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Livelsberger and the Vegas explosion
« on: January 04, 2025, 05:08:20 AM »
Giving this its own thread:

For those coming to this thread down the road, please note the many entries in recent days in the Homeland thread about this matter.

Tim Kennedy and Livelsberger
https://x.com/i/web/status/1875365820970471505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5CAn-3XR2U

Thoughts on the desired endstate
https://x.com/K_CSG/status/1875351528355373139

What do we make of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xglaXVtQcis&list=PL4pqo9Uoh0WuUKxw0BmaK1yrg9Kd7E4lk&index=1
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2025, 07:27:27 AM »
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Green Beret in Tesla Explosion Suffered From PTSD, Authorities Say
Investigators recovered writings on Matthew Alan Livelsberger’s phone that aired concerns about the direction of the U.S.
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Las Vegas police used DNA to confirm that the body found in the Tesla Cybertruck after its explosion was Matthew Livelsberger, an active U.S. servicemember. Photo: Las Vegas Metropolitan Police (2)
Before blowing up a Tesla Cybertruck in Las Vegas, a decorated U.S. Army servicemember wrote, “This was not a terrorist attack, this was a wake up call,” in notes that aired political and personal grievances, law-enforcement officials said Friday.

Matthew Alan Livelsberger, a 37-year-old Army Green Beret who fatally shot himself inside the Tesla before it exploded, was likely suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, authorities said at a news briefing.

Though Livelsberger chose the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas as the location for the blast, investigators have found from interviews with friends, family members and military servicemembers that he “held no animosity” toward President-elect Donald Trump, said Spencer Evans, special agent in charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Las Vegas division.

“Although this incident is more public and more sensational than usual, it ultimately appears to be a tragic case of suicide involving a heavily decorated combat veteran who is struggling with PTSD and other issues,” Evans said.

An image of Matthew Alan Livelsberger is displayed during a news conference Thursday in Las Vegas.
An image of Matthew Alan Livelsberger is displayed during a news conference Thursday in Las Vegas. Photo: Ethan Miller/Getty Images
The explosion stirred national alarm, coming on New Year’s Day hours after a U.S. Army veteran drove a pickup truck flying an Islamic State flag into a New Orleans crowd, a terrorist attack that killed 14 people. Shamsud-Din Jabbar, 42, was shot dead in a firefight with New Orleans police. Investigators believe Jabbar acted alone.

President Biden is set to travel to New Orleans on Monday to meet with families of victims who were killed or injured in the attack.

On Friday, federal officials said Jabbar set fire to the short-term rental home where he was staying in New Orleans and strategically placed accelerants throughout the residence in an effort to destroy evidence. When New Orleans firefighters responded that morning, the fire was only smoldering, allowing for the recovery of evidence including precursors for bomb-making material and a device suspected of being a silencer for a rifle.

Law-enforcement officials have said they don’t believe there is any connection between the Tesla explosion and the attack in the tourist-heavy French Quarter in New Orleans. Authorities said Livelsberger, who was based in Germany and was in the U.S. for the holiday season, also acted alone. Several people were injured in the blast.

Investigators at the Friday briefing shared notes from a damaged cellphone recovered from the burned wreckage, in which Livelsberger raised alarm at the direction of the country and referenced his military service. He also addressed foreign conflicts and domestic issues, along with challenges in his personal life.

“Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives?” he wrote, in one excerpt provided by law enforcement.

“Why did I personally do it now? I needed to cleanse my mind of the brothers I’ve lost and relieve myself of the burden of the lives I took,” he wrote in another excerpt.

Livelsberger was a member of 10th Special Forces Group and had recently deployed in Europe, according to his service record. He served in Afghanistan, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Tajikistan. The Army said Livelsberger had earned a Bronze Star with valor. He had served for 19 years in either active duty, the National Guard or Army Reserve.

Law-enforcement officials said that, while Livelsberger’s body was burned beyond recognition in the explosion, they had been able to confirm he was the driver.


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Caught lying?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2025, 03:34:59 PM »

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Is this manifesto real and true information or conspiracy theories
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2025, 10:19:44 AM »
https://www.newsweek.com/matthew-livelsberger-alleged-manifesto-read-full-email-sent-retired-soldier-2009573

He claims the drones are Chinese probes with some sort of "anti gravitational" technology which I doubt is possible.

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Re: Livelsberger and the Vegas explosion
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2025, 05:30:22 PM »
Is the email from L?

The plausibility of the anti-gravitational tech assertion is a distinct point.   I would note that we have seen very plausible assertions of things well beyond the capabilities of known technologies.

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2025, 03:59:00 AM »
Green Beret who blew up truck at hotel took part in mental health program

No concerning behaviors were displayed

By Mike Glenn THE WASHINGTON TIMES

A decorated Green Beret who took his life on New Year’s Day and triggered an explosion in a Tesla Cybertruck in Las Vegas was involved in a counseling program designed for special operations troops involved in high-risk operations.

Army Master Sgt. Matthew Livelsberger, 37, signed up for the Preservation of the Force and Family program, a resiliency initiative established in 2010 by the U.S. Special Operations Command, Brig. Gen. Amanda Azubuike, chief of Army public affairs, said Saturday.

“He did not display any concerning behaviors at the time, and was granted personal leave,” Gen. Azubuike said. “All relevant records were provided to the FBI as the lead investigative agency.”

Law enforcement officials in Las Vegas said the evidence indicates that Sgt. Livelsberger, a veteran of multiple combat tours, had post-traumatic stress disorder when he pulled up to the Trump International Hotel on New Year’s Day and set off the explosives.

Investigators recovered a cellphone that offered clues as to a possible motive. Sgt. Livelsberger used a note-taking app to document his thoughts about political and personal grievances. Assistant Sheriff Dori Koren of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department read part of the journal aloud during a press conference.

“We are the United States of America, the best country [and] people to ever exist, but right now, we are terminally ill and headed towards collapse. This was not a terrorist attack. It was a wake-up call,” Sheriff Koren read. “Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives?”

The Green Beret wrote that the U.S. was led by “feckless” government officials concerned only with accumulating wealth and power.

Sgt. Livelsberger was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 10th Special Forces Group in Germany when he signed off on leave and returned to Colorado Springs, Colorado, where the rest of the unit is located. Authorities said he rented the Tesla Cybertruck in Denver.

He had served multiple combat tours and received several decorations, including the Bronze Star Medal for Valor, the Army Commendation Medal for Valor and the Meritorious Service Medal.

But one of the notes left on the cellphone indicates that Sgt. Livelsberger also was troubled by his combat experiences in Afghanistan.

“I need to cleanse my mind of the brothers I’ve lost and relieve myself of the burden of the lives I took,” he wrote.

FBI agents interviewed friends and family members, along with fellow soldiers he served with, for information about him. Sgt. Livelsberger held no animosity toward President-elect Donald Trump, although the truck detonated in front of his hotel in Las Vegas.

“He likely suffered from PTSD, and we are also aware that there were potentially other family issues or personal grievances in his own life that may have been contributing factors,” said Spencer Evans, special agent-in-charge of the Las Vegas FBI office.

The Veterans Administration said 10% to 18% of U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq are likely to have PTSD when they return home. They are also at risk for other mental health problems. Estimates of depression in returning troops range from as low as 3% to as high as 25%, VA officials said.

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Bruce Bawer: Who was/is Livelsberger?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2025, 11:50:03 AM »


Who Was (Is?) Matthew Livelsberger?
Shawn Ryan’s podcast raises questions about the man whose rented Tesla exploded in Las Vegas.
January 9, 2025 by Bruce Bawer


Because of the deadly act of vehicular jihad in New Orleans on New Year’s Eve, the New Year’s Day explosion of a rented Tesla outside of the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas received less media attention than it might otherwise have done. To be sure, there was a good deal of speculation that the two incidents might be connected, especially after it emerged that both the perpetrator in New Orleans and the man who had rented the Tesla, and whose purported remains were found inside of it, had connections to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, now called Fort Liberty. Both rented their vehicles from a company called Turo. The former, Samshud Din-Jabbar, was an Army veteran; the latter, Matthew Alan Livelsberger, was a Green Beret.

Din-Jabbar’s motive was obvious, at least to those who were willing to see what was plain before him. As he leapt out of his car and began shooting – he killed a total of 15 people – he shouted “Allahu akbar!” The reason for the explosion in Las Vegas is murkier. It seemed relevant that the hotel bears the name of Trump and that the car was manufactured by Elon Musk, who has become a close advisor to the president-elect. But what exactly was the point of this action? As noted, the dead body of a man was found in the car. He had been killed by a single bullet to the head. The body was identified as Livelsberger’s and the wound was described as self-inflicted. And authorities suggested that Livelsberger killed himself because he had been suffering from PTSD. But were these things true? Records showed that Livelsberger – who, according to his family, was a strong Trump supporter – had rented the car in Denver and then drove it to Las Vegas. One strange detail was that authorities, supposedly in order to identify the body in the car, compared its DNA to that of Livelsberger’s recently born son. Their DNA didn’t match – a fact that led to speculation that Livelsberger had committed suicide after discovering that his son, in fact, wasn’t really his. But did the lack of a DNA match mean, rather, that the body in the car wasn’t Livelsberger’s?

These and other questions were still up in the air when, on January 3, Shawn Ryan, a former Navy SEAL and CIA contractor who is now a popular and widely respected podcaster, aired an hour-long show on which his guest, Sam Shoemate, a retired Army intelligence officer with an Instagram account on which he has advocated for military veterans for the last four and a half years, discussed a message that he had allegedly received on January 30 from Livelsberger stating that “what I’m going to send you is going to change the course of humanity,” telling him that he (Livelsberger) was being watched by the FBI and/or Homeland Security, and asking to be put in touch with Ryan, Fox News, and/or Pete Hegseth. After Shoemate replied that he didn’t have the contact information for Ryan, Hegseth, or anyone at Fox News, Livelsberger sent him on New Year’s Eve a document that Shoemate described as a “manifesto.” It turned out that Livelsberger had in fact written to Ryan, but Ryan’s inbox was so full that he hadn’t noticed it.

In his e-mail to Shoemate, Livelsberger wrote that the mysterious drones that were seen recently over the U.S. were in fact “gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft” (sic) that China has been launching for years from submarines in the Atlantic as “a show of force.” Asked by Ryan what a “gravitic propulsion system” was, Shoemate said that it was a “fancy term that you will find in science fiction” but that didn’t appear, to his knowledge, in any scientific literature or technical manuals. According to Livelsberger, these Chinese aircraft represented “the most dangerous threat to national security that has ever existed,” since they “basically have an unlimited payload capacity” and could be parked “over the WH [White House]” if the Chinese wished to do so. “It’s checkmate.” Livelsberger went on to reveal that he had conducted targeting for U.S strikes in Nimruz province in Afghanistan in 2019 that had “killed hundreds of civilians in a single day” and that he had also participated in the cover-up that followed. He said that he wanted Shoemate to help bring media attention to the American and Chinese aircraft “so we avoid a world war because this is a mutually assured destruction situation.”

At first Shoemate didn’t take this e-mail very seriously. Then he woke up on New Year’s Day to the news that Livelsberger had apparently died in that Tesla explosion in Las Vegas. This development left him shaken – and when he calmed down a bit, he shared Livelsberger’s e-mail with the FBI (which later confirmed that it was indeed from Livelsberger) and managed to come up with a way to get Ryan’s attention. Hence his appearance on Ryan’s podcast, where the two men discussed Livelsberger’s e-mail. At first blush, Shoemate admitted, the document had seemed “crazy” to him, but – given Livelsberger’s background and in the wake of the car explosion in Las Vegas – it cried out to be given serious examination. During a break in his conversation with Shoemate, Ryan had one of his crew look at his inbox, which proved to contain an e-mail from Livelsberger dated December 29, identifying himself and stating that he wanted to “blow the whistle” on activities being carried out by the Army “in a certain place.” He offered to discuss the matter on Ryan’s show “before the 31st.” Ryan noted that Livelsberger’s reference to U.S. strikes in Nimruz in 2019 checked out. Apropos of the strikes, Shoemate said: “The ripple effect is going to be massive on this.”

And what about the explosion in Las Vegas – and the body in the car? Both Ryan and Shoemate were inclined to think that Livelsberger is still alive, and that the body in the car is that of someone else who was shot to death beforehand, placed in the Tesla, and then transported in the driverless car to the hotel’s porte-cochère, where the explosion was set off remotely. But why? What was Livelsberger up to? “Why Trump Hotel? Why Las Vegas?” asked Shoemate. Did he pick the Trump Hotel because he figured the explosion would get more attention if it happened there? Also, since he set the explosion in a Tesla – which he knew would largely contain the explosion – it was clear that he didn’t want to cause any damage or deaths. (Shoemate noted that Livelsberger had been described as a “stalwart patriot” and Trump fan; Ryan said that someone whose opinion he trusted had called Livelsberger an “upstanding soldier.”) Nor did he want to kill himself. What he wanted, quite clearly, was to get the message out about the high-tech U.S. and Chinese aircraft. Ryan and Shoemate agreed that there didn’t seem to be any connection between this event and the vehicular attack in New Orleans; but they also agreed that, given the newly developed military capabilities of China, Iran, and other players, and the failure of the U.S. government to take these threats seriously, there is a terrifyingly high likelihood of major terrorist attacks in the near future. “It’s going to be a bloody 2025,” said Ryan.

What did all this add up to? Comments posted by Ryan’s viewers on YouTube and on his X page – which, the last time I checked, numbered over 35,000 – were all over the map. Some thought Livelsberger had “lost his mind,” perhaps as a result of “untreated PTSD.” Others feared that Ryan was being suckered in by a psyop. One declared flatly that “‘gravitic’ craft is bullshit” while another said it wasn’t “farfetched” at all, according to (unnamed) sources at MIT and the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory. A veteran EMS worker, noting that Livelsberger’s ID had been found in the vehicle and that he’d supposedly been identified by his tattoos, said that he’d never seen a body that had been burned beyond recognition but that had legible ID on it as well as recognizable tattoos; but this claim was contradicted by a viewer who professed to be a crime scene investigator, and a person who professed to be a “45-year law-enforcement investigator” maintained that Livelsberger “is definitely still alive” – although a viewer who posted his or her comment some time after the podcast noted that authorities had just announced that the body in the Tesla had been confirmed by a dental match, DNA match, and tattoo match to be Livelsberger’s. (The viewer added: “Are they lying?” Well, maybe they are. And why would that be?)

One viewer suggested that Livelsberger had chosen the Trump hotel because he feared – sobering thought – the Chinese plan to strike at Trump at the inauguration. Quite a few viewers dismissed the whole Livelsberger story as a nothingburger; many, many others found it mind-blowing. Then, at a January 7 press conference, the Las Vegas police, ATF, and FBI confirmed the authenticity of Livelsberger’s “manifesto” – and, in addition, seemed to squelch the claim that the car had been self-driving or that the explosion was triggered remotely. They also shared passages from a journal that had allegedly been found on Livenberger’s phone in which, saying that he was “high on weed and drinking,” he referred to having reached a “decision point” and to having decided to “make the final commit” to the Grand Canyon, where he planned to “go…down fighting” by turning the Tesla into “a massive VBIED” (i.e., car bomb). He also referenced his military service, writing that there had not been a time during his two years in Afghanistan “where I had a clear understanding or rational feeling in my heart of why my brothers were fighting and dying.”

One of Shawn Ryan’s viewers commented: “The whole thing still isn’t adding up.” I agree. Although it’s not at all clear to me what we’ve got here, I’m not yet about to file this one under “close the file and move on.” Stay tuned?

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Shawn Ryan and Sam Shoemate
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2025, 11:52:23 AM »