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DougMacG

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Lawfare, Trump Defense, NDA is a personal expense
« Reply #400 on: April 15, 2024, 07:40:10 AM »
https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/15/trumps-strongest-new-york-defense-has-nothing-to-do-with-alvin-bragg-or-judge-merchan/

Like buying a suit or whitening your teeth, you're doing it to get ready for the campaign but it is a personal expense.

If he had done it the other way around, taken a personal expense as a campaign expense, they would have scrutinized that as well.

Show me the man, I'll show you the crime.

The charge was elevated from misdemeanor to felony because it was committed to cover up a crime, that wasn't a crime.

The only real question for the court is can they find one honest juror.
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The entire left wing media mafia
« Reply #401 on: April 15, 2024, 08:34:13 AM »
in unison:

"Historic"

me:

the rule of law[yers]!

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How crazy are these poll #s
« Reply #402 on: April 16, 2024, 05:16:00 AM »
AP-NORC Poll: 7 in 10 Side With Trump in New York Criminal Case

[not stated is probably 7 of 10 Manhattan New Yorkers side AGAINST Trump]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump-trial-indictment/2024/04/16/id/1161140/

" Yet, a cloud of doubt hangs over all the proceedings. Only about 3 in 10 Americans feel that any of the prosecutors who have brought charges against Trump are treating the former president fairly. And only about 2 in 10 Americans are extremely or very confident that the judges and jurors in the cases against him can be fair and impartial. "

YET :

" Still, half of Americans would consider Trump unfit to serve as president if he is convicted of falsifying business documents to cover up payments to a woman who said he had an affair with."

Of course, it is the second part the Dems are so giddy about.  I don't get the numbers - makes no sense.



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Re: Politics by Lawfare, and the Law of War
« Reply #403 on: April 16, 2024, 06:44:49 AM »
Normalcy bias.

Acceptance that the integrity of the American legal system is a farce in many jurisdictions comes hard , , ,

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Re: Politics by Lawfare, and the Law of War
« Reply #404 on: April 16, 2024, 08:01:45 AM »
Trump accused of tearing the Do Not Remove tag off his mattress, first time this has ever been elevated to a felony.


https://nypost.com/2024/04/14/opinion/a-serial-perjurer-will-try-to-prove-an-old-misdemeanor-against-trump-in-an-embarrassment-for-the-new-york-legal-system/

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WSJ: Lawfare via Sarbox
« Reply #405 on: April 16, 2024, 11:14:41 AM »
The Jan. 6 Riot Reaches the Supreme Court
Did the feds go too far in charging rioters with obstructing Congress under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act?
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April 15, 2024 5:30 pm ET


The people who breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, are being held accountable, and attempts to rebrand them as patriotic choirboys are a sign of the bizarre political times. Yet is it unduly stretching the law to prosecute Jan. 6 rioters using the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002?

The Supreme Court will consider this Tuesday in Fischer v. U.S., and rooting for the government to lose requires no sympathy for the MAGA mob. Joseph Fischer says in his brief that he arrived late to the Capitol, spent four minutes inside, then “exited,” after “the weight of the crowd” pushed him toward a police line, where he was pepper sprayed. The feds tell an uglier tale.

Mr. Fischer was a local cop in Pennsylvania. “Take democratic congress to the gallows,” he wrote in a text message. “Can’t vote if they can’t breathe..lol.” The government says he “crashed into the police line” after charging it. Mr. Fischer was indicted for several crimes, including assaulting a federal officer. If true, perhaps he could benefit from quiet time in a prison library reading the 2020 court rulings dismantling the stolen election fantasy.

Sarbanes-Oxley, though? Congress enacted Sarbox, as it’s often called, in the wake of Enron and other corporate scandals. One section makes it a crime to shred or hide documents “corruptly” with an intent to impair their use in a federal court case or a Congressional investigation. That provision is followed by catchall language punishing anybody who “otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes” such a proceeding. Now watch, as jurists with Ivy degrees argue about the meaning of the word “otherwise.”

In Mr. Fischer’s view, the point of this law is to prohibit “evidence spoliation,” so the “otherwise” prong merely covers unmentioned examples. The government’s position is that the catchall can catch almost anything, “to ensure complete coverage of all forms of corrupt obstruction.” The feds won 2-1 at the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Yet two judges were worried how far this reading would permit prosecutors to go. Judge Justin Walker, who joined the majority, said his vote depended on a tight rule for proving defendants acted “corruptly.”

Judge Gregory Katsas filed the vigorous dissent. The government “dubiously reads otherwise to mean ‘in a manner different from,’ rather than ‘in a manner similar to,’” he argued. The obstruction statute “has been on the books for two decades and charged in thousands of cases—yet until the prosecutions arising from the January 6 riot, it was uniformly treated as an evidence-impairment crime.”

A win for the feds, Judge Katsas warned, could “supercharge comparatively minor advocacy, lobbying, and protest offenses into 20-year felonies.” For example: “A protestor who demonstrates outside a courthouse, hoping to affect jury deliberations, has influenced an official proceeding (or attempted to do so, which carries the same penalty).” Or how about a Congressman (Rep. Jamaal Bowman) who pulls a fire alarm that impedes a House vote?

Special counsel Jack Smith has charged Donald Trump with obstructing a Congressional proceeding, and he says Mr. Trump’s “fraudulent electoral certifications” in 2020 are covered by Sarbox, regardless of what the Supreme Court does in Fischer. The other piece of context is that prosecutors going after Jan. 6 rioters have charged obstruction in hundreds of cases. But if those counts are in jeopardy, don’t blame the Supreme Court.

Presumably many of those defendants could be on the hook for disorderly conduct or other crimes, and the feds can throw the book at them. What prosecutors can’t do is rewrite the law to create crimes Congress didn’t.

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Re: Politics by Lawfare, and the Law of War
« Reply #407 on: April 19, 2024, 09:02:38 AM »
A jury of his political enemies peers

Like in the old South, a black man facing an all white jury.


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Re: Politics by Lawfare, and the Law of War
« Reply #408 on: April 19, 2024, 09:18:47 AM »
A jury of his political enemies peers

Like in the old South, a black man facing an all white jury.

So true.  The zip code of the trial should not determine guilt or innocence.

He has no chance at unanimous acquittal,  so will be stained with hung jury or felon no matter what happens.

I'm not against charging a former office holder with a crime,  but it should be rock solid, crystal clear case to take any American from private life to incarceration, and this is not.  It must be a crime that ANYONE who committed that act would be charged with.  Clearly this is not.

Judge could have ruled the state had plenty of time to try this case not during the campaign.  He did not.

A state conviction cannot be pardoned by a President....
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Politics by Lawfare, NY Trump Trial Jurors
« Reply #409 on: April 21, 2024, 09:27:57 AM »
Here I am, posting analysis from Slate:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-the-trump-jurors-think-of-the-former-president/ar-AA1nkQmt

https://slate.com/tag/bragg-trial

Jurors chosen are the ones who best hide their views and most persuasively say they will keep an open mind to the facts and the law.

They all seem to get their news from the New York Times.  Does anyone inside of NY know that is the radical left wing publication that led the phony Russian collusion story for 2 years and never recanted it - among all their other left wing activisms.

Every juror is either from NY or moved to this most urban, most liberal jurisdiction by choice.

There were limits on how many objections the defense team could make.  Every time they block one, one more comes up from the same pool.

My take is that there may be one, two at most who stand strong against a wrongful guilty verdict.  A not guilty verdict is not possible.

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Re: Politics by Lawfare, and the Law of War
« Reply #410 on: April 21, 2024, 04:06:26 PM »
There are at least two attorneys on the jury.  Perhaps one or both with have the mental coherence to grasp the incoherent inanity of the charges.

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« Reply #411 on: April 22, 2024, 10:07:59 AM »


(4) PUNISHMENT OF TRUMP OFFICIALS, SUPPORTERS CONTINUES: A three judge panel from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the Texas State Bar can continue its administrative actions against Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, alleging that Paxton made false representations to the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn 2020 election results.

Former Trump attorney John Eastman said he has been “debanked” by Bank of America and USAA while facing possible disbarment in California.

Why It Matters: National and state level Democrats punishing former Trump officials through disbarment, cutting off post-government job tracks in media, and now “debanking” increase the chance of a counter elite developing in the United States. These actions also very likely increase the chances of future Trump administration officials taking more radical policy positions. Prospective officials concerned about post-administration employment or being punished legally or extra-legally would likely be deterred from serving. – R.C.

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Re: Politics by Lawfare, and the Law of War
« Reply #412 on: April 22, 2024, 11:51:55 AM »
There are at least two attorneys on the jury.  Perhaps one or both with have the mental coherence to grasp the incoherent inanity of the charges.


Yes, very possible.  OTOH, lawyers are 93% Democrat [or something like that] and perhaps able to find reasons to support their desired outcome.

What I would look for are the 'double haters', or people who despise Trump but don't appreciate this tactic against him.  The lawyers might fit that.  People who never liked Trump, detest him personally, but start to realize the other side is f'd up too.  Like you say, maybe they can look past a political and personal bias and rule on the merits of the case and the meaning of the law.  Depending on what they see in the case, an 'honest' Democrat could vote to acquit on these charges and still want him to lose in the election.