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« Reply #1500 on: May 07, 2022, 08:53:14 AM »
The shiny object release of the Alito draft is tempting our side into overreach.

It is a DRAFT. 

The efforts at intimidation may well have effect and the final decision may well be quite a bit less.

In the meantime, Louisiana is talking about criminally punishing women who abort.  While logically consistent, politically this is stupid.

Other states are talking about criminalizing efforts to assist travel to pro-abortion states for abortions.  While logically consistent, this too is politically stupid.

We on the right have been dogs chasing the car called Roe v. Wade.  Now that we may have caught it, we need to think well about what to do with it.

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« Reply #1501 on: May 07, 2022, 09:20:22 AM »
Shiny object is correct.

WW III and/or the continued collapse of the US into the hot CW2 are what to focus on for firsthand planning and preparation. When the EBT cards don't work or won't buy a weeks worth of food, abortion won't matter.


The shiny object release of the Alito draft is tempting our side into overreach.

It is a DRAFT. 

The efforts at intimidation may well have effect and the final decision may well be quite a bit less.

In the meantime, Louisiana is talking about criminally punishing women who abort.  While logically consistent, politically this is stupid.

Other states are talking about criminalizing efforts to assist travel to pro-abortion states for abortions.  While logically consistent, this too is politically stupid.

We on the right have been dogs chasing the car called Roe v. Wade.  Now that we may have caught it, we need to think well about what to do with it.

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Re: Observation, Overreach
« Reply #1502 on: May 07, 2022, 10:28:41 AM »
Could not agree more.

1. It is a draft; it hasn't happened yet.

2.  Criminalization.  Polling is all over the map, but public opinion is 50/50 at best with variances from state to state and how you frame the question.  You do not criminalize what huge numbers of people do not even think is wrong.

I have tried since the start of the (abortion) thread to frame the issue in terms of winning hearts and minds first, distinguishing right from wrong, not advocating strict laws in the environment of divided political opinion.

3. Do not mess with rape.  The keyword phrase is, exceptions in the case of rape, incest and life of the mother.  No matter your personal belief, don't cross that line in public policy discussion or in law.  It's over-rreach, you don't have public opinion with you and you're hurting your own cause.

4. 'Criminalizing efforts to assist travel' to other states is unconstitutional and "politically stupid".

5.  Early term.  Somewhere along the timeline a blob become a recognizable "independent existence".  I think the Mississippi law draws a line at 16 weeks using "rational basis" to tie that age to where the procedure required becomes what a reasonable person might call "barbaric".  If you have to kill it to remove it, you are recognizing it is a life.

I don't know where the best place is to draw the line is but that argument seems reasonable.  Divided opinion means compromise.  You are not outlawing all abortions with that line and you are not killing late term unborns that are indistinguishable from healthy babies.  And you are not prohibiting travel or preventing willing people, not taxpayers, from sponsoring your travel.

6.  Along the line of G M's point, screw this up so that we lose elections and we lose the country.  Conservatism is a synonym for common sense, not extremism.

7.  The real point with Roe v Wade is that it was a wrongly decided case.  If this ruling goes through, that is remedied.  Celebrate that we preserved our constitution for another minute.  Lose the Senate in 5 months and that may be gone.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1503 on: May 07, 2022, 10:37:04 AM »
The country was lost.

They blatantly stole an election right in front of us. Zero consequences paid.

Who went to jail for Burning/Looting/Murdering ?

No border, no rule of law, but gosh darn it, we are going to totally vote harder at the midterms!

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1504 on: May 07, 2022, 10:45:56 AM »
"Conservatism is a synonym for common sense, not extremism."

Conservatism hasn't been able to conserve the Women's Room for biological females, much less anything else.


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Re: Politics
« Reply #1505 on: May 07, 2022, 11:39:43 AM »
"Conservatism is a synonym for common sense, not extremism."

Conservatism hasn't been able to conserve the Women's Room for biological females, much less anything else.

We don't attract 40-something percent to the movement and win.  We don't lose the popular vote and win control of the issues and institutions. 

We don't fail to put our money where our mouth is and win.  It took Elon Musk of unknown political views to be the first to buy a major outlet out from under them.  And he did it with their money, the EV credit.

We don't win one four year term in the White House, and remake the federal government workforce.

We did win 6 of 9 Supreme Court seats, majority of state legislatures, governorships and from time to time the White House and Congress, so winning is possible, but losing in all but one(?) college, all broadcast networks, 99% of newspapers, all pop culture, all bureaucracies, down to all k-12, even private schools, makes everything an uphill climb.

This year we used our secret weapon, letting the Left and the results that come from their policies expose themselves.  We have every opportunity for a clean sweep of everything on the table.  Whether we win, how we win, where we win, and what we do with that win will determine everything.

The problems have been defined.  Let's visualize solutions.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1506 on: May 07, 2022, 12:44:00 PM »
Do you think the deep state will allow it's power to be removed?

Remember when the republicans ended Obamacare?


"Conservatism is a synonym for common sense, not extremism."

Conservatism hasn't been able to conserve the Women's Room for biological females, much less anything else.

We don't attract 40-something percent to the movement and win.  We don't lose the popular vote and win control of the issues and institutions. 

We don't fail to put our money where our mouth is and win.  It took Elon Musk of unknown political views to be the first to buy a major outlet out from under them.  And he did it with their money, the EV credit.

We don't win one four year term in the White House, and remake the federal government workforce.

We did win 6 of 9 Supreme Court seats, majority of state legislatures, governorships and from time to time the White House and Congress, so winning is possible, but losing in all but one(?) college, all broadcast networks, 99% of newspapers, all pop culture, all bureaucracies, down to all k-12, even private schools, makes everything an uphill climb.

This year we used our secret weapon, letting the Left and the results that come from their policies expose themselves.  We have every opportunity for a clean sweep of everything on the table.  Whether we win, how we win, where we win, and what we do with that win will determine everything.

The problems have been defined.  Let's visualize solutions.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1507 on: May 07, 2022, 02:33:49 PM »
"Do you think the deep state will allow it's power to be removed?"

   - Do you mean by asking them nicely or by firing them one by one?

"Remember when the republicans ended Obamacare?"

  - I said conservatives and you switched it to people who put an R by their name (cf. McCain) to get elected.   We didn't have 50 or 51 honest, conservative Senators, nor did we have a plan. 

When you fully give up hope or even trying, the discussion isn't very interesting.

Why don't we ask it another way:  When will be a better time than now to start the effort to right this ship?

If you think freedom and liberty, gun rights, speech rights, property rights, etc. will be easier to attain after total economic and societal collapse, I'd say, a. I don't believe that, and b. cite your reasons.  Looking around the world and throughout history, when did that work out well for anyone?

NO ONE EVER SAID IT WOULD BE EASY.

If history cycles itself then the time we are in is Jimmy Carter's Presidency when Paul Volcker started raising interest rates.  Democrats controlled the Presidency, House, Senate and Courts, and schools and colleges and media.  For a feel of the nation, they showed the headlines of the day in the opening of the movie "Miracle" and it was despair.  Not only were the Soviets winning, we were becoming them from the inside out. 

Skipping a few details, Reagan emerged from being a not very likely challenger with child-like optimism who never really led in the polls, to winning three landslide elections (including his exit election).  One point that I'm getting at is that 12 years later Democrats had to split with the far Left of their party to be competitive nationally, and two years after that with the Gingrich revolution, the Dem President had to join the other side to govern, cutting tax rates and ending welfare as we know it.  We had a 25 year economic expansion and you don't do that without a little liberty.  [Then Republicans squandered all that had been gained.]

'But Doug, the country is different now.'  Of course it is and now we have Hispanics coming over to our side, and blacks, and we own the vote of working people (until the next time we screw it up), and strangely, they have the mega-rich.  When [in my lifetime, I'm 65] has there ever been a better time to get around their lock on the media?  When have the Left's weaknesses been more exposed?  Not since Carter?  No.  This is far worse for them right now.


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« Reply #1509 on: May 29, 2022, 04:55:35 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1510 on: June 24, 2022, 07:25:50 AM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1515 on: September 12, 2022, 07:27:12 AM »
Observation:  This can, and likely will be, portrayed as calling for pulling the rug from under the Ukes just as they are doing well.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2022/09/conservative-groups-urging-lawmakers-vote-no-more-ukraine-aid/376954/

Observation:  The better the Ukes do, and at the moment it looks like they are on the beginning of a good run, the better for Biden and the Dems in November.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1516 on: September 12, 2022, 07:29:57 AM »
Pulling the rug from the 70% of money and materials being stolen before they get to the battlefield?

According to western media, the Ukes have been doing well all along!



Observation:  This can, and likely will be, portrayed as calling for pulling the rug from under the Ukes just as they are doing well.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2022/09/conservative-groups-urging-lawmakers-vote-no-more-ukraine-aid/376954/

Observation:  The better the Ukes do, and at the moment it looks like they are on the beginning of a good run, the better for Biden and the Dems in November.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1517 on: September 12, 2022, 07:31:59 AM »
My observations of the politics are just that, observations-- not advocacy.

Do you agree or disagree with them?

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1518 on: September 12, 2022, 07:38:20 AM »
The graft machine always screams when anyone tries to slow the graft.


My observations of the politics are just that, observations-- not advocacy.

Do you agree or disagree with them?

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1519 on: September 12, 2022, 07:40:46 AM »
Duh.

Will it work?


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Re: Politics
« Reply #1521 on: September 12, 2022, 07:56:26 AM »
I'm guessing he is not a voter.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1522 on: September 12, 2022, 07:58:31 AM »
I'm guessing he is not a voter.

This is a good representation of the level of awareness from the typical voter.

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Politics, Cynicism becomes Reality under Biden and the Dems, two examples
« Reply #1523 on: September 14, 2022, 04:23:22 AM »
Two obvious examples:

1. The student loan "forgiveness", transference to the taxpayers is a blatant cynical move to buy young votes coming into the midterms.  We argue that it fails because of the people it leaves out and the people who got screwed by paying off their loans, BUT nonetheless...  It IS a blatant cynical move to buy votes - WITH OUR MONEY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BsV6axZ6e8  Steve Forbes spells it out.

2. The Strategic Midterm Petroleum Supply 
https://roserambles.org/2022/09/13/biden-withdraws-record-amount-of-crude-from-strategic-midterm-reserve-sept-13-2022/

What is the purpose of this policy other than to buy votes in the midterm?

For every barrel depleted, we are less prepared for the emergency situation that just gets closer and closer.  Maybe we could have kept Europe from freezing to death for example, or ourselves.  But no.  The amounts and timing of the releases are aimed at none other than the midterms.  Get the gas at the pump price down just enough to avoid electoral carnage in the midterms.  Then the price goes up artificially and painfully as we restore the levels.  Or will they leave us depleted the way these reckless incompetents did when they raided the N95 mask supplies and never replaced them years before Covid.

THIS is what passes for leadership in 2022.  Vote them out.

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« Reply #1524 on: September 14, 2022, 01:57:42 PM »
If the Uke War goes well, it will be bad for Trump and good for Biden and the Dems.

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« Reply #1525 on: September 14, 2022, 02:10:47 PM »
If the Uke War goes well, it will be bad for Trump and good for Biden and the Dems.

How? What would "goes well" look like?

Biden turned the fucking taliban into the 26th largest military without them even having to change their name.

Ukraine has been an endless rathole of graft and corruption that we continue to dump Debtbux into meanwhile actual US military families need EBT cards for food and our military stockpiles are gutted.


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« Reply #1526 on: September 14, 2022, 02:14:55 PM »
If the Uke War goes well, it will be bad for Trump and good for Biden and the Dems.

How? What would "goes well" look like?

Biden turned the fucking taliban into the 26th largest military without them even having to change their name.

Ukraine has been an endless rathole of graft and corruption that we continue to dump Debtbux into meanwhile actual US military families need EBT cards for food and our military stockpiles are gutted.

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1050,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/115/820/465/original/cac626284ea2ba5f.jpg




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Re: Politics
« Reply #1527 on: September 14, 2022, 04:14:37 PM »
AMEN!!!


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The DC Uniparty
« Reply #1529 on: September 21, 2022, 06:21:12 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1530 on: September 21, 2022, 07:18:31 PM »
If we don't fk McConnell we are fuct.

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« Reply #1531 on: September 21, 2022, 07:20:28 PM »
If we don't fk McConnell we are fuct.

McConnell is just one of many.

It's not called the DC Uniparty for no reason.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1532 on: September 21, 2022, 07:33:47 PM »
So, your question presented in the ACTION thread was what happens if we win, yes?

Good question. 

The floor is open.

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« Reply #1533 on: September 21, 2022, 07:36:01 PM »
So, your question presented in the ACTION thread was what happens if we win, yes?

Good question. 

The floor is open.

Nothing of any value happens. That's what.


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Re: Politics
« Reply #1534 on: September 21, 2022, 08:46:58 PM »
So, your question presented in the ACTION thread was what happens if we win, yes?

Good question. 

The floor is open.

Nothing of any value happens. That's what.

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« Reply #1535 on: September 22, 2022, 12:43:39 AM »
To quote someone I read yesterday, Steve Hayward(?), "I miss the days when socialism was creeping and inflation was transitory".

The fairer question is, what could we do with 2 or 3 or more red waves?  With 1 red wave, we could stymie Joe Biden for two years, limit his further damage to "Executive Orders", stop his further Judicial picks, keep the filibuster and the Supreme Court, clean up some election processes in some states

In the case of Reagan where we never won the House, barely won a Senate, followed by Gingrich where we won the House and Senate, but failed to win the White House back, we still set off a 25 year economic expansion and balanced the budget for a moment.

Capitalism equals economic freedom and is a symbol for all our freedoms, speech, gun rights, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure and the rest, all of which we are losing.  Ron Johnson wants to investigate and end FBI abuse.  Ron Johnson's opponent wants to "stymie capitalism".  Ron Johnson is on the list.  Lose that one race and it's over. 

Corker and Flake are gone.  McCain broke his promise to end Obamacare. McCain is gone, but his seat was lost.  An AZ seat is in the list with a great candidate.  Replace Murkowski is on the list.

You seriously can't see a difference between Hershel Walker pursuing freedom and Rafael Warnock pursuing totalitarian statism?  DC "Uniparty", both parties the same?  Good grief. Get real
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FYI, here's your Uniparty, one party rule, 15% tax increases on everybody, compounding annually. And they favor"sustainability"?

https://m.startribune.com/st-paul-city-council-approves-15-34-maximum-property-tax-levy-increase/600209076

Total collapse of western civilization is on the ballot.  Vote no.

Freedom isn't free anymore. (Never was.)
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1536 on: September 22, 2022, 07:25:44 AM »
To quote someone I read yesterday, Steve Hayward(?), "I miss the days when socialism was creeping and inflation was transitory".

The fairer question is, what could we do with 2 or 3 or more red waves?  With 1 red wave, we could stymie Joe Biden for two years, limit his further damage to "Executive Orders", stop his further Judicial picks, keep the filibuster and the Supreme Court, clean up some election processes in some states

In the case of Reagan where we never won the House, barely won a Senate, followed by Gingrich where we won the House and Senate, but failed to win the White House back, we still set off a 25 year economic expansion and balanced the budget for a moment.

Capitalism equals economic freedom and is a symbol for all our freedoms, speech, gun rights, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure and the rest, all of which we are losing.  Ron Johnson wants to investigate and end FBI abuse.  Ron Johnson's opponent wants to "stymie capitalism".  Ron Johnson is on the list.  Lose that one race and it's over. 

Corker and Flake are gone.  McCain broke his promise to end Obamacare. McCain is gone, but his seat was lost.  An AZ seat is in the list with a great candidate.  Replace Murkowski is on the list.

You seriously can't see a difference between Hershel Walker pursuing freedom and Rafael Warnock pursuing totalitarian statism?  DC "Uniparty", both parties the same?  Good grief. Get real
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FYI, here's your Uniparty, one party rule, 15% tax increases on everybody, compounding annually. And they favor"sustainability"?

https://m.startribune.com/st-paul-city-council-approves-15-34-maximum-property-tax-levy-increase/600209076

Total collapse of western civilization is on the ballot.  Vote no.

Freedom isn't free anymore. (Never was.)

By what percentage did Reagan cut the federal government?

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« Reply #1537 on: September 22, 2022, 01:41:30 PM »
quote author=G M
By what percentage did Reagan cut the federal government?

Seemed clear in my post, Reagan never won the House.

He accomplished quite a bit though that you seem willing to gloss over.  The win over the Soviet Union was a pretty big one.  Lowering the top tax rate from 70 to 28% - that's a bfd imho - while doubling revenues to the Treasury.  If you think Reagan winning 93 states was inconsequential, uniparty stuff, that Carter and Mondale would have done about this same, how do I say nicely, that's bullshit.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1538 on: September 22, 2022, 02:10:25 PM »
quote author=G M
By what percentage did Reagan cut the federal government?

Seemed clear in my post, Reagan never won the House.

He accomplished quite a bit though that you seem willing to gloss over.  The win over the Soviet Union was a pretty big one.  Lowering the top tax rate from 70 to 28% - that's a bfd imho - while doubling revenues to the Treasury.  If you think Reagan winning 93 states was inconsequential, uniparty stuff, that Carter and Mondale would have done about this same, how do I say nicely, that's bullshit.

I’m not glossing over any of Reagan’s accomplishments, just pointing out how now matter who is in office, the swamp/deep state grows.

Dems get new parts in, then they only grow in size and budget, no matter how hard they fail.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1539 on: September 23, 2022, 03:50:51 AM »
Baseline budgeting played an important role in this.  The rapid decline in inflation meant that spending increased in real terms.

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« Reply #1540 on: Today at 07:21:06 AM »
Just returned from traveling with some politically varying good friends.  Gained very few insights as everyone is afraid to touch the divisive issues and differences. 

Not to me, but I overheard the most liberal of the group say to another how tired he is about hearing from Trump.  Quite accurate.  The outlets he follows and the people he follows in Washington are obsessed with Trump.   Also ironic since he just brought up the name for no apparent reason.

Another very good friend in a brief exchange about inflation, pointed out inflation seems to be a global issue [as opposed to a Biden Dem issue], then dropped it quickly in conflict avoidance.  This, I think, is important because I can't figure out the economic thinking of honest and sincere people.  For one thing they are ingesting different facts and opinions.  But in this case, the policies are not in doubt, the fact of inflation is not in doubt, so the only thing left is to not connect the policies with their consequences.  If you did, you would no longer be a liberal, at last on economic issues.  THIS is the group we need to talk to.  There is a dishonesty inherent in liberal economic thinking and a disconnect between policies and consequences.  Often the facts are hidden by media, but can't fully be hidden like inflation, failed programs and crime and violence in places like Minneapolis and St. Paul.  One friend's son was very recently car jacked at gunpoint in a nice neighborhood not far from the trouble areas. 

The leaders of the Left are dishonest and worse but don't assume all of the 60, 70. 80 million who are inclined to follow them are dishonest.  SOME of these people are persuadable by events, facts and contrary thinking, and that process takes time and long term sustaining effort.

The two friends on this trip who are most conservative (other than me) have very liberal wives and are not allowed to utter aloud a dissenting word on that in their presence.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1541 on: Today at 08:25:23 AM »
Saw a clip of Joe Scarborough today played on FOX of him saying the Dems have been seriously wrong on the Border issue!

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« Reply #1542 on: Today at 10:26:57 AM »
Just returned from traveling with some politically varying good friends.  Gained very few insights as everyone is afraid to touch the divisive issues and differences. 

Not to me, but I overheard the most liberal of the group say to another how tired he is about hearing from Trump.  Quite accurate.  The outlets he follows and the people he follows in Washington are obsessed with Trump.   Also ironic since he just brought up the name for no apparent reason.

Another very good friend in a brief exchange about inflation, pointed out inflation seems to be a global issue [as opposed to a Biden Dem issue], then dropped it quickly in conflict avoidance.  This, I think, is important because I can't figure out the economic thinking of honest and sincere people.  For one thing they are ingesting different facts and opinions.  But in this case, the policies are not in doubt, the fact of inflation is not in doubt, so the only thing left is to not connect the policies with their consequences.  If you did, you would no longer be a liberal, at last on economic issues.  THIS is the group we need to talk to.  There is a dishonesty inherent in liberal economic thinking and a disconnect between policies and consequences.  Often the facts are hidden by media, but can't fully be hidden like inflation, failed programs and crime and violence in places like Minneapolis and St. Paul.  One friend's son was very recently car jacked at gunpoint in a nice neighborhood not far from the trouble areas. 

The leaders of the Left are dishonest and worse but don't assume all of the 60, 70. 80 million who are inclined to follow them are dishonest.  SOME of these people are persuadable by events, facts and contrary thinking, and that process takes time and long term sustaining effort.

The two friends on this trip who are most conservative (other than me) have very liberal wives and are not allowed to utter aloud a dissenting word on that in their presence.

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