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« Reply #100 on: April 14, 2021, 11:45:25 AM »
https://nypost.com/2021/04/13/daunte-wright-was-facing-attempted-robbery-case-when-killed-by-cop/

what is the legal story about

this?    inadmissible from defense unless the prosecution brings this up

This guy was a dangerous person........
but that might prejudice the jury  :-o

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Re: Law Enforcement, Officer charged
« Reply #101 on: April 14, 2021, 01:14:11 PM »
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/prosecutors-will-not-charge-capitol-police-officer-in-death-of-ashli-babbitt/

Former Brooklyn Center police officer Kimberly Potter will be charged with second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Daunte Wright.  The charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison.
https://news.yahoo.com/minnesota-police-officer-charged-in-connection-with-shooting-of-duante-wright-163108978.html
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Daunte's alleged crimes (illegal firearm, aggravated robbery) include him using a gun perhaps similar to the one that ended his life? Wasn't Daunte risking accidental discharge also (and ending an innocent life) in the commission of the crime that led his warrant and this incident?

https://www.revolver.news/2021/04/minnesota-riots-daunte-wright-shooting-2021-american-clown-show/

"In 2019, Wright was arrested twice in one week, including for aggravated robbery, a felony. In summer 2020, a warrant went out for Wright after he violated the terms of his 2019 release. For good measure, Wright then allegedly committed another pair of offenses when he was found brandishing an illegal firearm and fled from police (who were able to recognize him based on past encounters)"

    - I looked up Daunte's criminal record and all I see for convictions are two petty misdemeanors.  At the link above they have court documents on those charges and court appearances, but how does this drag out two years without acquittal or conviction?  His 2019 arrest and release (and continuances, no doubt) fell into the Covid-based court shutdown of 2020?  In April of 2021, justice was still pending? 

If it was the Covid court closings of 2020 that kept his trial from happening, it's pretty bad that getting a fair trial for the accused and getting criminals convicted and off the street are considered non-essential activities.

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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #102 on: April 14, 2021, 01:22:51 PM »
".https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/prosecutors-will-not-charge-capitol-police-officer-in-death-of-ashli-babbitt/ "

not only this

we don't even know who the police officer is.
identity is under lock and key!!!

must be no race story to pedal here folks
And I guess since the police officer was protecting the politicians (democrats)
not the little people

maybe he /she is black?
move along


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Re: Law Enforcement- Daunte
« Reply #104 on: April 15, 2021, 09:02:14 AM »
One more small point on the Daunte killing, there was a woman in his car when the officer tried to stop him from turning a warrant arrest situation into potentially a high speed chase scene.  Besides others who may get hurt in his path, wasn't it reasonable to think this woman would be in immediate danger if Daunte was not stopped?

https://www.forcescience.org/2021/04/unintended-a-theory-of-taser-weapon-confusion/?utm_campaign=FSN%20419&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&fbclid=IwAR1kMPr4Js8e-AhuOg66owRQ0nsrCDa_y5jVSrHlaMPR6GuoMHD49iLlZ5Y

Good analogy there to medical errors - that seem to happen all the time. 
https://mymedicalscore.com/medical-error-statistics/
Those are trained personnel.  Before right knee surgery, don't the put an X on the right knee, so they don't cut the left.  Amputations I suspect are even more careful. 
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https://www.kare11.com/article/news/investigations/a-prior-gun-and-taser-police-shooting-mistake-in-minnesota/89-f7a23699-f574-4243-ae75-d18cf6bc5131
Amazing similarity!    From the article: “The weight of a firearm is different, the feel of it, the trigger, the trigger pull”

Regarding carpentry, people say 'measure twice, cut once', which I think is nonsense.  Measure carefully, take your time, give it your maximum, undivided attention, get it right, and cut.  This situation is different.  She took the time to follow proper procedure, hollering taser twice, warning her fellow officers, warning the suspect, but was she supposed to take her eyes off the suspect, check her weapon, stop and think what she may be missing... not possible in the situation, and the cause of the immediacy of the problem was Daunte, not her.

Mistaking gun for taser doesn't happen often, but it happens.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/explainer-officer-gun-taser-77031088
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/investigations/a-prior-gun-and-taser-police-shooting-mistake-in-minnesota/89-f7a23699-f574-4243-ae75-d18cf6bc5131



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resisting arrest in Black and White
« Reply #105 on: April 15, 2021, 02:40:28 PM »
the comments section is more revealing then
the article

like said in the past, people can always find a study and turn the stats on their head:

https://www.wnyc.org/story/resisting-arrest-black-white/

the violent crime rate is highest among Blacks proportionately

does not that explain the obvious
   as far as I can tell
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Re: resisting arrest
« Reply #106 on: April 15, 2021, 04:17:10 PM »
Yes, I'm sure the bodycam footage shows the black arrestees charged with resisting meekly turning around and cuffing up...



the comments section is more revealing then
the article

like said in the past, people can always find a study and turn the stats on their head:

https://www.wnyc.org/story/resisting-arrest-black-white/

the violent crime rate is highest among Blacks proportionately

does not that explain the obvious
   as far as I can tell

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Re: Law Enforcement, George Floyd
« Reply #107 on: April 16, 2021, 06:41:28 AM »
I'm not seeing any reason whatsoever to keep the knee on once Floyd went out; even when the EMTs arrived.

Were I the officer what would occur to me at the very least would be to turn him on his back and elevate his legs or the cuffs behind made that difficult to put him on his side.

This case goes to the jury Monday. I've been seeing it from the reasonable doubt point of view, drug overdose and
other issues, but I have not watched the trial.  Scott Johnson, an attorney and Powerline co-founder attended and reported daily on it locally, tried to take it all in from the jury's point of view, finds the prosecution's case overwhelming, expects guilty verdict.

No one expected officer Chauvin to testify, but if you are about to be found guilty of murder for judgment you exercised in the heat ofvthe moment on the job, why would you not insist on telling your side of the story?

What does the mob do with a guilty verdict?  Go home or celebrate by burning the town down?

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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #108 on: April 16, 2021, 10:32:22 AM »
".No one expected officer Chauvin to testify, but if you are about to be found guilty of murder for judgment you exercised in the heat ofvthe moment on the job, why would you not insist on telling your side of the story?"

perhaps the defense was concerned this would open the door so that his past record and complaints of brutality would be presented to the jury.

I am pretending to be a lawyer.

 



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Guardian: LEOs crowd funding Kyle Rittenhouse, more
« Reply #110 on: April 16, 2021, 03:23:07 PM »
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Leftist link... article copied below.

A data breach at a Christian crowdfunding website has revealed that serving police officers and public officials have donated money to fundraisers for accused vigilante murderers, far-right activists, and fellow officers accused of shooting black Americans. In many of these cases, the donations were attached to their official email addresses, raising questions about the use of public resources in supporting such campaigns.

The breach, shared with journalists by transparency group Distributed Denial of Secrets, revealed the details of some donors who had previously attempted to conceal their identities using GiveSendGo’s anonymity feature, but whose identifying details the website preserved.

The beneficiaries of donations from public officials include Kyle Rittenhouse, who stands accused of murdering two leftwing protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last August. Rittenhouse traveled from neighboring Illinois to, by his own account, offer armed protection to businesses during protests over the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

Rittenhouse, who became a cause célèbre across conservative media throughout late 2020, and was even supported by then president Donald Trump, held a fundraiser on GiveSendGo billed as a contribution to his legal defense. According to data from the site, he raised $586,940 between 27 August last year and 7 January .

Among the donors were several associated with email addresses traceable to police and other public officials.

One donation for $25, made on 3 September last year, was made anonymously, but associated with the official email address for Sgt William Kelly, who currently serves as the executive officer of internal affairs in the Norfolk police department in Virginia.

That donation also carried a comment, reading: “God bless. Thank you for your courage. Keep your head up. You’ve done nothing wrong.”

The comment continued: “Every rank and file police officer supports you. Don’t be discouraged by actions of the political class of law enforcement leadership.”

Another Rittenhouse donor using an official email address was Craig Shepherd, who public records show is a paramedic in Utah. This donor gave $10 to Rittenhouse on 30 August.

Donations also came to Rittenhouse associated with official email addresses for Keith Silvers, and employee of the city of Huntsville, Alabama, and another $100 was associated with the official address of Michael Crosley, an engineer at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, a body which is charged with maintaining the US’s nuclear weapons stockpile.

Meanwhile, several Wisconsin police officers donated to a fundraiser, “Support Rusten Sheskey”, held for the Kenosha police department officer whose shooting of a black man, Jacob Blake, led to the protests that drew Rittenhouse to the city.

Two $20 donations to Sheskey’s fund were associated with email addresses of a pair of lieutenants in Green Bay, Wisconsin’s police department. One, given under the name, “GBPD Officer”, was tied to an address associated with Chad Ramos, a training lieutenant in the department; another anonymous donation was associated with Keith A Gehring, who is listed as a school resources officer lieutenant.

Another donation to Sheskey was associated with the official email address of officer Pat Gainer of the Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin police department. Given under the screen name “PPPD Motor 179”, the donation also carried the comment: “Stay strong brother.”

About 32 more donations, totaling more than $5,000, came to Sheskey from private email addresses associated with Kenosha officers, but under badge numbers rather than names.

More anonymous donations on the site came from city employees of Houston, Texas, who were objecting to the actions of the then police chief, Art Acevedo, who fired four Houston police officers after they shot and killed a man, Nicolas Chavez, who was on his knees, and in an apparent mental health crisis.

One anonymous donation of $100 was associated with the official address of that city’s fire chief, Samuel Peña, who has himself faced recent employee revolts over cost-cutting, but who has been publicly supportive of Acevedo, describing him in a tweet as a “brother & partner in Public Safety” in March, when Acevedo announced that he would be taking up an appointment as Miami’s chief of police.

Another anonymous donation of $400 was attributed in site data to an email linked to Chris Andersen and carried the comment: “I think that Chief Acevedo is part of the ‘unrecognized form of police corruption’ that Chris Anderson [sic] wrote about in his book’. Hang in there guys!!!”

Andersen’s book, The Sniper: Hunting A Serial Killer – A True Story, purports to tell the story of the hunt for a serial killer by Houston police at a time when “the United States was experiencing a wave of civil discontent regarding the unwarranted shootings (either true or perceived) of black men by law enforcement (the Black Lives Matter era)”.

In his Amazon bio, Andersen describes himself as a “39-year veteran of the Houston police department”, and as having worked in roles including homicide detective, supervising a Swat team and internal affairs.

In an email, the Green Bay police chief, Andrew Smith, wrote of the donations that “we are looking into the matter”, but added on Sheskey’s actions that his department “does not take a position on other agencies use of force”.

Lynda Seaver, director of public affairs at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, wrote in an email that Michael Crosley had made “an honest mistake”, and had “never intended to use his Lab email on this matter”.

All other agencies and individuals who were included in the Guardian’s reporting did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The Guardian previously reported on the use of the site for fundraising purposes for far-right groups like the Proud Boys, who have been banned from other crowdfunding platforms after violent incidents including the alleged participation of members of the group in an attack on the United States Capitol building on 6 January.
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The Failure of Defund the Police
« Reply #111 on: April 16, 2021, 04:32:08 PM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-failure-of-defund-the-police/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MJ_20210416&utm_term=Jolt-Smart

"But as many of us have pointed out in the past few years, America’s major cities, particularly the ones that have tense relationships between black communities and heavily white police forces, are almost entirely Democratic run. Their city councils are Democratic. Their mayors are Democratic. In many cases, the governors of the states are Democratic. In the majority of these circumstances, there are no Republicans to blame. And for a little while, some non-conservative media institutions started asking the uncomfortable question of why Democrats, who insisted they always opposed racism, ran cities where African Americans perceived the police forces as irredeemably racist. "



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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #112 on: April 18, 2021, 10:06:31 AM »
".No one expected officer Chauvin to testify, but if you are about to be found guilty of murder for judgment you exercised in the heat ofvthe moment on the job, why would you not insist on telling your side of the story?"

perhaps the defense was concerned this would open the door so that his past record and complaints of brutality would be presented to the jury.

From what I hear, defense was afraid of Chauvin facing a cross examination by the prosecutor of the original 9 minute video made into broken down, minute by minute, second by second.  'Officer, he hasn't moved or shown signs of life in 20 seconds, what are you thinking now as you continue to hold him with the weight of your knee on his neck area?  At one minute, two minutes, three minutes, jury watching the film for the umpteenth time, what are you now thinking about the last time he said he can't breathe?  Advance the video, stop the video, what you thinking now as you continue the hold?  And so on. Did you check for a pulse?  Is he still resisting?  Did you think he could even get up on his own if you let up on your hold.  Did you think to roll him over - after another officer suggested putting him on his side.  Could he pull a knife or a gun with his hands handcuffed behind his back.  What other holds have you been trained on?  Wouldn't one of those have worked here, after he has been still for 4 minutes, 5 minutes?  In the entire incident, did he try to harm an officer or anyone else? If he started to get aggressive at this point, you have 3 more officers with you, do you think you could handle that possibility, and so on.  What if the ambulance did not come at all and he had not moved or struggled, when would you have changed the position...
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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #113 on: April 18, 2021, 02:06:47 PM »
"What if the ambulance did not come at all and he had not moved or struggled, when would you have changed the position..."

it seems when the hearse drove up....

 :cry:

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capital police officer identity concealed
« Reply #114 on: April 19, 2021, 08:03:56 AM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2021/04/19/who-killed-ashli-babbitt-n2588074

a more detailed account :

https://www.masslive.com/news/2021/02/capitol-officer-who-shot-ashli-babbitt-is-in-hiding-for-his-own-safety-what-we-know-about-the-investigation.html

My beef is not with the capital officer
as for me people crashing into the Capital is worthy of armed resistance

my beef is the double msm standard for law enforcement
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Andrew McCarthy
« Reply #115 on: April 19, 2021, 10:03:13 AM »
The ex prosecutor would choose manslaughter as most appropriate conviction

and gives very detailed rational argument as to why:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/george-floyds-death-how-should-i-the-jury-decide-the-charges-against-derek-chauvin/

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Re: Andrew McCarthy
« Reply #116 on: April 19, 2021, 11:00:28 AM »
The ex prosecutor would choose manslaughter as most appropriate conviction

and gives very detailed rational argument as to why:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/george-floyds-death-how-should-i-the-jury-decide-the-charges-against-derek-chauvin/

The verdict may say guilty on all counts.  If the above turns out to be true, the verdict will read not guilty twice before it reads guilty once to the third charge of negligent homicide.

To the layman, these 3 charges are very similar, none involve intentional murder:
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https://www.startribune.com/derek-chauvin-charges-trial-george-floyd-murder-manslaughter-police-minneapolis-minnesota/600030691/

What is second-degree unintentional murder?
For a conviction of second-degree unintentional murder, the state's prosecutors will have to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin caused Floyd's death while assaulting him. This is the most serious charge and carries a presumed sentence in this case of 10 3⁄4 years to 15 years, according to state sentencing guidelines.

What is third-degree murder?
Third-degree murder requires prosecutors to prove that someone caused the death of another "by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life." Legal experts note that the definition of "depraved mind" is murky— as is the legal line between "depraved mind" and the "culpable negligence" standard for manslaughter.

What is second-degree manslaughter?
In order to convict Chauvin of second-degree manslaughter, prosecutors will need to show beyond a reasonable doubt that he was "culpably negligent" and took an "unreasonable risk" with Floyd's life when he restrained him and that his actions put Floyd at risk of death or great harm. Prosecutors do not have to prove that Chauvin's actions intended to cause Floyd's death, only that his actions put Floyd at risk of death or great bodily harm.
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Re: Law Enforcement, Chauvin trial
« Reply #119 on: April 20, 2021, 06:52:11 AM »
I watched the defense closing, the rebuttal and the words of the judge at the end.  Though I missed the strongest testimonies of the prosecution witnesses, I find the reasonable doubt argument of the defense compelling and the rebuttal to be at least partly bullshit.

My own immediate best interests would be best served by a guilty, guilty, guilty verdict,  but I would still be stuck not knowing what George Floyd died of, nor would I know if that is what the evidence said or if that is what the jurors believe is expected of them by others, inside and outside the jury room.

The unfair trial issue is separate.  Chauvin will be in prison waiting for that appeal to happen and the pressure against going backward at that point will be just as unfair.

The threat of burning the city, maybe the world down if not guilty is very loud, very public and very real, not avoidable to the non sequestered jury, who enter an otherwise closed giant building that occupies two blocks downtown surrounded with concrete barriers with barbed wire, went home last week to martial law, hears the Governor speaking of the validity of the rage DURING the trial and then the Maxine Waters story, and more. None of that taints the case or the jury?

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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #120 on: April 20, 2021, 07:09:57 AM »
If you gets the manslaughter charge
are we still going to see riots

the back lash to the riots will be bigger despite what MSM will portray

majority of Americans are fed up
imho

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Dershowitz
« Reply #121 on: April 20, 2021, 03:38:15 PM »
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/dershowitz-maxine-waters-tactics-similar-to-those-used-by-ku-klux-klan_3783973.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email2&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-04-20-2&mktids=42eae8a9bef817222e957a990cb80b1c&est=XJjfqkxKEX0VvaQ8fzwPcgF0xrQW%2F5A77xKjjgX6qJ87jIWJIfdynQSttfo%3D


“I think there will be a conviction, at least on the manslaughter charge. The issue will go to the Court of Appeals,” he said on Newsmax. “And will the Court of Appeals have the courage to reverse this conviction on the ground … that the jury was subjected to intimidation tactics, not only by Waters but by others as well who threatened violence in the event of an acquittal or a lesser charge than murder?


ME:
No, no court will have he courage.   

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Law Enforcement: Fair trial? Chauvin
« Reply #122 on: April 21, 2021, 07:52:48 AM »
12 jurors on 3 counts voted exactly the same, 36 votes the same.  Not one bought the defense argument of reasonable doubt that, for one thing, 3 times the fatal dose of fentanyl was a significant contributing factor.  Great.  But what if one or more jurors did have doubt on one or more counts?  Is it reasonable to assume that, had one juror held out against the rest on even one count, he or she would have felt secure in voting his or her conscience, and not expect be called out, doxxed, shamed, harassed, perhaps attacked, murdered with family by a relentless mob, and be the focal point of the violence sure to follow?

News that the jurors were not sequestered from:

Jury came home last Monday to martial law ordered by the Governor over violence expected related to this case.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pig-s-head-thrown-former-home-chauvin-defense-witness-n1264440
Vandals threw a pig's head [and smeared blood on the house] at the one-time home of a former California police officer who served as a defense witness

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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #123 on: April 21, 2021, 09:18:53 AM »
As a matter of logic, how can Chauvin be guilty of all three charges?  Aren't they mutually exclusive?


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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #125 on: April 21, 2021, 10:28:36 AM »
paywall blocked by the NYT.
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The USA Today piece:  Does this meet our concerns?

MINNEAPOLIS – Derek Chauvin, the former police officer seen on video pressing his knee to George Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes, was found guilty of all counts he was charged with, including second-degree murder, on Tuesday.

Chauvin, who is white, was charged with second-degree and third-degree murder, as well as second-degree manslaughter in the death of George Floyd on May 25, 2020, while in police custody.

Cell phone video of the incident went viral and touched off months of protests in the U.S. and abroad condemning police brutality and calling for racial justice. The widely watched trial, which began in March with jury selection, was livestreamed —Minnesota's first criminal case to be televised.

Chauvin faces a recommended 150 months or 12 1/2 years in prison under sentencing guidelines for first-time offenders. But the prosecution is seeking a higher prison term due to "aggravating factors." So he may face up to 30 years in prison though the judge may sentence him to less.

Here's what to know about the charges:

Guilty: Second-degree murder charge
Second-degree murder is causing the death of a human being, without intent to cause that death, while committing or attempting to commit another felony. In this case, the felony was third-degree assault. Chauvin was charged with committing or intentionally aiding in the commission of this crime.


To convict Chauvin on this count, Judge Peter Cahill told jurors they must find that the former officer intended to commit an assault that could cause bodily harm or intentionally aided in committing such an assault.

“It is not necessary for the state to prove the defendant had an intent to kill Floyd. But it must prove that the defendant committed, or attempted to commit, the underlying felony,” the judge said.


Cahill added that the state must prove that the assault either inflicted bodily harm on Floyd or was intended to commit bodily harm. That essentially could include loss of consciousness, the judge said.

“It is not necessary for the state to prove that the defendant intended to inflict substantial bodily harm, or knew that his actions would inflict substantial bodily harm, only that the defendant intended to commit the assault, and George Floyd sustained substantial bodily harm,” Cahill said.


Guilty: Third-degree murder charge

Third-degree murder is unintentionally causing someone’s death by committing an act that is eminently dangerous to other persons while exhibiting a depraved mind, with reckless disregard for human life. Chauvin was accused of committing or intentionally aiding in the commission of this crime.

Under Minnesota law, an act that is eminently dangerous is one that “is highly likely to cause death,” Cahill told jurors. “The defendant’s act may not have been specifically intended to cause death,” and “it may not have been specifically directed at the person whose death occurred, but it must have been committed with a conscious indifference to the loss of life,” said the judge.


Chauvin expected to file appeal of guilty verdict. Here's what that could mean.
The struggle for public trust begins anew: What experts think will happen next.

Cahill ruled last fall that this charge did not fit the Chauvin case because the statute required a showing of danger to other persons. However, a Minnesota appeals court in February upheld the third-degree murder conviction of former Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor, who fatally shot Justine Ruszczyk Damond in 2017. Noor's actions were focused solely on Damond.

During jury selection in the Chauvin trial, the appeals court ruled that Cahill should not have dismissed this charge. He subsequently reinstated the allegation. The Minnesota Supreme Court is scheduled to hear an appeal of the Noor decision in June.

Guilty: Second-degree manslaughter charge

Second-degree manslaughter is culpable negligence where a person creates an unreasonable risk and consciously takes the chance of causing death or great bodily harm to someone else. Chauvin was charged with committing or intentionally aiding in the commission of this crime.

“Culpable negligence is intentional conduct that the defendant may not have intended to be harmful, but that an ordinary and reasonably prudent person would recognize as having a strong probability of causing injury to others,” Cahill told jurors.

In summing up his legal instructions on the charges, Cahill told the jury there is no crime if a line of duty police officer uses reasonable force to make a lawful arrest. He instructed the jurors to consider the "totality of the facts and circumstances" in deciding whether Chauvin's actions had been reasonable.




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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #126 on: April 21, 2021, 12:52:08 PM »
As a matter of logic, how can Chauvin be guilty of all three charges?  Aren't they mutually exclusive?

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242137

I don't know MN law, but when I was in LE, all the other, lesser murder charges were included in the highest one. Stacking charges like this doesn't seem legal, but the rule of law is deader than St. Floyd.

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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #127 on: April 21, 2021, 01:38:08 PM »
The writing/thinking is less than first rate, but the deeper question about instinctive support of law enforcement authorities (notice the distinction from "the rule of law/law enforcement") remains:

https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/20/defund-the-managerial-regime/

Something like this would be an example:

https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/21/officer-fired-after-donating-to-kyle-rittenhouses-defense-fund-was-uncovered/
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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #128 on: April 21, 2021, 02:40:02 PM »
The rule of law is dead. Mob fueled Anarcho-Tyranny is how things work in the FUSA.


The writing/thinking is less than first rate, but the deeper question about instinctive support of law enforcement authorities (notice the distinction from "the rule of law/law enforcement") remains:

https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/20/defund-the-managerial-regime/

Something like this would be an example:

https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/21/officer-fired-after-donating-to-kyle-rittenhouses-defense-fund-was-uncovered/

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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #129 on: April 21, 2021, 04:26:43 PM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/next-lebron-james-threatens-hero-columbus-police-officer-stopped-teen-stabbing-another-person/

Anyone think Lebron will face any consequences? Anything at all?


The rule of law is dead. Mob fueled Anarcho-Tyranny is how things work in the FUSA.


The writing/thinking is less than first rate, but the deeper question about instinctive support of law enforcement authorities (notice the distinction from "the rule of law/law enforcement") remains:

https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/20/defund-the-managerial-regime/

Something like this would be an example:

https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/21/officer-fired-after-donating-to-kyle-rittenhouses-defense-fund-was-uncovered/

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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #130 on: April 21, 2021, 04:38:22 PM »
Every American should stop going or watching the NBA

can he be sued for verbal assaults and reckless endangerment?

how about for a billion dollars
maybe that would get his attention

I cannot see a more justified use of deadly force then watching an attempted murder being prevented (not committed )
   by a trained police officer
indeed he is a hero
amazing how good his marksmanship was to not have hit the victim

time for police officers to look for other jobs

I feels sorry for them


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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #131 on: April 21, 2021, 04:51:07 PM »
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6702fbdfad1b6d39232cfda47cf6b19abbf515c0e74a1391c00e567fbd0686a1.png



Every American should stop going or watching the NBA

can he be sued for verbal assaults and reckless endangerment?

how about for a billion dollars
maybe that would get his attention

I cannot see a more justified use of deadly force then watching an attempted murder being committed
   by a trained police officer
indeed he is a hero
amazing how good his marksmanship was to not have hit the victim

time for police officers to look for other jobs

I feels sorry for them



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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #134 on: April 22, 2021, 07:31:03 AM »
quote author=G M:
"The message is mob rule."
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From the article:  There is cause for concern about whether Chauvin received a fair trial, an issue that is separate from the strength of the evidence"

The trial, as televised, was fair.  Everything outside the trial was not, and everything outside the trial got inside the trial via the jury, the only people who matter in the outcome.

All jurors were biased by what they saw and heard before they became jurors.  That was unavoidable, but how do you not change the venue out of the city that is more than threatened to be destroyed over this?  This case was so hot that no other venue would take it.  Those were extreme circumstances for a trial.  If it is possible and legal to sequester a jury in any circumstance, how do you not do that in this circumstance?

Judge said, (paraphrasing) I instructed the jury to not watch the news and I trust they followed those instructions.

But that is false and not possible.  Announcement of the so called "curfew" Monday, more accurately Martial Law, which is news, went out like an amber alert to everyone with a cell phone and everyone who knows anyone with a cell phone.  Is the judge telling us these 12 people are the only people out of 3 1/2 million who didn't know the news about the lockdown - which was all about violence promised for the wrong (jury)outcome?  It was not possible to not know the world closed at 6pm on a sunny, weekday spring evening.  If you carried on your regular activities, you would be the only one out.   Everyone knew you could be arrested (or shot?) if you so much as crossed the street to get the mail, and there were arrests.  I posted that night it was eery, like the evening of 9/11 or worse to have everyone on house arrest.

But the jury didn't watch the news, didn't know the real threat of violence?  That is not possible.

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more huge evidence of white supremacy and police brutality
« Reply #135 on: April 22, 2021, 08:59:53 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-shows-jersey-police-handcuffing-195630791.html

Was in Perth Amboy few weeks back to pick up a pizza
I would have been pulled over if not for being white for sure

huge Latin community in Perth.

this is world shaking news ........... :roll: :roll:





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« Reply #140 on: April 23, 2021, 05:45:14 AM »
police need "more training"

Tucker had a humorous clip of Bruce Lee kicking a knife out of attackers hands

I was thinking of all those old Westerns when the hero shoots the gun or knife out of the attackers hand
at 50 paces while jumping out of the path of the bullet

Why did not the Columbus officer shoot that girls right hand ?

They need more training...

says

all these armchair
  restrospective   analysts...... :roll:






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one additional thought
« Reply #141 on: April 23, 2021, 06:38:12 AM »
How many movies and TV shows

that show the police who show up just in the nick of time and shoot a killer just before he stabs or shoots the victim to death?

This scene is right out of Hollywood

but this time is was for real

Hollywood will have to ban all those shows (10,000s) for being politically in correct

From now on they need to have the officers show up and tazer the murderer /assaulter or have a social worker or employment officer come instead and lovingly talk the perp out of plunging the knife into someone  or pull the trigger , all within milliseconds

to see the Cuomo endlessly virtue signal what a great righteous human being he is and so loving to Blacks.

when someone has to keep telling people how honest they are , how righteous they areover and over. again , it suggests something is rotten in Denmark

just my take
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Re: Law Enforcement: Fair trial? Chauvin
« Reply #142 on: April 23, 2021, 08:43:17 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/alternate-juror-chauvin-trial-says-she-feared-riots-people-turning-her-home

12 jurors on 3 counts voted exactly the same, 36 votes the same.  Not one bought the defense argument of reasonable doubt that, for one thing, 3 times the fatal dose of fentanyl was a significant contributing factor.  Great.  But what if one or more jurors did have doubt on one or more counts?  Is it reasonable to assume that, had one juror held out against the rest on even one count, he or she would have felt secure in voting his or her conscience, and not expect be called out, doxxed, shamed, harassed, perhaps attacked, murdered with family by a relentless mob, and be the focal point of the violence sure to follow?

News that the jurors were not sequestered from:

Jury came home last Monday to martial law ordered by the Governor over violence expected related to this case.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pig-s-head-thrown-former-home-chauvin-defense-witness-n1264440
Vandals threw a pig's head [and smeared blood on the house] at the one-time home of a former California police officer who served as a defense witness


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intimidation worked
« Reply #143 on: April 23, 2021, 08:58:16 AM »
and Justice Jeanine Pirro
suddenly decides to choose virtue signaling and

tells us jury system worked and jury came up with correct verdict
despite the letters of the law not being consistent with verdict

Dershowitz
 who has first rate legal mind has it right




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Re: Law Enforcement
« Reply #146 on: April 24, 2021, 11:25:17 AM »
"Bodycam video shows teen struggling for gun before being shot by cops"

Race hustlers studying this closely
  may still find way to spin on CNN

some sort of race angle

would more training of the officers till they become 8 th dan martial artist have avoided this ?

MORE TRAINING and more classes on racial sensitivity

One thing for sure is we will not here any leftist speaking out about minorities who resist arrest
 

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This is due to white supremacy
« Reply #148 on: April 26, 2021, 05:40:36 AM »
https://populist.press/massive-brawl-breaks-out-at-miami-international-airport/

if this was not at airport they might have pulled knives

like most kids do growing up

were any arrests made?
i bet they were let on to the airplane too
just a kid thing
 we all did this did we not?

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https://babylonbee.com/news/in-closing-argument-prosecutor-tearfully-addresses-each-juror-by-name-phone-number-and-street-address
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David Horowitz:
Their threat, No “Justice” No Peace, is a threat that more cities will be attacked, more people will die – perhaps even Chauvin case jurors – if the verdicts they want aren’t delivered. This is a criminal movement with a criminal mission: to substitute its own vigilante justice for America’s justice.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/horowitz-on-the-chauvin-verdict.php

And this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiFX7dVAP_0
"alternate juror describes fear among jury"

[Leftist] "Mob rule"
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