but it is very likely that Thomas Crooks might have decided to abort his mission and go home had we had countersnipers on that water tower.”

Mr. Crane and Mr. Mills said other buildings within close range of the stage where Trump was speaking were left uncovered.

Mr. Mills said they talked with the owner of Kubota farm equipment dealership 400 yards away — a “very feasible shot” distance — who said no one from the Secret Service or local law enforcement ever spoke with them. That location could have been used as an overwatch position, he said.

It wasn’t just the buildings that presented vulnerabilities. Mr. Mills said the AGR complex being left outside of the security perimeter meant that anyone could have approached the fence line without being screened and taken a shot about 100 yards from the stage.

Rep. Mike Kelly, the task force’s chairman and a Pennsylvania Republican who lives in and represents Butler, said he has been assured that the AGR complex will be blocked off for Mr. Trump’s Oct. 5 rally.

Mr. Mills and Mr. Crane are conducting an independent investigation of the July 13 assassination attempt but pledged to continue to coordinate with the task force.

Thursday’s hearing focused on local law enforcement’s role. Mr. Kelly and Rep. Jason Crow of Colorado, the top Democrat on the task force, said the next phase of their investigation will home in on the Secret Service.

The task force also will investigate the second assassination attempt in Florida. They had planned to visit Mr. Trump’s golf course on Friday but will reschedule because of the hurricane forecast to hit the state

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