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Crafty_Dog

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Birthright Citizenship
« on: November 27, 2024, 07:32:38 AM »
I forget in which thread we have discussed this previously, but with President Trump promising to act on this, it seems like a suitable moment to give it its own thread.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-could-prompt-supreme-court-ruling-birthright-citizenship

Senator Cruz is in accord with President Trump on this.

IIRC, phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" referred, in part or in whole, to Native Americans.

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Trump Could Prompt Supreme Court Ruling on Birthright Citizenship
The justices would likely revisit a precedent from the 19th century.
The U.S. Supreme Court in Washington on July 1, 2024. Drew Angerer/AFP via Getty Images
By Sam Dorman
November 24, 2024

Among President-elect Donald Trump’s plans for immigration is a move to end a longstanding practice of granting something known as “birthright citizenship” to children who are born in the United States of noncitizen parents, including those here illegally.

Last year, he vowed to sign an executive order directing agencies to abandon that practice, if reelected.
How exactly Trump will change policies within agencies is unclear, but experts indicate he has options.

Regardless, revoking birthright citizenship could impact waves of new illegal immigrants and change the incentives for so-called birth tourism, wherein an expectant mother arrives in the United States just before giving birth.

During his first term, Trump attempted to combat the phenomenon through a policy targeting the country’s temporary visa program.
However Trump chooses to end birthright citizenship will likely provoke a legal battle of constitutional proportions and may cause a related case to reach the Supreme Court, as Trump predicted during his first term.
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The concept of birthright citizenship stems from the 14th Amendment, which states in part, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

Lora Ries, who serves as director of the Border Security and Immigration Center at the Heritage Foundation, told The Epoch Times that Trump could start by directing the State Department and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to interpret the 14th Amendment in a particular way.

“I don’t believe that a statute is necessary” or that a “constitutional amendment is necessary,” said Ries, who also served as the deputy chief of staff for DHS during Trump’s first administration.

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Illegal immigrants, including a pregnant Haitian woman seeking to give birth in the United States, are apprehended by a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Yuma, Ariz., on Dec. 7, 2021. John Moore/Getty Images
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has introduced legislation that would end birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants.

Immigration Reform Law Institute director of litigation Chris Hajec indicated, however, that a Supreme Court decision will be necessary to effect long-term change.

“A law from Congress wouldn’t be enough,” he told The Epoch Times, noting that Trump’s executive policies and any act of Congress would likely end in the courts.

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It’s unclear how many individuals will seek validation of birthright citizenship in the future but the Pew Research Center estimated in 2016 that about 4 million children in the United States had illegal immigrant parents.
The Federation for American Immigration Reform, which seeks to “reduce the negative impact of uncontrolled immigration,” stated last year that taxpayers annually spend “approximately $182 billion to cover the costs incurred from the presence of more than 15.5 million illegal aliens and about 5.4 million citizen children of illegal aliens.”
While Hajec expects a Supreme Court decision on the issue, he doubts the court would somehow retroactively revoke birthright citizenship for individuals who already have it.

“I think the court would just say whether this prospective, forward-looking regulation of the Trump administration was lawful,” he said.

The court could allow Trump’s birthright citizenship policy by dismissing a challenge that arises from a lower court’s approval of it.

It could also agree to take up the lower court’s decision, likely prompting a reexamination of a longstanding precedent from the 19th century.
Supreme Court Precedent
In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, a majority of the court held that the 14th Amendment granted birthright citizenship to a Chinese man whose parents were legally present in the United States.
Some have questioned whether the reasoning in that decision applies to children of the illegal immigrants who have crossed the southern border.

“The court only held that a child born of lawful, permanent residents was a U.S. citizen,” former Federal Election Commission member Hans von Spakovsky said in 2018.

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A draft of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution in 1866. The concept of birthright citizenship stems from the 14th Amendment. MPI/Getty Images
“That is a far cry from saying that a child born of individuals who are here illegally must be considered a U.S. citizen.”

Many other groups disagreed, including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which has vowed to combat Trump’s agenda.

The organization said earlier this year, “Theories that attempt to carve children out of this guarantee [of citizenship] based on the immigration status of their parents are legally wrong, morally repugnant, and dangerous attacks on a core civil right.”
The finer points of interpreting that decision could be determined by whoever is sitting on the Supreme Court when Trump’s policy lands there.


With the prospect of Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas retiring, speculation has emerged that Trump might replace either or both of them with one of the lower federal court judges he appointed in his first term.

One of those is Judge James Ho, a former Thomas clerk who serves on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.

In an article from 2006, Ho said that a constitutional amendment is the only way to restrict birthright citizenship and argued that the 14th Amendment’s phrasing applies to illegal immigrants, who are subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
“When we speak of a person who is subject to our jurisdiction, we do not limit ourselves to only those who have sworn allegiance to the United States,” he wrote.

Citing criminals as an example, he said that “being ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States” was not “limited to those who have always complied with U.S. law.”
‘War or Invasion’
Trump could receive sympathy from a judge such as Ho and prompt more complicated legal arguments if he decides to tailor his policy to a particular situation.
Although Ho has generally supported birthright citizenship, an interview published in The Volokh Conspiracy on Nov. 11 indicated that he saw the recent wave of illegal immigrants as part of an invasion that fell outside the bounds of the 14th Amendment.
Ho told South Texas College of Law Professor Josh Blackman that “birthright citizenship obviously doesn’t apply in case of war or invasion.”

Trump has described the situation at the southern border as an “invasion” and suggested via his Truth Social platform that he would use military assets to address it.

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Republican presidential candidate former President Donald Trump displays a chart while speaking about illegal immigration, at the 2024 Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, on July 18, 2024. Jim Watson/AFP via Getty Images
On Nov. 18, he posted “True!!” in response to Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton stating, “Reports are the incoming @RealDonaldTrump administration prepared to declare a national emergency and will use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion through a mass deportation program.”
Earlier this year, Ho penned a concurring opinion in which he defended the idea that Texas could erect its own barrier to curb illegal immigration as part of its constitutional right to defend against an invasion.
In doing so, he compared Texas to presidents defending the United States as a whole and indicated that courts couldn’t review whether presidents had improperly designated something an invasion under Article IV of the Constitution.

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Section 4 of Article IV states, “The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a Republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion.”

Declaring an invasion would seem to align with an NPR poll from 2022 when a majority of Americans said there was an “invasion” at the southern border.
In July, George Mason University law professor Ilya Somin criticized Ho’s interpretation in an article on The Volokh Conspiracy.
Somin acknowledged that while “actions by non-governmental groups can qualify as ‘invasion’... it does not follow that illegal migration, drug smuggling, or other ordinary criminal activity qualify.”

Perhaps previewing future legal battles, Ho’s concurrence compared the situation at the southern border to the threat of terrorism after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

In his interview with Blackman, Ho compared the issue to the debate over unlawful combatants after 9/11, noting that birthright citizenship didn’t apply to those combatants.

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Migrants, who are heading toward the United States, walk along the highway in Huixtla, Mexico, on Nov. 7, 2024. Moises Castillo/AP Photo
A similar issue arose during Trump’s first term when he attempted to prevent terrorism by barring entry from certain nations that were known terror hot spots.

The ACLU argued, among other things, that his so-called “travel ban” targeted Muslims and therefore violated the First Amendment.

Trump ultimately won at the Supreme Court, which held in Trump v. Hawaii that he acted within the bounds of his authority under a law that allows presidents to designate certain aliens as inadmissible.
It’s unclear how the current court would rule on Trump using national security as a basis for attempting to exclude certain classes of individuals from birthright citizenship.
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Re: Birthright Citizenship
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2024, 07:37:15 AM »
Would not this require a 60 or 67 Senate vote to amend the Constitution?


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Re: Birthright Citizenship
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2024, 07:44:04 AM »
Well, that is the question!

IMHO a good case can be made that birthright citizenship does not apply to children of illegals.  See e.g.

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/33056/what-is-the-meaning-of-and-subject-to-the-jurisdiction-thereof-in-the-14th-ame

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Malone: Birthright Citizenship will be overturned
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2024, 05:44:04 AM »
https://www.malone.news/p/birthright-citizenship-will-be-overturned?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=583200&post_id=152915414&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=z2120&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Birthright Citizenship Will be Overturned
President Trump, Congress, and the Supreme Court will finally end this outrageous precedent.

Robert W Malone MD, MS
Dec 10, 2024


President Trump will sign an executive order to end birthright citizenship for the children of illegal aliens who are born in the USA at the end of January 2025.

Legacy media is furious, and multiple MSM articles make the case that “legal scholars” and “respected attorneys” believe that this would violate the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution. Headlines, such as the ones below dominate the MSM circuit:




But what does the Fourteenth Amendment really mean, and could President Trump’s executive order withstand court challenge?

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”

-Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution

Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, also known as the Citizenship Clause, was ratified by Congress on July 9, 1868, and was meant to extend citizenship to freed slaves and their children.

Whether or not the 14th Amendment applied to people who were not citizens was challenged in Federal district courts and the Supreme Court ruled in 1898 in a case known as “United States v. Wong Kim Ark.” This was the landmark Supreme Court ruling that determined that a child, in this case, Wong Kim Ark, born in the United States to parents who were ineligible for naturalization (due to a long-defunct law that barred Chinese immigrants from becoming naturalized citizens), was still a U.S. citizen entitled to all rights and privileges of citizenship under the 14th Amendment. This established a precedent for birthright citizenship for all children born on US soil. The Supreme Court has not revisited this ruling, so the precedent of the Wong Kim Ark stands to this day. It all seems straightforward enough. Right? Wrong…

The fourteenth amendment clearly states that persons born in the United States must be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

The question is, what does that phrase mean?

Unfortunately, many modern day legal scholars have defined that term based on Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment, explicitly referring to “The United States v. Wong Kim Ark.” So, it is hard to get an unbiased definition.

But the truth is that the United States v. Wong Kim Ark case is very different from what has happened today. That is, the masses of illegal aliens using this legal precedent to cross the border for the purpose of having “anchor babies.” An "anchor baby" is a child born in the United States to non-citizen parents, automatically gaining U.S. citizenship due to birthright citizenship laws. These babies then often provide the legal anchor for the guardians of this child to apply to stay in the United States and also collect entitlements for the child. As aside, the weaponization of words has made the term “anchor baby” a pejorative. Yet, it is a very accurate description of what is happening all across America.

My opinion is that President Trump’s executive order will target those children who are born to illegal aliens, as he has said in multiple interviews.

It's important to note that while Wong Kim Ark's parents were legally residing in the United States, they were not eligible for U.S. citizenship due to the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

Section 1 of the 14th amendment was never meant to apply to the children of people in this country illegally.


An excellent article on the 14th amendment was written in 2018, by Hans A. von Spakovsky, legal scholar at the Heritage Foundation. In that article, he explains:

Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike.

But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual.

The fact that a tourist or illegal alien is subject to our laws and our courts if they violate our laws does not place them within the political “jurisdiction” of the United States as that phrase was defined by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens.

Sen. Lyman Trumbull, a key figure in the adoption of the 14th Amendment, said that “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. included not owing allegiance to any other country.

As John Eastman, former dean of the Chapman School of Law, has said, many do not seem to understand “the distinction between partial, territorial jurisdiction, which subjects all who are present within the territory of a sovereign to the jurisdiction of that sovereign’s laws, and complete political jurisdiction, which requires allegiance to the sovereign as well.”

In the famous Slaughter-House cases of 1872, the Supreme Court stated that this qualifying phrase was intended to exclude “children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.” This was confirmed in 1884 in another case, Elk vs. Wilkins, when citizenship was denied to an American Indian because he “owed immediate allegiance to” his tribe and not the United States.

American Indians and their children did not become citizens until Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. There would have been no need to pass such legislation if the 14th Amendment extended citizenship to every person born in America, no matter what the circumstances of their birth, and no matter who their parents are.

Even in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, the 1898 case most often cited by “birthright” supporters due to its overbroad language, the court only held that a child born of lawful, permanent residents was a U.S. citizen. That is a far cry from saying that a child born of individuals who are here illegally must be considered a U.S. citizen.

Of course, the judges in that case were strongly influenced by the fact that there were discriminatory laws in place at that time that restricted Chinese immigration, a situation that does not exist today.

How this could all play out in the coming months and years:
Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) and other Republican legal scholars argue that “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” should exclude the children from illegal aliens from the protections.

This could be accomplished simply by applying Section 5 of the 14th Amendment. Section 5 states that: "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

Hence, by a simple majority, Congress can clarify the Section 1 clause of the 14th Amendment.

In the meantime, we can expect that President Trump’s executive order will rely on legal scholars to distill what the 1868 Congress meant when they passed the 14th Amendment.

This will then be followed by Congressional action to clarify further and enforce the full provisions of section 1 of the 14th Amendment.

Of course, it will be challenged in the court of law, with the Supreme Court making the final determination.

The final result will most likely be a scaling back of the 14th Amendment to its original intent. It won’t happen as quickly as one might hope, but it will happen. This will alter the fabric of the United States for future generations and is critically important to maintaining the fabric and nature of American society.

Legal immigration will not stop, nor does anyone want it to. But the United States can not allow unfettered and illegal immigration. The vast majority of Americans agree on this point.

These controls start with both the closing of the border and the loophole developed by the Supreme Court ruling of 1898, which is known as “United States v. Wong Kim Ark”. President Trump is right - birthright citizenship will end because the legal precedent used to maintain this status quo is defunct. It is just a matter of time and will. President Trump has the will and four more years - so let’s get it done!