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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #3152 on: October 23, 2024, 12:39:53 PM »
Here it is!

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CNN analyst ; no one knows what Netanyah's "endgame" is
« Reply #3153 on: October 23, 2024, 08:05:12 PM »
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/23/middleeast/netanyahu-endgame-israel-gaza-lebanon-intl/

I will give you 3 guesses.

We do know what Hamas Iran and Hezbollah's "endgame" is - wipe out Israel as Jewish nation.

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Israel's Fine Strategic Line Walked After 10/7
« Reply #3154 on: October 28, 2024, 02:21:23 PM »
VDH Lays it out as only he can. I think the comparison w/ Churchill is surprisingly apt:

The Ordeal and Triumph of Mr. Netanyahu
4 Comments / October 28, 2024
Victor Davis Hanson
American Greatness

Ordeal

After the October 7 massacres, the obituaries of the long political career of Benjamin Netanyahu, published both in Israel and in the West, became orthodox. He was considered as politically inert as Donald Trump once was after January 6, 2021.

The conventional wisdom speculated not if, but only when he would be forced out of office.

Western leaders and the Israeli left, and indeed even the Israeli non-left, as well as American and European pundits, claimed that the laxity of the Netanyahu government was entirely to blame for the grotesque massacre of October 7.

Indeed, last fall, there arose almost a competition of critics to assert all the ways in which Netanyahu was played by Hamas.

Accordingly, Netanyahu’s sweeping Supreme Court reforms had supposedly needlessly split the country, demoralizing the military and eroding Israeli deterrence in the eyes of Palestinian terrorists. Or his purported strategy of playing off the more lethal and toxic Hamas against the Palestinian Authority was supposedly proof of his reckless naivete.

Still, other opponents argued that his 16 years as Israel’s longest-serving prime minister and his age of 75 made him a Joe Biden-like relic of the past, simply too old and too familiar to be any longer effective. He was told it was well past time to step down and let a new generation break out of the old toxic Middle East mindsets.

And indeed, after October 7, Netanyahu faced a bleak regional and global landscape—analogous to what a 65-year-old Churchill faced in June 1940 when all of Western Europe was in the hands of the Nazis and a lonely Britain was without a single wartime ally—with a sympathetic America still hesitant to commit to ensuring its existence.

Massive immigration from the Middle East into Europe and the United States—spiked by hundreds of thousands of oil-subsidized foreign students in Western universities, coupled with the post-George Floyd woke/DEI hysterias—had made European and American political parties unapologetically not just anti-Israel but now increasingly anti-Semitic as well.

Western governments at times seemed far more terrified of their own Muslim citizens, foreign residents, radicalized students, and left-wing activists of their political parties than they were of any terrorist threats emanating from Iran and its surrogates.

So, a shared sense of resignation, if not despair, had swept the West and, in part, Israel too. Armchair strategists and retired generals opined nonstop how it would be virtually impossible to root out Hamas from its vast subterranean labyrinths—given its armories and headquarters were buried deep below Gazan hospitals, schools, and mosques.

The West all but accepted Hamas propaganda that it was more immoral to root out Hamas murderers hiding beneath hospitals than it was for them to murder and then flee beneath them.

Hamas’s own leaders were in no mood to negotiate a return of the hostages. They felt the more collateral damage their own fellow Gazans suffered, the more CNN-fed propaganda about Israeli “atrocities” and “genocide” would neuter the Netanyahu government. Hamas sensed Palestinians were to be the media’s new Ukrainians—fellow underdogs deserving Western support.

The old friendship days of Donald Trump—the Abraham Accords, the move of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, the institutionalization of an Israeli Golan Heights, the withdrawal from the Iran Deal, the crippling oil sanctions on Tehran, and the terrorist designation of the Houthis—were long gone.

In their place emerged the most anti-Israeli American government in memory. Biden-Harris soon put arms holds on Israel, hectored it to be proportionate in responding to some 500 projectiles launched by Iran against the Jewish homeland, and all but resonated the slurs of the left that Israel had become “genocidal.”

By spring 2024, we were further told that Israel could not finally defeat Hamas or remove its leadership from their tunnels. Moreover, Israel also faced 100,000, 125,000, or perhaps even 150,000 Hezbollah ballistic missiles and rockets—along with the full arsenal of Iranian rockets, missiles, and drones—that were ready at last to swarm and destroy Israeli defenses.

So, Israel was hopelessly trapped, we were told, in a brilliantly devilish Iranian “ring of fire.” Accordingly, Iranian appendages in the West Bank and Gaza, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon would wage an on-off again war of attrition against Israel.

Meanwhile, Iran would finalize the production of five or six nuclear bombs. Israel’s civilian and military manpower would be worn down and worn out on multiple fronts and its tourist trade would be destroyed.

The economy would be bled out, as its citizens were ostracized abroad and at home called up to military service. And its only patron, the once reliable U.S., now under the Biden-Harris administration, considered the Jewish state a near embarrassing election-year liability.

Such were the burdens that would supposedly crush Netanyahu as he was forced from office. These challenges would soon lead to a more “realistic” and compliant Israeli government that would stop the ground wars, not retaliate disproportionally against Hezbollah or Iran (“You got a win. Take the win” in the words of Joe Biden), and use the Biden administration as a neutral interlocutor to legitimize Hamas and thereby perhaps ransom the hostages for billions of dollars.

The more Israel knocked down incoming missiles, the more Biden urged them not to respond proportionally, as if to punish Israel for its competence and reward Iran for its ineptitude.

Indeed, not since the infamous days of the 1950s, when the CIA overthrew Latin American regimes, had America so brazenly interfered in the internal politics of a foreign nation as it now overtly sought to replace or undermine the Netanyahu government—by strategic leaks of shared classified information, slow-walking and suspending arms, threats of holding back financial aid, opening back-channel relations with its political opponents, and by nonstop loud jawboning.

Triumph

Yet here we are in autumn 2024, a year after October 7, with Hamas’s leadership virtually liquidated. Its terrorist brigades are decimated and increasingly scattered, and its own battered constituencies now angry that they are suffering the consequences of a self-interested—and, worst of all, losing—Hamas elite.

Hezbollah has launched some 9,000 rockets since October 7. It has made the Lebanese-Israeli border a no-man’s land. Some 80,000 Israelis were forced from their homes. Hezbollah violated all the UN peace accords and used UN deployments as virtual shields. Middle East experts assumed that Hamas were amateur killers compared to Nasrallah’s dreaded Hezbollah—the SS of Middle Eastern terrorist brigades.

Supposedly, its hardened killers, some 100,000 strong, could at any time trump the wickedness and medieval savagery of Hamas by sending at will far deadlier hit teams into northern Israel to repeat the massacres of October 7.

And what of Iran itself, the hub to the spokes of such terrorism?

We were told that it would soon become nuclear and might strike against the proverbial “one-bomb” state. In the mullahs’ eyes, poor Israel was a divine gift to the theocracy of assembling half the world’s Jewry into one easy target.

Did not Iran export deadly drones and missiles to new staunch allies like Russia and China and develop missiles nearly comparable to any in the West?

And yet somehow an embattled Netanyahu, shunned by the Biden administration, demonized by the European Union, and smeared and slandered by the UN, saw opportunity where all others saw only doom.

He understood that the sheer depravity of October 7 gave Israel, at least for a brief window, the moral authority to wage all-out war on its enemies, terrorists whose reputations he sensed were exaggerated, and their leaders’ bloodcurdling threats thus mostly empty.

So, Israel systematically neutered Hamas, eliminating its leadership, destroying its tunnels, and warning civilians this time around to vacate buildings that served as armories, storehouses, and safe houses and thus would be leveled. And so they were.

As if out of some science fiction novel, years ago Israel booby trapped thousands of Hezbollah pagers and walkie-talkies. And when they now finally exploded, they wounded or killed in a few seconds many of its ruling echelon while identifying the terrorists among the Lebanese population and revealing their strategic locations at the moments of their demise.

Netanyahu was told that reentering the Lebanese border was to revisit the graveyard of past failed Israeli incursions. And yet he did just that, though in measure, and thus half of the Hezbollah missile force is now reportedly gone. And with that, he pivoted to Iran.

Iran had sent 500 rockets, drones, and missiles into Israel, Israel heretofore launching a mere handful of missiles in response—until last week when the Israelis had apparently taken out much of the Iranian missile inventory and launch sites, as well as its anti-aircraft batteries.

So Israel without loss has finally retaliated against Iran in force, but in a geostrategically brilliant fashion that for now has taken few lives, avoided a regional war, and again put Iran in a nearly impossible strategic position—and all without further alienating an often hostile Biden administration.

If Iran does not match its murderous eliminationist rhetoric with a third strike, it will continue to lose face abroad and perhaps eventually even its governance at home. And yet Tehran realizes such humiliating quietude is the better of two bad choices, since Israel also gave it a way out, by killing few Iranians and sparing its oil and nuclear facilities.

On the other hand, if Iran foolishly chooses to send more ballistic missiles into Israel, there is a good chance that again few—if any—will get through. And such a third strike will both justify and indeed this time ensure that an unbound (and unstoppable) Israeli retaliation will destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities and its oil infrastructure, rendering it destitute, defenseless, and humiliated—to the delight of the Arab world, the U.S. and even Europe, and the indifference of its supposed allies China and Russia.

Moreover, Netanyahu struck before the election. That sent a message that even if Harris were to be elected, neither she nor Biden in the next few months will veto Israeli strategic options. (And the strike also reminded American voters that the current administration turned a calm Middle East into an inferno). All that said, Israel responded again with restraint, which the Biden-Harris will eagerly claim was due to their own humanitarian pressure.

In sum, Netanyahu has changed the very image of his multifarious enemies—and indeed of the Middle East terrorist himself. The myth of a deadly and inviolate Iran is now shattered, replaced by a neurotic theocracy, its terrorist limbs amputated, its homeland defenseless, and its ultimate fate in the hands of a righteously angry Israel—with the specter of a possible President Donald Trump on the horizon who would end the dangerous American strategic nonsense of promoting a theocratic, anti-Western, Persian/Shiite/underdog as a foil to the moderate Arabs and Israel.

Likewise, exploding pagers and walkie-talkies not only decimated Hezbollah, but it also humiliated it—and made it the butt of macabre global jest.

Targeted assassinations changed the image of the fiery terrorist Iranian, Hezbollah, or Hamas leader, shaking his fist and shouting death to Israel and the West to assembled thousands, into a caricature of a craven and quivering bully—screaming from a reinforced bunker about the unfairness of being on the receiving end of what it has so boastfully for decades dished out.

Western media weekly posts wanted poster-like charts of Iranian, Hezbollah, and Hamas leadership, with x’s over the faces of the deceased. Now no sooner does a Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iranian terrorist implode than there are hushed assumptions that no one wishes to publicly identify as his replacement—and thus join him in eternity

The surreal aspect of the Netanyahu retaliatory tour is that he has done more to neutralize European and American enemies—with decades of Western blood on their hands—than NATO, the CIA, the FBI, and Interpol combined, and yet more often received rebuke rather than gratitude.

https://victorhanson.com/the-ordeal-and-triumph-of-mr-netanyahu

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« Reply #3155 on: November 01, 2024, 08:30:29 AM »


Time to talk. Israel is ready to seek a cease-fire along the Lebanese border, Israeli broadcaster Channel 12 reported. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli security officials reportedly agreed at a meeting on Tuesday that the goals of the operation in southern Lebanon have been achieved and that a political settlement must now be reached. They also agreed that a deal would facilitate the return of residents to their homes in northern Israel, which was a key objective of the ground operation.

U.S. and Egypt. CIA Director William Burns held talks in Cairo with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi and intelligence chief Hassan Rashad. They discussed potential negotiations on a cease-fire in Gaza, the release of hostages held by Hamas and delivery of humanitarian aid. They also talked about the conflict in Lebanon, noting that an escalation of the fighting there would have serious consequences for the region.

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If We Don’t Allow Terrorists to Provide Food that Will be Hijacked …
« Reply #3156 on: November 01, 2024, 10:29:51 AM »
… by terrorists then people will starve! The left’s inability to take a fair and consistent stand here astounds:

The UNRWA meltdown
Why is a country under genocidal attack expected to provide aid to its attackers?

MELANIE PHILLIPS
NOV 01, 2024

Gaza building underneath which IDF discovered the bodies of four Israeli hostages
If anything illuminates the insanity and moral bankruptcy of our times, it’s the reaction to Israel’s decision to act against the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA).

Laws passed this week by the Israeli Knesset, which will come into force in three months’ time, ban UNRWA from operating in either Israel or Gaza, prohibit state officials from having any contact with the agency or its representatives, and enable Israel to arrest and prosecute any of its employees with terrorist connections.

The evidence is overwhelming that UNRWA is indeed an active partner of Hamas.

Israel has claimed that dozens of UNRWA officials and staffers directly participated in last year’s October 7 pogrom in southern Israel, when 1,200 were murdered and more than 250 kidnapped into Gaza.

Mohammad Abu Itiwi, who led the murder and kidnapping of Israelis hiding in a roadside bomb shelter on that terrible day and who was killed by the Israel Defence Forces last week in Gaza, had been employed by UNRWA since July 2022 while serving as a Nukbha commander in Hamas’s Bureij battalion.

Fateh Sherif Abu el-Amin, who led Hamas in Lebanon and was killed in an Israeli airstrike there in September, doubled as the head of Lebanon’s UNRWA teachers’ union. A school principal, he oversaw 65 schools and roughly 40,000 students. He had also been responsible for co-ordinating terror activities between Hamas and Hezbollah; procuring weapons and recruiting terrorists; and using social media to incite attacks.

The IDF repeatedly discovered terrorist infrastructure sited in and around UNRWA schools, hospitals and other facilities. Back in February, Israeli forces found below UNRWA’s headquarters in Gaza City a subterranean data centre that was hooked up to the electricity supply in the UNRWA facility above.

According to the curricula monitoring organisation IMPACT-se, UNRWA’s school curriculum has had a “central, radicalising influence on generations of Palestinians” and teaches children that the Jews are “liars and fraudsters” who “spread corruption.”

Despite all this and more such evidence of UNRWA’s terrorist ties, there has been hysterical outrage over Israel’s ban. There have been claims that it will deepen the humanitarian crisis with Gazans now on the brink of starvation — a claim that’s been made repeatedly during the war but has always proved untrue.

In reality, hundreds of aid trucks enter Gaza every week but Hamas continues to steal the aid and sell it on the black market at hugely inflated prices that Gaza residents cannot afford. Hamas has seized an estimated $500 million in foreign aid since the war began.

Most of the assistance coming in isn’t even being distributed by UNRWA. Israeli officials have said that aid agencies such as the World Food Program, World Central Kitchen and UNICEF have a bigger role in distributing Gaza’s aid supplies.

None of this is acknowledged by those claiming that the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza are starving and UNRWA is irreplaceable. Other aid agencies, they say, don’t provide health and education services.

But UNRWA’s schools have taught generations of Gaza’s children to hate and murder Jews. According to the IDF, every single UNRWA hospital and clinic has been used as a terrorist hub, with clinical staff doubling as Hamas members.

In any civilised universe, how can such a provision be deemed “irreplaceable”? Shouldn’t the appropriate response to the organisation that has facilitated such terrorist assistance be to shut it down?

Moreover, why should Israel be held responsible for providing Gaza with humanitarian assistance? Israel has been under bombardment from the coastal enclave for two decades. Gaza’s population elected Hamas to rule them. Opinion polling consistently reveals that even among those who now hate Hamas, the vast majority support the killing of Israelis.

Thousands of those civilians took part in the October 7 atrocities in Israel and grossly abused the Israeli captives when they were dragged into Gaza. The IDF subsequently found evidence of ties to Hamas in virtually every house.

In what conceivable moral universe is a country targeted for such a remorseless and genocidal attack expected to look after the welfare of its murderous attackers?

The United Nations says Jerusalem has an obligation under international law to provide humanitarian assistance in Gaza because Israel is the occupying power. But this is totally untrue. Israel is not occupying Gaza. It withdrew from it altogether in 2005.

It’s the United Nations that has failed to live up to its own international obligation not to fund and support violence. For years, the world body has turned a blind eye to UNRWA’s ties to terrorists. So have America, Britain and other countries. They still refuse to acknowledge this problem.

In a statement this week expressing “grave concern” over the Israeli ban, the foreign ministers of Canada, Australia, France, Germany, Japan, the Republic of Korea and the United Kingdom claimed that UNRWA was tackling its employees’ support for terrorism by pursuing the recommendations made in last April’s independent review by the former French foreign minister, Catherine Colonna.

That review was a travesty. Before the report was even written, Colonna said that her goal was to “enable donors … to regain confidence, when they have lost it or when they have doubts, in the way UNRWA operates”. Her report was drafted to achieve precisely that rather than stop the rot.

Far from tackling the agency’s terrorist ties, its commissioner-general, Philippe Lazzarini, has batted them away. He claimed implausibly that UNRWA didn’t know about the Hamas data centre underneath its Gaza headquarters.

He denied that it employed terrorists and said this claim was part of a “large-scale campaign aimed at undermining the agency”. Having suspended the teachers’ union head Abu el Amin under pressure over the revelation of his Hamas role, Lazzarini reinstated him three months later under pressure of a strike by UNRWA teachers supporting their union’s head.

As for UN Secretary-General António Guterres, he appeared to blame Israel for the Hamas October 7 pogrom by saying it “did not happen in a vacuum” and has repeatedly parroted Hamas talking points.

Instead of holding the UN’s and UNRWA’s feet to the fire, Israel’s supposed allies in America and Britain have been threatening to cut off the Jewish state at the knees.

Having told Israel earlier this month that it must take steps within 30 days to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza or face potential restrictions on US military aid, the Biden-Harris administration threatened it with “consequences under US law and US policy” over its UNRWA ban.

In Britain, there have been reports that the government may suspend further arms sales to Israel as punishment. The UK ambassador to the United Nations, Dame Barbara Woodward, said that Israel must “ensure UNRWA can continue to provide essential services to those suffering in Gaza and the West Bank”.

But UNRWA’s role is not as a dispassionate provider of essential services. It was actually created in 1949 as a weapon to delegitimise the State of Israel. While refugee status for all other peoples is considered a temporary measure, it’s permanent for the Palestinian Arabs. Under UNRWA’s unique designation, it’s passed down from generation to generation.

That’s why the number of Palestinian Arab “refugees” has ludicrously increased from 700,000 in 1948 to 5.9 million today—an ever-growing running sore whose toxicity is vastly increased by the hatred of Israel taught in UNRWA schools.

The pretence that UNRWA exists to provide for the suffering was finally ripped apart by the part its employees played in the October 7 atrocities and in the war that has followed.

Israelis are no longer prepared to tolerate people who are trying to kill them and destroy their country while parading as humanitarian relief workers. Yet the United States, Britain and the United Nations are pressuring Israel to continue to keep this malign farce going.

Such people aren’t appalled by UNRWA. They’re appalled by the ban on it. That tells you everything you need to know about the war against Israel by the so-called civilised world.

Jewish News Syndicate

Don’t forget that you can catch up with all my previous work on my website at melaniephillips.substack.com

https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/the-unrwa-meltdown?r=1qo1e&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true
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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #3158 on: November 02, 2024, 07:51:57 AM »
OMG, was Bill actually making sense there?!?

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Serious Read: GPF: The Illusion of Palestinian Statehood
« Reply #3159 on: November 05, 2024, 06:58:06 AM »


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The Illusion of Palestinian Statehood
Long before the Hamas attack, Israelis did not see a two-state solution as a viable option.
By: Hilal Khashan

The idea of a two-state solution was a Palestinian concept that gradually gained international support. Its broad outlines began to take shape in the early 1970s after the Jordanian army expelled the Palestine Liberation Organization from Jordan and forcibly relocated PLO headquarters to Lebanon. However, Israel has from the outset rejected Palestinian statehood, pointing to the fact that peace talks and U.N. resolutions never referred to establishing a Palestinian state. It has also argued that Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack created a sweeping sentiment within Israel, shared by young West Bank Palestinians but for different reasons, that Palestinian statehood will never be an acceptable option.

Israel’s Stance

Recognizing the right of the Palestinian people to a state casts doubt on the biblical Zionist narrative that defines the “Land of Israel” as stretching from the Mediterranean coast to the Jordan Rift Valley, which includes the Jordan River and the Dead Sea. Thus, Israel’s rejection of a Palestinian state in the West Bank is both a strategic and a principled position. Until a few years ago, Israel did not recognize the existence of the Palestinian people, and the flexibility it has sometimes shown on this front, including in the 2002 road map for peace and the 2020 Abraham Accords, was just a maneuver to buy time to annex more land.

Israel’s rejection of a Palestinian state is not a ploy to extract more concessions from the Palestinians. It’s also not, as Israel insists, a reaction to Palestinian attempts to acquire a state through violence or concerns that a Palestinian state will threaten Israel and the region. Israel does not view the Palestinians’ commitment to peace, their abandonment of armed struggle or international legitimacy of the Israeli state as incentives to grant the Palestinians an independent political entity.

To understand the Israeli position, it is essential to understand the real cause of the 1967 war, which resulted in Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, the Golan Heights, Gaza and the Sinai Desert. Israel knew that Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser did not want war despite his rhetoric. He explained that Egypt itself would not start a war but would react massively should Israel launch one. The Egyptian military command considered sending forces to Sinai as a demonstration to persuade the administration of U.S. President Lyndon Johnson to engage in dialogue with Nasser after their estrangement in 1965. Egypt agreed to send Vice President Zakaria Mohieddin to Washington to discuss ways to ease tensions in the Middle East and reverse Egypt’s decision to close the Strait of Tiran to Israeli shipping. Ten days before Mohieddin’s scheduled visit, however, Israel launched the Six-Day War.

Soon after the war’s conclusion, Yigal Allon, an Israeli Cabinet member, proposed the annexation of the Jordan River lowland to isolate West Bank Palestinians from Transjordan and Israel’s ambitious settlement construction project. Israel wanted what it called the liberation of the Land of Israel, especially Judea and Samaria, fearing increasing demands from the Palestine Liberation Organization, established in 1964, and the Fatah movement to establish a Palestinian state in the West Bank, which was then under Jordanian control, and the Gaza Strip, then administered by Egypt.

These calls for independence explain Jordanian King Hussein’s decision just five days before the outbreak of the war to sign a defense treaty with Egypt, as he was aware of Israel’s intention to go to war and the likely outcome of the conflict. He preferred to get rid of the West Bank, which he viewed as a burden on his Hashemite Kingdom. He withdrew his army from the territory without putting up much of a fight.

Israel did not occupy the West Bank or construct settlements and roads there solely for security reasons. It had no intention to return the area to the Palestinians so that they could establish a state if the region became more secure. Rather, its intention was for the West Bank to become part of the state of Israel. This was made clear by Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion's 1956 proclamation that Jordan had no right to exist and that the West Bank should become an autonomous region within Israel.

Statehood and Peace Talks

No direct or indirect negotiations with the Palestinians mentioned the potential for a Palestinian state in a realistic manner. Even talks on the Oslo Accords veered from the topic and treated the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as disputed lands. Israel and the United States have insisted that the peace process be based on U.N. Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, which did not mention the word “Palestine” or the Palestinians but addressed instead the Arab countries that participated in the 1967 war.

Even after the establishment of the Palestinian National Authority in 1994 following the signing of the Oslo Accords, Israel rejected Palestinian sovereignty over any land, water and space. It also objected to the name “Palestinian National Authority,” which implies the existence of a homeland and state. It instead insists on using “Palestinian Authority” to describe the entity that administers the Palestinian territories. Thus, the passports of residents of the West Bank and Gaza bear the name “Palestinian Authority.”

Israel accepted the idea of establishing a Palestinian state that includes the West Bank, or parts of it, on only two occasions but placed impossible conditions for its establishment in both instances. The first was the road map for peace. In 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush referred in a speech to the possibility of establishing a Palestinian state. The “international quartet,” consisting of the U.S., the European Union, the United Nations and Russia, put forward a plan to get negotiations underway amid Israel’s continued construction of settlements in the West Bank. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon set 14 conditions for accepting the plan and establishing a Palestinian state that ultimately derailed its implementation. The conditions included an indefinite hold on negotiations with the Palestinians on resolving the final status issues and refusal to dismantle any settlements, including isolated outposts.

The second instance was the Abraham Accords, signed under mediation during the Trump administration. Although they cite the possibility of establishing a Palestinian state, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented 10 conditions to make this happen that the Palestinians could not satisfy. They included Israel’s annexation of the Jordan Valley lowland, the northern West Bank and related settlements, Palestinian acceptance of Israel’s annexation of east Jerusalem, and the extension of Israeli security sovereignty over the entire West Bank. Netanyahu insisted that after the Palestinians accepted these conditions, negotiations would begin between the two parties to establish a Palestinian state.

Traumatized Israeli Public

A poll release last February and conducted by the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv found that 63 percent of Jewish Israelis opposed the establishment of a Palestinian state. Many are reluctant to discuss creation of a Palestinian state or even consider peace, even in the context of a comprehensive normalization agreement with all Arab countries. Hamas’ attack last year wounded the Israeli psyche, disillusioning Israelis about the possibility of peaceful coexistence with Palestinians.

The country is also experiencing a period of political upheaval and social division. Although most Israelis see Netanyahu as the politician best suited to lead the country, they also view him as a failed and corrupt leader. Only 28 percent of respondents in the INSS poll said they approved of Netanyahu, indicating Israel is suffering from a crisis of confidence in its political leaders. Many respondents also said they could agree to make peace without necessarily establishing a Palestinian state if a trusted and charismatic leader emerged.

Last July, the Knesset approved by a large majority a draft resolution rejecting the establishment of a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. The move came after five countries – Norway, Ireland, Spain, Slovenia and Armenia – recognized the Palestinian state. The Knesset vote was a clear message that Israel would not agree to establishing a Palestinian state or any negotiations that could lead in that direction. It reflected the general sentiment in Israeli society against a two-state solution.

Palestinian Youth

As for young Palestinians, many say they do not trust the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah and reject the establishment of a Palestinian state, believing it will fail due to rampant corruption and discontiguity and could, in the best case, lead to establishment of Native American-style reservations. Palestinian youth describe the Ramallah government as authoritarian and self-serving. More than 30 years after the declaration of principles on the White House lawn and the start of peace negotiations, young people have lost hope for the future.

Israelis and Palestinians are both traumatized peoples. The fragmented political landscape for both groups has produced unpopular leaders and limited public support for genuine peace, turning the page, and moving on to new horizons

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Qatar to Hamas: Don’t Let the Door Hit You on the Way Out?
« Reply #3160 on: November 08, 2024, 10:01:40 AM »
If confirmed, this is a big deal:

🚨BREAKING🚨Qatar has told all Hams officials in the country: You are no longer welcome here. Leave the country immediately.

https://x.com/jewishwarrior13/status/1854912018299388110?s=61

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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #3161 on: November 08, 2024, 10:30:16 AM »
If true, Trump wins again!


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WSJ: Hamas torture tapes
« Reply #3163 on: November 12, 2024, 07:58:12 AM »


Gaza’s Forgotten Palestinian Victims
Who will protest on behalf of the dissidents tortured by Hamas?
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Nov. 11, 2024 5:48 pm ET




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Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip Yahya Sinwar in 2017 Photo: Khalil Hamra/Associated Press
You won’t see any street protests over it. No encampments on campus. Video evidence of the torture of Palestinians in Gaza elicits little reaction in the West—perhaps because the torture was carried out by Hamas.

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On Sunday the Israel Defense Forces released a 47-minute montage of Hamas interrogations from CCTV footage that its troops discovered in Gaza. Israel says it found thousands of hours of footage, which are from 2018-20 and show “Hamas’s brutal methods for interrogating civilians, violating human rights and systematically oppressing residents suspected of opposing the organization’s rule.”

The scenes are repulsive, and they match accounts from victims of Hamas such as gay men, political dissidents and those accused of “collaborating” with Israel. Prisoners are seen in the video with sacks over their heads, chained to floors and ceilings in unnatural positions while they are beaten with canes on the soles of their feet. They writhe in agony while their torturers chat casually and recline—one with his hands folded behind his head.

This is how Hamas acts in peacetime against its own people. Yahya Sinwar, the mastermind of Hamas’s Oct. 7 massacre, got his nickname as “butcher of Khan Younis” for killing Palestinians accused of collaboration. When Hamas took over Gaza in 2007, it threw rivals off roofs. This war has also seen Hamas executing or torturing Palestinians who in some way are alleged to aid Israel or dare voice dissent.

Hamas’s brutality has never seemed to trouble the conscience of the student or activist left in the West. In the same way Bashar al-Assad’s slaughter of thousands of Palestinian civilians in Syria, many of them starved and bombed indiscriminately in Damascus’s Yarmouk district, made no impression. No one gets worked up when Israel can’t be blamed.

That’s one reason the movement that calls itself “pro-Palestine” is better termed “anti-Israel.” Another is its demand that Israel leave Gaza to Hamas rule. When you hear the shout “Free Palestine,” understand what’s left implicit: “for a larger Hamas dictatorship.”

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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #3165 on: November 15, 2024, 10:57:23 AM »
Most Americans know nothing about the truth of the Israel-"Palestinian" conflict because the establishment media endlessly promotes pro-Hamas, pro-Hezbollah, anti-Israel narratives. None of this truth is taught in our public schools, either. Quite the contrary. Arm yourself with these facts to counter anyone you hear spouting these lies.

Top 20 Lies of the Pro-Palestinian Arab Cause
It’s just a start.

November 14, 2024 by Adam Turner


“If you have the facts on your side, hammer the facts.  If you have the law on your side, hammer the law.  If you have neither the facts nor the law, hammer the table.”

The above is an old saying from the legal world.  But it has applications for other matters, as well.

For example, in the foreign policy realm, and for the “Pro-Palestinian Arab Cause.”

As I said in an earlier column, the Palestinian Arab Cause has “jumped the shark” – i.e., it has (long ago) reached its peak and begun a downhill slide to mediocrity or oblivion.

Now, let me take things a step further – the Palestinian Arab Cause has gone so far downhill that it is, officially, a ridiculous cause that makes absolutely no sense anymore – if it ever did – based on the constant untruth’s that its proponents are constantly peddling.

These include the following Top 10 Lies of the Palestinian Arab Cause.

Israel is an apartheid regime. This charge is especially stupid because “apartheid” involves “race”, and there is no “race” implicated here.  Further, Israel is a democracy where its Arab citizens are fully equal under the law.  Now, there are distinctions made between Israeli citizens and the Palestinian Arabs who are not citizens, but this is because Israel has legitimate security needs.

Israel is committing, or attempting to commit, genocide. Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where one party acts with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.  There is absolutely no evidence that Israel intends to destroy the Palestinians, in whole or in part.  This is why the South Africans are having a problem making this claim, even with a biased anti-Israel international court.  Especially since the Palestinian Arab population numbers continue to grow, and the Hamas claimed casualties are dwarfed by those from many other recent conflicts (see the Sudan, the Congo, Syria, etc.)  But Hamas, on the other hand, does routinely call for a genocide of the Jews.

Israel is targeting civilians/or Israel is indiscriminate about its attacks, leading to excessive civilian deaths. No, it certainly isn’t. The civilians who die do so largely because Hamas routinely uses civilians as human shields.  Further, the IDF has made great efforts to minimize civilian casualties, by warning Gazans to leave areas or buildings about to be targeted.  They have done this through about nine million leaflets dropped, fifteen million messages sent, and sixteen million robocalls made.  As a result, the ratio of civilians to terrorist in this conflict is probably approaching one to one, an unprecedented modern ratio, and Israel has been praised for its success in protecting the lives of civilians by noted experts in modern warfare such as Richard Kemp (UK, Ret.) and Major John Spencer (US, Ret.).

The Hamas counted casualties are to be believed. No – in fact, they are “poorly fabricated figures.”  Meanwhile, Israel actually reduced the number of its reported casualties from the October 7th

Israel is the aggressor in this conflict. Not so. The Jewish state has made real peace offers to the Palestinian Arabs in 1993, in 2000, in 2001, in 2005, and in 2008, all immediately answered by vicious and bloody Palestinian terrorism.  Here is former President Bill Clinton taking the Palestinian Arabs to task for their failure to embrace peace during his term.  And Hamas started the current hostilities in a particularly bloodthirsty way on October 7, 2023.

Favoring the Palestinian Arab Cause is in the U.S. national interest. No, it isn’t, as I have explained numerous times before. The Palestinian Arabs are a stateless people. No, Jordan clearly has a majority of Palestinian Arabs, and its Queen is a Palestinian Arab.  Granted, the Palestinian Arab majority does not rule in Jordan; then again, none of the 21 Arab states are democratic.

The conflict needs to be solved soon because the Palestinian Arabs are having more children than the Israelis. No, this is outdated demographic data.  Today, the Israelis have a higher demographic growth than the Palestinian Arabs.

The Palestinian Arabs have a population in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza that is too large to be controlled by Israel. As in everything else, the Palestinian Arabs are simply lying about their numbers.  The UN official population numbers the Palestinian Arabs in those areas at roughly 6 million; in reality, there are probably less than 4 million.

Creating a Palestinian state will lead to the protection of the human rights of Palestinian Arabs. As stated above, none of the 23 Arab states are democracies, and none of them are protective of human rights. A Palestinian Arab state will most certainly be a (possibly theocratic) brutal dictatorship with discriminating policies against women, homosexuals, and Christians.

Plus, as an extra (sad) bonus, here are another Top 10 Lies of the Palestinian Arab Cause, because there are just so many to debunk.

The Palestinian Arabs are the indigenous people in Israel and the Jews are the settlers. No – absolutely not. The Palestinian Arabs are mostly descended from Arabs and others who immigrated to the area from other Muslim areas in response to the economic job opportunities created by the return of many Jews to the area in the 1900’s.  Only a very small percentage of the Palestinian Arabs are native to Israel, Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, and those are descended from the original Jewish, Christian, or Samaritan inhabitants who were forcibly converted to Islam.  Meanwhile, a majority of the Jews in Israel are descended from Middle Eastern Jews, who were exiled from Israel but stayed in the Middle East, and who are physically indistinguishable from Arabs.  The minority Ashkenazi Jews, who are often portrayed as European settlers, are descended from Jews from ancient Israel, but with some European influence, from living in Europe for so long.  Their original Middle Eastern origin can easily be seen in the physical appearance of two prominent Ashkenazi Jews – Adam Sandler and Gal Gadot.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is responsible for the lack of a ceasefire deal. As Eli Lake at Commentary has written, “(t)here was no deal for Netanyahu to reject.  Hamas is not participating in the actual negotiations.  The diplomacy has been between America, Israel, Egypt, and Qatar.  The Qataris are stand-ins for Hamas, but they are not proxies.  Several times since April, Hamas has rejected offers for a cease-fire, or in some cases, has insisted on last-minute deal-killing demands—such as a stipulation that the first round of hostages need not be alive.”  And President Biden’s claims to the contrary are driven by American politics and contradicted by his own administration’s previous statements (and by other evidence).

Israel is violating international law. Once again, this is simply not true. This subtopic is actually worthy of its own, separate, research paper.  Suffice to say, international law has been misrepresented – does anyone understand what “proportionality” really means? – to attack Israel through lawfare.

Gaza was occupied by the Israelis prior to the October 7th massacre. The Merriam-Websterdefinition of “occupation” is: “a: the act or process of taking possession of a place or area: SEIZURE; b: the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force; OR c: the military force occupying a country or the policies carried out by it.”  Therefore, Gaza has not been “occupied” by Israel, according to the actual meaning of the word, since 2005.

Gaza was an “open-air prison” before the October 7th Proponents of the Palestinian Arab Cause say, at different times, to make different arguments, that “the Gaza of Oct. 6, 2023, was occupying its very own quantum superposition — at once both sublime utopia and horrific dystopia. Depending on the context, either of these versions could be the true Gaza that proves the specific argument trying to be made.”  Just call this Schrödinger’s Gaza.

The Gazans were suffering from an Israeli caused famine. As reported by JNS, “the U.N.’s own Famine Review Committee admitted in a report that the claims about not enough food being sent into Gaza were untrue.  What’s more, this allegation, which is at the heart of the equally widespread big lie that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians, is a matter of sleight of hand bookkeeping.”  And many of the pictures of supposedly starving children are children with genetic diseases.  This can often be seen by contrasting the appearance of the healthy parent with the “starving” child in the picture.

Hamas is legitimate nationalistic organization seeking a Palestinian state. Not at all. As is well-known, Hamas is a part of the international Muslim Brotherhood terror organization, which also briefly ruled over neighboring Egypt.  Hamas is also a terror proxy of Iran, a nation which is the leading state sponsor of terrorism, and which has provided Hamas with billions in funding for weapons, training and equipment.

The Palestinians have – and should have – been given nation status at the UN. The only problem with this action is that “State of Palestine” is not an actual state/nation. According to the international treaty, the Montevideo Convention on Rights and Duties of States, Article 1, the state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a) a permanent population; b) a defined territory; c) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.  Since the “State of Palestine” does not have these qualifications, it is not a “State.”

The Palestinian Authority is the “moderate” force among Palestinian Arabs. As I wrote over a decade ago – and it is still true today – the Palestinian Authority: uses their various cultural, educational, and media sources to undermine the peace process with Israel; uses their children’s shows and elementary schools to incite Palestinian children to kill Israelis, including women and children, and Jews; produces government officials, from the President down to their diplomatic envoys, who spread anti-Semitism throughout the world; names streets, buildings, and squares after terrorists who have killed Israelis and Jews; sells and teaches Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion; smuggles arms, rockets and explosives into Judea and Samaria to be used to attack Israeli cities and farms; praises, pays and otherwise honors Palestinian terrorists, and their families, who kill Israelis, Jews, and even Americans; is duplicitous about its desire for war; and denies the Holocaust, while calling for another one, and allows Holocaust deniers to serve as their leaders.  In other words, the PA is not in any way “moderate.”

After October 7th, now is the time to favor the Palestinian Arab Cause. This would, perversely, incentivize international terrorism by rewarding the Palestinian Arabs with a state after a bloodthirsty and vicious act of terrorism by Hamas, a designated terror organization. No nation on this planet should want to do that.

The amount of lies and double talk by the proponents of the Palestinian Arab Cause is staggering.  Their whole cause seems to be grounded solely in anti-Israel and anti-American propaganda, and not on actual facts.  Which is why its proponents often resort to violence and intimidation in their tactics; not having the law or the facts on their side, they need to “pound the table.”

So, I would like to end with a final question to objective readers.  It is simple – if the Palestinian Arab Cause is so righteous, then why is every prominent argument in favor of it a lie?

Adam Turner is a national-security professional with two decades of experience who works for the Zionist Organization of America.
"You have enemies?  Good.  That means that you have stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill.

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« Reply #3166 on: November 15, 2024, 11:02:30 AM »
Good useful summary for educating the un and mis-informed.