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Turkey Elections: Ruling Party Takes a Big Hit
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GPF: Turkey-Syria
« Reply #351 on: July 27, 2024, 04:16:16 PM »
July 23, 2024
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Turkey’s Uphill Battle to a Rapprochement With Syria
Ideology and the presence of several foreign actors complicates the situation.
By: Hilal Khashan
Since the 1950s, Turkey has expressed interest in the domestic affairs of Syria more than any other Arab country, driven by a long shared border, demographic overlap, security concerns and Ankara’s regional ambitions. Turkey even threatened to invade Syria in 1957 over the growing Soviet influence in the country, fearing that the Syrian Communist Party could stage a military coup. It again threatened Damascus with war over its support for the irredentist Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK.

However, the two countries’ relations improved significantly after the Justice and Development Party, or AKP, won parliamentary elections in 2002 and announced its “zero problems with neighbors” policy. After becoming Turkish prime minister in 2003, AKP leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan also forged a personal friendship with Syrian President Bashar Assad. But the Syrian uprising in 2011 cut short their detente as Erdogan sided with the opposition. He believed that the Arab uprisings could help make Turkey a prominent regional power. His gamble only antagonized many Arab regimes and eventually led to Turkey’s semi-isolation in the region. In his bid to reverse this trajectory, Erdogan has since made several gestures to restore ties with Arab states, including Syria – even indicating that he would meet in person with Assad. However, given the complexity of the situation in Syria and the presence of several foreign actors there, resolving the two countries’ differences will be an uphill battle.

Origins of the Conflict

When Mustafa Kemal Ataturk announced the establishment of the modern Turkish state in 1923, he pursued an ambitious national policy focused on creating a capable central state and solid national identity. Under Ataturk’s plan, the state would concentrate on internal security and distance itself from its regional neighbors in West Asia and North Africa, opting instead to identify with European secularism and ways of life. Ataturk’s untimely death in 1938 weakened his Republican People’s Party, leading to a landslide victory for the opposition Democrat Party in 1950. Its leaders, Adnan Menderes and Celal Bayar, loosened Ataturk’s clampdown on Islam and engaged Turkey in Middle Eastern affairs by joining the Baghdad Pact in 1955. This move drew Ankara closer to the Hashemites in Iraq and Jordan while alienating it from Egypt and Syria, where pan-Arabism surged.

Turkey’s current borders were drawn between 1920 and 1938, when Turkish forces entered the Iskenderun district and placed it under Ankara’s control. However, there is a big difference between Turkey’s territorial and ideological boundaries – a disparity that has invariably been a source of tension between Turkey and Arab countries, namely Syria.

The idea of a harmonious Turkish identity dominated political discourse among the Turkish elite beginning when the Kurds were described as “mountain Turks.” In the 1940s, efforts to “Turkify” the economy began by weakening non-Muslim segments of the population (Christians and Jews) through the imposition of a wealth tax in 1942 at a rate that reached 80 percent. Hostility toward non-Muslims peaked in 1955, when crowds of Turks targeted Armenian and Greek businesses and individuals on Istanbul’s famous Independence Avenue.

The 1980 military coup initiated what emerged as the Islamic approach to confronting Kurdish nationalist, communist and leftist tendencies. It served as a convenient basis for the use of the term neo-Ottomanism for the first time by Turgut Ozal, Turkey’s prime minister between 1983 and 1989, who put forward the slogan “from the Adriatic to the Wall of China.” Even before assuming a government position, Ahmet Davutoglu (who would later become the country’s foreign minister and then prime minister) referred to neo-Ottomanism as a political ideology. He believed that the root of the most critical problems in Turkish foreign policy was the failure to harmonize it with the Ottoman legacy and develop an ambitious new agenda.

Davutoglu’s pursuit of strategic depth essentially involved a restoration of historical and cultural ties between Turkey and the former regions of the Ottoman Empire. Turkish officials often referred to the country’s historic responsibilities toward the Middle East and North Africa. In 2009, Davutoglu said that Turkey has an enduring legacy from the Ottoman era and must pay attention to the countries of the region.

The Arab Spring uprisings presented an opportunity for the AKP to implement its neo-Ottoman project. From this perspective, then-Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan saw Syria as an internal Turkish issue. He emphasized that his government would not stay out of the conflict there and argued that the Turkish people were the custodians of Syrian ancestral land.

Turkish Demands

There are two main reasons behind Turkey’s desire to normalize relations with the Assad regime. First, Erdogan is determined to prevent the PKK from establishing a mini-state in northern Syria. Second, he is convinced that he needs Assad’s cooperation to bring as many Syrian refugees as possible back to Syria. With 3 million Syrians now living in Turkey, the situation has become untenable as a growing portion of Turkish society refuses to allow Syrian refugees to remain in their country. If Erdogan meets with Assad, he will ask him to secure their repatriation to Syria and expects the Syrian government to return their property to them.

Erdogan also wants Assad to take an unambiguous position on the Kurdish People’s Protection Units, or YPG, which the Turkish government views as indistinguishable from the PKK. The YPG operates under the banner of the Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF, which controls more than a third of Syrian territory and, according to Ankara, threatens Turkish national security. Turkey’s security doctrine seeks to fight terrorist groups in their strongholds before they reach the country, in part by establishing military bases in places like Syria and Iraq. What worries Turkey is that the Kurds in eastern Syria now have civil institutions and a functioning bureaucracy. They seem to believe that they are on the path to achieving their historical dream of establishing a state of their own, a possibility Turkey cannot tolerate.

Ankara is also now concerned that municipal elections set for next month in northeastern Syria’s Kurdish autonomous region will grant legitimacy to the YPG and its political wing, the Democratic Union Party. It’s also uneasy about the fact that these elections do not concern the Syrian government, which does not view the Kurds as an imminent threat.

Syrian Demands

Given Erdogan’s fickle foreign policy, Assad realizes how eager the Turkish president is to negotiate with him and wants to improve his bargaining position in partnership with Russia, which supports their potential rapprochement. The Syrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said that any normalization of relations with Ankara would have to involve the withdrawal of Turkish forces from northern Syria and the cessation of Ankara’s support for Syrian opposition groups.

Despite their disagreement on several issues, there’s a high possibility that a meeting will take place. However, it’s unlikely to produce tangible results because Assad cannot change the realities in Syria, where the United States controls the main Kurdish militant groups and sympathizes with the Kurdish state project. In addition, when the uprising started in 2011, Syrian Sunnis overwhelmingly demanded Assad’s ouster. Now that he’s pursuing a policy that he has called “useful Syria,” an arrangement in which Sunnis would never again constitute a demographic majority in the country, it’s unlikely that he will allow Sunni Syrian refugees to return to their homes.

Assad is also unable to make certain decisions on his own. External powers like Iran and Russia could ultimately form an invisible front against Turkey, meaning that a meeting between Erdogan and Assad will not be enough to solidify a rapprochement. Turkey must therefore be ready for lengthy negotiations with other influential actors in the country. The pressing question is: What interests can help the two countries overcome their differences?

One issue on which they somewhat agree is the Kurdish question. Both classify the YPG as a terrorist group and heavily criticize its U.S.-backed military activity and the possibility of an independent Kurdish entity. It is in the interest of both parties to maintain security and have the Turkish and Syrian armies control their shared border, which stretches more than 560 miles.

However, Turkey’s primary motivation for normalizing relations with Damascus is the establishment of a buffer zone between Turkish territory and the Kurdish-led region in northern Syria. Some in Syria want to revive the Adana Agreement – a 1998 deal under which Syria agreed to stop supporting the PKK and expel its leader to avert war – provided that a new version includes radical Islamic armed opposition groups in Idlib, such as Hayat Tahrir al-Sham. However, it is not yet clear that Turkey will accept confronting these factions before reaching a comprehensive agreement that ends the war in Syria and defines its postwar government and relationship with neighboring countries.

One proposal for dealing with the armed opposition factions in Idlib is to include the moderate ones under the so-called Fifth Corps of the Syrian army, tasked with defending the border. This includes the Turkish-backed Syrian national army patrolling segments of the Turkish-Syrian border. Both the Syrian Democratic Forces and the Syrian regime have indicated that they would accept the plan. As for Turkey, it is amenable to the redeployment of its forces in northern Syria and to the provision of guarantees that it will withdraw all of its troops upon restoring border security, provided that Kurdish forces stay away from it. Turkey has also expressed its openness to providing guarantees to Russia to withdraw from Syria when the conflict ends. Assad knows that a rapid withdrawal of Turkish forces from northern Syria will create a security vacuum that no one can fill. It will also lead to chaos in the north because Turkey controls the armed opposition there.

Assad does not believe that Iran will accept a Turkey-Syria rapprochement because it would weaken Iran's presence in his country, to Ankara’s benefit. However, Iran is preoccupied with its internal affairs and unrelenting Israeli airstrikes in Syria, and it doesn’t seem capable of stalling a reconciliation between Assad and Erdogan. Either way, serious negotiations between Turkey and Syria will have to wait until after the U.S. presidential election. It is Washington, after all, that ultimately pulls the strings in the Syrian conflict.

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GPF: Turkey's pivot to China
« Reply #352 on: August 16, 2024, 07:23:04 AM »


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The Truth About Turkey’s ‘Pivot’ to China
Ankara wants to exploit trans-Atlantic security agreements, not destroy them.
By: Antonia Colibasanu

Turkey is on a diplomatic offensive to justify a foreign policy that some believe is too friendly to too many. On Aug. 11, Turkish Defense Minister Yasar Guler said in an interview that Turkey's NATO membership does not preclude it from developing relations with the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. This comes roughly a month after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said point blank that Turkey wants to be a part of the SCO and after Turkey’s ambassador to Beijing explained that joining the SCO and the BRICS would complement rather than conflict with its membership in Western organizations.

This is puzzling for many. The SCO is a political, economic and security alliance founded in 2001 by China and Russia that has since expanded to include Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, India, Pakistan, Iran and Belarus. It means to enhance cooperation and trust among member states, maintain regional security and stability, combat terrorism and extremism, and promote economic development. It’s not a military organization, so it’s not a direct competitor to NATO, but many believe it is an organization that legitimizes illiberal norms and opens exceptions to otherwise applicable international norms, providing a sort of haven for nations that want to avoid the scrutiny of Western-dominated organizations. (Turkey’s interest in joining isn’t exactly new, but it has shown a much greater sense of urgency lately.) The BRICS, meanwhile, comprises countries that seek to challenge the political and economic power of the wealthier nations of North America and Western Europe. To many in the West, it is considered nothing less than a challenge to its own model for the world.

In seeking to work with both groups, Turkey has shown a willingness to maintain good working relations with the two biggest challengers to Western power: Russia and China. Turkey has cultivated a cautious but neighborly relationship with Russia, but its ties to China have recently begun to grow. Bilateral trade has increased over the past five years, and official visits have intensified. (Turkey’s ministers of foreign affairs, energy and natural resources, and industry and technology have all traveled to Beijing this year.) Though recent statements suggest increased security ties between the two countries, Sino-Turkish relations are in fact based on shared economic interests.

Given the current international business environment, the challenge of global economic restructuring, the lingering effects of the COVID-19 pandemic and the fallout of the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, how Turkey and China shape their relationship is critical to understanding the future of global trade and investment corridors. While the West is considering de-risking or decoupling for economic and security reasons, Turkey seems to be moving in the opposite direction. Its strategic location, its membership in Western organizations, and its economic ties to the European Union will necessarily shape current and future security arrangements.

Turkey’s interest in China is straightforward: It needs investment in key sectors to enhance its energy security and sustain its technological development. It also needs foreign capital to tame inflation (which stands above 60 percent), reinforce its currency and pay for ongoing reconstruction following last year’s devastating earthquake. Crucially, Ankara knows that China needs to address some of its own economic problems, which can be at least tempered with new trade routes and markets. It clearly believes they are ideally suited to help each other out.

The Turkish government has urged China to increase investment in a variety of sectors – solar and nuclear energy, high-tech infrastructure and AI. And the newly constructed Sinovac vaccine center is a good example of how the two countries can improve ties in specific areas. But a much more important example – the agreement between Chinese carmaker BYD and Turkey to build a production plant in Manisa province – shows how the two can parlay their ties into something more. The agreement came after a slew of EU measures to lower imports of Chinese electronic vehicles into the bloc. Among them was an increase in customs tariffs from 10 percent to 17.4 percent specifically levied against BYD. Though the tariffs are temporary, the EU will likely meet in October to decide whether they become permanent. If they do, they will almost certainly further decrease BYD’s market share in Europe.

China’s loss was Turkey’s gain. After the EU enacted its protectionist measures, Ankara imposed an additional 40 percent tariff on imports of vehicles from China – only to later exempt Chinese companies that invest in Turkey. The exemption was tailored to suit BYD’s needs but may well attract other manufacturers. For China, there is an even greater benefit. Turkey and the EU share a customs union that states that anything made in Turkey is exempt from customs duties when sold to the EU. Moreover, factories set up in Turkey do not have to apply EU regulations to labor or production standards. So long as the final products meet the European consumers’ standards, they can be sold in the EU market. This translates into lower production costs.

China's Slow Start to Foreign Direct Investment to Turkey

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This explains why Erdogan, Industry Minister Mehmet Fatih Kacir and BYD Chairman Wang Chuanfu attended the agreement’s signing ceremony in Istanbul on July 8 – just four days after Erdogan attended an SCO summit in Kazakhstan to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Besides the immediate business benefits Turkey’s proximity to Europe offers Chinese investors, there is also the matter of long-term strategy. From China's point of view, its growing economic presence in Turkey is part and parcel of its growing use of the Middle Corridor – itself a part of the Belt and Road Initiative – as the war in Ukraine restricts use of the Northern Corridor, and as the Gaza war threatens transit through the Red Sea. Given China’s near-existential need to sell its goods, new trade routes and new markets mean more than just dollars and cents.

The same could be said of Turkey. For Ankara, the money is nice, but the improvement in its strategic posture is nicer. With Russia weakening as a result of the Ukraine war, Turkey sees China as the only viable challenger to Western (read: American) global dominance. It may maintain a close alliance with Washington, but it wants to develop its approach to regional security. This led Turkey to purchase Russian-made S-400 air defense systems, which ultimately caused its expulsion from the U.S.' F-35 program. It was only Turkey’s agreement to ratify Swedish NATO membership that rekindled its relations with the U.S. Ankara has now agreed to pay $23 billion for the most sophisticated variant of the F-16 aircraft. This is just one example of how Turkey uses diplomacy to gain leverage in negotiations with the West. Its budding relationship with China is absolutely part of that strategy.

Overall, what seems to be a new foreign policy oriented toward China is a planned, pragmatic move by Turkey to increase its strategic options and autonomy, which eventually will be turned into bargaining chips in discussions with NATO and the U.S. The profits are icing on the cake. That China's leadership will avoid confronting the West over the matter will only benefit Turkey, which wants not so much to destroy trans-Atlantic security arrangements but to gain marginal advantages from exploiting them.

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This Erdagon guy is becoming a menace
« Reply #353 on: September 03, 2024, 08:57:15 AM »
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/turkey-wants-join-brics-bloc-154011773.html

I don't know if Turkey should get booted out of NATO or not but the cons of keeping them in is rising and the gains - well I have not read any.

I read they may not even let the US remove our nucs from our base there.  Risk they may seize control which of course would be an act of war .


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Re: Turkey
« Reply #354 on: September 03, 2024, 06:37:34 PM »


"I read they may not even let the US remove our nucs from our base there."

I had not heard this and would love to read up on it.   Any citation?

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GPF: Could this have something to do with Trump/Musk's call to Turkey?
« Reply #355 on: November 09, 2024, 09:02:37 AM »


Turkish expectations. Meanwhile, Turkey’s trade minister said Ankara anticipated that financial pressures it has seen due to sanctions against Russia will ease after Trump’s election. He explained that Turkish companies and banks have been under serious strain because of the sanctions.

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Re: Nato menace stops all ties with Israel
« Reply #357 on: November 14, 2024, 09:19:03 AM »
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-severs-all-relations-israel-says-erdogan

Turkiye has been a thorn for decades. Apparently they are masters at playing the US off against Russia.

Since they aren't really an ally it would be easy to tell them to go to hell, but then they join the Russia camp with Iran etc.

Maybe Rubio and the new team will have Better ideas of what to do about this.

Cutting off ties (they never had) is different than invading or funding Hamas.

The current war with Hamas will soon be yesterday's news.
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