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Re: Chess
« Reply #100 on: December 31, 2014, 05:33:13 PM »
B-e5

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Re: Chess
« Reply #101 on: December 31, 2014, 05:35:47 PM »
B-e5


1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nb5 a6 6. N5c3 b5 7. Be3 Bb7 8. f3 Nf6 9. Qd2 Nbd7 10. Bd3 Nh5 11. g3 d5 12. exd5 Ndf6 13. g4 Nf4 14. Bxf4 exf4 15. Qxf4 Nxd5 16. Nxd5 Qh4+ 17. Kd2 Qf2+ 18. Be2 Bxd5 19. Qe3+ Qxe3+ 20. Kxe3 Bc5+ 21. Kf4 O-O 22. Kg3 Rfe8 23. Nc3 Bb7 24. a3 Rad8 25. Rad1 Bd6+ 26. Kg2 g6 27. Bd3 Be5 28. Rhe1

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Re: Chess
« Reply #102 on: December 31, 2014, 05:42:26 PM »
R-d4

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Re: Chess
« Reply #103 on: December 31, 2014, 05:50:58 PM »
R-d4

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nb5 a6 6. N5c3 b5 7. Be3 Bb7 8. f3 Nf6 9. Qd2 Nbd7 10. Bd3 Nh5 11. g3 d5 12. exd5 Ndf6 13. g4 Nf4 14. Bxf4 exf4 15. Qxf4 Nxd5 16. Nxd5 Qh4+ 17. Kd2 Qf2+ 18. Be2 Bxd5 19. Qe3+ Qxe3+ 20. Kxe3 Bc5+ 21. Kf4 O-O 22. Kg3 Rfe8 23. Nc3 Bb7 24. a3 Rad8 25. Rad1 Bd6+ 26. Kg2 g6 27. Bd3 Be5 28. Rhe1 Rd4 29. Be4


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Re: Chess
« Reply #104 on: December 31, 2014, 05:53:45 PM »
RxR+

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Re: Chess
« Reply #105 on: December 31, 2014, 05:58:32 PM »
RxR+

Sir? My rooks are e1 and d1 whereas my king is on g2.

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Re: Chess
« Reply #106 on: December 31, 2014, 06:01:32 PM »
 :oops: :oops: :oops:  For some reason in my moving things around I had that rook on the second row.  Give me a moment to recalculate.

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Re: Chess
« Reply #107 on: December 31, 2014, 06:03:42 PM »
:oops: :oops: :oops:  For some reason in my moving things around I had that rook on the second row.  Give me a moment to recalculate.


No problem. We'll call this one a practice run. Here is a good program for running these things. http://www.chess.com/analysis-board-editor?

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Re: Chess
« Reply #108 on: December 31, 2014, 06:09:05 PM »
No worries, this brain fart cost me nothing so we can continue without harm to my game-- but right now Cindy just came in so I think we will have to continue tomorrow.

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Re: Chess
« Reply #109 on: December 31, 2014, 06:11:04 PM »
No worries, this brain fart cost me nothing so we can continue without harm to my game-- but right now Cindy just came in so I think we will have to continue tomorrow.


You bet sir. Have a happy new year and I want to thank you. I am enjoying this quite a bit. Stick Grappler is giving you the edge thus far with your bishop pairing. Please tell the Mrs. that I send my regards.

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Re: Chess
« Reply #110 on: December 31, 2014, 06:18:18 PM »
Woof DDF and Guro C,

THANK YOU both!

If i have this right (quick cut and paste):

"A good stickgrappler has good stick skills, good grappling, and good stickgrappling and can keep track of all three simultaneously. This is a good trick and can be quite effective." - Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny

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Re: Chess
« Reply #111 on: December 31, 2014, 06:22:25 PM »
That picture is through move 28, didn't see White's 29th move at the time I made that.
"A good stickgrappler has good stick skills, good grappling, and good stickgrappling and can keep track of all three simultaneously. This is a good trick and can be quite effective." - Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny

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Re: Chess
« Reply #112 on: December 31, 2014, 07:05:40 PM »
That picture is through move 28, didn't see White's 29th move at the time I made that.

Thank you both and yes SG, that is correct.

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Re: Chess
« Reply #113 on: December 31, 2014, 08:36:12 PM »
Woof SG:

Delighted to have you on board as an observer!

DDF:

Regardless of how the game ends up, you have my compliments and respects; you are a very good player.   I look forward to many more games between us.  Clearly I need to get a second set so I have one I can work out ideas and the other one as the actual game.


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Re: Chess
« Reply #114 on: December 31, 2014, 09:21:16 PM »
Woof SG:

Delighted to have you on board as an observer!

DDF:

Regardless of how the game ends up, you have my compliments and respects; you are a very good player.   I look forward to many more games between us.  Clearly I need to get a second set so I have one I can work out ideas and the other one as the actual game.



I'm still pretty rusty, I can see I will have a tough time of it with either of you!

Props to you Guro C and to DDF!

"A good stickgrappler has good stick skills, good grappling, and good stickgrappling and can keep track of all three simultaneously. This is a good trick and can be quite effective." - Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny

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Re: Chess
« Reply #115 on: December 31, 2014, 11:39:12 PM »
"Iron sharpens Iron." Learned that at my first gathering. My respects to all of you and my sincere wish for peace on earth, and a great year for all of us. The sentiments expressed by both of you are echoed by me. Salute gentlemen.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2014, 11:42:22 PM by DDF »

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Re: Chess
« Reply #116 on: June 28, 2015, 04:52:21 PM »
Woof SG:

Delighted to have you on board as an observer!

DDF:

Regardless of how the game ends up, you have my compliments and respects; you are a very good player.   I look forward to many more games between us.  Clearly I need to get a second set so I have one I can work out ideas and the other one as the actual game.



Good game Crafty.

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Re: Chess
« Reply #117 on: June 28, 2015, 07:56:47 PM »
Re-watched "Searching for Bobby Fisher" with my son tonight.   We first watched it together about 7-8 years ago.

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Bughouse Chess
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Re: Chess
« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2017, 05:26:37 AM »
My son has been studying gambits and with great pride I can say he has now passed me. 8-) 8-) 8-)

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Brilliant game by Bobby Fisher
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Re: Chess
« Reply #124 on: March 18, 2019, 10:32:53 PM »
Far out.






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WSJ: Chess Cheat!
« Reply #130 on: October 05, 2022, 01:06:40 AM »


Hans Moke Niemann in a screen grab from a video posted by the Saint Louis Chess Club on Sept. 6.
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Oct. 4, 2022 3:26 pm ET


When world chess champion Magnus Carlsen last month suggested that American grandmaster Hans Moke Niemann was a cheater, the 19-year-old Niemann launched an impassioned defense. Niemann said he had cheated, but only at two points in his life, describing them as youthful indiscretions committed when he was 12 and 16 years old.

Now, however, an investigation into Niemann’s play—conducted by Chess.com, an online platform where many top players compete—has found the scope of his cheating to be far wider and longer-lasting than he publicly admitted.

The report, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, alleges that Niemann likely received illegal assistance in more than 100 online games, as recently as 2020. Those matches included contests in which prize money was on the line. The site uses a variety of cheating-detection tools, including analytics that compare moves to those recommended by chess engines, which are capable of beating even the greatest human players every time. 

The report states that Niemann privately confessed to the allegations, and that he was subsequently banned from the site for a period of time.

The 72-page report also flagged what it described as irregularities in Niemann’s rise through the elite ranks of competitive, in-person chess. It highlights “many remarkable signals and unusual patterns in Hans’ path as a player.”

While it says Niemann’s improvement has been “statistically extraordinary,” Chess.com noted that it hasn’t historically been involved with cheat detection for classical over-the-board chess, and it stopped short of any conclusive statements about whether he has cheated in person. Still, it pointed to several of Niemann’s strongest events, which it believes “merit further investigation based on the data.” FIDE, chess’s world governing body, is conducting its own investigation into the Niemann-Carlsen affair.

“Outside his online play, Hans is the fastest rising top player in Classical [over-the-board] chess in modern history,” the report says, while comparing his progress to the game’s brightest rising stars. “Looking purely at rating, Hans should be classified as a member of this group of top young players. While we don’t doubt that Hans is a talented player, we note that his results are statistically extraordinary.”


Chess.com, which is in the process of buying Carlsen’s Play Magnus app, is a popular platform for both casual players and grandmasters alike. It has more than 90 million members and also hosts big tournaments for elite players with lucrative prize money.


Hans had the fastest and biggest increase in his score over time in comparison to his peers and other notable players, when considering all of their known Classical OTB games played from age 11-19.
PHOTO: CHESS.COM

Niemann didn’t respond to requests for comment. When he addressed the controversy last month, he said that he had dedicated himself to over-the-board chess after he was caught cheating, in order to prove himself as a player.

The controversy erupted in early September at the prestigious Sinquefield Cup in St. Louis, where Niemann upset Carlsen while playing with the black pieces, which is a disadvantage. Carlsen then abruptly quit the tournament. Though the Norwegian didn’t accuse Niemann of impropriety at the time, the chess community interpreted his action as a protest.

The pair met again in an online event weeks later, and Carlsen quit their game after making just one move. Days later, the world No. 1 publicly confirmed his suspicions of Niemann.

“I believe that Niemann has cheated more—and more recently—than he has publicly admitted,” Carlsen wrote in his first public statement on the matter on Sept. 26. “His over the board progress has been unusual, and throughout our game in the Sinquefield Cup I had the impression that he wasn’t tense or even fully concentrating on the game in critical positions, while outplaying me as black in a way I think only a handful of players can do.”

When Niemann addressed the suspicions last month, he said the only instance in which he cheated in an event with prize money was when he was 12. He said he later cheated as a 16-year-old, in “random games,” and that they were the biggest mistakes of his life. He also said he never cheated while live-streaming a game. 

“I would never, could even fathom doing it, in a real game,” he said.

The Chess.com report contradicts those statements. It says several prize-money events are included in the 100-plus suspect games and that he was live-streaming the contests during 25 of them. It adds that he was 17 years old during the most recent violations, which subsequently led Chess.com to close his account. A letter sent to Niemann included in the report notes “blatant cheating” to improve his rating in various games, including in one against Russian chess star Ian Nepomniachtchi, Carlsen’s most recent challenger for the World Chess Championship.

Niemann in 2020 confessed to the allegations in a phone call with the platform’s chief chess officer, Danny Rensch, the report says. The report also includes screenshots of subsequent Slack messages between the two in which they discuss a possible return to the site, which is permitted for players who admit their wrongdoing.

Niemann last month questioned why he was banned from the Chess.com Global Championship, a million-dollar prize event. Shortly thereafter, Rensch wrote a letter to Niemann explaining that “there always remained serious concerns about how rampant your cheating was in prize events” and that there was too much at stake. The letter added that Niemann’s suspicious moves coincided with moments when he had opened up a different screen on his computer—implying that he was consulting a chess engine for the best move.

“We are prepared to present strong statistical evidence that confirm each of those cases above, as well as clear ‘toggling’ vs ‘non-toggling’ evidence, where you perform much better while toggling to a different screen during your moves,” Rensch wrote.

Chess.com has historically handled its bans privately, as it did with Niemann in 2020. The platform deviated from that over the last month with Niemann, the report says, after he publicly addressed his communications with Chess.com and his ban from the site’s Global Championship. The report said Chess.com felt “compelled to share the basis” for its decisions. 


The report says that Chess.com uses a variety of cheat-detection tools, including: analytics that compare moves to those recommended by chess engines; studies of a player’s past performance and strength profile; monitoring behavior such as players opening up other browsers while playing; and input from grandmaster fair play analysts.

Computers have “nearly infallible tactical calculation,” the report says, and are capable of beating even the best human every single time. The report says dozens of grandmasters have been caught cheating on the website, including four of the top-100 players in the world who confessed.

Identifying violations in over-the-board games remains a major challenge. The main reason is that grandmasters who cheat require very little assistance. For a player operating in elite circles, a couple of subtle moves in critical spots can be enough to tilt the balance against a world champion. That makes definitively proving allegations of cheating difficult unless a player is caught in the act—by using a phone in the bathroom, wearing a small earpiece or receiving signals from someone in the audience.

Niemann first crossed 2300 in the ELO rating system used by chess in late 2015 or early 2016, as an obviously gifted preteen. It took him more than two years to push that number above 2400 and another two to begin flirting with 2500—grandmaster territory—in late 2020. He achieved grandmaster status at the age of 17 in January 2021 and began his drive toward the rarefied atmosphere of the super grandmasters. This made him a relatively late-bloomer compared to some of his peers.

In the ELO system, the fastest way to make large jumps is to win a lot and beat people who are rated above you. Over the next 18 months, Niemann picked up more than 180 ELO points. Data collected by chess.com measuring the strength of his play shows a rise steeper than any of the top young players in the world.

“Our view of the data is that Hans, however, has had an uncharacteristically erratic growth period mired by consistent plateaus,” the report says.

The report also addresses Niemann’s postgame analysis of the moves from his game against Carlsen, which top players say showed a lack of understanding of the positions he had just played. It says Niemann’s analysis seems “to be at odds with the level of preparation that Hans claimed was at play in the game and the level of analysis needed to defeat the World Chess Champion.”

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Re: Chess
« Reply #131 on: June 02, 2023, 02:06:23 AM »
My son and I have been playing A LOT. 

He has gotten really good, and now coaches me so that I can give him a better game!

His attitude:  "I could beat you with my superior preparation of openings, but what would be the point?  What brings me to chess is the engagement of the middle and end games."

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Re: Chess
« Reply #132 on: June 02, 2023, 07:18:16 AM »
I remember my 3rd yr of medical school

3 of us were doing a rotation , I think it might have been psychiatry

We teamed against a fellow in training (3 or more yrs ahead of us )

for chess

The fellow beat all three of us despite putting 3 heads together!  :-D

He was Russian and a great chess player who could see multiple moves ahead of us !    :-o



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Re: Chess
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