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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #450 on: March 16, 2017, 06:09:21 PM »
BBG's view is welcome anytime.  Personal responsibility is still a factor, not just legalization, criminalization.

Trump and the Feds need to do something about federal law not matching state laws (and state constitutions) and I doubt if sending troops into these (swing) states is the best answer.

Colorado's law partly failed and partly succeeded.  Now it's 4 or 5 states.

We don't need legal heroin or legal meth or legal cocaine or five year olds using drugs.  But we also don't need coercive paternalism to be the law of the land for all personal behavior, soda, french fries, etc.

BBG would argue that attempting to use law enforcement to keep heroin from the five year old is a failed policy that should be abandoned.

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Legalized marijuana turns Colorado resort town into homeless magnet
« Reply #452 on: May 17, 2017, 06:54:09 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/17/legalized-marijuana-turns-colorado-resort-town-into-homeless-magnet.html

Legalized marijuana turns Colorado resort town into homeless magnet
By Joseph J. Kolb Published May 17, 2017 Fox News
 
From his sidewalk vantage point in front of an outdoor equipment store in downtown Durango, Colo., Matthew Marinseck has seen a transformation in this mountain resort town.

The picturesque town near the New Mexico border, once a vibrant, upscale community dotted with luxury hotels, is being overrun by panhandlers – thanks, in part, to the legalization of marijuana.

The town suddenly became a haven for recreational pot users, drawing in transients, panhandlers and a large number of homeless drug addicts, according to officials and business owners. Many are coming from New Mexico, Arizona and even New York.

“Legalized marijuana has drawn a lot of kids here from other states and the impact has not all been good,” said Marinseck, 58, while holding a cardboard sign asking for “help.”


Several people holding cardboard signs could be seen along the streets of Durango now. Some just ask for marijuana, or imply that’s what they want with a photo of a green pot leaf. But it’s not just pot users being drawn to Durango.

“[The] city really started freaking out when they started seeing needles in the streets” said Marinseck, a self-avowed former hippie.

Caleb Preston, a store manager in a gift shop and a former “street entertainer,” said the homeless and panhandling issue in Durango has gotten out of hand since the state legalized marijuana.

“Just this year there has been a major influx of people between 20 to 30 who are just hanging out on the streets,” Preston said. “The problem is while many are pretty mellow, there are many more who are violent.”

Preston said he’s become accustomed to kicking out vagrants who perch themselves in front of his store.


“Most of the kids here are from out of state, and I would say it has a lot to do with the legalized pot,” said Preston.

He said he’s also noticed an uptick in crime in the area. Shoplifting, he said, has become a major problem in Durango and business owners are becoming fed up.

The city’s Business Improvement District held a meeting May 12 to review the results of a survey completed by local businesses on how to address the panhandling issue, which has become an urgent matter as the city enters its busy summer tourist season.

Among the suggestions were stricter laws for panhandling and loitering, strategic placement of obstacles such as bistro tables and flower boxes to discourage sitting and lying on sidewalks. They also proposed launching a campaign discouraging tourists to give money to the pan handlers. A rudimentary effort is already in place with handwritten signs encouraging donations be made to charities that help the homeless rather than handing panhandlers’ money directly.

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Tim Walsworth, executive director of Durango Business Improvement District, said he is frustrated. He said he has to walk a tightrope between the civil liberties of the homeless population and the reputation and attractiveness of the downtown area, which for years has been a hot tourist destination.

“We’re hoping to discourage the transient and professional panhandlers that are impacting the perceived safety and cleanliness of our downtown, as well as help those who are truly in need,” Walsworth said in a statement.

Conspicuously absent from the busy downtown: The presence of police patrols.

Durango Police Chief Kamran Afzal said he has only been on the job for a month and is still assessing where the needs are in the town. With a department of 50 officers and only five per shift who cover 20 square miles, the challenge is daunting, he said. He said the property crime rate is 12 percent higher than the national average.

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“At this point, since I’m new here, I can’t definitively say this number is related to our homeless population,” Afzal said.

But he would not go so far as to say that the rise in panhandlers is directly attributed to the legalization of marijuana.

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Durango, Colo. is a vibrant, mountain resort town.  (Joe Kolb/Fox News)
“We are going to look at the behavior of individuals who cause discomfort for residents and visitors,” he said, through a Community Engagement Team. But, he said, the tricky part is figuring out when panhandlers cross the line to criminals.

Panhandlers like Marinseck may not exactly pose a threat to pedestrians shopping at the boutiques, souvenir stores or microbreweries in downtown Durango. But they don’t exactly evoke the wholesome image the business district wants to project.

Still, the city recently settled a lawsuit with the American Civil Liberties Union allowing the homeless population to panhandle.

A clerk at a local hotel who declined to give her name told Fox News that since marijuana has become legal in Colorado, the quality of life in Durango has worsened.

She said she’s frequently harassed when she goes to the supermarket or local WalMart. Some of the local parks, she said, have been taken over by the homeless.

“I’ve lived here my entire life and don’t feel safe here anymore,” the clerk said. “If it wasn’t so beautiful here, I would probably move.”


Joseph J. Kolb is a regular contributor to Fox News.

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Re: Legalized marijuana turns Colorado resort town into homeless magnet
« Reply #453 on: May 17, 2017, 09:52:32 PM »
"the city [Durango] recently settled a lawsuit with the American Civil Liberties Union allowing the homeless population to panhandle."

Panhandling might be the biggest growth industry under Obama.  It's the last business to fight off taxes and regulation.  Sadly I wish the IRS would monitor it the way they treat everyone that does productive work.  Too bad people give, with no information about who or for what purpose.

The fracking boom in North Dakota experienced some of those same problems.  In that case they came for the high paying laborer jobs.  But the people who came tended to be male, young, not burdened with responsibilities like college, wife, mortgage.  Young males without family responsibilities don't have the best behaviors.  The crime rate went up accordingly, drugs, prostitution, bar fights etc.

My point with the comparison is that it is not necessarily the pot, but the people that pot legalization attracts.   Colorado is the cool place to relocate for many.  Amazingly beautiful, great climate, wonderful recreation.  Legal marijuana. Housing prices have doubled in the decade I have been involved there.  The 'crash' was of no significance.  http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/30/northern-front-range-epicenter-rising-home-unaffordability/

I wonder what the effect in Colorado will be with more states legalizing.

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According to Libertarian theory, this shouldn't be happening
« Reply #454 on: May 23, 2017, 09:32:31 AM »
http://kdvr.com/2017/03/03/black-market-marijuana-business-booming/

Black market marijuana business booming in Colorado
POSTED 6:20 PM, MARCH 3, 2017, BY CARISA SCOTT, UPDATED AT 07:52PM, MARCH 3, 2017
   

Black market marijuana business booming

DENVER -- The Denver Police Department said Colorado’s illegal marijuana business is thriving.

"The black market marijuana is booming," Cmdr. James Henning said.

Last year, Denver police arrested 242 people for illegally growing, selling or extracting marijuana. Henning's team seized 8,913 pounds of marijuana last year.

“That’s driven simply by the old laws of supply and demand. People are buying marijuana for a low price and buying low and selling it high," he said.

Local police work with the Drug Enforcement Administration to eradicate illegal grows across the state, including several outdoor cultivation sites in Pueblo, Mesa, El Paso and Garfield counties.

Pictures released by the DEA and police show hundreds of potted, pruned and THC-producing plants confiscated on the black market. Police say the illegal business is not only booming, it’s increasingly more dangerous.

“We are finding more weapons, They are a little edgier. We know that in that black market, there’s a lot of ripoffs and robberies going on, but nobody reports it to us because you don’t report that you are robbed while doing an illegal activity," Henning said.

Law enforcement said the illegal market is flooded with high-quality Colorado medicinal marijuana. Red card users can buy 2 ounces a day for $100 to $150. Users can turn around and sell an ounce for $350 to $400.

Statistics from state patrol agencies across the country show Colorado marijuana mainly goes to seven states, with 65 percent of the weed coming from Denver.

In just three years, law enforcement across the country have seized about 4.5 tons of marijuana from Colorado.

Ads on Craigslist promise “safe dealings” and “overnight delivery” to out-of-state buyers. Police say it’s all buying and selling on the black market.

“We also have many local investigations anywhere from your small Craigslist operation where a guy is on Craigslist saying or offering you marijuana right now or I can ship marijuana anywhere in the United States. It’s all 100 percent illegal,” said Henning.

Users said Colorado’s marijuana market might have stopped low-quality weed from coming into the state, but it has opened the door for millions worth of top quality illegal weed to be sold tax free outside the state.


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I was told this would not happen
« Reply #455 on: June 29, 2017, 09:22:28 PM »
http://kfor.com/2017/06/28/colorado-announces-largest-pot-bust-since-drug-was-legalized/

Colorado announces largest pot bust since drug was legalized
POSTED 5:15 PM, JUNE 28, 2017, BY AP WIRE AND KATRINA BUTCHER
   

DENVER – Dozens of Coloradans are accused of running a marijuana trafficking ring in which they pretended to be growing weed for sick people but illegally shipped the drug out of state.

A Denver grand jury has indicted 62 people and 12 businesses in a case that involved federal and state agents executing nearly 150 search warrants in 33 homes and 18 warehouses in the Denver area.

The indictment was returned June 9 and announced Wednesday by state Attorney General Cynthia Coffman.

According to KDVR, two former Bronco players, Erik Pears and Joel Dreesesen, fell victim to the trafficking ring. They thought they were “investing in a legal grow.”

Around 2,600 illegally cultivated marijuana plants and another 4,000 pounds of marijuana were seized during the operation.

The enterprise was producing more than 100 pounds a month of illegal pot for shipment to Kansas, Texas, Nebraska, Ohio and Oklahoma.

Coffman says it is the largest illegal marijuana operation since Colorado legalized the drug in 2014. She says that “the black market for marijuana … continues to flourish.”

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Re: I was told this would not happen
« Reply #456 on: June 30, 2017, 06:28:46 AM »
Correction:  Taxed and regulated in the government takeover, not legalized - or this wouldn't be illegal.

State tax revenue $200 million.  http://www.marketwatch.com/story/marijuana-tax-revenue-hit-200-million-in-colorado-as-sales-pass-1-billion-2017-02-10  Not counting the big money jump in tourism, tax on tourism and inward migration.  Who's addicted to it now?

Quoting a wise man (G M), finding illegal grow operations in Colorado is "like finding a needle in a needle stack"

"4,000 pounds of marijuana were seized"   Will they donate this back to the schools to help children in need?

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no we don't just need more tax money to waste
« Reply #457 on: July 04, 2017, 01:12:26 PM »
I think we need more Duarte tactics on the pushers and scammers:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/04/the-heroin-crisis-in-trumps-backyard-215328

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Re: The War on Drugs, Homelessness surge in Colorado
« Reply #458 on: July 10, 2017, 12:31:24 PM »
A newscast supporting a point made here recently by G M:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5500645764001/?#sp=show-clips

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Re: The War on Drugs, Homelessness surge in Colorado
« Reply #459 on: July 10, 2017, 12:45:23 PM »
A newscast supporting a point made here recently by G M:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5500645764001/?#sp=show-clips

Unpossible! Libertarian doctrine says that only good things come from drug legalization!

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Re: The War on Drugs, Homelessness surge in Colorado
« Reply #460 on: July 10, 2017, 01:31:06 PM »
"...Working but unable to afford the rising cost of housing."

For another thread, why is the cost of housing going up?

Homeless but stoned.  A consensual transaction.


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Re: The War on Drugs, Homelessness surge in Colorado
« Reply #461 on: July 10, 2017, 01:51:34 PM »
"...Working but unable to afford the rising cost of housing."

For another thread, why is the cost of housing going up?

Homeless but stoned.  A consensual transaction.



Well, you've got to have priorities!

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Oregon should do this!
« Reply #462 on: July 10, 2017, 07:37:42 PM »
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/07/oregon-poised-to-decriminalize-meth-cocaine-and-heroin/

Oregon Poised To Decriminalize Meth, Cocaine And Heroin
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12:59 PM 07/07/2017

The Oregon legislature passed two bills Thursday decriminalizing small amounts of six hard drugs, including cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine and ecstasy.

The first of the two bills now headed to the governor’s desk, HB 2355, decriminalizes possession of the drugs so long as the offender has neither a felony nor more than two prior drug convictions on record, according to the Lund Report. The second, HB 3078, reduces drug-related property crimes from felonies to misdemeanors.

Republican State Sen. Jackie Winters claimed the war on drugs as it currently exists amounts to “institutional racism” due to how more frequently minorities are charged with drug crimes than whites.

“There is empirical evidence that there are certain things that follow race. We don’t like to look at the disparity in our prison system,” Winters said during a hearing. “It is institutional racism. We can pretend it doesn’t exist, but it does.”

The second bill reduces mandatory minimum sentences for many property crimes and also increases the number of previous convictions necessary for a felony charge. It provides $7 million in funding for diversion programs to help lower Oregon’s prison population.

Winters and other supporters of the bills argue the answer to America’s drug crisis is treatment, not prison time.

“It would be like putting them in the state penitentiary for having diabetes,” Democratic Rep. Mitch Greenlick told the Lund Report. “This is a chronic brain disorder and it needs to be treated this way.”

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So glad marijuana legalization ended the black market
« Reply #463 on: July 22, 2017, 09:37:37 AM »
https://durangoherald.com/articles/174148-details-emerge-in-lightner-creek-shooting-death

Details emerge in Lightner Creek shooting death
 
Victim reportedly lunged at suspect before being killed
By Shane Benjamin Herald Staff Writer
Friday, July 21, 2017 5:01 PM Updated 13 hours 49 minutes ago
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A Durango man who was shot and killed during a marijuana robbery apparently lunged at the gunman before being shot in the chest, according to an arrest affidavit made public this week.

The robbery occurred about 11:35 a.m. May 14 in the Lightner Creek Mobile Home Park, 907 County Road 207 (Lightner Creek Road), a few miles west of Durango.

If proven, it is at least the fourth home-invasion robbery involving marijuana in the past three years in La Plata County. Three of the robberies resulted in shooting deaths.


The most recent case involves three suspects from Texas – Michael Jones, 19, Kevin Goff, 27, and Alysse Rios, 19, who have all been charged with first-degree murder.

Jones is suspected of firing the gun that killed David Gaytan, 34, according to the arrest affidavit.

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Office summarized its conclusions about what may have happened inside the home based on several interviews with witnesses, including two who were inside the house at the time of the shooting.

According to investigators, the trio set up an illegal marijuana transaction and intended to rob the people of the marijuana rather than purchase it.

Rios was seen sitting in a black sedan with the engine running before the shooting, according to the affidavit. The vehicle was backed into the driveway, as if the driver had planned a quick getaway, according to the affidavit.

Goff and Jones were inside the home during the robbery. Jones pointed a gun at those inside the home and demanded the victims empty their pockets and hand over their wallets, the affidavit says. Goff grabbed the marijuana.

“This again indicates premeditation and shows there was no intent to actually purchase the drugs, and there was complicity with the two males to rob the victims,” the affidavit says.

At some point, Gaytan lunged toward Jones, and Jones fired his weapon, hitting Gaytan in the chest.

CPR efforts were unsuccessful.

Goff and Jones fled the residence, entered the car and were seen speeding away.

Witnesses obtained a partial license plate number, and an off-duty police officer observed a black sedan speeding northbound through the intersection at U.S. Highway 550/160 and Camino del Rio. Dispatchers aired a vehicle description, and the vehicle was found later that evening on U.S. Highway 50 near Salida.

A Colorado State Patrol trooper arrested all three suspects without incident.

“(The trooper) said all the suspects were very cooperative during the contact,” the affidavit says.

All three are scheduled for preliminary hearings Sept. 27, at which time prosecutors must present probable cause to convince a judge that a crime was committed and the defendants are connected to it.

All three are being held at the La Plata County Jail.

shane@durangoherald.com

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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #464 on: July 22, 2017, 11:24:28 AM »
"    Oregon Poised To Decriminalize Meth, Cocaine And Heroin "
Why not make all this legal

and tax it like alcohol cannabis, tobacco, soda and gambling and while they are at it prostitution.

Just get it over with rake in more dough and buy more votes.

and pay off the Dem voters for Gods sake.     :x

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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #465 on: July 22, 2017, 11:51:29 AM »
"    Oregon Poised To Decriminalize Meth, Cocaine And Heroin "
Why not make all this legal

and tax it like alcohol cannabis, tobacco, soda and gambling and while they are at it prostitution.

Just get it over with rake in more dough and buy more votes.

and pay off the Dem voters for Gods sake.     :x

Although this isn't the thread for it, I think using the rural Nevada model is the best policy regarding prostitution.

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William Buckley
« Reply #466 on: July 23, 2017, 06:34:50 AM »
Remember when Buckley argued for legalization?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/383913/war-drugs-lost-nro-staff


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Too drugged to work
« Reply #468 on: July 31, 2017, 08:26:11 AM »

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There in the US
« Reply #470 on: November 15, 2017, 06:23:21 PM »
Where is Brock to call them JV team?

we may need to go after these thugs like we are going after ISIS

http://www.chron.com/news/us-world/border-mexico/article/New-report-shows-how-Mexican-cartels-are-12320888.php

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« Reply #471 on: November 15, 2017, 06:26:25 PM »
Where is Brock to call them JV team?

we may need to go after these thugs like we are going after ISIS

http://www.chron.com/news/us-world/border-mexico/article/New-report-shows-how-Mexican-cartels-are-12320888.php

We really need to.



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I was told this wouldn't happen...
« Reply #474 on: December 14, 2017, 11:07:03 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/13/marijuana-and-nicotine-vaping-popular-among-teens-according-to-study.html

Nearly one-quarter of teens are using pot
Of eighth, 10th and 12th graders surveyed, 24 percent said they've used marijuana in the past year, according to research from the University of Michigan.
Fewer high school seniors disapprove of using marijuana and see "great risk" in smoking it occasionally.
Students are vaping marijuana and nicotine. Critics warn it's not just the flavors but the sleek and discreet design of some e-cigarette brands, such as market leader JUUL, that attract kids.
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Nearly one quarter of teens are using marijuana, according to a new survey.

Of eighth, 10th and 12th graders surveyed, 24 percent said they've used the drug in the past year, according to research from the University of Michigan. The 1.3 percent increase is the first significant rise in seven years.

The increase in teens using marijuana comes as more states legalize pot for medical and recreational use.

This year, 14.1 percent of high school seniors said they see "great risk" in smoking marijuana occasionally, down from 17.1 percent last year. Also, 64.7 percent said they disapprove of using the drug regularly, down from 68.5 percent last year.

Those statistics indicate marijuana use among teens could continue to grow, the study's principal investigator Richard Miech said.

"It should raise eyebrows," Miech said. "And people should be alert to the possibility that marijuana is about to launch."

Marijuana's popularity has flipped with cigarettes', the survey found. The percent of seniors smoking cigarettes daily has plummeted to 4.2 percent from 24.7 percent at its peak in 1997. Meanwhile, marijuana use has increased to 5.9 percent from its lowest point in 1992.

Vaping has become a popular mechanism for using marijuana and nicotine. Within the past year, 1 in 10 high school seniors reported vaping marijuana, and 19 percent of them said they vaped nicotine, according to the survey.

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Daily smoking rate among high schoolseniors has plummeted over the past 20years
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"We're certainly surprised by (the number of seniors vaping nicotine), and it speaks to how popular these devices have become and how this represents a new concern for public health officials, parents and others that take care of or care about teens," said Wilson Compton, deputy director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, part of the National Institutes of Health, which funded the survey.

The findings are likely to give ammunition to public health advocates who have argued sleek devices and unique flavors are appealing to kids. The already fiery debate over e-cigarettes received even more fuel this summer when the Food and Drug Administration delayed impending regulations on the products until 2022.

Anti-smoking advocates like the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids argue flavors entice adolescents. The 2009 Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act prohibited cigarettes from containing characterizing flavors, excluding menthol. Yet they're pervasive in vaping products.

Critics warn it's not just the flavors but the sleek and discreet design of some e-cigarette brands, such as market leader JUUL, that attract kids.

Percent
More teens are vaping
6.6%6.6%
3.5%3.5%
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16.6%16.6%
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Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer pointed to the devices when he called for the FDA reverse its decision.

"We're very concerned about anecdotal reports that JUUL has become a trendy popular new product with kids and young adults, and that's the kind of product the FDA ought to be reviewing now to see if it is attracting kids. Waiting four years to do that will likely be too late if these products do grow in popularity," said the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids' vice president of communications Vince Willmore.

Like other e-cigarette makers, JUUL says its products are meant for adult smokers who are looking to switch from conventional products. In response to reports of adolescents using its products, the company has invested in education and prevention efforts such as "secret shoppers" who test to make sure retailers are not selling to minors.

"It's a really, really important issue," said JUUL Labs' chief administration officer Ashley Gould. "We don't want kids using our products."



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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #476 on: January 04, 2018, 08:35:26 AM »
every time I try to think the pot thing through I wind up concluding legalization is not good.  it will promote even more use and how in any way is that a good thing?

while there are likely some true medicinal affects of some cannabinoids most of the claims are clearly all BS .

since legalization will spread due to the profit and taxes raised I hope Walmart and Amazon get into it and crush the hippies and other druggies out of the market.

 :wink:

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I was told this wouldn't happen...
« Reply #480 on: April 22, 2018, 11:25:18 AM »
https://durangoherald.com/articles/219917-illegal-pot-busts-are-booming-across-colorados-forests-are-cartels-to-blame

Illegal pot busts are booming across Colorado’s forests. Are cartels to blame?
 
By David O. Williams As Originally Reported by Colorado Politics
Sunday, April 22, 2018 5:03 AM


Deep in Colorado’s national forests, shadowy teams of people are clear-cutting underbrush, trenching hillsides for cultivation, diverting and damming streams to create reservoirs and using chemicals that are killing fish and wildlife.

They leave behind animal carcasses, garbage and human waste, polluting mountain streams.

And the destruction is spreading.

In a state where growing and selling cannabis have been legal for years, illegal marijuana grow operations on national forests have been on the rise for at least the last three years, officials say.

In 2017, 71,000 pot plants were eradicated in the U.S. Forest Service’s five-state Rocky Mountain Region.

That’s up from 45,000 plants in 2016, 23,000 plants in 2015 and just 3,000 plants in 2014 – the vast majority in Colorado.

Last October, Forest Service officials, the Fremont County sheriff’s department and other agencies seized 4,200 marijuana plants growing on the San Isabel National Forest and arrested four suspects living in the U.S. illegally.

The month before, a raid of a five-acre site near Carbondale on the White River National Forest netted 2,700 pot plants. And in July 2017, 7,400 plants were seized from two Pueblo County sites on the San Isabel National Forest.

All this has some lawmakers sounding an alarm that foreign drug cartels are behind the problem, although officials on the ground say evidence of widespread cartel involvement is lacking.

And despite popular notions of pot plantations guarded by heavily armed criminals and boobytraps, the region’s top U.S. Forest Service law enforcement official says illegal grows on public lands pose more of an environmental threat than a public-safety one.

“The time I’ve been here, fortunately, we haven’t had any armed confrontations, but we’re always prepared for that just like any law enforcement officer going to serve a search warrant on a house in a city environment,” Kent Delbon, special agent in charge for the Forest Service’s Rocky Mountain Region, told Colorado Politics. “Our biggest concern really is the environmental component.”

The Lakewood-based region includes Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas.

Delbon has been its top special agent for two years, and before that he served for six years as an assistant special agent for the Forest Service in California after stints with both the Los Angeles Police Department and the U.S. Secret Service.

In his eight total years with the Forest Service, Delbon said he’s helped eradicate more than 100 illegal grow sites, and has never once seen a boobytrap.

“It’s not like you have snipers out waiting for people or law enforcement to come into the grow site,” Delbon said. “Fortunately, the experience I’ve had, even in California, the growers themselves are typically the low worker bees. (When a raid happens), they want to get out of there and avoid arrest.”

Most grows, for obvious reasons, are way off the beaten track and far from recreation areas, campgrounds and marked trails, Delbon added. “So, for the vast majority of the public recreating on our posted trails, the risk is very low.”

Still, concern runs high about illegal grows on public land and their impact.

More illegal plants are being discovered and destroyed on Forest Service land in Colorado since voters approved growing, selling and consuming recreational marijuana with the passage of Amendment 64 in 2012, officials say. All of those activities are still illegal on national forests, Bureau of Land Management acreage and other federally owned land, which covers about a third of the state.

Some Republican politicians from Colorado have taken notice of the increase, linking the spike in illegal grows to Mexican drug cartels. That narrative aligns with the current push by President Donald Trump and others for increased border security.

“Our area’s federal lands have been exploited by drug cartels who use the land for illegal marijuana grows,” U.S. Rep. Doug Lamborn, R-Colorado Springs, said in a recent press release. “These sites are often protected by heavily armed cartel members who pose a serious safety risk to those who utilize our public lands for recreational activities, as well as for Forest Service and BLM staff.”

A spokeswoman for U.S. Rep. Scott Tipton, R-Cortez, whose 3rd Congressional District includes large areas of public lands on the Western Slope, told Colorado Politics that “while we don’t know who is responsible for all of the grows, ... the congressman has met with representatives from the Drug Enforcement Agency and local police officials to discuss the prevalence of cartel activity in the 3rd Congressional District and believes it is imperative that we secure the U.S.-Mexico border to stop the illegal flow of drugs and money.”

But while federal and local law enforcement officials acknowledge safety concerns stemming from the growing pot trend, some say it’s premature to make the leap to assume widespread cartel activity is behind it.

Eagle County Sheriff James Van Beek – whose county includes huge swaths of White River National Forest, the most visited national forest in the nation – said no illegal grows in Eagle County have been linked to cartels.

“There have been trends throughout the U.S. where it is believed ... the cartels are behind many of the major grows. ... Here in Eagle County, we suspected a couple may have been, but cannot confirm that to be the case,” Van Beek said.

Back in 2015, then-U.S. Attorney for Colorado John Walsh, an Obama administration appointee, said: “We have concern (that) ... drug trafficking organizations from Mexico are involved in growing marijuana here in Colorado. Outside drug trafficking organizations may come to Colorado with the notion it may go unnoticed because of the amount of marijuana activity.”

Since Trump took office, Bob Troyer, an Obama-administration holdover, has been serving as U.S. attorney in Colorado.

Asked now about the illegal-grow situation, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office would not comment on any cartel connections.

“The prosecution of marijuana grown on federal public land has been, and remains, an enforcement priority for the United States Attorney’s Office,” the spokesman said in an email statement. “We work closely with our partners in the state and federal government to prosecute these cases.”

In a review of court files from several prosecutions stemming from raids in 2017, Colorado Politics found examples of Mexican nationals working in coordination with outside groups to grow pot on public lands. In plea agreements, growers described moving to the state to be “weed farmers” for $200 a day, while being supplied by and connected to trafficking organizations.

And while several nationals of Mexico and other Latin American countries have been arrested and successfully prosecuted for growing marijuana on Colorado’s public lands, it’s unclear how many of those grow operations have connections to organized Mexican drug cartels.

“Generally, we find that it’s a mix, whether it’s local residents or maybe some other group that comes into the area, but to specifically tie it back to cartels, that’s probably not appropriate to make those connections at this point,” Delbon, the Forest Service agent, said.

Neither Delbon nor Van Beek would speculate on the nature of the black market for illegal grows on public lands and whether the pot is being sold out of state. The Denver office of the Drug Enforcement Administration did not return a call seeking comment.

Of the five states that make up the 40-million-acre Rocky Mountain Region of the Forest Service, only Colorado has legalized marijuana for either medical or recreational use. But nationally, eight states with huge tracts of federal land — from Alaska to Nevada – have voted to legalize pot for recreational use. And the majority of states have approved medical use.

Delbon said he can’t weigh in yet on whether there’s a correlation between Colorado legalizing recreational marijuana in 2012 and the increased number of plants being illegally grown on federal lands in the state.

“Maybe the better answer for me is it’s too soon to tell,” Delbon said.

In any event, while the number of plants is going up on public lands, Delbon said law enforcement resources have stayed about the same in recent years, with one Forest Service officer assigned to each ranger district and a special agent assigned to each of Colorado’s eight national forests.

Delbon declined to provide the exact number of Forest Service agents, but one of those eight national forests – the Pike-San Isabel National Forest and Cimarron and Comanche National Grasslands, administered jointly — has six ranger districts plus the two grasslands encompassing 3 million acres. That’s a lot of territory to cover for about seven Forest Service cops.

The Forest Service partners with local, state and other federal agencies to take down grow operations, which mostly consists of destroying pot plants and mitigating the damage.

While hunters way off the main trails looking for game sometimes discover grows, Delbon said the good old-fashioned police work of local sheriffs’ departments leads to the highest number of eradicated plants.

“When grows are found on public lands, depending on their size, we may monitor them for a few days to see if we can discover who is growing them, but more often than not we just destroy the operation,” said Van Beek, the Eagle County sheriff.

Forest Service land often provides more lush, hidden-away locations for illegal growers, and while the chances of stumbling onto such a site are low, Forest Service officials ask the public to be vigilant and to take note of the location, get out quickly and call the local sheriff if a grow site is discovered.

While Colorado’s generally higher, well-watered national forests have seen steady expansion of illegal marijuana grows, that’s less the case on the state’s lower, more arid BLM lands.

“We are taking the same actions we have taken in previous years, and we have not seen a dramatic increase in illegal grows or the eradication of illegal grows,” said BLM spokesman Steven Hall.

The U.S. Department of the Interior – parent of the BLM and National Park Service, among other lands agencies – is using drones in the fight.

“To help local law enforcement in targeting trafficking operations, (Interior) is implementing the use of Unmanned Aircraft Systems as a means to detect hard-to-reach grow sites for law enforcement as well as a tool to proactively identify high-probability grow areas that could become compromised in the future,” Interior spokeswoman Heather Swift said in an email to Colorado Politics.

As for bolstering efforts to deal with illegal grows on public lands, more enforcement help from the state is on the way, said Shelby Wieman, spokeswoman for Gov. John Hickenlooper. She pointed to the governor’s signing last year of House Bill 1221, which created a $6 million grant program to support local law enforcement in cracking down on marijuana black-market activities.

“Public health and safety are our top priorities. The state is committed to working with federal law enforcement to eliminate the black market,” Wieman said.

The spokeswoman for Tipton said the congressman has asked for additional funding for the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area program for the 2019 fiscal year. It’s a program that aims to provide assistance to federal, state and local agencies operating in areas deemed to be “critical drug-trafficking regions,” including several Colorado counties that contain public lands.

But Delbon said that while local sheriffs have been of great help combating illegal growing on public lands, other law enforcement agencies in Colorado tend to be focused elsewhere.

“It’s been my perception at least that the state has been focusing more on the indoor grows, the house grows, the (legal growing) compliance, that side of it, where if we have a grow out on the forest, we’re working with our sheriffs, whether it’s Eagle County, Pueblo County, Custer County,” Delbon said. “Those folks are the ones that we’ve been working with directly, and they’ve been providing support.”



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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #483 on: October 15, 2018, 08:50:34 AM »
In the early 70 s it was from worst to best (I was told): mexican , jamaican, columbian , panama red , hash, thai sticks , hash oil.
Leave it to American ingenuity to make California number one .

If only we can come with a cure for the common cold  - not THAT would be progress!



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« Reply #485 on: November 05, 2018, 03:06:42 PM »
Washington Needs to Legalize Cannabis
Voters in four states may relax the rules Tuesday, bringing the total to 32.
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By John Boehner
Nov. 4, 2018 3:04 p.m. ET

Citizens in four states vote Tuesday on ballot initiatives to legalize some form of cannabis. Residents of Missouri and Utah will decide on its medical availability, Michigan and North Dakota on recreational consumption for adults. If all four measures pass, the tally of states that allow some sort of cannabis use will jump to 32, nearly two-thirds of the U.S.

The trend could not be clearer: Cannabis prohibition is coming to an end. A Gallup poll last month found 66% of Americans favor legal marijuana.

I am now one of those Americans. It began when a friend of mine who suffered from chronic back pain found relief using medical cannabis. Intrigued, I looked deeper into the uses of marijuana. I learned that in April the Food and Drug Administration approved medication called Epidiolex, which can reduce the number of seizures epileptic children have to endure. It contains only nonpsychoactive components of cannabis plants.

This June 6, 2017, photo, Utah resident Doug Rice, prepares to administer the CBD oil Haleigh's Hope, a cannabis compound used by his daughter Ashley at their home in West Jordan, Utah. Utah lawmakers balked again this year at joining more than half of all U.S. states and passing a broad medical marijuana law. Rice says Utah's approach means his daughter, who has a genetic condition, is missing out on the one drug that eliminates her frequent seizures. Utah already allows cannabidiol to be used by people with severe epilepsy, as long as they obtain it from other states. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

This June 6, 2017, photo, Utah resident Doug Rice, prepares to administer the CBD oil Haleigh's Hope, a cannabis compound used by his daughter Ashley at their home in West Jordan, Utah. Utah lawmakers balked again this year at joining more than half of all U.S. states and passing a broad medical marijuana law. Rice says Utah's approach means his daughter, who has a genetic condition, is missing out on the one drug that eliminates her frequent seizures. Utah already allows cannabidiol to be used by people with severe epilepsy, as long as they obtain it from other states. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer) Photo: Rick Bowmer/Associated Press

Marijuana is helping people across the country. Since joining the board of cannabis operator Acreage Holdings this past spring, I’ve spoken with countless senior citizens, baby boomers and millennials about their experiences medicating with cannabis to thwart the rigors of chemotherapy, ease muscle pain, relieve anxiety and much more. Convinced as I am by mounting scientific and anecdotal evidence, what resonates most with me is that one by one, our states have spoken.

Until cannabis is legalized federally, Washington needs to respect states’ rights to regulate it within their borders. The 10th Amendment clearly protects states’ prerogative to do so, and we must not allow the federal nanny state to dictate otherwise. The bipartisan Strengthening the Tenth Amendment Through Entrusting States Act, introduced in the House and Senate in June, is a step in the right direction. It would let states make their own decisions about the possession, manufacture and sale of cannabis, without federal interference.

The Drug Enforcement Administration must also soon stop classifying marijuana as a Schedule 1 narcotic, the same category as heroin. This status prevents many federally funded research institutions from studying how cannabis could treat sick Americans. It keeps major banks from investing in an industry that could create 654,000 jobs if marijuana were legalized in all 50 states today, according to a study from New Frontier Data. And most cruelly, the Schedule 1 classification prevents veterans from gaining access to medical marijuana.

Because cannabis is still illegal at the federal level, hospitals run by the Department of Veterans Affairs cannot treat service members suffering from posttraumatic stress disorder or chronic pain with any form of medical marijuana. Instead, VA doctors prescribe various opioids, fueling a crisis that killed 42,000 Americans in 2016, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Since leaving public office, I’ve become convinced that cannabis reform is needed so we can do research, help our veterans and reverse the opioid epidemic ravaging our communities.

As a congressman, I learned that government works best when it listens to its constituents. Representatives must use what the people tell them to question constantly which policies are serving the greater good. It’s past time for government to rethink how it approaches cannabis.

Mr. Boehner, an Ohio Republican, served as a U.S. representative (1991-2015) and House speaker (2011-15).

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Johnny Boehner red
« Reply #486 on: November 05, 2018, 03:57:21 PM »
Boehner the Stoner  :lol:

rumors in the news is he likes his ETOH too!!!

maybe he needs to drop in to the Betty Ford place.

I wonder how much he is being paid to push this stuff..............

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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #487 on: November 05, 2018, 05:53:34 PM »
ETOH?

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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #488 on: November 05, 2018, 06:34:58 PM »

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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #490 on: November 05, 2018, 07:08:25 PM »
Ah.

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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #491 on: November 05, 2018, 07:23:05 PM »
Ah.


Common medical chart notation for intoxicated subjects. The things you learn taking arrestees for a medical clearance...

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« Reply #492 on: November 05, 2018, 08:22:24 PM »
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I wonder who is behind this
« Reply #493 on: December 13, 2018, 01:38:02 PM »
https://www.westernjournal.com/trooper-discovers-enough-fentanyl-kill-25-million/

a 25 *microgram* patch placed on skin every 3 d is a potent dose for those not used to opiods let alone pounds of the stuff



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Re: The War on Drugs
« Reply #496 on: February 09, 2019, 03:58:15 PM »
Our master of snark shows his chops once again!

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