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time to push back on the "green raw deal"
« Reply #550 on: March 04, 2020, 06:23:15 AM »
denying climate change is not working

whether true or not so lets try this

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/its-time-for-conservatives-to-own-the-climate-change-issue/

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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #551 on: March 04, 2020, 08:42:30 AM »
YES.

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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #552 on: March 04, 2020, 08:58:59 AM »
Crenshaw:  "Calls for a carbon tax are similarly misguided. Even if we were to implement a carbon tax, such a policy might inadvertently increase emissions as our cleaner, better-regulated American oil-and-gas industry potentially cedes market share to less clean Russian and Saudi producers. At the risk of stating the obvious, the developing world won’t stop demanding energy just because we decide to tax ourselves more."

Great point:  Doing carbon re-capture on natural gas is WAY easier than with coal because it starts so much cleaner.

Every time they say wind and solar, we say, what are you going to use the other 65% of the time.

Bill Gates quote for wind and solar:  “What’s your plan for steel?”

He barely touches on nuclear, not his part of the plan, but that has to be the centerpiece.  The whole electric vehicle craze will need the grid to be powered, not subsidized or politicized.

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However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9#page-1?mod=article_inline

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Re: Environmental issues, CO2 during COVID19
« Reply #554 on: March 29, 2020, 09:50:13 AM »
First, what happened to the 'real' existential crisis?  Why worry about the Wuhan killer when it is really is making us safer?  ['Logic' of the Left.]

Second, With Jets grounded and highways more sparse from cars than ever in memory, shouldn't the CO2 readings coming out at Moana Loa show that shortly?
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

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Re: Environmental issues, climate change, NOAA, Scott Grannis
« Reply #556 on: June 12, 2020, 06:56:09 AM »
http://scottgrannis.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-us-has-experienced-very-little.html?m=1

(Aug 2019). What this new data (unadjusted NOAA) show is that in the contiguous 48 states there has been a statistically insignificant amount of warming over the past 14 ½ years (since the beginning of this data ).
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If, like me, you have read enough about the difficulties of measuring global temperatures to know that virtually all temperature datasets are and have been extensively "adjusted" after the fact to correct for a variety of factors, then you should welcome the news that our own NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) has come up with a way to measure temperatures in the contiguous US that, beginning in 2005, generates data that require no adjustments, thanks to strategically placed and well thought-out monitoring stations.


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(Doug). The 'warming' is in the 'adjustments'. And the research money is tied to the warming.

One data point, it's a beautiful, sunny, chilly June morning at the lake in MN today. The lake is still cold.  Only the highs will be above 70.  And in a little over a week the days start getting shorter. The idea that this is spiraling out of control is absurd. For one thing, it was never in our control.

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Apocalypse never, Michael shellenberger
« Reply #557 on: June 30, 2020, 05:26:56 AM »
http://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2020/6/29/on-behalf-of-environmentalists-i-apologize-for-the-climate-scare

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare
June 29, 2020
The author in Maranhão, Brazil, 1995
THE AUTHOR IN MARANHÃO, BRAZIL, 1995

On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem.

I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.

But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.

Here are some facts few people know:

Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”

The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”

Climate change is not making natural disasters worse

Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003

The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska

The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California

Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s

Netherlands became rich not poor while adapting to life below sea level

We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter

Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change

Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels

Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture

I know that the above facts will sound like “climate denialism” to many people. But that just shows the power of climate alarmism.

In reality, the above facts come from the best-available scientific studies, including those conducted by or accepted by the IPCC, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN) and other leading scientific bodies.

Some people will, when they read this imagine that I’m some right-wing anti-environmentalist. I’m not. At 17, I lived in Nicaragua to show solidarity with the Sandinista socialist revolution. At 23 I raised money for Guatemalan women’s cooperatives. In my early 20s I lived in the semi-Amazon doing research with small farmers fighting land invasions. At 26 I helped expose poor conditions at Nike factories in Asia.

I became an environmentalist at 16 when I threw a fundraiser for Rainforest Action Network. At 27 I helped save the last unprotected ancient redwoods in California. In my 30s I advocated renewables and successfully helped persuade the Obama administration to invest $90 billion into them. Over the last few years I helped save enough nuclear plants from being replaced by fossil fuels to prevent a sharp increase in emissions

But until last year, I mostly avoided speaking out against the climate scare. Partly that’s because I was embarrassed. After all, I am as guilty of alarmism as any other environmentalist. For years, I referred to climate change as an “existential” threat to human civilization, and called it a “crisis.”

But mostly I was scared. I remained quiet about the climate disinformation campaign because I was afraid of losing friends and funding. The few times I summoned the courage to defend climate science from those who misrepresent it I suffered harsh consequences. And so I mostly stood by and did next to nothing as my fellow environmentalists terrified the public.

I even stood by as people in the White House and many in the news media tried to destroy the reputation and career of an outstanding scientist, good man, and friend of mine, Roger Pielke, Jr., a lifelong progressive Democrat and environmentalist who testified in favor of carbon regulations. Why did they do that? Because his research proves natural disasters aren’t getting worse.

But then, last year, things spiraled out of control.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said “The world is going to end in twelve years if we don’t address climate change.” Britain’s most high-profile environmental group claimed “Climate Change Kills Children.”

The world’s most influential green journalist, Bill McKibben, called climate change the “greatest challenge humans have ever faced” and said it would “wipe out civilizations.”

Mainstream journalists reported, repeatedly, that the Amazon was “the lungs of the world,” and that deforestation was like a nuclear bomb going off.

As a result, half of the people surveyed around the world last year said they thought climate change would make humanity extinct. And in January, one out of five British children told pollsters they were having nightmares about climate change.

Whether or not you have children you must see how wrong this is. I admit I may be sensitive because I have a teenage daughter. After we talked about the science she was reassured. But her friends are deeply misinformed and thus, understandably, frightened.

I thus decided I had to speak out. I knew that writing a few articles wouldn’t be enough. I needed a book to properly lay out all of the evidence.

 And so my formal apology for our fear-mongering comes in the form of my new book, Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All.

It is based on two decades of research and three decades of environmental activism. At 400 pages, with 100 of them endnotes, Apocalypse Never covers climate change, deforestation, plastic waste, species extinction, industrialization, meat, nuclear energy, and renewables.

Some highlights from the book:

Factories and modern farming are the keys to human liberation and environmental progress

The most important thing for saving the environment is producing more food, particularly meat, on less land

The most important thing for reducing air pollution and carbon emissions is moving from wood to coal to petroleum to natural gas to uranium

100% renewables would require increasing the land used for energy from today’s 0.5% to 50%

We should want cities, farms, and power plants to have higher, not lower, power densities

Vegetarianism reduces one’s emissions by less than 4%

Greenpeace didn’t save the whales, switching from whale oil to petroleum and palm oil did

“Free-range” beef would require 20 times more land and produce 300% more emissions

Greenpeace dogmatism worsened forest fragmentation of the Amazon

The colonialist approach to gorilla conservation in the Congo produced a backlash that may have resulted in the killing of 250 elephants

Why were we all so misled?

In the final three chapters of Apocalypse Never I expose the financial, political, and ideological motivations. Environmental groups have accepted hundreds of millions of dollars from fossil fuel interests. Groups motivated by anti-humanist beliefs forced the World Bank to stop trying to end poverty and instead make poverty “sustainable.” And status anxiety, depression, and hostility to modern civilization are behind much of the alarmism

Once you realize just how badly misinformed we have been, often by people with plainly unsavory or unhealthy motivations, it is hard not to feel duped.

Will Apocalypse Never make any difference? There are certainly reasons to doubt it.

The news media have been making apocalyptic pronouncements about climate change since the late 1980s, and do not seem disposed to stop.

The ideology behind environmental alarmsim — Malthusianism — has been repeatedly debunked for 200 years and yet is more powerful than ever.

But there are also reasons to believe that environmental alarmism will, if not come to an end, have diminishing cultural power.

The coronavirus pandemic is an actual crisis that puts the climate “crisis” into perspective. Even if you think we have overreacted, Covid-19 has killed nearly 500,000 people and shattered economies around the globe.

Scientific institutions including WHO and IPCC have undermined their credibility through the repeated politicization of science. Their future existence and relevance depends on new leadership and serious reform.

Facts still matter, and social media is allowing for a wider range of new and independent voices to outcompete alarmist environmental journalists at legacy publications.

Nations are reverting openly to self-interest and away from Malthusianism and neoliberalism, which is good for nuclear and bad for renewables.

The evidence is overwhelming that our high-energy civilization is better for people and nature than the low-energy civilization that climate alarmists would return us to.

The invitations from IPCC and Congress are signs of a growing openness to new thinking about climate change and the environment. Another one has been to the response to my book from climate scientists, conservationists, and environmental scholars. "Apocalypse Never is an extremely important book,” writes Richard Rhodes, the Pulitzer-winning author of The Making of the Atomic Bomb. “This may be the most important book on the environment ever written,” says one of the fathers of modern climate science Tom Wigley.

“We environmentalists condemn those with antithetical views of being ignorant of science and susceptible to confirmation bias,” wrote the former head of The Nature Conservancy, Steve McCormick. “But too often we are guilty of the same.  Shellenberger offers ‘tough love:’ a challenge to entrenched orthodoxies and rigid, self-defeating mindsets.  Apocalypse Never serves up occasionally stinging, but always well-crafted, evidence-based points of view that will help develop the ‘mental muscle’ we need to envision and design not only a hopeful, but an attainable, future.”

That is all I hoped for in writing it. If you’ve made it this far, I hope you’ll agree that it’s perhaps not as strange as it seems that a lifelong environmentalist, progressive, and climate activist felt the need to speak out against the alarmism.

I further hope that you’ll accept my apology.
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Re: Environmental fail at 'green' NV solar salt plant
« Reply #559 on: August 11, 2020, 05:50:41 PM »
https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-failed-solar-project-offers-warning-2091618/

Did taxpayer money find it's way in Reid and associates pockets' ? I bet it did. So, not really a failure...


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Re: Global warming - woops - I mean climate change
« Reply #561 on: October 21, 2020, 03:50:04 PM »
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/10/20/minnesota-weather-snow-system-expected-to-drop-2-5-inches-of-wet-heavy-snow-across-minnesota/

It was more than 5" snow with more coming.  Temps freezing  for the foreseeable future. Autumn is the new winter, but warming is spiraling out of control?



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Taleb et al: We should build down CO2 emissions regardless of what models say
« Reply #564 on: February 25, 2021, 08:27:00 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/roshankar/status/1362286887210151940/photo/1

[Doug]  If the alarmists would quit screaming, maybe we could think clearly and make rational public policy.  For the umpteenth time, nuclear is safest and cleanest.  Everyone knows it.  No one is building it.

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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #565 on: February 25, 2021, 09:20:55 AM »
[Doug]  If the alarmists would quit screaming, maybe we could think clearly and make rational public policy.  For the umpteenth time, nuclear is safest and cleanest.  Everyone knows it.  No one is building it.

Even Bill Gates said so on 60 minutes recently
He brought Anderson Cooper  on a tour of nuclear research company
and explained how they using liquid sodium instead of water
to cool down the nuclear rods .
This would be safer and prevent explosions like the one at Chernobyl

https://www.nei.org/news/2021/bill-gates-nuclear-innovation-60-minutes

My point is that even if lib Gates is for it , the yes "everyone" knows it to be true

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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #566 on: February 25, 2021, 01:19:09 PM »
Please post in the Nuclear thread as well.

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Environmental issues, ANWR, Harvard Crimson, 2001
« Reply #567 on: June 05, 2021, 01:50:56 PM »
https://symonsez.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/the-oil-flows-and-the-caribou-are-fine/

A Case for Opening ANWR
By James M. Mcelligott, Crimson Staff Writer
April 17, 2001

[Photos are from the article:



As someone who was born and raised in Alaska, I want to address some misconceptions about the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). Many people believe that developing ANWR would destroy an otherwise pristine wilderness in exchange for just six months’ worth of oil. But such statements rely upon misleading or false facts for their support; in truth, ANWR is a 19-million-acre region, of which eight million acres have already been put into formal wilderness status and an additional 9.5 million acres are designated as wildlife refuge. Those 17.5 million acres form a protected area, nearly as large as the state of South Carolina, that can never be developed—and never should be.

The remaining 1.5 million acres make up the coastal plain which, according to the latest U.S. Geological Survey estimate, contain a mean of 7.7 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil (this excludes State and Native areas). Those opposed to the development of ANWR argue that the region would only produce 3.2 billion barrels, a strikingly conservative and low-end estimate. Even according to those statistics, however, ANWR would still be the second largest field ever discovered in the United States, second only to Prudhoe Bay. (Prudhoe Bay, though, is hardly a polluted oil field because the North Slope’s petroleum industry is the cleanest, most technologically advanced and most heavily regulated in the world).

Also, eight billion recovered barrels would be the equivalent of our entire domestic use of oil for well over a year, not just six months. Important to note, though, is that no policy-maker has argued that we should open ANWR to development and then become independent of the use of foreign oil. Rather, the oil produced would be used to supplement our imports for the next 20 years.

According to agencies that would coordinate the coastal plain development, only an estimated 2,000 acres would be needed. That number represents approximately 1/10,000th of ANWR. Some environmentalists claim that the coastal plain is the last five percent of the Arctic coastline (not the Alaskan coastline) that has not been drilled, but this figure is false. A mere 14 percent of the entire 1,100-mile Arctic coastal plain has been opened to oil exploration. Furthermore, exploration and development usually occur during the cold winter months, when the temperature falls below 40 degrees Fahrenheit and when there are 56 days of total darkness. If a well has been determined dry, it is capped off and there is little evidence of work when the ice melts in the spring.

Exploration and development of regions like ANWR has also changed in recent years due to improved technology such as the development of a directional drill bit, which utilizes horizontal drilling and dramatically reduces the number of oil wells used in drilling. Such technological advances would allow the development of ANWR to be done much less intrusively than what was previously possible.

To understand how development in ANWR could affect the wildlife, the best available information comes from Prudhoe Bay, which is located about 80 miles away. Foremost, there are no listed endangered species living on the coastal plain. Of the animal species affected by opening ANWR, many people seem to focus on the Porcupine caribou herd, which migrates to the coastal plain in the summer. Many do not realize, though, that the herd not only travels past 89 dry oil wells drilled by the Canadian government when it travels from Canada to ANWR, but that is also crosses Canada’s Dempster Highway en route. Neither of these factors have shown to hinder the species’ migration or survival.

In addition, the Central Arctic caribou herd that inhabits part of Prudhoe Bay has grown from 6,000 in 1978 to 27,000 today, according to the most recent estimate by state and federal wildlife agencies. The Inupiat Eskimos, who count on the wildlife as a source of their livelihood, have witnessed how the development of Prudhoe Bay has coexisted with a thriving wildlife community. The same balance and support is possible with ANWR.

Furthermore, the coastal plain is far from a pristine wilderness untouched by human hands, unlike the other 17.5 million acres already protected. It is a flat, treeless, almost featureless plain in northeastern Alaska home to a military radar site and the Inupiat Eskimo community of Kaktovik, a village of 260 complete with houses, stores, a school, power lines and many other modern-day facilities. The town even has its own oil well.

We should work toward energy conservation and efficiency because the development of the coastal plain would by no means make us independent of foreign oil. Imports of crude oil and refined products now cost the nation an annual $40 billion. According the U.S. Department of Commerce, oil represents the largest single commodity in the U.S. Balance of Trade deficit with other nations. But with the development of ANWR, our increased domestic production would decrease the deficit caused by crude oil imports, all the while, according to Wharton Economic Forecasting Associations, creating an estimated 736,000 jobs.

These jobs would also spread throughout the nation in the production, manufacturing and service sectors. Federal revenues would increase by tens of billions of dollars from bonus bids, lease rentals, royalties and taxes.

I, along with 75 percent of Alaskans and the Inupiat Eskimos that live in ANWR, do not believe that reasonable development in just 2,000 of the 19 million acres in ANWR is wrong. The region holds resources that America needs, which can, and should be, safely extracted without destruction to the ecosystem.

James M. McElligott ’03 is an economics concentrator in Mather house.
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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #568 on: June 06, 2021, 08:19:27 PM »
Articulate and responsive to the concerns I expressed.

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Climate Change 10 times overstated, policies not working
« Reply #569 on: June 25, 2021, 06:21:08 AM »
One degree (centigrade) per decade predicted become on degree per century in reality.

Climate Change is an existential threat to the west in that we are applying the economic brakes to the west that do not apply to arch rival China.
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"The Senate [in] July 1997, by 95 votes (including those of then-senators Biden and Kerry) to zero, adopted the Byrd-Hagel resolution: America should not sign any protocol that imposed limits on Annex I parties unless it also imposed specific, time-tabled commitments on non–Annex I countries [China etc.]
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"Joe Biden campaigned to restore U.S. climate leadership and rejoin the Paris agreement. The two are contradictory."

https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2021/06/24/happy_birthday_global_warming_climate_change_at_33_782909.html
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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #570 on: June 25, 2021, 06:53:18 AM »
"Climate Change is an existential threat to the west in that we are applying the economic brakes to the west that do not apply to arch rival China."

only bigger threat is white supremacy
and LGTSAGFKDAPDFG problems

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Re: Environmental issues, "Global" "Warming"
« Reply #571 on: June 25, 2021, 08:21:44 AM »
One degree Celsius of measured warming for the entire industrial age.  Margin of error in measuring that, probably more than one degree.  Happened to be within an era where temps were already climbing at about - one degree per century.  Hockey stick acceleration of warming: proven fraudulent.  Human component of causation: between zero and negligible.  Best results in the world yet to cut emissions: Fracking in US produced natural gas to replace coal.  Biden administration response:  Ban fracking.  Best long term solution:  Nuclear power, nearly unlimited energy source with zero carbon emissions.  Policy makers response to that fact: Close nuclear plants, block new ones from opening.

Hottest early June here in memory.  Cause:  Global warming.  Anybody can see that. 
[Followed by nice weather through the summer solstice, temperatures "normal".]

Yet it was the coldest June in England, India and Australia in 122 years.  Cause: Temperatures have always fluctuated!

RARE SUMMER FROSTS SWEEP THE UK AS RECORD JUNE COLD SETS IN
[Following record April cold, record May cold.]
https://electroverse.net/rare-summer-frosts-sweep-the-uk-as-record-june-cold-sets-in/

NSW [Australia] records coldest June day in 122 years
https://theglobalherald.com/news/nsw-records-coldest-june-day-in-122-years-9-news-australia/

India:  Another weather record: Coolest day in June EVER
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/others/delhi-records-another-weather-record-coolest-june-day-ever-101622573220211.html

[Funny, I didn't read about THOSE in the US msm.]

Lehigh Valley weather: It’s cold, sure, but is it a record?
https://www.mcall.com/news/weather/mc-nws-lehigh-valley-cold-night-sets-record-low-20210623-4ac7qx7gtbdbzknrin5m5gqb44-story.html

Record cold for Syracuse in June
https://www.localsyr.com/weather/record-cold-for-syracuse-in-june/

"The planet has a fever!"  Temperatures spiraling up out of control!"  "Past the point of no return".  Yet not one of these people says open the arctic for fracking, make natural gas universally available, or Build Nuclear Now.

This picture of G7 parking was determined to be old, fake:


https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-netizens-link-old-images-of-parked-aircraft-to-g7-summit-in-flight-of-fantasy-1817992-2021-06-22

Okay, fine, then how did these leaders and their entourages get to the summit?

Most unfortunate discovery of the last year:  Imprisoning people with global lockdown is 'good for the environment'.
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Six Facts the Left doesn't want you to know about 'Climate Change'
« Reply #573 on: July 19, 2021, 07:17:46 AM »
David Simon, Committee to Unleash Prosperity, Real Clear Markets

https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2021/07/12/six_facts_the_left_doesnt_want_you_to_know_about_global_warming_784976.html

Six Facts the Left Doesn't Want You To Know About Global Warming
.By David SimonJuly 12, 2021
Six Facts the Left Doesn't Want You To Know About Global Warming
President Biden implores us that climate change is an “existential threat” to humanity. Special Presidential Envoy for Climate John Kerry preaches to us that “[t]he climate crisis as a whole is a national security threat because it is disruptive to the daily lives of human beings all over the world.” Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez warns us that in 2030, “the world is going to end … if we don’t address climate change.”

Hold on to your wallet. The Left’s global warming Chicken Littles insist that the sky is falling but don’t want you to know six key facts.

First, in his new book “Unsettled,” Obama Administration Department of Energy chief scientist Steven Koonin shows that the models relied upon by the Left to predict future global warming are so poor that they cannot even reproduce the temperature changes in the 20th century.

If these models cannot reproduce past temperatures already known when the models were developed, how can they possibly reliably predict temperatures decades into the future?

Second, Koonin’s book also documents that the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s own analysis indicates that any negative economic impact that global warming eventually may have will be so modest that it warrants no action.

Third, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the UN IPPC do not claim that a link has been established between global warming and natural disasters.

In 2020, the NOAA stated: “it is premature to conclude with high confidence that increasing atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations from human activities have had a detectable impact on Atlantic basin hurricane activity,” and “changes in tropical cyclone activity … are not yet detectable.”

The UN IPPC, the Wall Street Journal reported, “says that it too lacks evidence to show that warming is making storms and flooding worse.”

Fourth, as the earth’s temperature has risen, natural disasters have become far less deadly.

Since 1920, the planet’s temperature has risen by 1.29 degrees Celsius and world population has quadrupled from less than two billion to over seven and half billion – yet EM-DAT, The International Disaster Database, reports that the number of people killed by natural disasters has declined by over 80 percent, from almost 550,000 per year to less than 100,000 per year.
Fifth, some of the world’s best scientists believe that global warming will be beneficial rather than harmful.

In 2017, a group of eminent scientists – such as Richard Lindzen of MIT and William Happer of Princeton – wrote that “
  • bservations [over the last] 25 years … show that warming from increased atmospheric CO2 will be benign.”
    Carbon dioxide, they noted, “is not a pollutant but a major benefit to agriculture and other life on Earth.”

    Sixth, global warming saves lives. A study published in 2015 by the British medical journal The Lancet found that cold kills over 17 times more people than heat.

    This study by 22 scientists from around the world – which examined over 74 million deaths in Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, the United Kingdom, and the United States in 1985-2012, “the largest dataset ever collected to assess temperature-health associations”– reported that cold caused 7.29 percent of these deaths, while heat caused only 0.42 percent.
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    Who knew?

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Genetically modified mosquitoes? - Nassim Taleb
« Reply #574 on: July 19, 2021, 08:29:13 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFm2lRRJNi0&t=373s

The Gates Foundation is financing genetically modified mosquitoes to control natural mosquitoes. This quick video:
1) Discusses the Four Pest Campaign by Mao that helped kill 15-50 Million people around 1960.
2) Explains why genetic modification has nothing to do with natural selection or animal breeding.
Scientism is not science.

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Re: Genetically modified mosquitoes? - Nassim Taleb
« Reply #575 on: July 19, 2021, 12:20:24 PM »
Humans are the pests Gates wishes to eradicate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFm2lRRJNi0&t=373s

The Gates Foundation is financing genetically modified mosquitoes to control natural mosquitoes. This quick video:
1) Discusses the Four Pest Campaign by Mao that helped kill 15-50 Million people around 1960.
2) Explains why genetic modification has nothing to do with natural selection or animal breeding.
Scientism is not science.

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Re: Environmental issues, Wildfires, CO2 and smoke
« Reply #576 on: July 30, 2021, 08:40:42 AM »
Worst air quality ever recorded across MN yesterday.  It's an overcast, sunny day today too.  I wore a mask outside some but my eyes still sting.

I'm lucky to not be in the heat or the blaze, but downwind is no treat either. 

Manitoba wildfire map:
https://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation_fire/Fire-Maps/fireview/fireview_map.html

When I read of natural disasters elsewhere, forest fires, volcanoes, earthquakes, it's just words.

I know (most) wildfires are natural, but in the age of CO2 scare, wouldn't that be a possible place to intervene with nature?
https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2021/07/28/co2-release-from-2017-kenow-wildfire-equivalent-of-1-1-1-8-million-cars/
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Environmental issues, Pot threatens the grid
« Reply #577 on: August 12, 2021, 09:07:06 AM »
80% of legal cannabis is grown indoors under lights.  One joint equals the emissions of driving 20 miles.  Who knew?  We are headed toward legalization in almost 50 states, plus bringing the transportation sector over, yet we don't have a clue how to power the grid.

We are going to use solar panels with efficiency and transmission loss to collect sunlight to power lights to grow plants that normally grow under the sun, and do that in night, rain and winter.  We have rolling blackouts now, an aging grid, no new nuclear plants, fracking bans and criminalized coal, but we need more and more energy to meet our demands.  What could go wrong.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/10/weed-cannabis-legalization-energy-503004

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vaccination by ethnic group
« Reply #578 on: August 13, 2021, 06:47:20 AM »
since we seem to be forced to look at all US people by race culture group

we should applaud the Navajo for the highest vaccination rate

(yet even 30 % have given the finger to vaccines not mentioned)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/despite-obstacles-native-americans-nations-133030617.html

so what is the news story here?

more woke stuff

Indians are better then others ....... I guess

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Environmental issues, Antarctic sea ice increasing
« Reply #579 on: August 31, 2021, 06:44:53 AM »
https://issuesinsights.com/2021/08/31/global-warming-narrative-takes-another-hit/

Antarctic ice increasing 3 consecutive years, maximum and minimum.  Trend lines since 1979 increasing.
And many other counter narrative facts.

Maybe that's why they don't call it global warming anymore.  The earth as a whole is not warming unless increasing ice mass is a sign of warming.
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Return to normal
« Reply #580 on: September 09, 2021, 05:23:37 PM »
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/09/return-of-the-hockey-stick.php

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/04/ipcc-6th-climate-report-who-deleted-the-medieval-warm-period-tracks-lead-to-university-of-bern/

IPCC’s 6th report reviewers reports, in translation from the German:

In the Middle Ages, it was similarly warm in Switzerland and other parts of Central Europe as it is today. The so-called Medieval Warm Period (MWP) is scientifically well documented in the region: Between 800 and 1300 A.D., many Alpine glaciers shrank dramatically and some were even shorter than today. The tree line shifted upward. Permafrost thawed in high alpine regions that are still firmly in the grip of ice today. Warm temperatures are also clearly evidenced by tree rings, pollen, chironomid fossils, and other geological reconstruction methods.

It had long been assumed that the medieval warmth might be a regional, North Atlantic phenomenon. However, this has not been confirmed, because the warm phase also occurred in many other regions of the world, for example, on the Antarctic Peninsula, in the Andes, in North America, in the Arctic, in the Mediterranean, in East Africa, China and New Zealand.

Together with professional colleagues, we at Die kalte Sonne have evaluated many hundreds of case studies from around the world in recent years and published the syntheses continent by continent in peer-reviewed journals.

Three of the publications have been cited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its recently published 6th Assessment of the Climate report. The medieval warmth was then followed globally by a precipitous drop in temperature. During the Little Ice Age, 1450-1850, the climate cooled to the coldest temperature level of the entire last ten thousand years.  [And now back to normal.]



Last rise shown is "adjusted data".  Still, not what you call unprecedented warmth.

The return to normal - after surviving the coldest temps [1450-1850] of the last ten thousand years - is dangerous.  Who else trust Joe Biden to "fix it"?
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Antarctica 2021: Coldest Winter Ever, In headlines everywhere
« Reply #581 on: October 04, 2021, 08:24:20 AM »
South Pole, coldest winter on record. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/10/01/south-pole-coldest-winter-record/

Who knew?

5th highest Sea Ice level on record.

“The extreme cold over Antarctica helped push sea ice levels surrounding the continent to their fifth-highest level on record in August.”  - Washington Post

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/03/south-pole-sees-record-cold-winter-smashing-1976-record-wapo-admits-chill-was-exceptional/

Not to nitpick, but two key components of the phenomenon formerly known as 'global warming' are global and warming.  If you don't have those, you might as well call it 'climate change'.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2021/09/beaufort-breakup/
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WSJ: Russian Permafrost not permanent
« Reply #582 on: October 05, 2021, 02:07:47 PM »
Climate Change Is Melting Russia’s Permafrost—and Challenging Its Oil Economy
Across Russia, the thawing of earth thought to be forever frozen cracks buildings, infrastructure; ‘It’s all on the line.’
A gas pipeline runs through permafrost land near Pokrovsk, Russia.
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YAKUTSK, Russia—Thawing earth once thought to be permanently frozen is springing to life and threatening a crucial chunk of Russia’s economy.

The melting of the thick layer of the earth known as permafrost is a result of climate change, according to scientists and Russia government research. Two-thirds of the country sits on such soil, including much of its oil and gas infrastructure. Since 1976, Russia’s average temperature has risen 0.92 degree Fahrenheit per decade, or 2½ times the global pace, government data shows.

Mines and plants are experiencing increasing corrosion leaks and cracks, stemming in large part from defrosting ground. In the pipeline industry, braces and other mechanisms, previously anchored into permafrost, often corrode, twist and bend when the earth below changes, according to ecologists and other researchers. Companies are pouring millions of dollars into reinforcing buildings, monitoring soil temperatures and installing high-tech cooling systems.


Pedestrians cross the street in the center of Yakutsk, Russia.

The city of Yakutsk faces infrastructure challenges due to permafrost.
The phenomenon was a contributor to the largest ever spill in the polar Arctic in spring 2020, when damage to a diesel fuel storage tank in remote Siberia caused 20,000 tons of fuel to leak.

After the spill, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared a national state of emergency and the country’s Prosecutor General ordered regional prosecutors to inspect all hazardous facilities built on permafrost. Russia’s Investigative Committee, the nation’s main investigations agency, later blamed the incident on negligence and poor maintenance. Officials at the Norilsk Nickel mining company that operates the installation—along with some government scientists and elected officials—said thawing permafrost caused the failure of posts supporting the basement where the storage tank laid.

“In the near past, everybody believed that permafrost would have an impact on infrastructure by the end of the century. Now we know we don’t have much time,” said Vladimir Romanovsky, professor of geophysics at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. “Oil, gas, villages—it’s all on the line.”

Russian economic officials and scientists estimate that thawing permafrost could affect more than a fifth of Russian infrastructure. The economy stands to lose more than $68 billion by 2050, a government minister said in May. The government says that 40% of buildings and infrastructure facilities in permafrost-covered areas have already been damaged.


Aging Russian buildings and equipment, much dating to the Cold War, don’t help matters. “We must be prepared for this,” said Mr. Putin during a nationwide address in June. Last month, he ordered the creation of a national permafrost monitoring system to analyze data from 140 stations.


Homes like these, on Avtozavodskaya Street in Yakutsk, often suffer cracked walls.
In Yakutsk, capital of the Northeast region of Yakutia, residents describe water pipes that regularly burst, creating fissures and holes in buildings. Roads buckle as moisture seeps in from below, leading to cracks in the asphalt. Trains run at slower speeds because of deformed tracks, local engineers said. Flooding was behind the resettlement of at least one waterlogged village from the basin of the remote Kolyma River.

Across the countryside, the effect of permafrost is plain to see. Thawing ice has transformed farmland into swamps and rivers swell in springtime with up to 30% more runoff compared with the 1980s, local scientists said. In villages, locals who previously stored meat and other perishables in cellars dug deep into the ground now must use ordinary deep freezers because of waterlogged subsoil.

For funerals, residents for centuries had to dig to approximately 5 feet underground, and then burn wood to heat the soil to suitable softness required to bury the dead. These days, there is no need for the second step, said local ecologist Valentina Dmitriyeva.


Vast Siberian craters, such as this one photographed in 2014, can form when underground gas bursts through soft, thawed earth.
PHOTO: VLADIMIR PUSHKAREV/RUSSIAN CENTRE OF ARCTIC EXPLORATION/REUTERS

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Permafrost, so named because it is a permanently frozen thick layer under the earth’s surface, consists of soil, rock or sediment that usually remains below freezing for more than two years. It can be found near dry land and under the ocean floor, anywhere from an inch to several miles beneath the surface. It is most common in historically frigid places such as Russia, the Alps and China’s mountainous regions.

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The softening of the soil is both a result of global warming, and emits gases that contribute to it, according to the U.S. Environment Protection Agency. As permafrost thaws, the remains of plants and other organic material decompose, releasing methane and carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, the EPA says, exacerbating the matter.

In some areas, thawing ground can give way to craters. Scientists say the likely reason is the steady buildup of underground gases able to burst through soft upper permafrost layers.

In Alaska, the top layer of permafrost at the northern sensor site of Deadhorse has warmed by 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit per decade since the late 1970s, according to U.S. statistics. Foundations of Alaskan homes have been unsettled while highways and railroad tracks require repair due to cracking, heaving and sinking. Canada’s northern Arctic has experienced damage to homes, roads, indigenous cultural sites and the marine environment.


For some of Russia’s biggest businesses, adjustments for permafrost are already under way.


An employee stands on the edge of a Siberian diamond mining pit, where energy giant Alrosa pulls diamonds from the permafrost with the help of explosives.
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Alrosa, one of the world’s largest diamond producers, has 82% of its reserves in permafrost areas, according to Morgan Stanley. The company says it has added “freezing columns” to its mines; the columns connect to refrigeration stations on the surface and shoot coolant dozens of feet beneath the ground to firm up the earth.

Alrosa has what it calls a Permafrost Surveillance Unit in Siberia to monitor the soil temperature in 4,800 wells. Another miner, PAO Severstal, says it is building structures on stilts, to better adapt to shifting ground.

For oil-and-gas companies, permafrost interferes with both the extraction of resources and subsequent transport.


Around 90% of the gas production of state-controlled energy giant PAO Gazprom is located in permafrost-covered provinces, according to Morgan Stanley. At its Bovanenkovskoye field, a vast facility in Northern Russia that Gazprom hopes will last for another century, the company has installed 1,000 vapor-liquid cooling units, a system of underground pipes to circulate a refrigerant compound and ensure the ground stays frozen.


Alexander Sobul, a professional diver and underwater repairman for pipeline infrastructure in Yakutia for four decades, said he’s noticed increased cracking and deformation during his dives. He blames the loosening of previously dense soil surrounding pipelines. “The welding doesn’t hold up,” Mr. Sobul says.

Morgan Stanley researchers say melting permafrost and related infrastructure degradation could harm Russia’s credit profile. The oil-and-gas sector contributes as much as one-fifth of the nation’s gross domestic product, while fuel and energy products make up the majority of Russia’s exports.

“You can see that the companies take it very seriously,” said Willem Visser, a credit analyst at asset manager T. Rowe Price. Mr. Visser has added metrics of permafrost risk to his analyses of Russian energy companies.

‘The building was shaking’
The effects are particularly acute in Yakutia, the vast northeast Russia area of 1.2 million square miles, five times the size of France. Yakutia’s capital of Yakutsk is the coldest constantly inhabited city in the world; temperatures fall to below minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit for at least three months each year. The region this summer made headlines for out-of-control wildfires that further thawed the soil, scientists say.

Commodity extraction is a key part of the Yakutia economy. The $55 billion Power of Siberia pipeline, a strategically crucial project that delivers Russian natural gas to China, largely carries gas found in Yakutia fields.

When the first crack appeared in the ceiling of her weatherworn Yakutsk apartment, Larisa Tikhonova paid it little mind.


Larisa Tikhonova has been waiting eleven years for repairs to her damaged apartment.

Cracks stutter the hallway of a building in Yakutsk.
Shortly after, the cracks multiplied, spreading across newly formed crevices on the wall of her 1950s-era kitchen. Later, a stench rose from standing water under the four-story building. Ms. Tikhonova and her neighbors called emergency services, and even sued the government of this city of 300,000 in remote northeast Siberia, but no help came. She has been waiting for 11 years.

Other locals say they too are accustomed to hearing groans or pops as buildings lean and walls crack. Fewer than three dozen of Yakutsk’s 2,000 concrete apartment buildings were deemed safe when tested roughly 10 years ago, the ecologist Ms. Dmitriyeva said, and few repairs have been made since.

Segments of the city’s buildings collapsed in 2010, 2011, 2015 and last year.

On a walk earlier this year through Avtodorozhnaya Street, a quiet residential neighborhood, local construction engineer Eduard Romanov surveyed corrosion nibbling at the foundation of a two-story apartment building. In summer 2020, the building was marked as uninhabitable by local officials after a foot-wide fissure appeared on the front facade while residents were still inside.

Security guard Eduard Kirillin was among them, sitting at his computer drinking tea in the apartment his parents owned, when he heard a loud cracking sound. Worried the roof had caved in, Mr. Kirillin ran into the street with other neighbors, only to discover the side of the building splitting apart.


“I remember earlier seeing water pipes leaking under the building,” Mr. Kirillin said. “It was always wet under there. And the night before the accident, it was as though the building was shaking,” he said.

One month after the incident, residents were allowed to return to salvage belongings. Mr. Kirillin, said his parents were compensated the equivalent of around $42,600 by the local government. The building was demolished this summer.


Security guard Eduard Kirillin was allowed twenty minutes to collect belongings from his parent’s damaged apartment.

Construction engineer Eduard Romanov investigates structural problems in Yakutsk.
Houses in Yakutsk could once safely be built on piles sunk 26 feet into frozen ground, Mr. Romanov said. Nowadays, they must be dug in at almost 40 feet.

Roughly 3 miles away on Lenina Street, in a corner apartment two floors above Ms. Tikhonova, Viktor Polyanichko’s parents are surrounded by deterioration. Their apartment, Mr. Polyanichko said, “has big cracks everywhere. The doorway is skewed. And my parents say they can hear the beams cracking above.”

Neither Mr. Polyanichko nor other residents could assign certain blame. The State Building and Housing Supervision Authority of Yakutia estimates that 99% of cracks in homes can be traced to poor building maintenance. “The most important thing is management,” said Vlad Permyakov, the agency’s first deputy head.

Local ecologists and scientists, as well as engineers such as Mr. Romanov, said thawing ground was a major factor. “Building basements is very difficult,” said Valery Lepov, director of research-focused Larionov Institute of the Physical-Technical Problems of the North. “We can do this only in some places where there is not a lot of thawing.”

In summer 2020, seams burst on a local fuel tank connected to an electrical power station in the remote Yakutia village of Argakhtakh. Some five tons of diesel fuel flooded into the surrounding soil and a nearby river.

The district prosecutor investigated the spill and determined that it resulted from the failure of district officials to promptly detect that the fuel storage tank showed signs of erosion, a telltale sign of thawing permafrost.

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Re: WSJ: Russian Permafrost not permanent
« Reply #583 on: October 06, 2021, 12:18:31 PM »
Climate Change Is Melting Russia’s Permafrost—and Challenging Its Oil Economy
Across Russia, the thawing of earth thought to be forever frozen cracks buildings, infrastructure; ‘It’s all on the line.’
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Where to start with this.  "Thought to be forever frozen".  By whom?  Someone who never read a page of earth climate history?  Devastating to the people who live there.  Are you kidding?  A few degrees of warming is the best thing that could happen to half of Russia.  California would kill for their water runoff.  The warming is happening everywhere, but they fail to mention the 'other pole' just had it's coldest winter ever. 

Any idea what's causing it?  If it's humans, they might look in the mirror.  Russia has an energy mix that is 90% fossil fuels, (as does the world), they get zero percent from solar and wind, and only 5% from carbon free nuclear power, even though they ARE a nuclear power.  Their 90% fossil fuel mix doesn't count the fossil fuels they produce and export to be burned throughout Europe and Asia.

https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/russia

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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #584 on: October 06, 2021, 09:27:14 PM »
Good response.

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Re: Environmental issues, Global temps slightly down last 4 years
« Reply #585 on: October 12, 2021, 10:16:38 AM »
Global temperatures declined [under Trumo].    :wink:



https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/05/climate-emergency-nothing-but-politics-and-propaganda-unsupported-by-scientific-data/

CO2 levels measured at Mauna Loa increasing on a straight line basis.  Temperatures are not.

Note that all anomalies are within one degree of "base period 1901-2000".
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PFAS
« Reply #586 on: October 19, 2021, 09:50:30 AM »
maybe a good thing
but OTOH
no clear adverse health risk known:

https://www.cdc.gov/biomonitoring/PFAS_FactSheet.html

but "BOLD!!!!"

AP propping up the the prez and changing the subject ; doing their Dem party propaganda best :

https://www.yahoo.com/news/epa-unveils-strategy-regulate-toxic-130310326.html
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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #587 on: October 22, 2021, 03:42:50 AM »
I'm glad something is being done about PFAS.

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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #588 on: October 22, 2021, 09:58:49 AM »
why exactly?

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Re: Environmental issues
« Reply #589 on: October 26, 2021, 02:13:34 AM »
Because my understanding is that they fukk with human hormonal systems.
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new word game
« Reply #590 on: October 29, 2021, 05:28:30 AM »
Everything the Left does is listed as justice

now we have something I had not seen prior, though maybe it was out there,

"environmental justice"

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/28/bidens-build-back-better-bill-555-billion-clean-energy-investments/

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Re: new word game
« Reply #591 on: October 29, 2021, 01:29:12 PM »
Yes.  Falsely called "environmental justice"

And falsely called "Clean Energy Investments".

Let me guess, not one penny or finger lifted for carbon free nuclear energy.

WHY IS THAT?

Is it clean to pug your Tesla into a coal plant?

As stated previously, every watt of solar or wind installed requires at least two watts of fossil fuel to cover the vast periods when the the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow, like nighttime and winter.

For every billion or so we put into solar and wind, China builds another coal plant.  Same atmosphere, Who knew?

Wouldn't you think subsidizing PEOPLE who buy $100,000 cars would trip some kind of a Democrat smell test?

Every dollar of distraction puts us days or years away from real solutions.

Now we find out obsolete wind and solar have real waste disposal issues.  They fail but never decompose.

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Re: Environmental issues, Climate summit, Scotland
« Reply #592 on: November 01, 2021, 08:37:08 AM »
First, minimum global taxation.  That's how serious we are about the catastrophe.

Nothing about science.  Everything about politics.  'James bond dismantling a bomb a minute before midnight?'  Good grief.

Coldest winter ever at the South Pole.  Not mentioned.  It's fcking freezing here, but not a minute to spare.

FYI:  We could build 400 new nuclear power plants around the world for the cost of the Democrats green energy "infrastructure" bill that builds nothing and you could have carbon free power for the foreseeable future for the fuel cost of $0.0000077/Wh.

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph241/wang-k2/

The rest is all BS.  In their own words: "Blah, blah, blah."

"the G20 summit in Italy ended without an agreement to phase out coal consumption"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1514585/Boris-Johnson-speech-live-COP26-climate-warning

Umm, why would you phase out coal when you have NOTHING to replace it?

PS:  Did Biden and Trudeau carpool to Scotland or fly separate entourages?  Every ton of carbon matters - not.


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« Reply #593 on: November 01, 2021, 08:40:26 AM »
Why not do these meetings through Zoom or a similar secure platform? No caviar and champagne socials.

First, minimum global taxation.  That's how serious we are about the catastrophe.

Nothing about science.  Everything about politics.  'James bond dismantling a bomb a minute before midnight?'  Good grief.

Coldest winter ever at the South Pole.  Not mentioned.  It's fcking freezing here, but not a minute to spare.

FYI:  We could build 400 new nuclear power plants around the world for the cost of the Democrats green energy "infrastructure" bill that builds nothing and you could have carbon free power for the foreseeable future for the fuel cost of $0.0000077/Wh.

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph241/wang-k2/

The rest is all BS.  In their own words: "Blah, blah, blah."

"the G20 summit in Italy ended without an agreement to phase out coal consumption"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1514585/Boris-Johnson-speech-live-COP26-climate-warning

Umm, why would you phase out coal when you have NOTHING to replace it?

PS:  Did Biden and Trudeau carpool to Scotland or fly separate entourages?  Every ton of carbon matters - not.

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« Reply #594 on: November 01, 2021, 08:44:00 AM »
https://nypost.com/2021/10/29/joe-biden-sees-rome-with-85-car-motorcade-before-climate-summit/

Why not do these meetings through Zoom or a similar secure platform? No caviar and champagne socials.

First, minimum global taxation.  That's how serious we are about the catastrophe.

Nothing about science.  Everything about politics.  'James bond dismantling a bomb a minute before midnight?'  Good grief.

Coldest winter ever at the South Pole.  Not mentioned.  It's fcking freezing here, but not a minute to spare.

FYI:  We could build 400 new nuclear power plants around the world for the cost of the Democrats green energy "infrastructure" bill that builds nothing and you could have carbon free power for the foreseeable future for the fuel cost of $0.0000077/Wh.

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph241/wang-k2/

The rest is all BS.  In their own words: "Blah, blah, blah."

"the G20 summit in Italy ended without an agreement to phase out coal consumption"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1514585/Boris-Johnson-speech-live-COP26-climate-warning

Umm, why would you phase out coal when you have NOTHING to replace it?

PS:  Did Biden and Trudeau carpool to Scotland or fly separate entourages?  Every ton of carbon matters - not.

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Re: Environmental issues, Climate summit, Scotland
« Reply #595 on: November 01, 2021, 08:47:35 AM »
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https://nypost.com/2021/10/29/joe-biden-sees-rome-with-85-car-motorcade-before-climate-summit/

Why not do these meetings through Zoom or a similar secure platform? No caviar and champagne socials.

First, minimum global taxation.  That's how serious we are about the catastrophe.

Nothing about science.  Everything about politics.  'James bond dismantling a bomb a minute before midnight?'  Good grief.

Coldest winter ever at the South Pole.  Not mentioned.  It's fcking freezing here, but not a minute to spare.

FYI:  We could build 400 new nuclear power plants around the world for the cost of the Democrats green energy "infrastructure" bill that builds nothing and you could have carbon free power for the foreseeable future for the fuel cost of $0.0000077/Wh.

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph241/wang-k2/

The rest is all BS.  In their own words: "Blah, blah, blah."

"the G20 summit in Italy ended without an agreement to phase out coal consumption"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1514585/Boris-Johnson-speech-live-COP26-climate-warning

Umm, why would you phase out coal when you have NOTHING to replace it?

PS:  Did Biden and Trudeau carpool to Scotland or fly separate entourages?  Every ton of carbon matters - not.

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PAul Krugman
« Reply #596 on: November 03, 2021, 04:40:42 PM »
and his ilk

"the world is awash in cash"

the power brokers pledge

130 trillion ,
 yes  trillion, for climate change:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politicians-exit-cop26-130tn-worth-114309240.html?fr=sychp_catchall

of course this will cost other 8 billion on the planet nothing

thank GOD we have the elites to take care of the rest of us
and decide what is best for the masses... :wink:

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Re: PAul Krugman
« Reply #597 on: November 03, 2021, 07:33:17 PM »
Don't worry, they want to kill most of us off.


and his ilk

"the world is awash in cash"

the power brokers pledge

130 trillion ,
 yes  trillion, for climate change:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politicians-exit-cop26-130tn-worth-114309240.html?fr=sychp_catchall

of course this will cost other 8 billion on the planet nothing

thank GOD we have the elites to take care of the rest of us
and decide what is best for the masses... :wink:

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« Reply #598 on: November 04, 2021, 04:35:49 PM »
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/04/gore-touts-technology-tracking-identities-of-greenhouse-gas-emitters-we-can-take-action/

anyone think this young girl chasing older man

who flies around the world on a private jet
just might have pre IPO shares and other business interests

(board of directors positions etc.)

on any of these companies he touts to save humanity
and hold those responsible for using gas oil coal and other weapons of mass destruction ?

 :wink:

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