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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1900 on: February 24, 2017, 03:08:57 PM »
CNN true to form tries to attack Trump for leaving them out.

Why should he invite them.  They are 24 /7 trying to attack him and delegitamize him.  So they have the chuzpah to question him when he doesn't feel like be gracious to them.

He ain't going to win them over no matter what he does , unless he turns into a total liberal over night , so why bother.

I say good for him.

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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1901 on: February 24, 2017, 03:17:14 PM »
CNN true to form tries to attack Trump for leaving them out.

Why should he invite them.  They are 24 /7 trying to attack him and delegitamize him.  So they have the chuzpah to question him when he doesn't feel like be gracious to them.

He ain't going to win them over no matter what he does , unless he turns into a total liberal over night , so why bother.

I say good for him.

I echo that sentiment.

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Re: Chris Cuomo of CNN
« Reply #1904 on: February 25, 2017, 05:36:29 AM »

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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1906 on: February 25, 2017, 03:21:15 PM »
Good .  It has become a self serving narcissistic farce anyway.



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Fox's O'Reilly burned?
« Reply #1908 on: February 26, 2017, 11:01:15 AM »

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Fake news exposed
« Reply #1910 on: February 27, 2017, 03:48:39 PM »
second post:

Some juicy inside baseball here:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/fake-news-exposed/article/2006996


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« Last Edit: February 27, 2017, 09:35:07 PM by Crafty_Dog »


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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1914 on: February 27, 2017, 09:36:29 PM »
CCP:  See my post earlier today #1910, it is directly on point with your post.

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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1916 on: February 28, 2017, 04:59:36 AM »
"CCP:  See my post earlier today #1910, it is directly on point with your post."

Indeed I did see that and seeing her name mentioned led me to do a search on her and thus my post of 1912.

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A witty term
« Reply #1917 on: February 28, 2017, 09:42:19 AM »
"The Mediacalypse"

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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1919 on: March 01, 2017, 05:07:52 AM »
From above article

I saw this in first paragragh:

"For crying out loud, the guy became a political fixture in the Republican Party by promoting the racist lie of birtherism."

I read this and decided not to continue reading the article .

Right the fact that Obamas past was murky his publisher noted he was born in Kenya and he refused to show us his birth certificate for years had nothing to do with it.  right

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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1920 on: March 01, 2017, 09:21:00 AM »

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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1921 on: March 06, 2017, 07:10:54 AM »
I could swear this is almost the exact same article as about one month ago trying to make a case against Reince (from the Left wing news outlet of course):

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-reince-priebus-white-house-235703



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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1924 on: March 06, 2017, 06:34:14 PM »
The webcam really doesn't show anything.  So Steve Bannon points his finger - so what ?


"Would they have done this to Obama? We all know the answer."

Doesn't the POTUS have an expectation of privacy *in* the oval office?

Where is the SS?


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Awesome Rant by Pat Cadell in 2012
« Reply #1925 on: March 10, 2017, 10:09:26 AM »

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CNN today's daily dose of fake news
« Reply #1926 on: March 11, 2017, 07:19:00 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/10/politics/us-attorneys-resignation/

Now read this and try to not be outraged over the phony nature of the CNN "scandal".   We need to start holding reporters accountable:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445696/jeff-sessions-us-attorneys-firing-isnt-scandalous

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NYTimes bias
« Reply #1927 on: March 14, 2017, 11:12:24 AM »
In discussions with liberal friends, it came up that the NY Times has no bias.  If an admitted liberal sees no bias, maybe the paper's bias matches his or her own.

Meanwhile, conservatives say they don't need to open to the opinion page of the NY Times, the opinions are all over the front page!

One part of bias is when media select stories to support their own narrative, the narrative that supports their person or agenda.  An easier way for a liberal to see that is to turn to the Drudge Report or Brietbart and look at which stories tend to go to print, often stories that support Trump.   But Brietbart and Drudge aren't held up by anyone as  mainstream, unbiased, professional sources, the way that the NY Times, Washington Post, CBS News etc. are.

The other component of bias is to look at what doesn't get covered in 'mainstream media' such as the NY Times.  The most recent examples of the last 8 years would be almost any scandal of the Obama administration.  I am amazed by how many liberals who follow national news closely everyday have never heard of Fast and Furious or think IRS targeting didn't happen.

Fast and Furious to them, if it existed at all, was a botched law enforcement operation.  Law enforcement? Botched?  'ya think?

You won't find a report in so-called mainstream media that doesn't mention that Eric Holder was exonerated.  
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/opinion/fast-furious-and-foolish.html
Holder exonerated??  It was a major operation in his department, inexplicable, that happened under his watch, and he was 'exonerated' because he had no knowledge of it??  All while being held in Contempt of Congress for blocking inquiry.  

But who cares about Eric Holder.  The US government under President Obama sold and placed arms across national borders for no good reason with no controls on it and that killed people in Mexico and came back to kill us.  If this happened today, every story would point to Trump and the "Trump Administration", front page, and he would face impeachment and resignation pressures.  Does anyone doubt that?

Then there was Benghazi talking points and after the election we learn they deserve 'investigation'.  Investigation??  Did they look at Hillary's emails or the President's unsecured messages to her unsecured server?  No.  They had no clue and the administration had no investigation, only blocked the ones in Congress.   http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/us/politics/feinstein-to-investigate-benghazi-talking-points.html
The Monday morning headline after the Sunday morning talk show episode should have read:
"Obama Administration lied to the Nation About Terror Attack That Killed Ambassador"
That is, unless the NY Times really didn't know what really happened a week after the attack. We know who put Susan Rice up to that; the President and Secretary of State made the same false insinuations.

Skip to the largest scandal of the Obama administration, IRS targeting.  Since at least 1791, equal treatment under the law has been the law of the land and that liberty may not be denied without due process. (cf. 5th amendment)  And yet it was - without consequence.  I hate Hitler and Nazi analogies but who else, maybe the communists ruling China, forcibly stops their political opponents from organizing and participating in opposition to their own reelection.   Nowhere is this allowed in the world of countries we consider to have consent of the governed, except in the US, under Obama, and under the watchful eye if our mainstream media.  Again, the head of the department and the head of the nation are exonerated for having no knowledge of what happened under their direction, and that was determined by having no investigation.  

Hundreds and hundreds of conservative groups were blocked from equal political participation by force of law while the IRS commissioner was cleared for visits to the White House 157 times, compared with his predecessor visiting twice - yet no one had any knowledge.  And no one paid a price.  Lois Lerner plead the 5th, meaning what?  The answers to the questions would all incriminate her.  And the scandal died there.

The IRS admitted it (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/irs-admits-targeting-conservatives-for-tax-scrutiny-in-2012-election/2013/05/10/3b6a0ada-b987-11e2-92f3-f291801936b8_story.html?utm_term=.9ba5c260fbbc) and the NY Times prints this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/us/politics/republicans-call-for-irs-inquiry-after-disclosure.html
"I.R.S. Focus on Conservatives gives G.O.P an Issue to Seize on"

The GOP may gain some political advantage from having been victim of the worst political crime of our republic?  That's the story?? And it's in the "politics" section of the NY Times?!  Is that what deprivation of unalienable fundamental rights is, political?

Did they then go out and interview ANYONE about what it felt like to be inside one of the 426 groups admittedly blocked?  NO.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/282307-irs-targeted-426-groups-report

I wonder if the New York Times covered the Japanese-American internment camp chapter in our history with a headline about what political advantage these victims might gain from it?!
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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1929 on: March 16, 2017, 11:07:13 AM »
a) the felony would be by the IRS agent, not Maddow;

b) in that the actual document apparently was stamped "client copy", there is a plausible inference that the document came from Team Trump, thus no felony;

c) yes there are journalists who solicit felonious behavior by government employees

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Twoweeksagonews.com
« Reply #1930 on: March 18, 2017, 10:16:57 PM »
As recommended on Tucker Carlson-- this site looks quite promising!

www.twoweeksagonews.com



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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1934 on: March 26, 2017, 04:03:35 PM »
Hannity is is a partisan but has ALWAYS been up front about it and never tries to hide it. 


I cannot say the same for Koppel.

How could Hannity do so much damage if he did not often speak the truth.

Some people obviously agree with him.

The deplorables - all those who do not agree with the libs and their world view being forced down all out throats.

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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1935 on: March 26, 2017, 04:53:40 PM »
FWIW apparently Koppel has written a pretty good book on our serious vulnerabilities to Cyberwar, EMP, etc.


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MSNBC and Sean Spicer
« Reply #1937 on: March 29, 2017, 05:28:05 PM »
Spicer rightly stands up to reporter's attack line of questioning and of course he is being racist sexist and the rest
and the criminal who lost the last election is already at it again running for '20:

https://pjmedia.com/video/msnbc-panel-devolves-into-utter-chaos-over-sean-spicers-racism/
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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1939 on: April 01, 2017, 01:20:09 PM »
Same pattern. Have your party members show up to a "town hall" with scripted points and then scream and  yell and complain , tip off local LEFTIST media so they can dutifully  show up to  tape the whole thing and then post all over the Associated depressed  airwaves to pump up  the "resistance and hatred " for Republicans :

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-rep-chris-stewart-booed-salt-lake-city-031547970--politics.html
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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1940 on: April 01, 2017, 01:28:48 PM »
Same pattern. Have your party members show up to a "town hall" with scripted points and then scream and  yell and complain , tip off local LEFTIST so they can dutifully  show up to  tape the whole thing and then post all over the Associated depressed  airwaves to pump up  the "resistance and hatred " for Republicans :

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-rep-chris-stewart-booed-salt-lake-city-031547970--politics.html

All stage produced by Soros money, most likely. Almost every "grassroots" movement from the left has turned out to be astroturf.

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Corrupt NYT and Bloomberg
« Reply #1941 on: April 04, 2017, 05:29:30 AM »
hid their knowledge that Susan Rice was involved in Trump surveillance and release of names:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-03/cernovich-explains-how-he-learned-about-susan-rice

We all know the leftist media is totally dishonest and cover for their LEFTIST pols.


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Re: Corrupt NYT and Bloomberg
« Reply #1942 on: April 04, 2017, 07:18:01 AM »
hid their knowledge that Susan Rice was involved in Trump surveillance and release of names:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-03/cernovich-explains-how-he-learned-about-susan-rice
We all know the leftist media is totally dishonest and cover for their LEFTIST pols.

The media was sitting on these stories??

That's how Drudge broke through.  He had sources in news rooms, published what they wouldn't - starting with the Lewinsky affair.

As this story breaks out, it raises more and more questions.  Who in the administration knew? PRESIDENT OBAMA, for one, and who knew in the media - playing along with the left talking points, like Candy Crowley after Benghazi.

It is quite sad that a guy like Donald Trump turns out to be more honest than the New York Times, Bloomberg and CBS combined.

'Just think of them as Democratic operatives with bylines and it all makes sense.'  - Instapundit

Should read, dishonest Democratic operatives with bylines, but maybe that is redundant.

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Re: Media or the 'right' get it wrong too, Tucker Carlson, Peggy Noonan
« Reply #1943 on: April 06, 2017, 07:09:46 AM »
Stop using false facts and fake news of the left.  Famous people NOT reading the forum.
Please see economics and political economics threads for the debunking of Piketty-Saez.
Also the implication that a penalizing investment doesn't hurt income from labor is denial of science.
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Tucker Carlson & Peggy Noonan Mimic Piketty & Saez
By ALAN REYNOLDS
https://www.cato.org/blog/tucker-carlson-peggy-noonan-mimic-thomas-piketty-emmanuel-saez

In a recent Wall Street Journal column defending Obamacare 3.8% surtax on investment income on joint returns above $250,000, Peggy Noonan ends by quoting Tucker Carlson’s Fox News interview with Paul Ryan which questioned the now-suspended health plan’s elimination of that surtax:

“Looking at the last election, was the message of that election really, ‘We need to help investors?’ I mean, the Dow is over 20,000. Are they really the group that needs the help?…“The overview here is that all the wealth, basically, in the last 10 years, has stuck to the top end. That’s one of the reasons we’ve had all the political turmoil, as you know. And so, kind of a hard sell to say ‘Yeah, we’re gonna repeal Obamacare, but we’re gonna send more money to the people who’ve already gotten the richest over the last 10 years.’ I mean, that’s what this does, no? I’m not a leftist, it’s just—that’s true.”

Mr. Carlson used the word “wealth” rather than income. He said, “all the wealth …  in the last 10 years, has stuck to the top end.”  He surely meant income, however, since the latest wealth estimate from the Survey of Consumer Finance was in 2013, and wealth of the top 1%, like income of the top 1%, clearly fell from 2007 to 2013. Despite “shared prosperity” Clinton campaign chatter, there were no gains to share. John Weicher at the Hudson Institute notes that, “Between 2007 and 2013, the poor became poorer, but so did the rich and the people in between.”

Tucker Carlson is not a leftist and neither is Peggy Noonan. Yet to define what is “true” about income growth over 10 years, they are relying wholeheartedly on the socialist team of French economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez. 

When media celebrities disparage the “top end” they do not mean Fox News anchors (who earn millions); they mean the “Top 1%” who earned more than $442,900 in 2015 according to Piketty and Saez.  When claiming all the gains over the last 10 years have “stuck to” the top 1%, Carlson appears to have accepted the same source Hillary Clinton abused when she claimed “more than 90 percent of [income] gains have gone to the top 1 percent.”   

What “stuck to the top end,” to use Tucker Carlson’s phrase, is the Top 1% share of gains since 2009.  Prior losses are forgotten.  The “last 10 years” is simply redefined as starting with 2009, not 2007.

In the latest version of this ruse, Saez says, “Top 1% families … capture[d] 52% of total real income growth per family from 2009-2015.”  Of the many deceptions the Piketty-Saez team has inflicted on us over the years, this one may well be the most politically popular and most economically ridiculous. It has fooled many fools.

What goes unmentioned, is that the Top 1% first “captured” 49% of the losses from 2007 to 2009.  Students of New Math might imagine the 52% gain from 2009 to 2015 compensated for the 49% loss from 2007 to 2009, but that deserves an “F” grade (because the 52% gain is calculated from a much smaller base).

Avg Income of Top 1 Percent

The graph shows what actually happened to average pretax incomes of the Top 1%, as estimated by Piketty and Saez.

From 2007 to 2015, average real incomes of the Top 1% fell by 11.9%, even before taxes.

Top incomes fell much more after taxes because top tax rates were increased from 35% to 39.6% in 2013, the arbitrary and discriminatory 1990 PEP/Pease limits on exemptions and deductions were restored, and an extra 3.8% Obamacare surtax was inflicted on those supposedly privileged stockholders. 

When conservative media commentators rely on deceptive leftist statistics to make their points, they might as well be leftists.

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Stand back, professional journalists at work!
« Reply #1944 on: April 07, 2017, 01:08:23 PM »
Layers of fact checkers and editors! With credentials!

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/politifact-retracts-mostly-true-ruling-u-s-removed-100-percent-syrias-chemical-weapons/


PolitiFact Retracts ‘Mostly True’ Ruling That U.S. Removed ‘100 Percent’ of Syria’s Chemical Weapons
'Subsequent events have proved John Kerry wrong'

BY: Alex Griswold 
April 6, 2017 10:56 am

Fact-checking website PolitiFact on Wednesday retracted a 2014 article that found it "Mostly True" the Obama administration helped broker a deal that successfully removed "100 percent" of chemical weapons from Syria.

"We struck a deal where we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out," then-Secretary of State John Kerry said on NBC's "Meet the Press" in July 2014. Kerry was referring to a deal the U.S. and Russia struck in September 2013 in which the Russians agreed to help confiscate and then destroy Syria's entire chemical weapons stockpile.

When making its ruling, PolitiFact cited a statement from Ahmet Üzümcü, director general of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.

"The last of the remaining chemicals identified for removal from Syria were loaded this afternoon aboard the Danish ship Ark Futura," Üzümcü said in June 2014.

In the end, PolitiFact called Kerry's claim "Mostly True" because there were still discrepancies between how many chemical weapons Syria claimed to have and how many outside observers claimed the country had.

"There are still 12 former chemical weapon production facilities which need to be destroyed," one human rights worker told the site.

Nearly three years after Kerry's comment, a chemical weapons attack devastated a rebel-controlled village in northern Syria, killing somewhere between 70 and 100 noncombatants, including dozens of children. The United States has fingered Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as the perpetrator of the attack.

The next day, PolitiFact pulled its earlier fact-check "because we now have many unanswered questions."

"We don't know key details about the reported chemical attack in Syria on April 4, 2017, but it raises two clear possibilities: Either Syria never fully complied with its 2013 promise to reveal all of its chemical weapons; or it did, but then converted otherwise non-lethal chemicals to military uses," the site wrote.

"One way or another, subsequent events have proved Kerry wrong," PolitiFact concluded.

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Re: Stand back, professional journalists at work! PolitiFact
« Reply #1945 on: April 09, 2017, 08:16:24 AM »
We already knew these phony 'fact checkers' are Democrat operatives with self-appointed titles, but this kind of thing exposes that fact check for everyone.

Who awards truth to something like the Clinton Administration ending nuclear weapons in North with words and gifts the Obama Administration ending the nuclear threat in Iran with words and cash, or believing that Putin was going to remove weapons from his Middle East ally?

Only a dishonest partisan could believe those kinds of statements.

You can keep your doctor and keep your health plan if you like it too. 'We are fact checkers and we know it's true because we want to believe it and our Democratic leaders said it is so.'  A better indication is that they are lying when their lips move.

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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues
« Reply #1946 on: April 09, 2017, 08:53:20 AM »

"Who awards truth to something like the Clinton Administration ending nuclear weapons in North with words and gifts the Obama Administration ending the nuclear threat in Iran with words and cash, or believing that Putin was going to remove weapons from his Middle East ally?"

With the horrors yet to come, this will be Obama's true legacy.


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Re: Media, Ministry of Truth Issues, The Dopes at Snopes
« Reply #1947 on: April 10, 2017, 10:13:58 AM »
"Who awards truth to something like the Clinton Administration ending nuclear weapons in North with words and gifts the Obama Administration ending the nuclear threat in Iran with words and cash, or believing that Putin was going to remove weapons from his Middle East ally?"

With the horrors yet to come, this will be Obama's true legacy.

From famous people reading the forum to just great minds thinking alike...

While we were writing about the partisan peabrains at PolitiFact, Steven Hayward at Powerline followed up with a post called "The Dopes at Snopes".  )

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/04/the-dopes-at-snopes.php

He writes about the gender pay inequity over at Thin Lizzies's office (Elizabeth Warren) where they pay women 71 cents to the men's dollar.  They use all the same logic to justify Elizabeth Warren's misogyny that applies to the economy as a whole, why the whole fake news issue is bogus:

Fairly comparing pay rates between men and women who work in Senator Warren’s office is therefore a challenge because not many of her staffers hold the same job titles, and even among those who do, pay discrepancies between men and women are not obvious when education and experience are factored in.

That explanation should be used to give Warren 4 pinnochios, not against her critics pointing out her hypocrisy.

It's a shame the self appointed fact checkers are no better at it and no more accurate or unbiased than the rest of the media and politicians they cover.


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Re: Media, WSJ Bret Stephens moving to NY Times
« Reply #1949 on: April 13, 2017, 06:18:33 AM »