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A different take on the zero refugees by Saudi Arabia et al
« Reply #1001 on: November 23, 2015, 08:36:24 AM »
Putting aside the tendentious tone of the author, does he have a point?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anhvinh-doanvo/europes-crisis-refugees_b_8175924.html

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Re: A different take on the zero refugees by Saudi Arabia et al
« Reply #1002 on: November 23, 2015, 03:03:27 PM »
Putting aside the tendentious tone of the author, does he have a point?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anhvinh-doanvo/europes-crisis-refugees_b_8175924.html

I doubt it. The Saudis are very nervous about their security environment now. The last thing they want is to import unvettable military age males or black widows. The author is most likely acting as a paid or unpaid press flak for the Saudis, IMHO.

http://saudiembassy.net/press-releases/press09111501.aspx

Saudi Arabia Received 2.5 Million Syrians since Beginning of Conflict
September 11, 2015

(Washington, DC) – The Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement today addressing the Kingdom’s efforts to support the Syrian people. Saudi Arabia has been one of the largest providers of aid to Syria’s people, and has taken in millions of citizens from the war-torn country.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs explained that the following actions have been taken by Saudi Arabia:

    The Kingdom has received around 2.5 million Syrians since the beginning of the conflict. In order to ensure their dignity and safety, the Kingdom adopted the policy not to treat them as refugees or place them in refugee camps. They have been given the freedom to move about the country, and those who wish to remain in Saudi Arabia (some hundreds of thousands) have been given legal residency status like the remaining residents. Their residency comes with the rights to receive free medical care, to join the labor market and to attend schools and universities. This was contained in a royal decree in 2012 that instructed public schools to accept Syrian students. According to government statistics, the public school system has accepted more than 100,000 Syrian students.

    The Kingdom’s efforts were not limited to accepting our Syrian brothers and sisters after their crisis; it also extended its efforts to support and care for millions of Syrian refugees in neighboring countries such as Jordan, Lebanon and others.  Efforts included providing humanitarian assistance in coordination with the host governments and with international human aid organizations. Aid was provided in the form of money and goods.

    The aid provided by Saudi Arabia to the Syrian people totals around $700 million, according to the statistics of the Third International Humanitarian Pledging Conference for Syria, which took place in Kuwait on March 31, 2015. Government aid and aid provided by the National Campaign are included in that figure.

    Humanitarian aid provided to Syrians by the Kingdom consisted of food and medical, academic, and residential supplies, and included the establishment of Saudi specialized clinics in refugee camps, most importantly the Zaatari Camp in Jordan. The Kingdom was able to provide medical care in the form of immunizations, preventive treatments and medical procedures. In addition, Saudi Arabia sponsored a large number of Syrian families living in Lebanon and Syria (specifically paying for their rent and living costs).



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Re: Immigration issues, Syrian refugees
« Reply #1003 on: November 24, 2015, 08:57:16 AM »
Let's be clear, these refugees aren't all terrorists. 

Factoring the survey results (http://english.dohainstitute.org/file/Get/40ebdf12-8960-4d18-8088-7c8a077e522e) with the 10,000 Syrian refugees Obama plans to bring to the United States means Obama will bring in 1,300 ISIS supporters and a total of 3,100 who do not want the US to defeat ISIS.

Survey has margin of error + or - 4%.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/shock-poll-third-of-syrian-refugees-isis-sympathizers-13-percent-support/

What could possibly go wrong?

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1004 on: November 24, 2015, 12:07:04 PM »
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Re: Immigration issues, Syrian refugees
« Reply #1005 on: November 24, 2015, 02:14:43 PM »
Let's be clear, these refugees aren't all terrorists. 

Factoring the survey results (http://english.dohainstitute.org/file/Get/40ebdf12-8960-4d18-8088-7c8a077e522e) with the 10,000 Syrian refugees Obama plans to bring to the United States means Obama will bring in 1,300 ISIS supporters and a total of 3,100 who do not want the US to defeat ISIS.

Survey has margin of error + or - 4%.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/shock-poll-third-of-syrian-refugees-isis-sympathizers-13-percent-support/

What could possibly go wrong?

Islam is a religion of peace!

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Global refugees go through Latin America to US. Refugees join Jihad against US
« Reply #1006 on: November 25, 2015, 10:04:15 AM »
Two separate stories:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/syrian-refugees-central-america-routes-cuban-migrants
Global refugees take long detours through Latin America to reach the US

A liberal friend recently told me something to the effect that this is urban legend propagated by conservative imaginations.
The Guardian is a liberal newspaper.

Yes, we should crack down on visas and visa overstays too, in addition to border security and smarter legal immigration choices.
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Sen Sessions is out with a list of 15 vetted refugees who quickly joined jihad plots to attack the United States
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/24/sen-sessions-reveals-15-refugee-jihadis-hopes-shrink-obamas-2016-refugee-budget/



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Keeping the commies out?
« Reply #1007 on: November 25, 2015, 11:47:10 AM »
IIRC back in the 50s and 60s we kept Communists from coming to America.  What was the legal framework used?  Does it still exist?

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Probably will see much more of this
« Reply #1008 on: December 02, 2015, 08:12:58 AM »
This could go under the health thread but I believe this should go along with the immigrant thread. 

Humans act as the reservoirs as well as other animals and the bug is the vector.  Almost no question we will see more of the disease here not only due to immigrants infected with it but due to the insect picking it up from these immigrants and then transmitting to us natives.  I suppose the left will say it is revenge for smallpox that wiped out the Indians.

Guarantee the political CDC will downplay or deny any immigrant link however.  Notice the corrupt NPR of course blames dogs.

But this ain't no coincidence:
 
Chagas in US: 'Kissing Bugs' Becoming a Growing Concern, Report Says
 
 By Clyde Hughes   |    Monday, 28 Jul 2014 11:07 AM

 
The so-called "kissing bug," an insect that carries a deadly parasite that can cause Chagas disease, is becoming a growing concern in the United States, especially in Texas and Virginia.

 Though the bugs are native to Mexico and Central and South America — there are an estimated 8 million people infected there — more and more cases are popping up in the U.S., according to The Atlantic.

 Cardiologist Dr. Rachel Marcus told the news site that northern Virginia, in particular, could be "ground zero" for Chagas disease because of increasing number of Bolivian immigrants there.

 Similarly, researchers at Texas A&M told KFDX.com they've discovered kissing bugs in Dallas.

 Kissing bugs, or triatomine insects, transmit a parasite that causes Chagas disease, which, if left untreated, can lead to death. Infected people can live for many years without even knowing they have the disease, the World Health Organization reported. The parasites often live in the heart and digestive muscles, with as many as 30 percent of patients suffering from cardiac disorders and as many as 10 percent suffering from digestive problems.

 Susan Montgomery, of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told The Atlantic that U.S. doctors started hearing more about Chagas disease in 2007 when blood bank workers began screening for the disease.

 Susan Morris, with the Wichita County Public Health District in Texas, told KFDX.com that the kissing bug infestation there is "worse this year because we've been in drought for the past few years and people are really collecting that water so we've had a lot of mosquitoes all over town."

National Public Radio pointed to a study published Wednesday in the science journal Emerging Infectious Diseases that stated that infected dogs are acting as sort of Trojan horses in introducing the Chagas disease in Texas.

 "From shelter mutts to purebred show dogs, canines across the state of Texas are becoming infected with a parasite that causes a potentially deadly disease in people," NPR reported.

 "Although the dogs aren't spreading the parasite directly to people, they are helping to make the disease more prevalent in the southern U.S. Not to mention the parasite can make dogs sick and even kill them."


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Open Borders Moneyon Rubio
« Reply #1010 on: December 19, 2015, 10:54:43 AM »
Open-borders money backs Marco Rubio    

By Michelle Malkin  •  December 17, 2015 07:35 PM


Open-borders money backs Marco Rubio
 by Michelle Malkin

 Copyright 2015

Political analysis of the Las Vegas debate immigration dust-up between Sens. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio is missing a key ingredient: the money factor.

You can read the lips of the candidates till the cows come home. But you’ll get to the truth much faster when you learn where pro-amnesty power brokers have placed their bets and hitched their wagons.

Rubio’s brazenly fraudulent campaign to paint Cruz as soft on illegal immigration is a flabbergasting attempt to distract from the Florida junior senator’s faithful allegiance to the open-borders donor class.

Here’s what you need to know:

Facebook, Microsoft and Silicon Valley back Marco Rubio. Mark Zuckerberg is a social justice CEO who panders to Hispanics with his pro-amnesty, anti-deportation advocacy; Facebook is an H-1B visa dependent company working hard to obliterate hurdles to hiring an unlimited stream of cheap foreign tech workers. It’s no coincidence that Facebook’s lobbying outfit, FWD.us, was waging war on Sen. Cruz online this week in parallel with Sen. Rubio’s disingenuous onstage attack.

The D.C. front group, which Zuckerberg seeded in 2013 with nearly $40 million during the Gang of Eight fight, has consistently provided political protection for Rubio as he carried their legislative water.

FWD.us’s GOP subsidiary, “Americans for a Conservative Direction,” showered Rubio and pro-illegal alien amnesty Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., with millions of dollars in media ad buys. The group also funded a deceptive, $150,000 ad campaign for immigration sellout Rep. Renee Ellmers, R-N.C., which falsely claimed she opposed amnesty to help her fend off a primary challenge. In all, FWD.us spent an estimated $5 million on TV and radio spots in more than 100 GOP districts before the Senate passed the Gang of Eight bill in June 2013.

Zuckerberg personally donated to Rubio, as have pro-H-1B expansionist Silicon Valley CEOs from Oracle, Cisco and Seagate. Microsoft, founded by leading H-1B/amnesty cheerleader Bill Gates, has been Rubio’s No. 2 corporate donor the past five years.

Paul Singer backs Marco Rubio. The hedge fund billionaire announced his support for Rubio in October. Amnesty is and always has been a top agenda item for Singer, who helped fund the National Immigration Forum along with fellow hedge fund billionaire George Soros. NIF propped up a faux “grass-roots” initiative of religious conservatives, dubbed the Evangelical Immigration Table, to lobby for the Gang of Eight.

NIF was founded by far-left attorney Rick Swartz, who opposes tracking/deporting visa overstayers and opposes employer sanctions against companies that violated immigration laws. Swartz also served as an advisor to Microsoft.

The Singer/Soros-funded NIF helped sabotage the Immigration Act of 1990, which was intended to impose modest restrictions on immigration, and turned it into “one of the most expansionist immigration bills ever passed,” as one expert put it. On Capitol Hill, Swartz worked closely with immigration expansionist Sen. Spencer Abraham’s legislative director Cesar Conda and Sen. Sam Brownback’s legislative director (now GOP House speaker) Paul Ryan—-who is busy this holiday season fronting an omnibus bill that will open the floodgates to 250,000 unskilled foreign guest workers.

Side note: Beltway establishment fixture Conda previously worked for the pro-amnesty U.S. Chamber of Commerce and mentored Ryan from the age of 19. Conda guided newbie Rubio as his Senate chief of staff from 2011-2014 and remains his powerful immigration Svengali behind closed doors.

Rove/Bush-tied front groups back Marco Rubio. The American Action Network is a Big Business GOP lobbying organization led by former Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., and co-founded with John McCain adviser/fundraiser Fred Malek. AAN shares [clarification: shared] its offices with amnesty peddler Karl Rove’s American Crossroads in D.C. AAN’s “action arm,” the American Action Forum, was founded in February 2010 and proceeded to spend a whopping $25 million to attack conservatives who opposed amnesty. [Correction: AAN embarked on the anti-conservative spending campaign.] Jeb Bush sat on the AAF board.

In 2013, the group dumped more than $750,000 into primetime, Fox News Channel ad buys pushing the Gang of Eight immigration bill, including $100,000 in ads to support leading GOP voices for amnesty, including, you guessed it, Sen. Marco Rubio.

Open-borders Democrats love Marco Rubio. As Sen. Schumer brayed last month: Rubio “was not only totally committed, he was in that room with us. His fingerprints are all over” the Gang of Eight monstrosity. Indeed, Sens. Durbin and Rubio plotted strategy during early morning workout sessions at the Senate gym.

Rubio hired Enrique Gonzalez, a Democratic donor and partner with the global immigration law firm, Fragomen Del Rey, to be his chief adviser on the bill. Gonzalez specializes in obtaining H-1B guest worker visas (tripled in the Gang of Eight bill) and EB-5 visas for wealthy foreign investors. After the bill passed, Gonzalez returned to his law firm as managing partner of the Florida office, where he brags about his role as Rubio’s “special counsel” and “principal advisor/negotiator”—read: bill writer.

Bottom line?

Cruz kept his promise to voters. He voted against the Gang of Eight giveaway. Period.

Rubio broke his promise: He paid lip service to border security and the American Dream, while scheming with Sens. Schumer and Durbin on the 180,000-word, 1,200-page Christmas tree for Big Biz, Big Tech and ethnic lobbyists.

Rubio didn’t just vote for the bill. He and his staff were integral to crafting it, shilling for it, and cashing in on the legislative boondoggle dubbed a “permanent pension plan for immigration lawyers.”

When you need the truth about which Beltway crapweasels are selling out America, always follow the money.
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1012 on: December 21, 2015, 09:26:20 PM »
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1014 on: December 22, 2015, 07:25:42 AM »
Some powerful words thrown around in the immigration debate:

Undocumented
Illegal
Deportation
Mass deportation
Self deportation
Border security
Fence
Wall
Visa numbers
Vetting
Visa Overstays
Comprehensive Reform
Amnesty
Legalization
Path to Citizenship

A few comments addressing some of the above:

Undocumented is Orwellian liberal-speak.  They didn't misplace their papers, they snuck in or overstayed in violation of our law.  That we are now debating it means we allowed it.  Now we have to deal with it.

Mass deportation for the most part isn't going to happen with people who are otherwise law-abiding, productive and long established here.  Those who say otherwise need to describe specifically how they will accomplish mass deportation and how that policy is a general election winner.  Selective, immediate deportation is more plausible.  Who is it that you would round up if elected and how would you do it?  We all deserve to know.

Visa overstays need to be treated like illegal border crossings.  When we don't force an immediate turnback is when this problem festers and we lose.

Amnesty means forgiving the crime with no penalty.  Since it is easy to throw in either a small or substantial penalty in legalization negotiations, the term has no meaning, is widely mis-used and is designed to inflame the debate or impugn the one accused of favoring it.

Legalization equals Citizenship in a slightly more drawn out way.  If you allow large numbers of illegals to become legal, stay permanently and not have a 'path to citizenship', then the Democrats win three times.  These future Dem voters are no longer illegal.  Dems keep the issue to keep pounding Republicans on, and anyone living here legally and permanently and not allowed to vote is therefore a victim of discrimination so they will eventually win that 'right' and be even more loyal to Democrats by the time they do.

Let's argue out the policy proposal differences on realistic, political terms.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1015 on: December 23, 2015, 07:26:14 PM »
I wonder if DHS sends them postcards to notify them of eviction first or just announce in the newspapers.  The Post will be out there with their cameras decrying the inhumanity of it all and the MSM will playing up that angle to and the racial card and the women and children card:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-plans-raids-to-deport-families-who-surged-across-border/2015/12/23/034fc954-a9bd-11e5-8058-480b572b4aae_story.html

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1016 on: December 23, 2015, 10:00:06 PM »
I think they should all get full citizenship.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1017 on: December 24, 2015, 10:57:09 AM »
"I think they should all get full citizenship."

Absolutely.  This would be "good" for us and for America!

We all benefit.  :roll:

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1018 on: December 24, 2015, 11:43:09 AM »
And then open the borders for everyone else to come.  And after that, return the Texas, the Southwest and California to Mexico.
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« Reply #1019 on: December 24, 2015, 01:24:04 PM »
I was obviously being sarcastic, because my first comment that I had to delete referencing the Katyn massacre was a little over the top, even by my standards, but yes... they need to go back to where they came from.

Edit: I'm an internment camp and forced repatriation kind of guy.

otherwise...you get people that don't even belong, voting as to how you should live. Nothing American about that at all.
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1020 on: December 24, 2015, 02:38:55 PM »
DDF

I caught it with you.....and added to your sarcasm.

My wife who is 1st gen from San Salvador says send them back.
My son whose ex was Canadian had to go through the process with her. He says send them back.
My neighbor who did it legally says send them back.
The son-in-law who is 1st gen says send them back.
Other relatives with legal spouses say send them back.
The only one who does not say to send them back is a La Raza supporter, and her sister who is an immigration attorney. (She sees the money.)

Everyone in my family and circle of friends did it legally and want the illegals to go back and do it legally.

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« Reply #1021 on: December 24, 2015, 02:42:15 PM »
DDF

I caught it with you.....and added to your sarcasm.

My wife who is 1st gen from San Salvador says send them back.
My son whose ex was Canadian had to go through the process with her. He says send them back.
My neighbor who did it legally says send them back.
The son-in-law who is 1st gen says send them back.
Other relatives with legal spouses say send them back.
The only one who does not say to send them back is a La Raza supporter, and her sister who is an immigration attorney. (She sees the money.)

Everyone in my family and circle of friends did it legally and want the illegals to go back and do it legally.



Word.... been through it too. Come legally or not at all.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1022 on: December 24, 2015, 03:29:44 PM »
DDF wrote:

"I was obviously being sarcastic"

Yes I knew you were.  I was just agreeing with you with more sarcasm in the way of phony leftist and Chamber of Commerce propaganda.  8-)

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Obama trickery?
« Reply #1023 on: December 24, 2015, 05:34:44 PM »
There is something very suspicious here with this sudden announcement about DHS rounding up a trivial number of illegals.  I suspect OBama thinks that this show is going to somehow lay shame and guilt on the Republicans.
I predict it will be welcomed by more people than they think.  Maybe even more than they think by Hispanics who are here legally.   There is obviously political calculation to this.  Obrock is not doing because it is the right thing.  We know that:

*****A political bomb is about to blow up in the Democrats’ faces

 Greg Sargent December 24 at 9:18 AM   

 
U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson (Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

THE MORNING PLUM:

This scoop from Jerry Markon and David Nakamura is going to scramble the politics of immigration in the presidential race, and it may create more problems for Democrats than for Republicans:

The Department of Homeland Security has begun preparing for a series of raids that would target for deportation hundreds of families who have flocked to the United States since the start of last year, according to people familiar with the operation.

The nationwide campaign, to be carried out by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents as soon as early January, would be the first large-scale effort to deport families who have fled violence in Central America, those familiar with the plan said. More than 100,000 families with both adults and children have made the journey across the southwest border since last year, though this migration has largely been overshadowed by a related surge of unaccompanied minors.

The ICE operation would target only adults and children who have already been ordered removed from the United States by an immigration judge, according to officials familiar with the undertaking…The adults and children would be detained wherever they can be found and immediately deported. The number targeted is expected to be in the hundreds and possibly greater.

Read the rest for the details, but the short version is that there has been vigorous internal debate inside the Obama administration about this policy, and it has not been signed off on officially. The administration has long signaled that families crossing over illegally who do not qualify for asylum will be deported. But advocates have been urging the administration to treat these migrants as refugees, because experts believe that violence in Central America is a key reason for their efforts to cross the southern border.

In a preview of more to come, a leading immigration advocate, Frank Sharry of America’s Voice, told me that there will be intense pressure on the Democratic presidential candidates — particularly likely nominee Hillary Clinton — to denounce the new policy. Sharry pointed out that this could force Clinton to decide whether to align with immigration advocates and Latinos, as she’s been doing in hopes of winning the Latino vote by a huge margin in the general election, which would mean breaking with the Obama administration and adopting a position that Republicans will attack as weak on immigration enforcement.

“This will be a political nightmare for the Democrats,” Sharry told me. “The specter of raids picking up families and sending them back to violent countries is going to put Hillary Clinton in a difficult position. She’ll have to choose between protecting refugees from Central America, a demand of the Latino community, or standing with the law-and-order position of Obama and Republicans.”

Clinton has faced a similar predicament before. In 2014, when the crisis of unaccompanied children crossing the border dominated the news, Clinton triggered an outcry from immigration advocates when she suggested that they should be “sent back.” Clinton subsequently clarified her position, arguing that the process should be improved so those children who are genuine refugees would be recognized and treated as such. But the episode called into question whether Clinton can take Latino support for granted.

The new moves also may threaten to blur the contrasts that Democrats have been working hard to draw with Republicans. The rise of Donald Trump — with his call for mass deportations and fondness for insulting millions of immigrants — has helped drag the GOP ever rightward on immigration and has Democrats dreaming of a 2012-level victory among Latinos in 2016, a demographic edge that would be very hard for Republicans to overcome. Sharry suggested that if the Dem nominee doesn’t full-throatedly condemn the new policy, it could compromise the sharp contrast Dems have etched.

Indeed, one can imagine Trump taking credit for the stepped-up deportations at one of his rallies, arguing that, by forcing a conversation about the true nature of the immigrant threat (which he likes to claim credit for doing), he has forced spineless elites to confront it. That could theoretically make it harder for Clinton to align with Obama. “The administration will be accused of being Trump-like with immigrants,” Sharry said. “She’ll have
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1024 on: December 25, 2015, 08:22:00 AM »
This is an attempt to neutralize Trump. Nothing else. Contrary to what the Dems say, they do not want to run against Trump. They would rather have Cruz, who can be easily demonized by his Tea Party connections and therefore be beaten. As to Rubio, they can knock him off as well.
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« Reply #1027 on: January 14, 2016, 03:26:50 PM »
This is an attempt to neutralize Trump. Nothing else. Contrary to what the Dems say, they do not want to run against Trump. They would rather have Cruz, who can be easily demonized by his Tea Party connections and therefore be beaten. As to Rubio, they can knock him off as well.

Exactly correct.

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Who would have guessed?
« Reply #1028 on: January 20, 2016, 07:17:40 AM »
When partial and very incomplete tallies FINALLY are released and are admittedly an undercount it comes as no surprise to those of us that can look around and see the obvious.

Similar to asking did Hillary break laws?  Isn't it an obvious case.  Do we have to keep saying "alleged" or in the words of JEB "if she broke the law.

Gee why don't we trust our government.  Could it be we are being lied to day in and day out:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/19/bombshell-report-half-million-migrants-overstayed-visas-2015/

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Will on SCOTUS ruling on Obama's
« Reply #1029 on: January 26, 2016, 05:43:00 AM »
immigration overreach:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will012316.php3

Could also go under the "war on rule of law" but I put under constitutional issues as well.


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From Conservative Review
« Reply #1031 on: February 12, 2016, 07:24:16 AM »
GOSAR: ENDING INSTANT AMNESTY FOR CUBANS

By: Rep. Paul Gosar | February 12, 2016

As a congressman representing the state of Arizona, I am never surprised that illegal immigration is the hottest topic of discussion at my town hall meetings.

With over 350 miles of shared border with Mexico, Arizona is second only to Texas in total miles of border separating us from our southern neighbor. Yet the people in my district who most adamantly call for stronger enforcement of our immigration laws may be surprising to some. It’s not those gun-totin,’ bible-clingin’ Republicans that President Obama likes to mock. In fact, the strongest supporters of upholding our immigration laws…are LEGAL immigrants.

FOLLOW It is rare for me to host a public event anymore and not talk to a legal immigrant about his or her inspiring story of becoming an American. At the core of their decision to immigrate legally to the United States is the understanding that our country is a nation of laws, and that no one—not even the President of the United States—can circumvent the law. Our Founding Fathers knew that this was the key to empowering the pursuit of prosperity.
So imagine the frustration of legal immigrants when President Obama unilaterally normalized relations with Cuba last year but refused to end provisions from the 1966 Cuban Adjustment Act which grant instant amnesty to Cubans who set foot on American soil. This is a luxury no other country in the world enjoys, so it’s fair to ask, why would we still treat immigrants from that nation any different than those from other countries? Despite Presidents Obama’s continued ideological efforts to erode American sovereignty, he can’t have it both ways… and he knows it. That is why I introduced legislation (H.R. 3818) to terminate three outdated policies that directly provide amnesty to Cuban aliens and cost taxpayers billions of dollars annually.

Last October, the Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel published a series of investigative articles exposing billions of dollars of waste at the expense of U.S. taxpayers as a result of Cuban immigration fraud. According to their yearlong research, “taxpayers spend more than $680 million per year on welfare to Cuban immigrants, not counting the cost of Medicaid health care benefits.”

Perhaps the most disturbing part of this flawed immigration policy is that Cuba does not allow Cuban citizens convicted of crimes in the U.S. to be repatriated. The Sun-Sentinel reported that

Cubans are allowed to enter the United States without visas or background checks of their criminal histories in Cuba. Unlike other immigrants seeking political asylum, Cubans can return home without jeopardizing their status, aiding crime rings that recruit accomplices and hide stolen money in Cuba.
I dare President Obama to face hard-working legal immigrants who followed the rules and patiently immigrated to this country and try to rationalize this injustice.

The unthinkable consequence of the Obama administration’s lawlessness is that, over time, hardworking legal immigrants will find somewhere else besides the United States to call home. And they won’t be alone. They will take their businesses and good-paying jobs with them. Who could blame them? If the legal foundations of our country are no longer upheld we risk undermining the very soul of the land of the free.

Congress should consider my commonsense legislation, which will level the playing field and end the outdated policies that provide amnesty to Cuban aliens and criminals. Cuban nationals should be treated under the same immigration rules as any other person seeking to immigrate to the United States and should not receive preferential treatment. The American people deserve better from our federal government… especially Americans who migrated here legally.

Congressman Paul Gosar represents Arizona’s 4th congressional district. 

Author Rep. Paul Gosar

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Re: From Conservative Review, ENDING INSTANT AMNESTY FOR CUBANS
« Reply #1032 on: February 13, 2016, 06:39:04 AM »
"Cuba does not allow Cuban citizens convicted of crimes in the U.S. to be repatriated"

I am guessing the Castro regime is not a reliable source of background information on dissidents and expatriates.

I don't know about the merits of the arguments he makes but interesting that proposal to deal with criminals from Cuba comes out of AZ not FL.

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El Chapo, most wanted fugitive, came and went freely across the border
« Reply #1033 on: March 05, 2016, 08:44:28 AM »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/04/el-chapo-entered-us-california-manhunt-prison-break-daughter-says

El Chapo entered US twice while on the run after prison break, daughter claims
The drug lord Joaquín “El Chapo” ...twice secretly entered the United States to visit relatives, according to his eldest daughter. Rosa Isela Guzmán Ortiz said that shortly after an interview with Hollywood star Sean Penn last year, her father dodged a massive manhunt with the complicity of corrupt Mexican officials and evaded US border controls to sneak into California – despite being one of the world’s most wanted fugitives.
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Re: El Chapo, most wanted fugitive, came and went freely across the border
« Reply #1034 on: March 05, 2016, 04:46:24 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/04/el-chapo-entered-us-california-manhunt-prison-break-daughter-says

El Chapo entered US twice while on the run after prison break, daughter claims
The drug lord Joaquín “El Chapo” ...twice secretly entered the United States to visit relatives, according to his eldest daughter. Rosa Isela Guzmán Ortiz said that shortly after an interview with Hollywood star Sean Penn last year, her father dodged a massive manhunt with the complicity of corrupt Mexican officials and evaded US border controls to sneak into California – despite being one of the world’s most wanted fugitives.


This is not exactly shocking.

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A counter intuitive thought from Stratfor
« Reply #1035 on: March 12, 2016, 02:30:12 PM »

Now consider the other objective of controlling our borders. Until the mid-1980s, migration from Mexico to the United States was churned by the movement of Mexican males entering to find employment and then returning to spend their savings. From 1965 to 1986, for example, it is estimated that 86 percent of the illegal entrants were offset by their subsequent returns and thus the undocumented population rose slowly — less than 1 percent of the U.S. population over two decades. In 1986, however, we adopted the Immigration Reform and Control Act, supported by U.S. President Ronald Reagan's warnings that "terrorists and subversives" were entering the country. The result was that illegal immigrants who now faced much more rigorous barriers to entry simply stopped returning to their native countries. And one consequence of that was that they were increasingly joined by their wives and families. The result was a vast increase in the numbers of illegal aliens, as well as a huge increase in the number of children of unauthorized immigrants, about 80 percent of whom are U.S. citizens. The number of undocumented aliens thus rose from less than 3 million in 1986 to between 11 million and 12 million today, with all the consequences for internal division we are experiencing now.

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Good idea!
« Reply #1036 on: March 12, 2016, 06:14:51 PM »
http://www.twincities.com/2016/03/10/6-minnesota-somali-organizations-receive-grants-to-combat-terrorism/

Let's import Somalis. Now's let's spend money fighting "radicalization"!


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The left has just taken over the public discussion of this
« Reply #1038 on: March 17, 2016, 10:24:13 AM »
Illegals get scholarships ,  go to our law schools, encourage more illegal immigration and are treated as heroes and as though they are so lovely.  AS Levin would ask,  what about our children?  We could only imagine if these were future Republicans how this story line would be so different:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/meet-bold-dreamer-who-ll-receive-immigrant-youth-achievement-award-n540276

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Re: The left has just taken over the public discussion of this
« Reply #1039 on: March 17, 2016, 11:26:33 AM »
Illegals get scholarships ,  go to our law schools, encourage more illegal immigration and are treated as heroes and as though they are so lovely.  AS Levin would ask,  what about our children?  We could only imagine if these were future Republicans how this story line would be so different:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/meet-bold-dreamer-who-ll-receive-immigrant-youth-achievement-award-n540276

If the dems thought illegals would vote republican, we'd have a wall larger than the one in Game of Thrones.

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« Reply #1040 on: March 17, 2016, 12:16:34 PM »

If the dems thought illegals would vote republican, we'd have a wall larger than the one in Game of Thrones.
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Best thing I've read all day. Worth TWO chuckles.  :mrgreen:

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1041 on: March 17, 2016, 05:17:37 PM »
 8-) 8-) 8-)

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O-care for illegals!
« Reply #1042 on: March 18, 2016, 03:13:18 PM »
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/362223.php

Chelsea Clinton: Not Only Does My Mom Vow to Not Deport Any Illegal Alien Children, She Thinks It's Important to Sign all Illegals Up for Obamacare, Too

During the Univision Democrat debate from two weeks ago, I was pretty surprised at how immoderate a position Hillary (and Bernie, too) staked out on illegal immigration: Not only did they agree with Jorge Ramos that it was immoral to even have a border, but Hillary vowed she would not deport a single illegal, not one, unless he was further guilty of serious non-immigration crimes.

That's going pretty far. But I don't think the media will question her much about this extremist position, the same as they won't question her about abortion.

Now Chelsea Clinton comes in to assure everyone that her mom thinks it's critical to sign all the illegals up for Obamacare, too.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: "Is she planning on expanding Obamacare as people know it, ACA, to include people who are not fully documented? Because when you get ill, your illness will not ask you if you are a permanent resident or not."
CLINTON: "It's such an important question. Thank you for supporting my mom. My mom has very strong feelings that we must push as quickly as possible for comprehensive immigration reform, and this is a real difference between her's and Senator Sanders' record, she supported comprehensive immigration reform at every possible chance and she was one of the original supporters and sponsors of the DREAM Act. She does not believe that while we are working towards comprehensive immigration reform we should make people wait, like the families you are talking about. Which is why she thinks it's so important to extend the Affordable Care Act to people who are living and working here, regardless of immigration status, regardless of citizenship status."
So not only do we have to accept anyone who slips past our border security as a permanent resident, we also have to subsidize them.

But remember, there's no reason -- none -- apart from pure racism to object to any of this. None. Nothing like simple self-interest, or not wanting to take on the burden of subsidizing all the world's mobile poor.

No, the only reason one could have to object to this is "hating brown poeple."

BTW: I'm updating the sidebar with stuff about the Salah Abdeslam attacks, if you're interested in that story. A lot of little things are coming out, but not enough for a main post.

There's a link to what could be the video of the arrest itself for example, though that might be video of one of the other captured terrorists.

Update: Hillary Rodham has declared the southern border secure, so there's no need for any additional border security.

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« Reply #1043 on: March 20, 2016, 08:31:38 AM »
and of course the predictable response from the Dem machine when someone criticized Chelseeee mention of this.

The illegals would *pay* into the exchanges and not be paid for by tax money and just think of the savings that tax payers would benefit because of the reduced ER costs.

My response is to dream of the savings tax payers would accrue from sending these people back to where ever they came from.


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2nd post
« Reply #1045 on: April 01, 2016, 05:48:21 AM »

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straight forward to me
« Reply #1046 on: April 15, 2016, 10:53:44 AM »

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Re: Immigration issues -
« Reply #1047 on: April 17, 2016, 01:19:46 PM »
As a member of the European Union, it is obliged to accept large numbers of unskilled immigrants who find not only Britain’s wages, but also her welfare system, much superior to those in their own countries.

A 16 year old girl solves the problem.  Short clip.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/02/a-16-year-old-solves-britains-immigration-problem.php

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Wow. The girl has talent.
« Reply #1048 on: April 18, 2016, 04:33:24 AM »
Betting she will be the next Margaret Thatcher in 30 yrs.

She blows Hillary away!

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1049 on: April 18, 2016, 06:40:10 AM »
Now that you mention it, I can picture it.