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Re: Greenland
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2024, 09:11:12 PM »
Robert O'Brien:

"Denmark's a wonderful place. Copenhagen's a wonderful city. But they have got to do their part. They can't have this vast empire and then not defend it and leave it to the U.S. to do it. So we're going to either buy it, they're going to defend it, or they can pay us to defend it," he said. "Or if they don't want to do either of those things, they can let us buy Greenland from, and Greenland can become part of Alaska. I mean, the native people in Greenland are very closely related to the people of Alaska, and we will make it a part of Alaska."

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Re: Greenland
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2024, 08:06:21 AM »
Pithily stated.

I would add that Denmark is a part of NATO.   I wonder what % of GDP they are spending on military?

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Greenland US and China
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2024, 09:09:19 AM »
Truman offered to buy Greenland in '46

This site has some cool stuff about Greenland and Iceland and Chinese attempt at penetration there as well:

https://www.clingendael.org/pub/2020/presence-before-power/4-greenland-what-is-china-doing-there-and-why/


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Re: Greenland
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2024, 10:32:29 AM »
Pithily stated.

I would add that Denmark is a part of NATO.   I wonder what % of GDP they are spending on military?

My understanding was less than 2%. This list says 2%. Most certainly they have fallen below that over the years and are in violation. 2% of Denmark GDP is not going to defend Greenland. If China is already sinking its hooks into it, the US purchase or US control is a must.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
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Re: Greenland
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2024, 10:46:38 AM »
I do recall Denmark for a long time was the ONLY European country that paid us back for WW 2 debt.


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WSJ: Denmark may regret not selling Greenland to Trump
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2025, 06:21:59 AM »


Denmark May Regret Not Selling Greenland to Trump
How long will the Danes even own it?
James Freeman
Jan. 3, 2025 8:41 pm ET
WSJ


Danish politicians may be struggling to understand the art of the deal. Yes, real estate is about location, location and location. But for any kind of negotiation, timing is important too. Voters in Denmark may soon be asking why political leaders didn’t cut a deal with President Donald Trump when they had the chance during his first term. That’s when Mr. Trump broached the idea of the United States purchasing Greenland, a Danish territory and former colony. Mr. Trump recently raised the issue again as he prepares for his second term.

Now the Danes could end up getting bupkis for the chilly islands—no check from Uncle Sam and no control over Greenland. Reuters reports from Copenhagen:

Greenland’s Prime Minister Mute Egede emphasised his desire to pursue independence from Denmark, its former colonial ruler, during his New Year speech, marking a significant change in the rhetoric surrounding the Arctic island’s future.
Egede’s speech, which comes on the heels of comments by U.S. President-elect Donald Trump expressing his wish for “ownership and control” of Greenland, also expressed a desire to strengthen Greenland’s cooperation with other countries.
“It is about time that we ourselves take a step and shape our future, also with regard to who we will cooperate closely with, and who our trading partners will be,” he said…
“It is now time for our country to take the next step. Like other countries in the world, we must work to remove the obstacles to cooperation – which we can describe as the shackles of colonialism – and move forward,” he said.
This doesn’t mean that Mr. Egede welcomes a U.S. acquisition. Kathryn Armstrong reported for the BBC after the most recent Trump declaration of interest last month:

Greenland has once again said it is not for sale after US President-elect Donald Trump said he wanted to take control of the territory.
“Greenland belongs to the people of Greenland,” its prime minister said on Monday, a day after Trump repeated comments about the Arctic island that he first made several years ago.
But if Greenland is rapidly moving toward a split with Denmark, it will likely be seeking a partner to offer security, as well as new commercial opportunities. The BBC report quoted Mr. Egede:

“We must not lose our long struggle for freedom. However, we must continue to be open to co-operation and trade with the whole world, especially with our neighbours,” he said.
As for Mr. Egede’s new call for independence, Ashleigh Fields reports for the Hill:

His New Year’s Day speech emphasized the autonomous territory’s developments, highlighting its opening of an international airport as a global pathway to change.
“In the coming summer, it will now be possible to reach us directly from other countries, without first traveling via Denmark, it will therefore be possible for us to develop and govern our country more independently,” he added.
He declared that new airports in Ilulissat and Qaqortoq were the next step in a process for an “improved” and “flexible” infrastructure that could bolster tourism and trade.
Denmark may be in for a bad case of non-seller’s remorse. Sure, “fly me to Ilulissat” is not something you hear every day. But with travel options expanding the sky’s the limit. And recent history suggests Greenland may be in for a Trump bump.

Alyssa Newcomb reported for NBC in 2019:

As far as vacation destinations go, Greenland probably hasn’t been at the top of people’s lists — but new evidence shows that may be changing.
The world’s largest island was thrust into the spotlight last week after President Donald Trump said he would be interested in buying the country, which is an autonomous Danish territory. Denmark’s Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said the idea of buying another country in 2019 is “absurd.” That prompted Trump to cancel his state visit to Denmark on Sept. 2.
Greenland’s tourism board has used the attention to remind Americans that the country is open for business and eager to host tourists. Travel websites are already noticing an increase in searches from people figuring out what it would cost to visit Greenland.
Hayley Berg, an economist at travel booking website Hopper, told NBC News that there has been a 337 percent spike in interest coming from the United States ever since Greenland started making headlines last week.
If travel expands, Americans may soon be cherishing memories of exotic getaways and saying, “We’ll always have Qaqortoq.”

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James Freeman is the co-author of “The Cost: Trump, China and American Revival” and also the co-author of “Borrowed Time: Two Centuries of Booms, Busts and Bailouts at Citi.”

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2025, 10:58:25 AM »
could be here :

"come see" aurora borealis ----

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuuk

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Greenland PM wants independence from Denmark
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2025, 11:17:14 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/03/greenlands-leader-wants-independence-from-denmark/

Population of 50K +  not enough to counter the tide of illegal Democrat recruits.

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Re: Greenland PM wants independence from Denmark
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2025, 07:00:32 PM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/03/greenlands-leader-wants-independence-from-denmark/

Population of 50K +  not enough to counter the tide of illegal Democrat recruits.

It's pretty hard to imagine Greenland paying for it's own defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Greenland

A pretty reasonable purchase price could eliminate taxes for them for generations.  The Denmark thing seems like the last vestige of European colonialism.  Combining them with Alaska seems a little distant, although Elon could throw in broadband to bridge the gap.

If they become American, they will of course want mass transit and EV charger entitlements.

I wonder if they fear China as much as we do or should...

https://www.politico.eu/article/china-arctic-greenland-united-states/


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Re: Greenland
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2025, 05:36:27 PM »
Interesting.

Too bad Bolton has burned bridges to a crisp.

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Re: Greenland
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2025, 08:31:12 PM »
He is so anti-Trump it is hard to learn anything from him.

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Greenland is part of Europe, argues France
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2025, 06:39:16 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/01/08/greenland-belongs-to-the-eu-and-will-resist-attack-france-warns-trump/

Is India part of Britain? Is South Africa part of Netherlands?

Who provides the security for Greenland, Denmark?

Europe doesn't even provide the security for Europe.

France, without US support, would by now be called West Germany.

But they're ready to fight us now...

Now that Europe declares itself a hostile power, doesn't the Monroe Doctrine apply?

Hey France, your threat is from the East.  Send troops to Donbas.

Note who got the conversation started. And he's only been in office zero days.

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Re: Greenland
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2025, 07:02:22 AM »
as I learned the hard way - the long stated truth - everyone has a price - even Denmark

if EU was so worried about Greenland why the heck have they not invested there.

anyone see DT jr.'s repeated report on his trip to Greenland on Newsmax and later Hannity last night.

he states the Danes will not let Greenland take advantage of their resources. 
and most Greenlanders would like to be under US and get developed.

interesting explorer, others too, who led expeditions to Greenland - a character out of hollywood casting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Freuchen


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WSJ: Republican Hipster on Greenland
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2025, 12:57:55 PM »
Notable & Quotable: ‘Republican Hipster’ on Greenland
‘Like so much real estate, Greenland’s value is its location: A lot of missile shots coming toward North America from Russia would fly right over it, or at least near it.’
Jan. 14, 2025 4:44 pm ET


After news broke that the president-elect was serious about negotiating to purchase the Danish-controlled island in the North Atlantic, one Republican hipster made sure everyone around him knew that he wanted to annex Greenland way before Trump made it mainstream.


John J. Miller writing in Canada’s National Post, May 16, 2001:


The United States should buy Greenland. It wouldn’t be the first time the United States acquired a big chunk of territory for a price. In 1867, it bought Alaska from Russia for US$7.2-million. Critics slammed the sale as “Seward’s Folly,” after Secretary of State William Seward, who negotiated the deal. But who would think twice about doing it again? . . .

It’s worth remembering that one of the biggest missed opportunities in U.S. history was the failure to buy Cuba from Spain in the 1850s. It might have happened, but for the objections of anti-slavery politicians, who feared Cuba’s admission to the Union as a slave state would have strengthened the South just before the Civil War. Yet it’s hard to believe the war would not have arrived anyway, or that its outcome would have changed. The real difference would have come later: Fidel Castro wouldn’t be the only remaining dictator in the Western Hemisphere. Instead, he’d be a Democratic senator drafting health care legislation with Ted Kennedy. . . .

Like so much real estate, Greenland’s value is its location: A lot of missile shots coming toward North America from Russia would fly right over it, or at least near it. The Pentagon understandably will want to chart their precise trajectories so its anti-ballistic missiles might blow them to pieces.

And if this global warming business turns out to be worse than expected, at least Americans will have somewhere to live.

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GPF: Danes to increase military arctic spending
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2025, 09:58:16 AM »


Defense spending. Denmark will invest 14.6 billion kroner ($2 billion) to boost its military capabilities in the Arctic, Danish Defense Minister Troels Lund Poulsen said, following U.S. President Donald Trump’s comments on acquiring Greenland. According to Poulsen, the money will be used to buy three new Arctic warships and two long-range drones.



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FO: Winning in Greenland
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2025, 03:47:55 PM »
(11) DENMARK TO ALLOW U.S. EXPANSION IN GREENLAND: Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen told European media yesterday that she was open to America expanding its military footprint in Greenland to secure the Arctic. Immediately following Frederiksen’s remarks, she attended an EU Council meeting where Polish President Donald Tusk said, "We have to do everything to avoid this totally unnecessary and stupid tariff war or trade war," to include improving defense spending and the European defense industry.