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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2100 on: February 28, 2022, 01:10:43 PM »
"Atlanta Fed REAL wage 'growth' rate:   -2.38%

Question for Biden, is this growth rate SUSTAINABLE?

Answer : Ukraine

just wait for the pack of BS we will get tomorrow at SOU address
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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2101 on: February 28, 2022, 01:36:35 PM »
"Atlanta Fed REAL wage 'growth' rate:   -2.38%

Question for Biden, is this growth rate SUSTAINABLE?

Answer : Ukraine

just wait for the pack of BS we will get tomorrow at SOU address
 :roll:

Wouldn't it be amazing if Biden went off-script at the podium where his handlers can't touch him, and just told the truth about everything?  Become a JFK Democrat for his last 2 years.  Embrace peace through strength and rising tide, instead of covet thy neighbor, economics.




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Inflation costs the average American family $385 more per month, so far
« Reply #2102 on: March 03, 2022, 10:03:58 AM »
VDH on Biden flation
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/03/03/the_biden_inflation_octopus_147278.html
Read it all.  Prof. Hanson has an amazing way of spelling out how this hurts everyone.


Fox Business:
Inflation nation: These states are paying the highest prices
Inflation costs the average American family $385 more per month: JEC
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/inflation-nation-states-paying-highest-prices

Oil soars to $113 /barrel
https://www.ft.com/content/dc93a656-5305-4642-9bc5-6922e33faa06?segmentId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9

Fed Chair says interest costs going up:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/fed-powell-25-basis-point-rate-increase-march

Food inflation 7%
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/business/economy/food-prices-inflation-world.html

Producer prices up 9.7%
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-producer-prices-surge-97-year-ago-82899605

Gas prices double.  Heat your home: Double.  Electricity up, up, up and getting less reliable.

President Joe Biden has the answer:  "lower costs".  God help us.  Sooner rather then later.

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Re: Political Economics - Portland
« Reply #2103 on: March 16, 2022, 11:36:58 AM »
Rents are up 29% in Portland.
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/02/16/nbc-news-rent-inflation-is-real-and-is-spectacularly-bad-for-working-class-americans-n449094

There is something interesting here.  We saw the riots.  No one would want to live there.  Rents are up 29%.  It seems a contradiction.  Similar thing is happening in Mpls and many other 'blue' cities.  They make life expensive with taxes and regulations, then they expand the programs to make it 'affordable'.  Real costs, rents and prices just keep going up - for as long as deficit spending can support it.

Center city is where the arts are, where the universities often are, where the culture is, where the transportation hubs are, where the employment and businesses once grew, where the programs are, and where the crime and unrest is.  Also where new housing investors are reluctant to take more risks.


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Re: Inflation costs the average American family $385 more per month, so far
« Reply #2105 on: March 20, 2022, 02:44:46 PM »
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/101/794/693/original/547b1f88764a6c78.png



VDH on Biden flation
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/03/03/the_biden_inflation_octopus_147278.html
Read it all.  Prof. Hanson has an amazing way of spelling out how this hurts everyone.


Fox Business:
Inflation nation: These states are paying the highest prices
Inflation costs the average American family $385 more per month: JEC
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/inflation-nation-states-paying-highest-prices

Oil soars to $113 /barrel
https://www.ft.com/content/dc93a656-5305-4642-9bc5-6922e33faa06?segmentId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9

Fed Chair says interest costs going up:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/fed-powell-25-basis-point-rate-increase-march

Food inflation 7%
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/business/economy/food-prices-inflation-world.html

Producer prices up 9.7%
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-producer-prices-surge-97-year-ago-82899605

Gas prices double.  Heat your home: Double.  Electricity up, up, up and getting less reliable.

President Joe Biden has the answer:  "lower costs".  God help us.  Sooner rather then later.

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Political Economics, Left stumble past the truth on inflation
« Reply #2106 on: March 30, 2022, 06:35:52 AM »
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22994731/inflation-rate-russia-gas-prices-jerome-powell

"America’s inflation problem is weirdly hard to fix"

This is vox at the end of a long piece presenting one idea that 'some might argue':

... "different ideas for fixing inflation depend on what you think is causing it. For those in the camp that government stimulus and an overly accommodative Fed are part of the problem, that means that in the future,
 they’ll push for less stimulus and a less lenient Fed. "

Part of the problem?  Those who don't believe there is a Santa Claus in real macroeconomic? Um, that were three rounds of multi trillion dollar 'stimuli' (more money chasing fewer goods and services, it's definitional) coupled with dozens of anti-work, anti-production measures, on top of the regular deficits already over a trillion a year.  Yes, that might be "part of the problem"!

To stop inflation, you first must STOP DOING WHAT IS CAUSING IT.

An equally valid possibility for them is the Elizabeth Warren, AOC, Karl Marx idea that it's corporate greed causing all ILLS, they throw that in to keep their Left readership. However, ' corporate greed is a constant while inflation is at a 40 year high and escalating.  And their definition of corporate greed is investors and producers wishing to make a return on investment.  The alternative to that is no investing.  In that case, there are places in the world to study that have no private investment.  Stomping out private investment actually caused, did not solve, Venezuela's inflation.

"Weird".
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$5000 Inflation tax hits households with less than 400k income
« Reply #2107 on: March 31, 2022, 08:31:30 AM »
https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/u-s-households-face-5-200-inflation-tax-this-year-chart

We were promised this would hit only the super rich, was transitory, was a sign of a strong economy.  Promised!

Oops, consumer spending slows sharply:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-consumer-spending-slows-sharply-124922632.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

There is a lesson in this regarding "supply side economics". 

"Stimulating" demand doesn't work. We sent everybody a check, and then another check.  Then they wanted to send another and another.  We saw an artificial and apparent boost in economic activity but we did not see a boost in production, of oil, of food, of fertilizer, of consumer goods or of anything else.  The only thing boosted with lasting effect was the number of people leaving the workforce.

OTOH, we had tax RATE cuts that appeared and were alleged to only help employers, yet wages, employment and income surged while inflation stayed near zero.  People in the lower incomes, working people including blacks and Hispanics benefited the most.

How many times do we have to keep heading down the wrong road in the wrong direction over and over and over to learn the already known lessons and laws of economic science?
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Political Economists, Nobel?
« Reply #2109 on: April 06, 2022, 06:55:08 AM »
Analogous to "professional journalists" is now the term award winning economists:

https://www.epi.org/open-letter-from-nobel-laureates-in-support-of-economic-recovery-agenda/

Direct causation of inflation won't cause inflation.  You can trust that because WE SAID SO.

Oops, all wrong.  No consequence to reputations.  They will all still be Nobel Prize winning Economists next time a partisan Left political issue needs false support again.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3259197-nobel-economists-were-dead-wrong-on-inflation-dont-expect-an-apology/
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Fed study, stimulus checks worsened inflation
« Reply #2110 on: April 10, 2022, 06:25:02 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/04/09/fed-study-stimulus-checks-worsened-inflation-n1588317

Democratic deniers of economic science, is there any way we could have known in advance that more money chasing fewer goods and services would worsen inflation?

Oh wait, that's the definition of inflation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand-pull_inflation
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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2111 on: April 10, 2022, 08:48:02 AM »
"https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/04/09/fed-study-stimulus-checks-worsened-inflation-n1588317"

and the way to solve this problem of inflation just before an election
as per many dems:

send out more checks to pay for inflated goods and services

endless steal and bribe scams

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2112 on: April 10, 2022, 09:01:20 AM »
and I would add

of course ,

it is "for the children"

and if you disagree your a rotten white supremacist who is against children


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Re: Political Economics, 14.4% annualized inflation in March
« Reply #2113 on: April 12, 2022, 02:34:31 PM »
14.4% annualized inflation in March
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/12/business/cpi-inflation-report
Highest in 40 years.

Trump's fault Putin's fault, it's just the 40 year business cycle?

Do Dem voters really believe bad outcomes are not caused by their policies??

See previous post, their policies are the definition of inflation and stagnation/collapse.

Everything that has to do with healthy economic growth and stable currency they are against.

Then THIS happens.

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2114 on: April 12, 2022, 02:55:29 PM »
just shopped and everything is going up


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George costanza on wages under Biden
« Reply #2115 on: April 15, 2022, 07:37:59 AM »
Major shrinkage.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/real-wages-plummet-nearly-3-due-to-inflation
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Need opposite phrase for wage expansion under Trump/Republicans:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/02/under-trump-americans-have-seen-their-best-wage-growth-in-40-years/

We can't seem to ever communicate persuasively with the electorate, but shrinking wages do.

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Free Market Libertarian, or , , ,?
« Reply #2116 on: April 23, 2022, 01:41:44 PM »
My economics used to be free market libertarian.

Now it is not.

My simple example of why is any approach that leaves us dependent on China for our antibiotics is unsound.

Well, if not free market libertarian, then what?

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Corporate Skyscraper skyline concept piece depicting global business and finance with China being the global superpower in the middle.
Revitalizing the American industrial base requires moving beyond globalization.

American economists and policymakers dug our nation into its current industrial hole by failing to notice that the world has changed. For economists, it’s forever the 1770s, when Adam Smith observed that investors, “preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry” and “directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value,” would be “led by an invisible hand to promote” the public interest.

Or else it’s the 1960s, when Friedrich Hayek professed his faith that the “self-regulating forces of the market will somehow bring about…some necessary balance, between…exports and imports.” For free-market policymakers, it’s still 1980, and nothing’s wrong with the economy that a good dose of tax cuts, deregulation, and free trade won’t cure.

In fact, globalization has created an economy in which wildly imbalanced flows of goods and capital, distorted intentionally by policymakers abroad with no interest in the values of democratic capitalism, place the pursuit of profit at odds with the national interest. America does not benefit when its corporations offshore production in search of foreign subsidies and exploitable labor, no matter how much profits rise. Nor can America’s industrial commons thrive when the first move upon developing a new product in an American lab is to determine which Asian country has the best ecosystem for bringing it to scale.

So while I agree with David Goldman’s assessment of the challenges that America faces in a globalized economy against a much larger peer-competitor in China, I cannot agree with his suggestion that “we have nothing to learn: we only need to remember,” and that “we only have to dust off the old ideas and get the band back together.” Not that there’s anything wrong with the oldies—we do need modern moonshots to spur problem-solving by engineers, and our Department of Defense must start pushing the envelope on physics in pursuit of dual-use technologies. But on their own, such engines of innovation will fail to reenergize domestic industry.

Just imagine if the Apollo program or DARPA were spinning out their gizmos and gadgets in the 2010s. Goldman writes that government “got entrepreneurs to commercialize these things not by betting on the entrepreneurs, but by covering the costs of the fundamental research. That’s it.” But that’s not it. Implicit in the success of funding the research was the promise that entrepreneurs commercialized these things in America, investing in American production capacity, building the skills and expertise of American process engineers, and entrenching American supply chains.

In the 1960s, we could take all that for granted and leave it unsaid. Today, thanks to decades of U.S.-led and -celebrated globalization, the process looks different. We can generate world-beating innovation, we can even hand the intellectual property to U.S.-domiciled corporations run by American executives, but commercialization and production will still happen across the Pacific, with the finished goods shipped back to us, for which we pay as a nation by handing over assets and going further into debt.

We can and should strive for better innovation policy, but the central challenge for policymakers is to counteract globalization’s corrosive effect on our system of free-market capitalism. So long as we treat the whims of the Chinese Communist Party as just another market force, our market will not behave in the accustomed way or deliver the accustomed prosperity. Adopting free trade in pursuit of a “free market” has the opposite effect, corrupting our market with heavy-handed policies from abroad that siphon away the benefits of our innovation and create incentives for our corporations to pursue profit in ways that harm the national interest.

One part of the answer is industrial policy—channeling investment toward the uses most valuable to the nation. Goldman calls for this, but beyond mentioning a price tag of $1 trillion and a timeframe of ten years, he never explains what it would entail. Is the idea to spend that much subsidizing domestic investment? To leverage some smaller set of subsidies into that much private investment? In which industries?

Industrial policy isn’t free, but neither is spending gobs of money the point. Rather than placing government in control of investment, effective industrial policy alters market rules so that investments important to the nation become more attractive to market participants. Direct public spending should focus on supplying the public goods that are prerequisite to private investment, augmenting private investments that meet broadly applicable criteria, or financing speculative projects that cannot attract private capital. An appreciation of the market’s benefits and the government’s limitations distinguishes sensible industrial policy from the progressive formulations that hand responsibility for allocating resources and building enterprises over to bureaucrats.

And while industrial policy has its place, it will not overcome globalization’s pressures on its own. To create the market conditions in which domestic innovation fuels domestic industry (which is itself vital to further innovation), policymakers should foreclose the alternative. A number of tools—a global tariff, a market access charge, or an import certificate—would have the effect of making domestic production relatively more attractive, all the way to the point where trade comes into balance and we export as much as we import. We would still buy from abroad, but only in proportion to what the world buys from us, and only those things for which foreign producers had the largest insurmountable advantages.

That might seem a heavy-handed intervention, but it’s simpler, less intrusive, and more effective than the tangle of multilateral agreements needed to make globalization work, the countervailing policies needed to offset unfair practices abroad, and the ever-growing safety net needed to compensate everyone left behind. Require balanced trade, and the assumption that innovation begets industry will once again hold true. Investors and businesses pursuing profit will more consistently advance the national interest as well. China will no longer transmit its economic distortions and authoritarian politics into our market. Given the chance to work, American capitalism can still win.

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Political Economics, Bidenflation, now Bidencession?
« Reply #2117 on: April 28, 2022, 06:41:53 AM »
Biden took credit for the growth coming from red states reopening the previous quarters and called it unprecedented economic growth.  Now who owns the 1.4% GDP shrinkage in Q1 2022?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/28/us-q1-gdp-growth.html

Worst economy since the initial lockdown.

We are coming out of a pandemic and have economic decline?  Why?  How?  As mentioned here ad nauseum, THESE ARE ANTI-GROWTH POLICIES.

Yet the coverage of the economic decline including Fox calls it "unexpected". Unexpected would be anything that goes right under these anti-economic clowns.

One generally accepted definition of recession is two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth and now we have one.  In other words, they don't officially call it recession until we are 7 - 9 months into it, which if this continues puts us in the heat of the upcoming election cycle.

Steering the car by looking only through the rear view mirror has obvious dangers.

Every Democrat to the right or center of Stalin and Warren should triangulate right now. Force pro-growth policies through the process now, like indexing capital gains to inflation.  Steal the initiative from the Republicans or lose the country and lose the electorate by historical proportions.

It's that simple.
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Re: Political Economics, Bidenflation, now Bidencession?
« Reply #2118 on: April 28, 2022, 10:25:51 AM »
Isn’t it funny how the Dems don’t seem to be acting like they’ll lose power, no matter what they do.

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/398886.php


Biden took credit for the growth coming from red states reopening the previous quarters and called it unprecedented economic growth.  Now who owns the 1.4% GDP shrinkage in Q1 2022?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/28/us-q1-gdp-growth.html

Worst economy since the initial lockdown.

We are coming out of a pandemic and have economic decline?  Why?  How?  As mentioned here ad nauseum, THESE ARE ANTI-GROWTH POLICIES.

Yet the coverage of the economic decline including Fox calls it "unexpected". Unexpected would be anything that goes right under these anti-economic clowns.

One generally accepted definition of recession is two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth and now we have one.  In other words, they don't officially call it recession until we are 7 - 9 months into it, which if this continues puts us in the heat of the upcoming election cycle.

Steering the car by looking only through the rear view mirror has obvious dangers.

Every Democrat to the right or center of Stalin and Warren should triangulate right now. Force pro-growth policies through the process now, like indexing capital gains to inflation.  Steal the initiative from the Republicans or lose the country and lose the electorate by historical proportions.

It's that simple.

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Re: Political Economics, Bidenflation, now Bidencession?
« Reply #2119 on: April 28, 2022, 04:35:39 PM »
Isn’t it funny how the Dems don’t seem to be acting like they’ll lose power, no matter what they do.

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/398886.php

Datapoints to the contrary:

1.  In the House this year, incumbent Dems are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/06/democrats-retirements-election-2022-brenda-lawrence
...largely because everyone including their own internal polling expects Dems to lose the House.

2.  What was the rush to pressure a healthy but aging Justice Breyer to resign early from the Supreme Court?  The powers behind the President and the party, judging by their actions, believe Republicans will also take the Senate.

3. Note the shift of emphasis from failed legislation to executive orders as Dems already lost two members, Manchin and Sinema, on key issues.

4.  The contested electoral map keeps expanding into so-called blue states.

5.  Dem gatekeepers and access controllers, judging by their actions, are also scared to death of having either Slow Joe or the brainless and the childless cackling Mamala on the ballot in '24.

From where I sit, the Dem party sees nothing but losing for the foreseeable future, at least until Republicans screw up again.
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Re: Political Economics, Bidenflation, now Bidencession?
« Reply #2120 on: April 29, 2022, 08:08:42 AM »
Isn’t it funny how the Dems don’t seem to be acting like they’ll lose power, no matter what they do.

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/398886.php

Datapoints to the contrary:

1.  In the House this year, incumbent Dems are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/06/democrats-retirements-election-2022-brenda-lawrence
...largely because everyone including their own internal polling expects Dems to lose the House.

2.  What was the rush to pressure a healthy but aging Justice Breyer to resign early from the Supreme Court?  The powers behind the President and the party, judging by their actions, believe Republicans will also take the Senate.

3. Note the shift of emphasis from failed legislation to executive orders as Dems already lost two members, Manchin and Sinema, on key issues.

4.  The contested electoral map keeps expanding into so-called blue states.

5.  Dem gatekeepers and access controllers, judging by their actions, are also scared to death of having either Slow Joe or the brainless and the childless cackling Mamala on the ballot in '24.

From where I sit, the Dem party sees nothing but losing for the foreseeable future, at least until Republicans screw up again.

"5.  Dem gatekeepers and access controllers, judging by their actions, are also scared to death of having either Slow Joe or the brainless and the childless cackling Mamala on the ballot in '24."

Why? He got 81 million votes last time, he should expect even more next time, right?

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Dem policies spur record decline in workers’ wages and benefits, CNN
« Reply #2121 on: May 01, 2022, 06:23:10 PM »
"Inflation spurs record decline in workers’ wages and benefits."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/29/economy/inflation-worker-compensation/index.html
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Today our most liberal family member twice mentioned wages not keeping up with inflation.

Biden decline is real and affecting everyone, not a statistic on the economics page or a campaign ad.
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Re: Inflation spurs record decline in workers’ wages and benefits, CNN
« Reply #2122 on: May 01, 2022, 07:04:00 PM »
Did you suggest that the government create a UBI program to fix that?


"Inflation spurs record decline in workers’ wages and benefits."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/29/economy/inflation-worker-compensation/index.html
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Today our most liberal family member twice mentioned wages not keeping up with inflation.

Biden decline is real and affecting everyone, not a statistic on the economics page or a campaign ad.

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2123 on: May 02, 2022, 01:10:59 AM »
Good one.  A govt spending program to fix a govt spending problem.  No, I kept my mouth shut but wanted to say many things like, isn't that what you voted for?

Persuasion in politics is a delicate art. Telling them they're stupid hasn't been an effective launching point for me.

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2124 on: May 02, 2022, 09:21:51 AM »
"Telling them they're stupid hasn't been an effective launching point for me."

Powerful point.

My best effort is:

"What do you do when the facts prove you wrong?"

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Inflation is MAGA's fault!
« Reply #2125 on: May 10, 2022, 12:22:33 PM »

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2126 on: May 10, 2022, 02:17:16 PM »
Biden blames Republicans for taxing

and for inflation

I recall with clarity that the Democrats
swore up and down they were going full Alinsky
and decided they would lie , cheat , steal
blame everything that goes wrong
on republicans take no blame

when Trump gave them TDS
with his personality (never admit a mistake, never take blame)

they were intent on in their minds "getting even"

(of course they have had their way now for 30+ yrs)

so now they are shoving down our throats

There was a show called OZ
on HBO

I remember
the narrator was pointing out that one inmate was crazy because he found getting *revenge* was more important then risking his own life. 

The TDS crowd is similar

getting even, revenge , and their way are more important then the election they will lose because they are ruining the country in the process

just an observation

they like the CCP are in for the long haul

so if they lose this time they will get power back and never stop their agendas the whole time




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Alan Reynolds answers Biden's lame excuses for inflation
« Reply #2127 on: May 10, 2022, 08:55:05 PM »
In 1974 in the NYT.
It's shortages and corporate greed, right.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlanReynoldsEcn/status/1524134876827598849/photo/1

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2128 on: May 11, 2022, 06:54:22 AM »
Nice touch!

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Re: The question is incompetence or malevolence
« Reply #2132 on: June 12, 2022, 11:17:56 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/how-inflation-got-away-washington-screw-ups

Good article and good question, is it incompetence or malevolence, or more likely, a combination of the two.

I wrote an article on Janet Yellen in June 2016 for SpartaReport, the gist of it is here:
https://firehydrantoffreedom.com/index.php?topic=1948.msg97013#msg97013

For liberals in general, they have a stronger belief in capitalism (aka free enterprise) than do those of us who favor it.  They think you can throw all this bullsh*t up against it, taxes and regulations in particular, and it will keep going and going, without interruption.  We think economic liberty, like all kinds of liberty, is fragile and needs to protected at every turn or it will go away, be destroyed.

Yellen in particular is pro-inflation, well documented in the article.  Inflation enables what they, the Left, want to do.

It's kind of obvious now, in Venezuela as it is here in America, that is a dangerous position.

Once it spirals, where is the path other than up?

Paul Volcker alone did not have the answer.  Like a hammer approaching a nail, he knew only one thing, hit the nail, and Volcker tightened the money supply causing an immediate, horrible downturn under Carter.  The second half of the cure was to stimulate (remove hindrances to) production, known as the Reagan tax rate cuts, but those did not go into full effect until 1983, over three years later.

The economic carnage that happened in between DID NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN.

Is it incompetence or malevolence to refuse to look objectively at what we already know through experience?  Yes.  Both.
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Steve Forbes on inflation
« Reply #2133 on: June 12, 2022, 01:35:37 PM »
I heard him on newsmax (or was it c span)

he was saying the beginning of our problems started in 1971 When Nixon took us off the gold standard:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2022/03/16/book-review-steve-forbes-nathan-lewis-and-elizabeth-amess-inflation/?sh=91d924856c76

I thought his thesis was logical though I am no economist.

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« Reply #2134 on: June 12, 2022, 02:38:51 PM »
Yes.  It's not quite that simple.  I think they had to take away the gold convertibility (or default, same thing) by then. Then they tried the price wage freeze which was stupid and statist, and inflation doubled from 7% to 14% by the end of the decade.

They could use a 'basket' of goods (that includes gold) as the benchmark in place of gold convertibility, and now we have the Taylor rule, statistical monetary guidelines from Prof John Taylor at Stanford - that they don't follow,  .

They are worse than don't care.  Monetary policy enables reckless fiscal policies and they have other objectives ahead of price stability, such as employment, holding power and intentional inflation to devalue the debt.

The book, Seven Fat Years (and how to do it again) by then WSJ Editor Robert Bartley tells the story of 1971 and the years leading up to the Reagan revolution.
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« Reply #2136 on: June 27, 2022, 01:30:11 PM »
Free email newsletter.  They make a few great points every few days.  I've passed along some of them.  It is always worthwhile, though there are rare issues where I disagree with them.

Lead guy is Steve Moore.  Founders and contributors include Art Laffer, Steve Forbes, University of Chicago economist Casey Mulligan.

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About The Committee To Unleash Prosperity
A Brief History of the Policies of Equitable Prosperity
The phrase “Supply-Side economics” was first coined by Jude Wanniski.

Polyconomics’ chief economist Alan Reynolds flagged the phrase “Supply-Side fiscalists” from Republican economist Herb Stein, from which Wanniski clipped away “fiscalists.” The policies to which it referred were made relevant and compelling by political heroes, most prominently Rep. Jack Kemp (R-NY) and President Ronald Reagan.

In the late 1970s America was beset by a staggering “Misery Index,” meaning high inflation accompanied by high unemployment which, per the prevailing Neo-Keynesian economic doctrine, was an impossibility. “Supply-Side” contained an allusion to Say’s Law, named for free market economist Jean-Baptiste Say: “Supply creates its own demand.”

Supply-Side is a species of free market economics, among whose variants a great deal of intramural skirmishing occurs.

Supply-Side differentiates from libertarian, Austrian, laissez faire and classical liberalism, generally not in substance but in emphasis.

Supply-Side emphasizes the prosperity-generating quality of free markets.

The “Creators” or “Producers” of goods and services — entrepreneurs, businesses, investors—are the key driver of the economy, rather than the prevailing Neo-Keynesian emphasis on the consumer, known in the economist’s jargon as “aggregate demand.” Supply-Side economics is about empowering new or greater production, rather than consumption. All consumption, or “spending,” is the result of one’s production because one cannot consume, or spend money, without first producing (e.g. by working or investing).

Supply-Side is rooted in counsels of generosity and benevolence and its policies have historically been either neutral between capital and labor, creditors and debtors or, more often, leaned toward moderately privileging labor and debtors over capital and creditors. It is no coincidence that the two great political progenitors of Supply-Side economics, Rep. Jack Kemp and President Ronald Reagan had been presidents of labor unions before going on to political greatness. Supply-Side indicts misers and exalts benefactors.

To resolve the persistent economic misery besetting America and the world-pioneering economic visionaries Prof. Robert Mundell, who later received the Nobel Prize in economics for his work on optimal currency areas, and Dr. Arthur B. Laffer, who later received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Donald Trump, proposed to invert the conventional policy prescription of easy money and high marginal tax rates.

The new economic policy doctrine was set forth in the charter document of Supply-Side Economics, The Mundell-Laffer Hypothesis by Jude Wanniski, and Arthur Laffer, published in The Public Interest in the Spring 1975 issue.

The essence of their proposition, contained at page 49, was:

Since 1961, Mundell has argued that monetary and fiscal policies are totally distinct policy instruments that can be employed for separate purposes and even utilized in opposing directions.

Monetary policy is the appropriate instrument to maintain external balance; fiscal policy is the appropriate instrument to maintain external balance; fiscal policy is the appropriate instrument to maintain aggregate demand and internal balance. If the world economy has inflation and unemployment at the same time, the proper policy mix is tight money and fiscal ease. The latter should preferably take the form of tax reductions although Mundell agrees that government purchases of good (sic) and services will also have beneficial effects.

The vast bulk of this, the Supply-Side’s charter document, was devoted to monetary stability, fixed exchange rates, referencing, without quite prescribing, the classical gold standard. As a secondary matter it addressed the excessive marginal income tax rates – as nominally high as 70% for investment income — into which inflation had ambushed even the members of the middle class.

Footnote four of this article was devoted to what became known as the Laffer Curve, which came to the fore in the political discourse. Wanniski went on to add: “Laffer, who took the insight from his friend Mundell and refined it to embrace the effects of transfer payments, also argued the case in a memorandum to Treasury Secretary Simon”:

The best program to combat inflation simultaneously reduces money growth and increases real output growth. In order to increase real output growth, it is first necessary to focus

on why people, machines, land, and other factors of production choose to be employed. Secondly, it is necessary to focus on why firms choose to employ these productive factors. It is taken here as a simple truth that in part productive factors’ choice to work is based upon their ability to earn after-tax income. It is likewise taken as a virtually obvious proposition that the more an employer has to pay his factors of production the less he will want. Marginal taxes of all sorts stand as a wedge between what an employer pays his factors of production and what they ultimately receive in after-tax income.

The Mundell-Laffer Hypothesis challenged both the conservative conventional wisdom of “monetary and fiscal restraint” (i.e. tight money and high tax rates) to fight inflation and the liberal conventional wisdom of “monetary and fiscal ease” (i.e. easy money and lower tax rates) to combat recession. This heterodox proposition, violating the dogmas of both the right and left, was ridiculed and derided

by the Establishment. It was called by George H.W. Bush “Voodoo Economics” for its claim, among other things, that by cutting punitively high (e.g. 70%) marginal tax rates one could grow the tax base and thereby, over time, increase tax revenues. While it seemed counterintuitive that one could increase tax revenue by cutting rates it turned out to be correct.

And common sense. A government that taxes too heavily is akin to a company that charges prohibitive prices for its products. People will stop buying what is priced above its value and its purveyor’s revenue will wither. Or, as the oldest book of political and moral philosophy in the world, the Tao Te Ching, states:

Why are the people starving?

Because the rulers use up the money in taxes. Therefore the people are starving.

Why are the people rebellious? Because the rulers interfere too much. Therefore they are rebellious.

Notwithstanding the attendant establishment ridicule, presidential candidate Ronald Reagan embraced the Supply-Side policy formulation. In the process Reagan gained the presidential campaign endorsement of Rep. Kemp and the support of the Supply-Side “cabal.” And went on to beat the incumbent Jimmy Carter.

On the day in November 1979 that Reagan formally announced his presidential candidacy, the Dow Jones Industrial Average stood at 814. US real GDP was slightly below $2.9T.

The stable money policies called for by Mundell and Laffer were adopted by Fed Chairman Paul Volcker with Reagan’s political support.

The marginal rate cuts called for by Kemp, emulating Kennedy, under the guidance of, among others, Mundell and Laffer, Congress enacted the Kemp-Roth 30%-across-the board marginal tax rate cut (diluted in practice to 24%, and phased in rather than immediately adopted). Beneficially, Democratic officials in the Congress led the dropping of the top tax rate from 70% to 50%, and, then, again led by Democrats, to 28%.

Committee senior fellow Ralph Benko founded and led, followed by committee chairman Stephen Moore, the Prosperity Caucus in the 1980s and following years. Originally called “the gathering of the Supply-Side tribes” it was designed to coordinate the various free market policy thinkers and minimize factionalism. The group, still meeting regularly today, was thereafter led by Jim Lucier, Bob Stein, James Carter and Ike Bannon. Jonathan Decker, executive director of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity, currently is the chief organizer of the Supply-Side Capitalist League’s youth group and its monthly gathering..

President Bill Clinton later raised the top rate to 39.6%, much to the dismay of Supply-Siders. Dismay aside, such a raise did not prevent real GDP growth from growing at a real 4% rate. To his credit (and with due credit to the mercurial and entrepreneurial House Speaker Newt Gingrich in pushing these reforms), Clinton adopted the Supply-Side policies of welfare reform and cutting the capital gains tax rate. The good achieved by such policy innovations more than offset the damage done by raising the top marginal rate.

Over time, US GDP grew from $2.9T to about $20T in 2018. Meanwhile, with much of the world having adopted something very like the Supply-Side formula, world GDP rose from $11T in 1979 to $88T today.

Some Voodoo!

The Committee’s analysis concludes that there are five major factors needed to “unleash prosperity” and thereby, achieve “universal opulence.”

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2137 on: June 27, 2022, 02:45:24 PM »
Signed up-- even though they collect my data grrrrr.

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WT: High paying blue collar jobs going begging
« Reply #2138 on: June 28, 2022, 06:02:04 AM »
Blue-collar employers seek young recruits for high-paying jobs

BY SEAN SALAI THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Plumbers, truckers and pipe fitters are offering hiring and signing bonuses — and promoting their six-figure incomes — to entice high school graduates willing to do dirty jobs, but young people keep turning up their noses to blue-collar work.

Even the prospect of a $1,000-a-week starting salary that could double in six years isn’t persuading young people to get into plumbing, says Chris Robertson, who has worked as a plumber for 24 years in Rockville, Maryland.

“It requires you to work hard, and I think a good part of the younger generation wants to be rich without putting in the effort,” said Mr. Robertson, owner of Robertson Plumbing Services. “And I think that’s part of the problem. Why do I want to dig with a shovel when I can sit at home, post videos and become YouTube famous?”

He said he’s been looking for an assistant since his employee of four years quit in February to work for a bigger company that offered a signing bonus. And the job vacancy is forcing him to turn down jobs, he added.

“Every single plumber I know is busy and can use extra help,” he said.

Truckers also are hurting for help amid retirements, rising gasoline prices, a lack of mechanics and a semiconductor shortage that has added tens of thousands of dollars to the price tag of a new big rig. The trucking industry added 27,300 payroll jobs in April and May combined, according to the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

“It’s a nightmare, with all the truck drivers retiring,” said Ivan Isakovic, a trucker based in Florida who hauls tractors for John Deere.

The Serbia-born Mr. Isakovic says inflation is scaring off recruits, noting that truckers can take home $5,000 to $6,000 a month if all goes well. He’s now paying $1,200 to fill up the 200-gallon fuel tank of his aging big rig, and he worries about what repairs will cost if it breaks down.

“Right now, we’re barely covering the cost of fuel and maintenance. Some of my friends are clearing only $1,100 a week,” Mr. Isakovic said.

Unable to attract young people to blue-collar labor, some tradesmen are looking to former felons to fill job vacancies. Indeed Hiring Lab recently found that fair chance job listings open to ex-felons spiked by 31% from May 2019 to last month.

What’s more, a study from the nonprofit Rand Corp. in February found that more than half of unemployed men in their 30s have a criminal arrest record that otherwise would bar them from millions of openings in the labor shortage.

Meanwhile, trade groups are emphasizing the benefits of vocational education — onthe- job training, work security, high salaries, pension plans — to attract young people to apprenticeships.

“Graduates leave with ‘industry- recognized credentials’ and licenses within their field of study,” noted David Ferreira, a longtime vocational-technical high school science teacher and principal.

In the D.C. area, the Steamfi tters Local 602 is running ads on radio and social media that offer apprenticeships to anyone who will take them for sixfi gure jobs with good benefits and retirement plans.

The union’s business manager, Chris Madello, said the campaign generates “word-ofmouth” for pipefitting, pipewelding and pipe-building work.

“There isn’t a shortage of people trying to get into the profession, but there may be a shortage of people qualified to be top-level journeymen, and this campaign could help us attract better candidates,” Mr. Madello said.

So far, more than 600 people have applied since January. Those who graduate from the five-year apprenticeship will earn more than $100,000 a year and another $50,000 annually in benefits, the union said.

“There seems to be a renewed interest in apprenticeship because of the student loan crisis. You earn while you learn, you get an education and you don’t have any college debt,” said Lou Spencer, assistant business manager at the UA Local No. 5 Plumbers and Gasfitters that covers the Washington metro area. “What else could you want?”

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« Reply #2139 on: June 29, 2022, 08:12:41 AM »
Inflation: Reagan and Trump vs. Carter and Biden

The results of pro-economic growth, supply-side policies are clear

By Newt Gingrich

Americans suffering from rising prices and the highest inflation in 40 years need to demand the results Presidents Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump gave them. They need to reject the policy failures of Presidents Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden.

The difference in economic outcomes is not theory or an ideological or political position. The difference in everyday pocketbook results is a purely historic fact.

Big Government socialists (as I outline in my new book, “Defeating Big Government Socialism”) have to be reality deniers. As Theodore White warned back in 1972, liberal ideology has become a liberal theology. Ideologies can evolve. Theologies must be obeyed.

Washington Post columnist Catherine Rampell recently gave us a perfect example of left-wing reality denial when she wrote, “Republicans demagogue about President Biden’s supposed ‘war on fossil fuels’ and socialism. Neither party has a serious plan for dealing with inflation overall or gas prices specifically.”

Given the history of the Reagan and Trump administrations, it is hard to believe that a columnist at a major newspaper could be so misinformed about the real world.

Consider the facts of inflation first.

When Mr. Carter was in office, the inflation rate grew out of control. In fact, the inflation rate grew so high U.S.

Federal Reserve Chair Paul Volcker had to raise interest rates to high levels. Mr.

Carter’s destructive energy policies combined with a weak foreign policy led to so much inflation the Fed funds rate reached a peak of 20% in June 1981 (with the commercial prime rate reaching 21.5%).

Compare this with the 1.75% Fed funds rate and 4.75% prime rate today.

Of course, the big difference in interest rates is that Chair Jerome Powell and the Federal Reserve are well behind the curve in trying to slow down or stop inflation. Because Mr. Carter let things get so out of control, the unemployment rate grew to over 10% in the 1980-1982 recession.

Reagan backed Volcker’s anti-inflation policies but combined them with a tax cut and regulatory reform policy which increased the incentives to create American jobs and mop up the surplus money with new goods and services.

In effect, Reagan had endorsed the supply-side economics of Jack Kemp, Art Laffer, Jude Wanniski and Larry Kudlow. (I was a junior member of this band of revolutionary enthusiasts who believed you could beat inflation by mopping up the money supply with more goods and services.)

Mr. Kudlow a generation later would carry this doctrine into the Trump White House to profound effect.

The result of the Reagan supply-side policy was a dramatic decline in inflation and unemployment. Consider the facts of the historic record. Under Mr. Carter infl ation shot up from 6.3% in 1977 to a peak of 12.4% in 1980 (then Reagan defeated Mr. Carter by the largest electoral college margin against an incumbent president in modern history).

With Reagan’s leadership, the inflation rate dropped to 10.4% in 1981 and then averaged 4.4% for the rest of his two terms.

Unemployment followed the inflation rate down, and by 1988 was about half of what Reagan had inherited. The economy grew year after year, and Reagan ran for reelection in 1984 on the theme of “Morning in America.”

Mr. Trump inherited a healthier economy from President Barack Obama than Reagan got from Mr. Carter, but Mr. Trump promptly improved on Mr.

Obama’s record. Inflation rates were 1.8% in 2017, 2.1% in 2018, 2.2% in 2019, and 1.7% in 2020.

The sound, pro-economic growth, supply-side policies were reinforced by an American energy independence drive which dramatically increased American oil and gas production — and brought the price of gasoline down to $2.11 a gallon the week of the 2020 election.

Mr. Biden came in and promptly gave up on all the policies which had worked. Big Government socialism is anti-energy, anti-sound money, anti-small business, anti-investment and anti-job creation. The left’s words sound good, but the results of their policies are terrible.

Given the history of the Reagan and Trump years, Republicans can campaign with confidence this fall that they know how to bring down the cost of gasoline and diesel fuel, how to bring inflation under control, and how to encourage job creators in both big and small businesses to invest, invent and flourish.

Sorry, Rampell, your fantasy version of history is just wrong. Your promise that Republicans will be as dumb and destructive as Democrats are just historically inaccurate. A brief course on the economic and political history of the last 50 years might help you understand why Democrats fail on inflation and fuel prices and Republicans can campaign with confidence this fall

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Re: Newt Gingrich
« Reply #2140 on: June 29, 2022, 01:18:06 PM »
Great post from Newt.  Why do so few people (outside of the forum) know that.

The basics of economic policy are as simple (and irrefutable) as the law of gravity.  In a nutshell, incentives and disincentives matter.

People care widely, deeply and personally about the economy, yet 99+% of the discussion is about things, gender bathrooms, government giveaways, etc.

Follow up to what Newt said, it is because of Republican policies getting better results than Democrats that the media and Left must always point to something else.

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Political Economics, recession or no recession.
« Reply #2141 on: June 29, 2022, 01:46:07 PM »
Looks like recession to me.  Just what the policies ordered.

In terms of timing, we are just now seeing more accurate information for the first quarter of this year, and the revisions are all downward:
"US Personal Spending Is Revised Sharply Lower in First-Quarter Data"
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-personal-spending-revised-sharply-125806874.html

Second quarter ends tomorrow.  Expectations for the quarterly growth are around 0.0%.  If that comes in negative it means we are in a recession and have been since the first of the year.  If it comes in barely positive. it means revisions to it could come in just before the midterm elections making the Biden recession front and center.

Per the previous post it begs the question, what are they doing to spur economic growth?  Answer, nothing.  What are they doing to hinder economic growth?  Answer, everything.

Nothing other than adopt the pro-growth policies of their hated opponents will work for these people who hold Biden's puppet strings, and they aren't going to do that.

You don't need economists to declare when you're in a recession; people know.  Since the crash of 2008 and the  so-called great recession, Gallup shows that people had a negative view of the economy every minute since then with the exception of the exact period starting when Republican tax reform went into effect and ending when covid shutdowns hit.  Scroll right if necessary to see that:


Speaking of Newt and his analysis, Clinton had two Presidencies economically, his first two years with a Democratic House and Senate where he raised taxes and added regulations, then his last 6 years 'triangulating' with a Republican House and Senate where he cut capital gains rates and 'ended welfare as we know it'.  Funny thing happened, real wags grew 8 times faster in that second period.  Check those dates on the Gallup chart.  Lines up perfectly.

It's not the name or party on the door of the Oval Office; it's the policies, stupid.
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Political Economics, yes, this is the wrong direction!
« Reply #2142 on: June 30, 2022, 04:39:37 AM »
The media and the Left never admitted how good the economy was under Republican governance right up until covid, but those policies and results raise the bar for his successor . Now a return to Carter Biden misery is glaringly unacceptable.  (Ask Hispanics about it if my rich liberal suburban friends can't see it.) The following today is from AP.  80% of Democrats think this economy sucks. Can't they read the biased talking points, low unemployment rate etc.?  (Turns out, Democrats don't like rising crime rates either.)
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"An overwhelming and growing majority of Americans say the U.S. is heading in the wrong direction, including nearly 8 in 10 Democrats, according to a new poll that finds deep pessimism about the economy plaguing President Joe Biden. Eighty-five percent of U.S. adults say the country is on the wrong track, and 79% describe the economy as poor, according to a new survey from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. The findings suggest Biden faces fundamental challenges as he tries to motivate voters to cast ballots for Democrats in November’s midterm elections. " (Sources: apnews.com, apnorc.org)
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Those two in 10 Democrats can fight until the death, literally, over abortion while the rest notice gas prices going up faster than paychecks. There is a lot right with this economy but none of that matters when you can't buy anything.

Work all day and watch net worth go down.

Trump proved that Obama Biden were wrong, this is not the new normal. Decline is a choice. Stop choosing it!
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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2143 on: June 30, 2022, 05:17:33 AM »
From a recent CTUP Newsletter, our own Scott Grannis gets a mention:

"What Do You Know: Runaway Spending Caused Bidenflation
One of our favorite financial analysts, Scott Grannis, has been tracking the growth of the monetary base since the start of the pandemic.

The charts below show that almost all of the excess spending – some $4.6 trillion over the past 30 months – was monetized. In other words, we paid for the spending almost exclusively by the Fed printing money.

Is it any surprise that inflation hit a near 40-year high this year with all the pandemic spending in 2000 under Trump and then Biden’s $3 trillion of added spending?

Biden denies that his spending blitz led to inflation, but these pictures show fairly conclusively the relationship between massive debt spending and the tidal wave of higher prices.

The good news is that because the absurd Build Back Better appears dead (notwithstanding Manchin's latest lovefest in Davos), spending is starting to decelerate and this should mean somewhat lower inflation in the months ahead. But we are still looking at between 4 and 6% inflation over the next year – at least.
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Political Economics, Month 7 of the Biden Recession Started Today
« Reply #2144 on: July 01, 2022, 08:43:12 PM »
I'll say it if no one else will.  Where did we just hear that these economic estimates get revised downward regularly - and today we find out the feared recession is already on?

These are not the final or official numbers but the source is the Atlanta Fed looking at real US economic data:

https://www.atlantafed.org/cqer/research/gdpnow

Latest estimate: -2.1 percent — July 1, 2022
The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the second quarter of 2022 is -2.1 percent on July 1, down from -1.0 percent on June 30. After this morning's Manufacturing ISM Report On Business from the Institute for Supply Management and the construction report from the US Census Bureau, the nowcasts of second-quarter real personal consumption expenditures growth and real gross private domestic investment growth decreased from 1.7 percent and -13.2 percent, respectively, to 0.8 percent and -15.2 percent, respectively.

ECONOMIC DECLINE IS A CHOICE.  I warn and warn and warn my Biden voting friends (and family), these policies lead to economic decline, but nobody listens.

Stock Market and your retirement funds?  Worst first 6 months in the market of any year in 52 years

Record spending, double digit inflation, record drop in productivity (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/05/labor-productivity-fell-7point5percent-in-the-first-quarter-the-fastest-rate-since-1947.html), declining real wages, declining GDP (national income), record high energy prices, record high food prices, no fertilizer, food shortages projected to worsen...

They won't change course.  They could lose 60 seats in the House... AND THEY STILL WON'T CHANGE COURSE!

The productivity collapse in the US is Vladimir Putin's fault?  No.  It started the first hour Joe Biden and his puppetmasters walked into the Oval Office.



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« Reply #2149 on: July 02, 2022, 08:20:13 AM »
"FaceHugger is evil. We want it bankrupt."

I agree.  I was calling Google and Facebook evil for a very long time, on a whim, and facts keep proving that assessment accurate.