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Re: Nuclear War, Germ War, Chem War, WMD
« Reply #500 on: April 21, 2021, 07:49:47 PM »
our enemies
taking advantage of and flaming our domestic political problems

sometime soon we may look like those scenes in War of the Worlds were society just falls apart

It has fallen apart. Just running on inertia now.


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Re: Nuclear War, Germ War, Chem War, WMD
« Reply #502 on: June 18, 2021, 07:57:46 AM »
VICTOR DAVIS HANSON: Mysterious Origins Of COVID-19 Raise Some Alarming Possibilities
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For over a year, the American establishment and media have ostracized anyone who dared to connect the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Then, suddenly and without apologies for their past demagoguery, “journalists” and “experts” conceded that the Wuhan lab may well have been the most likely genesis.

Why the abrupt change?

For one thing, Donald Trump is no longer president.

There is now no need for progressives to declare everything that Trump once asserted as truth to be a lie. That includes Trump’s insistence that the Wuhan lab, not a wet market full of sliced-up bats, was the source of the outbreak.

The recent release of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s emails, along with new information about the gain-of-function research, make it clear that U.S. taxpayer dollars were being funneled to the Chinese for coronavirus research in Wuhan.

So now what?

We are left with a number of lose-lose scenarios regarding China’s efforts to lie about the origins of COVID-19.

Will China continually deny what is appearing to be undeniable? Perhaps. We should remember that this is a country with a Communist Party hierarchy that once killed many millions of its own citizens under Mao Zedong, and with a current apparat that has put 1 million Muslim Uyghurs into internment camps.

A stonewalling China likely will conclude that the risk of appearing guilty for causing one of the greatest “natural” global disasters in a century is not nearly as destructive to its interests as admitting it.
Will China then wait us out, denying the obvious facts, until weary Americans move onto another of their media frenzies?

Or, could China confess that the virus was birthed in the Wuhan lab but claim its appearance was a “joint” effort with the United States? The Chinese could insist that combined efforts with the U.S. were aimed at finding a “cure” for coronavirus epidemics, and thus China should not be blamed — or at least not solely blamed.

China could claim that it, too, was misled by its own sloppy researchers. It might even assert that its prior code of silence was meant to shield the role of U.S. funders of what turned into a pandemic disaster.

Americans then would end up wondering to what degree our own doctors and institutions not only lied to us throughout the crisis but, in some bizarre way, may have shared responsibility for engineering the virus.

Or, Chinese officials could privately wink and nod to our intelligence and military communities that their researchers were in fact pursuing “legitimate” viral gain-of-function research when a terrible Chernobyl-like accident took place. They might unofficially remind our officials that such things have also happened at Bhopal, Three Mile Island and Fukushima.

In back channels, Beijing might express regret over the resulting global economic catastrophe, the millions dead, the even more millions sickened, the billions of lives harmed by the lockdown, and the 2020-2021 American political, economic, social and cultural meltdown.

China additionally might lament its “mistaken” lack of transparency and the “confusion” that accounted for misleading the world. And yet, China would still smile and promise off the record that such an unforeseen disaster would never, ever happen again.

We tend to block out the unthinkable. It’s possible more information could leak out that the virus was a weaponized creation of civilian virologists and the Chinese military. How the virus escaped would not be clear, but millions the world over would suspect the worst of any involvement of the Chinese military.
In all these scenarios, we are left with the suspicion that an embryonic engineered virus was mysteriously released, doing more damage to the Western world than any weapon deliberately employed since World War II. And we will become terrified that it could happen again. More importantly, we still have no idea what to do: whether to act in a punitive or deterrent fashion, or both or neither.

Washington strategists are no doubt gaming all these rumors and unthinkables.

Many Americans are naively hopeful that COVID-19 was a one-off, laboratory accident. But some are terrified that it was a proto-bioweapon that, regardless of whether it was accidentally released, became a “never let a crisis go to waste” moment.

Victor Davis Hanson is a distinguished fellow of the Center for American Greatness.

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Re: Nuclear War, Germ War, Chem War, WMD, VDH
« Reply #503 on: June 18, 2021, 08:35:44 AM »
quote author=Crafty_Dog
VICTOR DAVIS HANSON: Mysterious Origins Of COVID-19 Raise Some Alarming Possibilities
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Prof. Hanson is so good that I hate to pull out pieces for comment when it is the whole piece that makes the point.  But, two small (?) points:

He mentions one million Uyghurs held in internment camps.  If this is accepted fact, couldn't the world, led by Pres. Biden, boycott the Olympics on a condition, free the Uyghurs, and actually effect change?

In one of the possible scenarios, "a terrible Chernobyl-like accident took place".

Interesting point.  Chernobyl taught us nothing we didn't already know about nuclear energy safety.  What it taught us was that autocratic, totalitarian, dictatorships have the worst safety and environmental practices and results on earth, meaning that moving in that direction does not make us safer or cleaner.

What say China envier Thomas Friedman NYT about origins of Covid?  Big powerful autocratic government had all the ownership and 'regulatory' power to keep this from happening with any level of safeguards they wanted - and they didn't.  Just like Chernobyl.

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Re: Gordon Chang: Chinese Germ Warfare
« Reply #505 on: June 29, 2021, 11:56:25 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/06/28/report-china-discussed-making-bioweapons-targeting-specific-races-n1457765

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17191/china-what-to-do-about-it?fbclid=IwAR1oE1Bwc6UkhNaBwKgqjUflttHcvJwNsCUO0s-2ppQL1I3P4elotcWOdJk

An important read. China plays the long game, and plays to win.

Yes.

"If you want to find the largest collection of genetic information of Americans, you do not go to America. You go to Beijing."

  - Wake . Up. People.  The communist regime of China is not your friend and is not an innocent storefront on the edge of tbe Pacific. The Hitler analogies fail because China is so much more powerful.

https://visiontimes.com/2020/10/07/a-chinese-defector-exposes-beijings-bioweapons-program.html

In May, a senior U.S. official revealed that China was working on developing bioweapons that can target people based on their ethnicity. He expressed worries that Beijing might conduct biological experiments on ethnic minorities. China has even admitted to such a possibility. Back in 2017, a publication released by the Chinese military categorized biology as a new warfare domain. It also suggested that future wars could involve genetic attacks.

In 1972, leaders from more than 180 nations established the biological weapons convention according to which the development of such weapons was banned. However, there are serious concerns that several countries are not abiding by the restrictions. At least 6 nations are believed to be currently invested in bioweapon programs — China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Iraq, and Libya. In 2015, U.S. intelligence classified gene editing as a potential weapon of mass destruction. The fact that you can create viruses that only affect specific races or ethnicities makes such weapons even scarier.

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Remember that clip I posted that youtube deleted?!?
« Reply #506 on: June 29, 2021, 07:57:35 PM »
YES!!!!!!!!!

I posted a clip some years back of a Chinese scientist discussing exactly this in Mandarin (i.e. he/they thought outsiders would not hear/understand) with subtitles.  When I went back for a it some months ago it had been deleted.

LET's STAY ON THIS.

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Re: Remember that clip I posted that youtube deleted?!?
« Reply #507 on: June 29, 2021, 08:36:26 PM »
YES!!!!!!!!!

I posted a clip some years back of a Chinese scientist discussing exactly this in Mandarin (i.e. he/they thought outsiders would not hear/understand) with subtitles.  When I went back for a it some months ago it had been deleted.

LET's STAY ON THIS.

https://rumble.com/vit28b-chinese-researcher-talks-about-creating-bioweapons-to-target-certain-geneti.html

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« Reply #508 on: June 30, 2021, 03:38:58 AM »
GREAT FIND.

This could be the same guy as the one in the long clip I reference, but here he is more coy.

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China's nuclear silos
« Reply #510 on: July 08, 2021, 08:16:33 PM »
China’s Nuclear Silos and the Arms-Control Fantasy
The Cold War is over, and Beijing is determined to amass an arsenal worthy of a superpower.
By Matthew Kroenig
July 7, 2021 6:17 pm ET
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New satellite images published recently reveal that China is building more than 100 new nuclear missile silos in its western desert. Many American arms-control proponents, including the researchers who made the discovery and the Washington Post editorial board, immediately blamed China’s actions on U.S. nuclear modernization plans and recommended that Washington make an arms-control deal with China to address this nuclear threat. This is both the wrong diagnosis and the wrong solution.

China is engaging in a massive nuclear-arms buildup as part of its broader strategy to challenge the U.S.-led rules-based international system, and the U.S. will need to respond by updating its nuclear program to defend itself and the free world.

For decades, China possessed a modest nuclear arsenal of a few hundred weapons. Unlike the U.S. and the Soviet Union, China never built a large nuclear arsenal during the Cold War, because the country’s nuclear doctrine promised never to use nuclear weapons first and called for a minimal force capable of retaliating against enemy attack.

U.S. defense strategists, however, long feared that China would eventually try to compete with the U.S. nuclear arsenal. They believed that as China became a geopolitical superpower, its leaders would eventually pursue a superpower nuclear arsenal.

That is exactly what we are seeing today. The new missile silos in the desert are part of a Chinese nuclear buildup that includes new submarines, bombers, and ballistic and hypersonic missiles. U.S. defense officials, including Commander of U.S. Strategic Command Charles A. Richard, have publicly testified that China’s nuclear arsenal will double, if not triple or quadruple, within the decade. This buildup could make China a nuclear peer with the U.S. and Russia, which each maintain no more than 1,550 strategic nuclear weapons, per New Start Treaty limits.

China’s buildup threatens all major U.S. defense and deterrence goals. It makes it harder for the Pentagon to deter Chinese strategic attacks and coercion and to maintain a favorable balance of power and assure allies in the Indo-Pacific.


This means that for the first time in history, the U.S. will have to contend with two adversaries with substantial nuclear arsenals. Sizing the U.S. nuclear force for parity with Russia and treating China as a lesser power will no longer work.

The arms-control proponents say we should not panic and that these new silos are meant only to ensure that China’s nuclear weapons can survive a U.S. nuclear first strike. They say the solution is arms-control talks with Beijing.

This doesn’t make sense. The U.S. has drastically cut the size of its nuclear arsenal since the end of the Cold War, and President Biden has promised to reduce the role of nuclear weapons in U.S. national-security policy. If Beijing were worried about a U.S. first strike, it would put nuclear weapons on mobile missiles and submarines, which are harder for the Pentagon to find and destroy. China’s new fixed silos, in contrast, are relatively easy targets, but they do improve China’s ability to threaten a first strike against its opponents.

Arms-control talks with China, attempted unsuccessfully during both the Obama and Trump administrations, are unlikely to work any better for Mr. Biden. China’s nuclear buildup is intended to undermine U.S. defenses in the Indo-Pacific, break America’s regional alliances, and project China as a superpower.

To counter this challenge, the U.S. will need to strengthen its nuclear arsenal. It should continue with the bipartisan plans to modernize U.S. nuclear weapons. In addition, the Pentagon should study whether it can meet its deterrence requirements with existing stockpile numbers, or whether an increase beyond New Start limits is necessary.

Arms control can be pursued, but we have to be realistic. China has no history of negotiating constraints on its nuclear forces and it is unlikely to start now, during a massive expansion of its program.

Since the end of World War II, America’s nuclear forces have been the backbone of the U.S. alliance system and the rules-based international system. China is building new nuclear forces to tear those systems down. By strengthening its arsenal, the U.S. can fend off China’s challenge and provide the free world with continued peace and stability.

Mr. Kroenig is a professor of government at Georgetown and the deputy director of the Atlantic Council’s Scowcroft Center. He served as a senior policy adviser for nuclear and missile-defense policy in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, 2017-21.

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Re: Nuclear War, Germ War, Chem War, WMD
« Reply #511 on: July 09, 2021, 04:15:59 AM »
".New satellite images published recently reveal that China is building more than 100 new nuclear missile silos in its western desert."

will this not lead to India following suit?


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« Reply #518 on: October 22, 2021, 08:13:39 PM »
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« Reply #519 on: October 23, 2021, 04:46:06 PM »
U.S. Warns of Efforts by China to Collect Genetic Data
The National Counterintelligence and Security Center said American companies needed to better secure critical technologies as Beijing seeks to dominate the so-called bioeconomy.



Chinese gene firm BGI Group building in Beijing, in March. It developed a neonatal genetic test with the Chinese military that had enabled it to collect information from millions of people around the world.
Chinese gene firm BGI Group building in Beijing, in March. It developed a neonatal genetic test with the Chinese military that had enabled it to collect information from millions of people around the world.Credit...Carlos Garcia Rawlins/Reuters
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BETHESDA, Md. — Chinese firms are collecting genetic data from around the world, part of an effort by the Chinese government and companies to develop the world’s largest bio-database, American intelligence officials reported on Friday.

The National Counterintelligence and Security Center said in a new paper that the United States needed to better secure critical technologies including artificial intelligence, quantum computing, semiconductors and other technologies related to the so-called bioeconomy.

China and other countries are trying to dominate these technologies, and are using both legal and illegal means to acquire American know how, said Michael Orlando, the acting director of the counterintelligence center, an arm of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

The American private sector has long been in the cross hairs of China and other countries trying to steal American technology and intellectual property. Other countries like Russia also remain a threat, but the economic might of China makes it the biggest threat, officials said.

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China believes dominating these areas will give it an economic edge, and American companies are also investing heavily. Artificial intelligence and machine learning hold the promise to revolutionize many aspects of life, including military operations. Quantum computing will allow countries to break the toughest encryption that exists today, and semiconductors are vital not just for computers but many consumer products.

But officials are now also stressing the intersection of technology and genetic and biological research as an area of competition and espionage. Edward You, who is the national counterintelligence officer for emerging and disruptive technologies, said the Chinese government was collecting medical, health and genetic data around the world. The country that builds the best database of information will have an edge on developing cures for future pandemics, and China already has an advantage, he said.

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Beijing has a track record of misusing genetic data, the counterintelligence center said, citing a 2019 New York Times report on how China uses genetic tests to track members of the Uyghurs, a predominantly Muslim minority group.

Citing a Reuters report, Mr. You said a Chinese company, BGI, had developed a neonatal genetic test with the Chinese military that had enabled it to collect information from millions of people around the world. The firm gained a foothold in the United States in 2013, when it purchased an American genomics firm.

BGI now has contracts and partnerships with health institutions across the United States, intelligence officials said. The company provides cheap genomic sequencing and gets access to genomic data. Last year, the Commerce Department penalized some of the company’s subsidiaries for providing genetic analysis that was used in Beijing’s campaign against the Uyghurs.

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Mr. You said as a result the genetic data of some Americans could be “transferred to the Chinese government.”

The counterintelligence center also highlighted investments by WuXi, which bought a Pfizer manufacturing plant in China, announced a production facility in Massachusetts and made an investment in 2015 in 23andMe, the consumer genetics company.

“They are developing the world’s largest bio database,” Mr. You said of the Chinese government efforts. “Once they have access to your genetic data, it’s not something you can change like a pin code.”


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People purchasing DNA kits at the 23andMe booth at the RootsTech annual genealogical event in Salt Lake City in 2019.
People purchasing DNA kits at the 23andMe booth at the RootsTech annual genealogical event in Salt Lake City in 2019.Credit...George Frey/Reuters
But 23andMe said that fears of China stealing its data were misplaced.

WuXi has a less than 1 percent investment in 23andMe and has never received any customer data, Jacquie Cooke Haggarty, the company’s deputy general counsel, said in a statement. No data has ever been shared with a Chinese-owned company and no investor has access to the data, she said.

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“All of our testing is performed and has always been performed in U.S.-based laboratories,” she said.

The company also said it stored information about names and contact information separate from its genetic data. The company follows the highest encryption standards and tests its defenses daily, she said.

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Mr. Orlando said he was not arguing for decoupling the Chinese and American economies, but said the center was trying to warn companies of the risks of working with Chinese firms under the strict control of the government in Beijing.

“We aren’t telling people to decouple, but if you are going to do business in China, be smart about it,” Mr. Orlando said.

Though China is seeking a broad array of commercial data, the biggest threat is to the high-tech industries Beijing has said it wants to dominate in the decades to come.

American and European officials have long said China steals intellectual property, makes cheaper versions of products, puts western competitors out of business, and then dominates the market. That is a pattern China has followed in solar panels, for example.

“These technologies are critical and we cannot let what happened to other industries happen here,” Mr. Orlando said.

In recent years, the F.B.I. and the counterintelligence center have stepped up broad warnings to businesses and universities about Chinese attempts to steal American technology. Some of those overtures have been greeted skeptically, particularly at universities that believe the U.S. government may be trying to limit the number of Chinese students that study at American universities.

While the U.S. government can review many acquisitions of American companies by Chinese ones, other Chinese investments are harder to regulate. Mr. Orlando said an American company partnering with a Chinese one should take steps to protect its data.

“It’s all about the data,” Mr. You said. “There are national security implications we have to understand.”

Julian E. Barnes is a national security reporter based in Washington, covering the intelligence agencies. Before joining The Times in 2018, he wrote about security matters for The Wall Street Journal. @julianbarnes • Facebook

A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 23, 2021, Section A, Page 9 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Warns of Plan by the Chinese to Collect Genetic Data From Around the World. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

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