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« Reply #1850 on: June 21, 2022, 06:10:39 AM »
do not enforce law and help future Democrat voters who will have anchor babies
into the country in direct opposition to the law:

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-dhs-releases-illegal-aliens

if we ever win in '24 we cannot let this man get away with this.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1851 on: June 23, 2022, 10:52:03 PM »
Deport the millions of illegals!!!

Very much worth noting is that apparently Latino citizens have dramatically shifted to pro-Republican.    Let's discuss this on the Politics thread.



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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1856 on: July 15, 2022, 02:15:05 PM »

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1857 on: July 15, 2022, 08:37:03 PM »
" The rapist was an illegal:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/free-speech/joseph-vazquez/2022/07/14/gross-twitter-omits-alleged-ohio-rapist-was-illegal"

but 10 yo's   mother says not true :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11016277/Mom-Ohio-girl-10-got-abortion-Indiana-raped-defends-SUSPECT.html

VERY WEIRD

VERY POLITICAL

when it should not be ......

Not unusual for a mother of a child victim to facilitate the crimes. The motivations vary.

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« Reply #1858 on: July 16, 2022, 05:23:30 AM »
Not an area with which I am familiar.  What might be some of those reasons?

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« Reply #1859 on: July 16, 2022, 07:08:18 AM »
Not an area with which I am familiar.  What might be some of those reasons?

The perp is acting as a source of financial security would be the most common.

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« Reply #1860 on: July 16, 2022, 07:59:49 AM »
Not an area with which I am familiar.  What might be some of those reasons?

The perp is acting as a source of financial security would be the most common.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213421001411

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« Reply #1861 on: July 16, 2022, 10:45:55 AM »
"Not unusual for a mother of a child victim to facilitate the crimes. The motivations vary."

true

or mother is afraid of the perp's retribution
or if he is gang or cartel etc.

or psychological control by the perp of mother

same as domestic abuse where women continue to stay with men who beat them up etc.

I guess worse case scenario the mother was lending her daughter out to this guy for something in return

Perhaps she belongs behind bars too?


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« Reply #1862 on: July 16, 2022, 10:50:55 AM »
 :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Soros "linked" group wins $172 taxpayer funds to help illegals
« Reply #1863 on: July 18, 2022, 06:56:21 AM »
https://populistpress.com/soros-linked-group-wins-nearly-172-million-federal-contract-to-help-border-crossers-avoid-deportation/

could go to 900 + million if extended thru 2027

on top of hundreds of millions of our money it also receives for work prison reform

effectively we are paying for our own destruction......


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Re: Soros "linked" group wins $172 taxpayer funds to help illegals
« Reply #1864 on: July 18, 2022, 06:59:18 AM »
Yes we are.


https://populistpress.com/soros-linked-group-wins-nearly-172-million-federal-contract-to-help-border-crossers-avoid-deportation/

could go to 900 + million if extended thru 2027

on top of hundreds of millions of our money it also receives for work prison reform

effectively we are paying for our own destruction......

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« Reply #1865 on: July 18, 2022, 11:49:45 AM »
I clicked on that but am not seeing the headline you reference.

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Importing rapists
« Reply #1866 on: July 19, 2022, 11:48:16 AM »
https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/17/for-democrats-better-to-import-rapists-than-be-called-racist/

For Democrats, Better To Import Rapists Than Be Called Racist
An illegal immigrant raped the 10-year-old girl in Ohio who got an abortion. Build the wall.
By Josiah Lippincott

July 17, 2022
The story was a perfect liberal talking point. Just days after Roe v. Wade was overturned, news media breathlessly reported that a 10-year-old rape victim in Ohio was forced to leave the state to seek an abortion.

It was catnip for MSNBC Boomers and liberal white women. The story spread like wildfire; Joe Biden referenced the case in public remarks, asking Americans to “imagine being that little girl.” I myself even overheard one large middle-aged woman loudly yelling about the case while on speakerphone here in rural Hillsdale, Michigan.

But the actual initial reports about the case were so extreme and so devoid of details that many wondered if it had even happened. U.S. Representative Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost were publicly skeptical. It fit the narrative too perfectly. The activists pumping the case up had plenty of reason to lie. It wasn’t as if journalists were going to start asking any skeptical questions.

As it turns out, the incident did happen, but it isn’t the narrative blockbuster abortion advocates wanted.

A case that was meant to show the evils of America’s white male patriarchy and its burgeoning post-Roe theocratic “Handmaid’s Tale”-style dictatorship ended up being a story about the insanity and brutality of America’s immigration policies.

The 10-year-old’s rapist wasn’t—as liberals no doubt secretly hoped—a blond-haired, blue eyed, Trump-supporting redneck but a 27-year-old Guatemalan illegal alien by the name of Gerson Fuentes. The girl’s mother is also an immigrant, who by all accounts does not speak English.

It gets worse. When Telemundo interviewed the mother, she defended Fuentes saying that the media had lied about him. When the abortion initially occurred, Fuentes was listed as a minor, in an apparent attempt to prevent prosecution for child rape.

In the overheated imaginations of America’s liberal Zoom class, the various peoples of the world are all the same. Given enough resources, everyone will become urbane, feminized, and homosexual—just like they are! Mass immigration will lead to the birth of a new, diverse, rainbow coalition country teeming with “people of color” and authentic ethnic cuisine like New York’s bodega burritos.

Reality is a tad harsher. Attitudes toward child and female sexuality in Latin America, for instance, are not nearly as enlightened as liberals would like to imagine. The organization Girls Not Brides reports that Guatemala has one of the highest rates of “Child, Early and Forced Marriage and Unions” in Latin America—with 1 in 3 girls entering into a union before the age of 18—often to partners who are significantly older.

Guatemalan health authorities reported that in 2020 more than 1,000 births in the country occurred in girls between the ages of 10 and 14. Rural communities made up of indigenous Mayan people groups report the highest rates of such young marriages or unions.

And it is precisely these groups—impoverished, uneducated, low-wage laborers—who flock to America. This is perfect for our ruling class. Big businesses need cheap serfs for servile low-skill labor, the Democratic Party needs a constituency to weaponize against the white middle class, and liberals need objects of pity. Win-win-win!

If a few million women and girls are trafficked and raped in the process, well, that’s just part and parcel of life in the 21st-century global economy. Better to import rapists than be called racist!

If our rulers really wanted to reduce the number of 10-year-olds needing abortions they’d build the wall and crackdown on immigration. If the Guatemalan pedophiles can’t get here in the first place, then they can’t rape anyone. And if they can’t rape girls then those girls won’t need abortions.

Abortion doesn’t solve rape. It doesn’t undo the crime. Killing the child created as a byproduct of violence doesn’t lessen the trauma to the mother. Oftentimes, it makes it worse.

I know a young woman who was raped by an adult authority figure when she was 13. Her mother forced the girl to get an abortion, telling her that the child in her womb was “just a clump of cells.” Years later, the victim researched the abortion procedure she had undergone. She was horrified. She became extremely angry at her own mother and was filled with longing for the child that had been taken from her. Far from easing the pain of her sexual assault, the abortion made it worse. In her case, nonconsensual sexual abuse had been succeeded by yet more nonconsensual bodily violation.

Liberals latch onto the cases of child rape in the abortion debate as a wedge to support abortion everywhere for everyone. It’s why CNN host Dana Bash pressed South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem about the Ohio case live on air. But zeroing in on such a devastating and difficult case is an absurd way to think about lawmaking. Abortion advocates press pro-lifers with difficult questions about extreme cases like these as “gotcha” logic traps.

But two can play that game. One can always come up with radical thought experiments that reveal the limits of general rules and moral prohibitions.

For instance: Would you commit adultery if it meant keeping your family out of devastating poverty? Would you eat human flesh if the only other option were starvation? Would you murder a million people to save a billion lives?

These thought experiments pose difficulties that do not easily admit principled responses. But they also don’t help us think through the decisions we face in our actual daily lives. They don’t help us live. Instead, they serve as a means to weaken our moral commitments. What good is it to sit around thinking up justifications for cannibalism, adultery, rape, and murder? How is that good for us.

Good legislators recognize this problem. They do everything in their power to craft policies that make hard cases of extreme necessity rare and unlikely. They focus their aim and thought on general cases and rules that help ordinary people live good lives.

The vast majority of women in America who got abortions under Roe v. Wade were not the victims of rape or incest. They weren’t minors. Their lives were not in real danger from pregnancy.

Moral equivocations between a 10-year-old rape victim and a 26-year-old marketing manager who forgot to make her one night stand wear a condom are absurd. The latter, in the abortion debate, is orders of magnitude more common than the former.

On the general scale, abortion introduces all kinds of problems. Legal abortion in America weakened the family, promoted sexual license, and encouraged mothers to view their children as disposable burdens. These attitudes have done enormous damage. The chaos of modern family life in America is evidence enough of the evils of the sexual revolution.

That’s how serious people think about politics—by focusing on the most common effects of a given policy. Pondering radical thought experiments is for college sophomores in dorm rooms, not adults making real decisions.

If our leaders really wanted to get serious about child rape, they would focus on stopping rapes from happening in the first place. Strong borders and effective enforcement of the laws are the first place to start.

But, for that, we need serious rulers. We don’t have them.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1867 on: July 20, 2022, 08:26:14 PM »
That was a well reasoned read.

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Re: Importing rapists
« Reply #1868 on: July 21, 2022, 07:53:29 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/sweden-9-year-old-girl-raped-nearly-killed-ethiopian-migrant-claimed-minor-just-obtained-residency/

https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/17/for-democrats-better-to-import-rapists-than-be-called-racist/

For Democrats, Better To Import Rapists Than Be Called Racist
An illegal immigrant raped the 10-year-old girl in Ohio who got an abortion. Build the wall.
By Josiah Lippincott

July 17, 2022
The story was a perfect liberal talking point. Just days after Roe v. Wade was overturned, news media breathlessly reported that a 10-year-old rape victim in Ohio was forced to leave the state to seek an abortion.

It was catnip for MSNBC Boomers and liberal white women. The story spread like wildfire; Joe Biden referenced the case in public remarks, asking Americans to “imagine being that little girl.” I myself even overheard one large middle-aged woman loudly yelling about the case while on speakerphone here in rural Hillsdale, Michigan.

But the actual initial reports about the case were so extreme and so devoid of details that many wondered if it had even happened. U.S. Representative Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost were publicly skeptical. It fit the narrative too perfectly. The activists pumping the case up had plenty of reason to lie. It wasn’t as if journalists were going to start asking any skeptical questions.

As it turns out, the incident did happen, but it isn’t the narrative blockbuster abortion advocates wanted.

A case that was meant to show the evils of America’s white male patriarchy and its burgeoning post-Roe theocratic “Handmaid’s Tale”-style dictatorship ended up being a story about the insanity and brutality of America’s immigration policies.

The 10-year-old’s rapist wasn’t—as liberals no doubt secretly hoped—a blond-haired, blue eyed, Trump-supporting redneck but a 27-year-old Guatemalan illegal alien by the name of Gerson Fuentes. The girl’s mother is also an immigrant, who by all accounts does not speak English.

It gets worse. When Telemundo interviewed the mother, she defended Fuentes saying that the media had lied about him. When the abortion initially occurred, Fuentes was listed as a minor, in an apparent attempt to prevent prosecution for child rape.

In the overheated imaginations of America’s liberal Zoom class, the various peoples of the world are all the same. Given enough resources, everyone will become urbane, feminized, and homosexual—just like they are! Mass immigration will lead to the birth of a new, diverse, rainbow coalition country teeming with “people of color” and authentic ethnic cuisine like New York’s bodega burritos.

Reality is a tad harsher. Attitudes toward child and female sexuality in Latin America, for instance, are not nearly as enlightened as liberals would like to imagine. The organization Girls Not Brides reports that Guatemala has one of the highest rates of “Child, Early and Forced Marriage and Unions” in Latin America—with 1 in 3 girls entering into a union before the age of 18—often to partners who are significantly older.

Guatemalan health authorities reported that in 2020 more than 1,000 births in the country occurred in girls between the ages of 10 and 14. Rural communities made up of indigenous Mayan people groups report the highest rates of such young marriages or unions.

And it is precisely these groups—impoverished, uneducated, low-wage laborers—who flock to America. This is perfect for our ruling class. Big businesses need cheap serfs for servile low-skill labor, the Democratic Party needs a constituency to weaponize against the white middle class, and liberals need objects of pity. Win-win-win!

If a few million women and girls are trafficked and raped in the process, well, that’s just part and parcel of life in the 21st-century global economy. Better to import rapists than be called racist!

If our rulers really wanted to reduce the number of 10-year-olds needing abortions they’d build the wall and crackdown on immigration. If the Guatemalan pedophiles can’t get here in the first place, then they can’t rape anyone. And if they can’t rape girls then those girls won’t need abortions.

Abortion doesn’t solve rape. It doesn’t undo the crime. Killing the child created as a byproduct of violence doesn’t lessen the trauma to the mother. Oftentimes, it makes it worse.

I know a young woman who was raped by an adult authority figure when she was 13. Her mother forced the girl to get an abortion, telling her that the child in her womb was “just a clump of cells.” Years later, the victim researched the abortion procedure she had undergone. She was horrified. She became extremely angry at her own mother and was filled with longing for the child that had been taken from her. Far from easing the pain of her sexual assault, the abortion made it worse. In her case, nonconsensual sexual abuse had been succeeded by yet more nonconsensual bodily violation.

Liberals latch onto the cases of child rape in the abortion debate as a wedge to support abortion everywhere for everyone. It’s why CNN host Dana Bash pressed South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem about the Ohio case live on air. But zeroing in on such a devastating and difficult case is an absurd way to think about lawmaking. Abortion advocates press pro-lifers with difficult questions about extreme cases like these as “gotcha” logic traps.

But two can play that game. One can always come up with radical thought experiments that reveal the limits of general rules and moral prohibitions.

For instance: Would you commit adultery if it meant keeping your family out of devastating poverty? Would you eat human flesh if the only other option were starvation? Would you murder a million people to save a billion lives?

These thought experiments pose difficulties that do not easily admit principled responses. But they also don’t help us think through the decisions we face in our actual daily lives. They don’t help us live. Instead, they serve as a means to weaken our moral commitments. What good is it to sit around thinking up justifications for cannibalism, adultery, rape, and murder? How is that good for us.

Good legislators recognize this problem. They do everything in their power to craft policies that make hard cases of extreme necessity rare and unlikely. They focus their aim and thought on general cases and rules that help ordinary people live good lives.

The vast majority of women in America who got abortions under Roe v. Wade were not the victims of rape or incest. They weren’t minors. Their lives were not in real danger from pregnancy.

Moral equivocations between a 10-year-old rape victim and a 26-year-old marketing manager who forgot to make her one night stand wear a condom are absurd. The latter, in the abortion debate, is orders of magnitude more common than the former.

On the general scale, abortion introduces all kinds of problems. Legal abortion in America weakened the family, promoted sexual license, and encouraged mothers to view their children as disposable burdens. These attitudes have done enormous damage. The chaos of modern family life in America is evidence enough of the evils of the sexual revolution.

That’s how serious people think about politics—by focusing on the most common effects of a given policy. Pondering radical thought experiments is for college sophomores in dorm rooms, not adults making real decisions.

If our leaders really wanted to get serious about child rape, they would focus on stopping rapes from happening in the first place. Strong borders and effective enforcement of the laws are the first place to start.

But, for that, we need serious rulers. We don’t have them.

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Re: Importing rapists
« Reply #1869 on: July 22, 2022, 08:28:13 PM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2022/07/20/ohio-man-rapes-10yearold-n2610564

'Ohio Man' Rapes 10-Year-Old
Ann CoulterPosted: Jul 20, 2022 4:44 PM
The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Townhall.com.
'Ohio Man' Rapes 10-Year-Old


 
I, for one, am tickled pink that our ruling class has finally come out against child rape. This is something new. For several decades now, the position of government officials, both political parties, think tanks, the Bush family, district attorneys and the entire media has been: We're going to foist primitive, peasant cultures on America and then lie to the public about how this is changing our country.

We recently found out about one big way that third-world immigrants are enriching us. Soon after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, the media began talking nonstop about a "10-year-old rape victim" who couldn't get an abortion in Ohio and had to travel to Indiana. The "10-year-old rape victim" was discussed on a loop on MSNBC and even made it into a speech by President Joe Biden.

But then, a bunch of spoilsports started questioning whether "10-year-old rape victim" existed. The attorney general of Ohio said on July 12 he had no evidence of a 10-year-old rape victim, despite the reporting of such a crime being mandatory.

With their backs against the wall, the pro-abortion crowd broke longstanding strictures against mentioning the rapey-ness of our "New Americans" by producing the rapist: Gerson Fuentes, 27, an illegal alien from Guatemala.

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Oh, now I see.

The abortion ladies thought they could get away with revealing the child rape victim, while refusing to reveal the child rape perpetrator. When that failed, they wantonly defied the rest of their coalition and told the truth about one of the Democrats' pets, an illegal immigrant.

Once the pro-abortion crowd identified the rapist, nothing about the story was surprising. It has all the earmarks of an immigrant child rape:

The crime is particularly vile -- CHECK!

The raping had been going on for some time -- CHECK!

The mother defended her daughter's rapist -- CHECK!

The rapist is shocked that anyone thinks he did anything wrong -- CHECK!

Luckily, I am Johnny on the Spot when it comes to immigrant child-rapists, having included nearly 100 such cases in my book "Adios, America!" -- as well as the sensational, flood-the-zone news coverage the U.S. media devote to criminal immigrants. (Sarcasm.)

As far as I know, there's only one group in the country trying to keep a running tally of immigrant child rapes: North Carolinians for Immigration Reform and Enforcement (NCFire.info). Here's NCFire's list of illegal immigrant child rapists in North Carolina, so far this year.

2022 Monthly Child Rapes by Illegal Aliens:

6. June 2022: 20 illegal aliens arrested for 42 child rape/child sexual assault charges

5. May 2022: 18 illegal aliens arrested for 42 child rape/child sexual assault charges

4. April 2022: 19 illegal aliens arrested for 72 child rape/child sexual assault charges

3. March 2022: 30 illegal aliens arrested for 110 child rape/child sexual assault charges

2. February 2022: 27 illegal aliens arrested for 84 child rape/child sexual assault charges

1. January 2022: 18 illegal aliens arrested for 96 child rape/child sexual assault charges

Again, that's only in a single state. And only when the immigrant is illegal.

WHY DOESN'T THE PUBLIC KNOW ABOUT THIS?

Unfortunately, our media are too busy reporting on apocryphal gang rapes by the Duke lacrosse team and "frat boys" at the University of Virginia to bother mentioning the epidemic of child rape by immigrants from peasant cultures pouring into our country by the million.


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How far into the stories about UVA and Duke did you have to read to find out that the (falsely) accused rapists were "privileged white men"?

By contrast, whenever the media deign to mention an immigrant rapist, the story will appear in -- at most -- one local newspaper. Further, both the heinous nature of the crime and the immigration status of the rapist will be hidden. (How about a news report on the Duke lacrosse case, appearing exclusively in the local paper at the bottom of page A-18, titled, "Area Men Arrested.")

In 2013, an illegal alien from Guatemala, German Rolando Vicente-Sapon, was convicted of kidnapping his 16-year-old cousin, transporting her to the U.S. (also illegally), and holding her as his sex slave for years.

Only one newspaper in the country reported the story: the Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Quiz: Was the headline --

"Illegal Alien Sentenced for Incest, Child Rape, Kidnapping and Sex Slavery," OR

"Man Guilty in Case of Human Smuggling"?

I think you know the answer.

There's no question that the national media would never have breathed a word about the Fuentes case -- but for the doubters. So a big shoutout to the feminists for putting abortion-on-demand above open borders. If only politicians cared as much about our country as pro-choicers do about abortion.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/sweden-9-year-old-girl-raped-nearly-killed-ethiopian-migrant-claimed-minor-just-obtained-residency/

https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/17/for-democrats-better-to-import-rapists-than-be-called-racist/

For Democrats, Better To Import Rapists Than Be Called Racist
An illegal immigrant raped the 10-year-old girl in Ohio who got an abortion. Build the wall.
By Josiah Lippincott

July 17, 2022
The story was a perfect liberal talking point. Just days after Roe v. Wade was overturned, news media breathlessly reported that a 10-year-old rape victim in Ohio was forced to leave the state to seek an abortion.

It was catnip for MSNBC Boomers and liberal white women. The story spread like wildfire; Joe Biden referenced the case in public remarks, asking Americans to “imagine being that little girl.” I myself even overheard one large middle-aged woman loudly yelling about the case while on speakerphone here in rural Hillsdale, Michigan.

But the actual initial reports about the case were so extreme and so devoid of details that many wondered if it had even happened. U.S. Representative Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost were publicly skeptical. It fit the narrative too perfectly. The activists pumping the case up had plenty of reason to lie. It wasn’t as if journalists were going to start asking any skeptical questions.

As it turns out, the incident did happen, but it isn’t the narrative blockbuster abortion advocates wanted.

A case that was meant to show the evils of America’s white male patriarchy and its burgeoning post-Roe theocratic “Handmaid’s Tale”-style dictatorship ended up being a story about the insanity and brutality of America’s immigration policies.

The 10-year-old’s rapist wasn’t—as liberals no doubt secretly hoped—a blond-haired, blue eyed, Trump-supporting redneck but a 27-year-old Guatemalan illegal alien by the name of Gerson Fuentes. The girl’s mother is also an immigrant, who by all accounts does not speak English.

It gets worse. When Telemundo interviewed the mother, she defended Fuentes saying that the media had lied about him. When the abortion initially occurred, Fuentes was listed as a minor, in an apparent attempt to prevent prosecution for child rape.

In the overheated imaginations of America’s liberal Zoom class, the various peoples of the world are all the same. Given enough resources, everyone will become urbane, feminized, and homosexual—just like they are! Mass immigration will lead to the birth of a new, diverse, rainbow coalition country teeming with “people of color” and authentic ethnic cuisine like New York’s bodega burritos.

Reality is a tad harsher. Attitudes toward child and female sexuality in Latin America, for instance, are not nearly as enlightened as liberals would like to imagine. The organization Girls Not Brides reports that Guatemala has one of the highest rates of “Child, Early and Forced Marriage and Unions” in Latin America—with 1 in 3 girls entering into a union before the age of 18—often to partners who are significantly older.

Guatemalan health authorities reported that in 2020 more than 1,000 births in the country occurred in girls between the ages of 10 and 14. Rural communities made up of indigenous Mayan people groups report the highest rates of such young marriages or unions.

And it is precisely these groups—impoverished, uneducated, low-wage laborers—who flock to America. This is perfect for our ruling class. Big businesses need cheap serfs for servile low-skill labor, the Democratic Party needs a constituency to weaponize against the white middle class, and liberals need objects of pity. Win-win-win!

If a few million women and girls are trafficked and raped in the process, well, that’s just part and parcel of life in the 21st-century global economy. Better to import rapists than be called racist!

If our rulers really wanted to reduce the number of 10-year-olds needing abortions they’d build the wall and crackdown on immigration. If the Guatemalan pedophiles can’t get here in the first place, then they can’t rape anyone. And if they can’t rape girls then those girls won’t need abortions.

Abortion doesn’t solve rape. It doesn’t undo the crime. Killing the child created as a byproduct of violence doesn’t lessen the trauma to the mother. Oftentimes, it makes it worse.

I know a young woman who was raped by an adult authority figure when she was 13. Her mother forced the girl to get an abortion, telling her that the child in her womb was “just a clump of cells.” Years later, the victim researched the abortion procedure she had undergone. She was horrified. She became extremely angry at her own mother and was filled with longing for the child that had been taken from her. Far from easing the pain of her sexual assault, the abortion made it worse. In her case, nonconsensual sexual abuse had been succeeded by yet more nonconsensual bodily violation.

Liberals latch onto the cases of child rape in the abortion debate as a wedge to support abortion everywhere for everyone. It’s why CNN host Dana Bash pressed South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem about the Ohio case live on air. But zeroing in on such a devastating and difficult case is an absurd way to think about lawmaking. Abortion advocates press pro-lifers with difficult questions about extreme cases like these as “gotcha” logic traps.

But two can play that game. One can always come up with radical thought experiments that reveal the limits of general rules and moral prohibitions.

For instance: Would you commit adultery if it meant keeping your family out of devastating poverty? Would you eat human flesh if the only other option were starvation? Would you murder a million people to save a billion lives?

These thought experiments pose difficulties that do not easily admit principled responses. But they also don’t help us think through the decisions we face in our actual daily lives. They don’t help us live. Instead, they serve as a means to weaken our moral commitments. What good is it to sit around thinking up justifications for cannibalism, adultery, rape, and murder? How is that good for us.

Good legislators recognize this problem. They do everything in their power to craft policies that make hard cases of extreme necessity rare and unlikely. They focus their aim and thought on general cases and rules that help ordinary people live good lives.

The vast majority of women in America who got abortions under Roe v. Wade were not the victims of rape or incest. They weren’t minors. Their lives were not in real danger from pregnancy.

Moral equivocations between a 10-year-old rape victim and a 26-year-old marketing manager who forgot to make her one night stand wear a condom are absurd. The latter, in the abortion debate, is orders of magnitude more common than the former.

On the general scale, abortion introduces all kinds of problems. Legal abortion in America weakened the family, promoted sexual license, and encouraged mothers to view their children as disposable burdens. These attitudes have done enormous damage. The chaos of modern family life in America is evidence enough of the evils of the sexual revolution.

That’s how serious people think about politics—by focusing on the most common effects of a given policy. Pondering radical thought experiments is for college sophomores in dorm rooms, not adults making real decisions.

If our leaders really wanted to get serious about child rape, they would focus on stopping rapes from happening in the first place. Strong borders and effective enforcement of the laws are the first place to start.

But, for that, we need serious rulers. We don’t have them.

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likely reason some gaps in Arizona border wall being filled in
« Reply #1870 on: July 30, 2022, 07:13:25 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-az-border-wall-move-could-help-one-their-own-win-re-election-border-official-says


This makes sense
There HAD TO BE A POLITICAL REASON WHY DEMS WOULD DO THIS NOW WITH ELECTION COMING UP.

Certainly it is not for preventing illegals coming in .

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invasion at border
« Reply #1872 on: August 19, 2022, 09:04:17 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2022/08/19/poll-bidens-migration-is-invasion-says-54-percent-majority/

what would really make polls like this more meaningful is to ask the respondent if they were born
in US

60 million or more are here legally illegally work visas and the rest

so no doubt that will result in many denying an "invasion "

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FAIR on illegal immigration
« Reply #1873 on: August 21, 2022, 12:38:08 PM »
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/us-mexico-border/2022/08/21/id/1083970/

so 4.9 million + 14.3 million estimate os of 2019

puts # now at 19 million +

i bet it is a lot more......

https://www.fairus.org/issues/illegal-immigration

I wonder how many vote ?

They get free DNC membership cards


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1875 on: September 16, 2022, 07:05:35 AM »
in the name of equity and diversity
I think a bill should be passed
than projects be built for low income people and illegal immigrant in high priced location

such as Martha's Vineyard, Palm Beach , Palm Springs
the ritze Hampton areas and the rest

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Migrant Vineyard group
« Reply #1876 on: September 18, 2022, 09:33:02 AM »
all lawyered up ( I am sure some mensch in paying the lawyer fees for them)

and their shysters want criminal investigation into the bus ride to MV

https://www.axios.com/2022/09/18/ron-desantis-migrants-lawyers-criminal-investigation

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Diversity is our...
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1880 on: September 24, 2022, 10:44:22 AM »
What the heck is going on with Minnesota
Was it always left wing ?

I know it was only state to vote for Mc Govern but ........

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1881 on: September 24, 2022, 11:32:43 AM »
IIRC Sen. and then VP Hubert Humphrey were from the "Farm & Labor Party" (or some name like that) from MN.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1882 on: September 24, 2022, 05:26:03 PM »
Long history but the MN party is called the DFL, so called merger of Democrat Farmer Labor even though all farmers and perhaps majority of labor now vote R.

Humphrey was moderate compared to today's evil woke.  HHH was tough on crime, made a name for himself stopping the Chicago mob from setting up in Minneapolis.

Mondale was the last honest lib. Was chosen as moderate Carter's running mate to unite the party.  Famous Mondale line as Dem nominee in 1984, "Ronald Reagan and I will both raise your taxes.  He won't tell you.  I just did."  Reagan won 49 states after that.  Never admitted again by a Dem.

In the latest scandal you have Dems in power, giant spending, all fraud and no oversight.

If you don't punish the party in power now, when would you?
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