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DougMacG

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Argentina votes for more inflation
« Reply #2351 on: October 24, 2023, 06:28:04 AM »
https://apnews.com/article/argentina-election-milei-massa-vote-bullrich-cead0d423f2e51444b48770af618940b

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/its-time-to-dump-the-peso-and-dollarize-argentina/

There is still a runoff, but
250% inflation and people still vote for more of the same.

Decline is a choice. In this case, staying in decline is a choice.

It's hard to believe there are economic policies worse than ours - all over the world.

The idea that it can't happen here is ludicrous
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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2352 on: October 24, 2023, 02:21:50 PM »
Scott Grannis will be bummed. 


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inflation up again
« Reply #2354 on: October 27, 2023, 08:03:35 AM »
I will first point out I am not good in economics

but my logic

GDP was reportedly above expectations a few days ago

Due to increase in consumer spending

but would this not be due to prices going up so of course consumer spending is up

debt is also going up to buttress consumer spending

perhaps this analysis if for economics for "dummies"

but it seems like a logical connecting the dots

bottom line we are in deep doodoo.


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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2355 on: October 27, 2023, 08:22:18 AM »
What do you mean, not good at economics, you got it exactly right! We are in deep doo doo.

I believe Crafty (correctly) argued in the past for higher interest rates because of the distortion in the market toward debt and away from savings. But these mistakes have consequences. Now with all the excess spending and the inflation (and higher interest rates) it caused, the savings rate is collapsing right while the interest rates are rising. The savings rate is collapsing while credit card debt is exploding because people can't afford to live you in these circumstances.
https://confoundedinterest.net/2023/10/27/bidenomics-at-work-savings-rate-plunges-as-spending-soars-inflation-slows-as-govt-wage-growth-nears-record-high-commercial-office-delinquencie-on-the-rise-san-francisco-soars-to-30-4-in-q3/

The average interest rate on credit card debt in the United States is 21% right now. How are people going to ever get out from under that debt?
https://money.usnews.com/credit-cards/articles/what-is-apr-understanding-credit-card-interest-rates#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Federal%20Reserve,be%20lower%20than%20the%20average.

What have they done locally to address the High Cost of Living? Added 1% to the sales tax ( that's a double digit increase) for the metropolitan area here to help finance the light rail boondoggle overruns that no one wants and no one rides.
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/1-sales-tax-increase-in-metro-area-goes-into-effect-sunday/

At the height of the high interest rates I pulled money out of the market and into insured savings. Now instead of adding to my savings I made a significant withdrawal to cover escalating costs and the outrageous property taxes that include properties I leave vacant for other bad tax and regulatory reasons.

Bad economic policies lead to bad business decisions.

Free(r) market policies allow assets to move freely to their most productive use.  We've gotten so far away from that that no one knows how to turn back.
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Demand side economics
« Reply #2356 on: October 27, 2023, 08:47:38 AM »
Consumer spending is up? GDP is up? But meanwhile credit card debt is up, real wages are down, savings rate is negative.

I guess that is the success of Bidenomics. But Bidenomics is wrong and supply-side economics is right, in my experience looking at this.  Anyone can see this trend is unsustainable.

What we want is production up, new business starts up, savings rate up , business investment up, new home starts up. workforce participation rate up, number of people needing assistance down.

Everything that the ruling party is doing for us right now is exactly wrong, and inflation, stagnation, growing dependency , unsustainability are the consequences.

More working age males don't work and aren't looking for work than ever in our nation's history. Why is that.
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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2357 on: October 27, 2023, 09:35:38 AM »
"GDP was reportedly above expectations a few days ago

Due to increase in consumer spending"

IIRC Kudlow said GDP growth was 1/3 due to increase in inventory.

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2358 on: October 27, 2023, 10:27:10 AM »
GDP rises: Third-quarter GDP numbers released by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis on Thursday came in higher than the expected 4.3%, rising to 4.9%. While that number looks like an indication of strong economic growth, the economy is not entirely healthy. Job Creators President Alfredo Ortiz called the number a "mirage created by unprecedented deficit spending." Ron DeSantis also weighed in: "Today's GDP numbers are reflective of the wider Biden economy — inflated. Much of last quarter's growth was driven by unsustainable government spending and monetary policy. In reality, consumer confidence is falling, inflation is still nearly double the average of the last 30 years, our oil reserves are at a 40-year low, auto loan delinquencies and credit card debt are near all-time highs, and more Americans are forced to take on multiple jobs to cover basic expenses. Bidenflation is killing the average American's bottom line, and things will only get worse in the months ahead as credit dries up and gas prices increase even further because of Biden's anti-energy policies."

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2359 on: October 27, 2023, 10:52:20 AM »
Excellent response by DeSantis.

Strong GDP growth is what we want, but this isn't right and everyone knows it.

Just like the unemployment percentage tells us nothing now, we will need a GDP measure for private sector only. Public sector growth is not a good thing.

If everything was truly going swimmingly, wouldn't we need smaller government checks written to fewer and fewer people?

That is apparently not the case. More and more people rely on the government for more and more things. Oops, that was the plan.

On this path, pretty soon nearly everyone will be riding on the wagon and no one pulling it. Everyone eating from the trough, no one filling it.

Too bad we don't have real debates among the major players.
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Consumer (voter) confidence dips further
« Reply #2360 on: October 31, 2023, 11:34:16 AM »
https://themessenger.com/business/consumer-confidence-october-conference-board-economy-recession

I didn't know there was further to dip. I just heard Kamala say things are great and Joe doesn't get enough credit.

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Larry Sumners sounds deficit alarm
« Reply #2361 on: November 01, 2023, 09:37:38 AM »
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-fiscal-deficit-a-more-serious-problem-than-ever-before-says-larry-summers-055d8cbc

and worse Janet Yellen and Jerome Powell still in charge

no shame , no responsibility , no accountability.

what's new.

reminds me of Dodd and Franken.............


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Bureau of Labor Statistics competes for Nobel prize for fictoon
« Reply #2362 on: November 04, 2023, 04:02:40 AM »
https://healthy-skeptic.com/2023/11/03/ooops-the-labor-statistics-mirages-comes-to-a-crashing-halt/

How do you have downward revisions of past months, fine print, of 62,000 jobs?  Somebody counted wrong? And why is the benchmark "expectations"?

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2363 on: November 04, 2023, 04:25:03 AM »
" why is the benchmark "expectations"?"

Because that is what markets reflect until the moment the report(s) come out.

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Political Economics, You cannot lie to people about what's in their bank account
« Reply #2364 on: November 07, 2023, 07:18:26 AM »
Bidenomics, the honeymoon is over.

Instapundit: Rape usually doesn't come with a honeymoon.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/11/05/the-press-turn-on-bidenomics-n2165927

(Doug). I'm tired of hearing that Joe Biden is old. These policies are old.

Who on the Democrat side is going to run against them?

Policies have consequences. You can't be this stupid for this long and not pay a high price for it.

There is no easy way out of this but rule one for being in a hole is stop digging.

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2365 on: November 07, 2023, 08:42:59 AM »
From Doug's article above:

 "Bidenomics"...lol

Some staffer actually thought, "Hey, let's just name all these price increases and high-interest rates after the president." Brilliant job


Great point. I thought this too.
This might do well making this point part of the campaign




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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2366 on: November 08, 2023, 08:08:14 PM »
The team we can't seem to beat:

Commercial Real Estate Time Bomb: Occupancy Falls, Delinquencies Rise
https://themessenger.com/business/commercial-real-estate-prices-could-sharply-fall-feds-lisa-cook-warns

WeWork's Bankruptcy Will Make the Office Vacancy Problem Worse
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/business/wework-bankruptcy-offices-real-estate/index.html

Credit Card Balances Spiked in Q3 Amid Signs of Financial Stress
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/economy/household-debt-credit-card-delinquencies-q3/index.html

It isn't that the crowd can't shoot straight.  They aim for failure and hit nothing but bullseye.

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Biden campaign official says one term not enough to fix economy
« Reply #2367 on: November 12, 2023, 06:56:30 PM »
Biden campaign official says one term not enough to fix financial woes

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-campaign-cites-maga-extremism-for-job-woes-argues-president-needs-another-term-for-improvements

Umm, it was 12 years for this group and they aren't trying to fix anything. Aren't they trying to tear it down - America as we once knew it.

They couldn't be more clear, make America great again is what they fight hardest against - more so than Islamic Jihad,  the southern border invasion, Chinese totalitarianism or anything else.
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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2368 on: November 13, 2023, 05:50:02 AM »
Jay Cost at Washington Examiner below.

(Doug). They are selling us the second derivative to an electorate that won't do basic arithmetic.  The rate of change to the rate of change of prices is falling (slightly from record highs).  Translated to English this means cost of living is still rising at the fastest rate in memory, still rising faster than incomes.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/beating-biden-democrats-panic

"... why people remain frustrated. The inflation rate is not like the unemployment rate. When the unemployment rate decreases, that means a smaller percentage of workers are without jobs. When the inflation rate decreases, it does not mean prices have fallen, only that their rate of increase has slowed. Prices for goods and services are still rising, just not as quickly as they were a year ago. It must be remembered that the lower increases are coming off the backs of large jumps in prices, so it makes sense that consumers would still be reeling. Moreover, the sharp increase in interest rates has made it harder to get the credit needed to buy a car or a home — little wonder why young voters, those looking to start out in life, are so unhappy with Biden."

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2369 on: November 13, 2023, 06:28:47 AM »
there is some talk the dollar is doomed to devalue a lot.  And Fed knows it, but playing silent.

I don't know enough to comment further.

Anyone else hearing any mumblings about this?

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2370 on: November 13, 2023, 06:50:02 AM »
I underline my point that some prices increases are exactly that-- price increases. 

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2371 on: November 13, 2023, 07:32:23 AM »
I underline my point that some prices increases are exactly that-- price increases.

Fair enough and 100% true as stated, but in the context of voter disapproval and political economics, I believe we are talking about the whole mix of prices a person faces for the things they want and need throughout the year.

Some of these are up for monetary reasons, some are up for regulatory reasons, some are up for taxation reasons, some are up for trade policy reasons, and some (or all) fluctuate with market supply and demand conditions.  But prices are up.

We can rejoice if eggs that skyrocketed to $4 and $6 per dozen in a supply shortage can now be bought for $1, (while beef stays sky high) but weren't eggs 10 cents per dozen in our grandfather's time?

People can argue about measurement methods for Consumer Price Index and Cost of lLving Adjustments, CPI and COLAs, but no voter can really argue that general price level increases didn't TRIPLE the rate of increase under Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and the Democrats with reckless, runaway spending combined with their all-out assault on production and distribution.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/colaseries.html

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

https://babylonbee.com/news/thousands-already-lined-up-for-black-friday-after-grocery-store-offers-prices-from-when-trump-was-president
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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2372 on: November 13, 2023, 01:46:35 PM »
Agreed, but serious policy errors result when price increases from supply issues are called inflation.

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2373 on: November 14, 2023, 06:15:49 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/business/entrepreneurship/with-interest-rates-above-9-small-businesses-slam-the-brakes-4944a075?mod=hp_lead_pos3

WSJ: With Interest Rates Above 9%, Small Businesses Slam the Brakes

(Doug). Credit card interest rates above 24% will very soon catch up with consumers.

(Definition of unsustainable)  Economic forecast is not more of the same.

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2374 on: November 14, 2023, 08:03:34 AM »
30 year rates peaked at 5.1% and now are down to , , , 4.7%?

VIX peaked in the low 20s.  In the high 13s this morning.

Oil from mid 80s to mid 70s.

Market up.

Why are these things so?

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2375 on: November 14, 2023, 09:23:36 AM »
30 year rates peaked at 5.1% and now are down to , , , 4.7%?

VIX peaked in the low 20s.  In the high 13s this morning.

Oil from mid 80s to mid 70s.

Market up.

Why are these things so?

I also saw something about empty oil tankers coming to America to fill for export.  Surprises me.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-06/a-record-number-of-supertankers-is-headed-to-collect-us-oil

Please explain VIX (options volatility index) importance to the layman, it's not something I have followed.

Oil price down I assume is from weak demand at home and worldwide.  Also the Biden price spikes ironically may have spurred production even in the face of hostile regulations.

I have followed the 10 year Treasures a bit, not the 30, but that aside, 4.7% for re-issuance of debt and for issuance of new debt still means a tripling and more of the cost of debt service going forward, if I understand that correctly. Means the likely year of the next balanced budget is either never or post-collapse.

Market up?  With due respect sounds like weather versus climate.  Market up from lows but not up from when Biden policies started to take effect. Even then, as I pointed to in Obama sluggish years, Dow, Nasdaq and S&P are all indices of very large companies, and are generally skewed by a few giant ones.  Even "small cap stocks" are companies up to $2 billion in value, doesn't tell you how the rest of us are doing.

Here's another 'market', not up, office vacancy rate is well into the double digits in every major city, 34% in once great San Fran for example.
https://www.cbre.com/insights/figures/san-francisco-office-figures-q3-2023#:~:text=The%20San%20Francisco%20office%20market,%2C%20full%2Dservice%20gross%20basis.

It's not just owners that lose their shirt.  Cities, banks (and nations?) potentially collapse.

It's not just commercial property, worst housing affordability since Jimmy Carter.
https://www.livenowfox.com/news/home-affordability-worst-in-nearly-40-years-study-real-estate.amp

What happens after things aren't affordable?
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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2376 on: November 14, 2023, 10:45:51 AM »
"Please explain VIX (options volatility index) importance to the layman, it's not something I have followed."

As one layman to another, I would describe it as a measure of the market's proclivity to volatility.

"Oil price down I assume is from weak demand at home and worldwide.  Also the Biden price spikes ironically may have spurred production even in the face of hostile regulations."

I have seen uncontested assertions by Dems that our oil production is at an all-time high.  Not what I expected!  I gather that "our" response is that it would be much higher but for Biden's policies.

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2377 on: November 14, 2023, 03:06:24 PM »
Yes, production would be higher and prices would be lower.  Hard to prove except to compare with Trump years. There is the oil price, gallon of gas price and natural gas prices. For gas at the pump, it is down recently but seems to me 50% higher than in the Trump years. A helluva tax on the economy affecting all other sectors.

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2378 on: November 15, 2023, 11:27:46 AM »
"new poll by the Financial Times and the University of Michigan finds that 14% of Americans believe they are better off financially now than when Biden took office.

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“Controligarchs”
« Reply #2379 on: November 15, 2023, 06:38:37 PM »

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2380 on: November 15, 2023, 07:07:43 PM »
yup

tell all the peasants how to live and all the while scheme to profit from their agendas the whole time.

OTOH Gates does give a lot away for good causes so it is a mixed bag for him.


Buffett gave his money to Gates to give away.

I am not clear they are using to bribe Democrats directly though, like Soros or Zuckerberg but many of their agendas correlate with the DNC



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Controligarchs
« Reply #2381 on: November 16, 2023, 06:50:41 AM »
Controligarchs”
« Reply #2379 on: November 15, 2023, 09:38:37 PM »
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I like the title of this book that takes various rich folk with savior complexes that conveniently also further line their pockets to task:

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I like this A LOT and will be playing it forward in my articulations.

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Bidenomics = Reckless Endangerment
« Reply #2382 on: November 17, 2023, 11:15:02 AM »
https://issuesinsights.com/2023/11/17/two-words-describe-bidens-presidency-reckless-endangerment/

Government net interest payments – up 77% from a year ago and up 153% from two years ago.

The Treasury projects that gross interest payments will top $1 trillion this fiscal year.

For four months in a row – and 27 out of the past 31 months – worker wages failed to keep pace with Bidenflation. As a result, real wages today are more than 3% below when Biden took office. That, combined with rising interest rates, is costing the average family $7,400 a year, according to economist E.J. Antoni.

Also this week, the Customs and Border Protection agency reported that more than 300,000 migrants entered the U.S. illegally in October, the most ever for that month. There were also 13 arrests of people on the terror watchlist last month. Remember, none of these numbers includes “got-aways” – those who purposely avoided “encounters” with border patrol agents.

A congressional report came out putting an annual price tag on this flood of illegals – $451 billion!


(Doug)  Interest payments (far) more than doubled in two years!  Real wages are still down!  The flood across our southern border is costing us a half trillion a year!  Why are we roughly even in the polls?  Can't we get candidates with clear messages?


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“Ponzi Economics”
« Reply #2383 on: November 17, 2023, 08:33:46 PM »
Why allow failure to ebb and flow over time when politicians pretending to be protecting our interests can cause things to crash and burn catastrophically?

https://www.samizdata.net/2023/11/samizdata-quote-of-the-day-a-further-exploration-of-ponzi-economics/

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40% of all personal income tax pays only interest on the debt
« Reply #2384 on: November 22, 2023, 09:11:13 AM »
40% of all personal income tax pays only interest on the debt debt from prior excess spending.

https://confoundedinterest.net/2023/11/22/fiscal-inferno-40-of-personal-income-taxes-going-towards-interest-on-staggering-national-debt-unfunded-entitlements-now-6-27-times-the-current-debt-level-of-33-75-trillion/

Where have we heard a variation of this?

Missing in that data is that this is only getting worse.

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84% say Bidenomics has hurt them
« Reply #2385 on: November 26, 2023, 07:34:38 AM »
 84% of likely voters say Bidenomics has hurt them.

My question, who are these other 16%, they live underground in Hamas like tunnels and haven't come up yet to replenish supplies? They are from the pro-inflation wing of the Democrat Party?  Good that they're out there so we have someone to run against.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/trump-lead-grows-as-84-say-bidenomics-hurting-them

We were searching for 60-40 issues that favor us and suddenly we see one of several elephants in the room, this one an 84-16 issue jumps to front and center.

But once they realize it's the wasteful spending stupid and it needs to stop, the wasteful spending people are going to scream bloody murder, literally, and the division goes on.
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Re: bEdInOmIcS
« Reply #2387 on: November 26, 2023, 02:25:26 PM »
We used Bidenomics right away, tying those policies to these results.  It started with energy prices going up once the winner was declared, in anticipation of his policies.

When excess spending exploded and led to massive inflation, "all of us knew", you couldn't help but call the disaster Bidenomics.

Then one day the Biden, Yellen, Krugman et Al decided to embrace the term and persuade the unwashed they were wrong, it's really a great economy.


As ccp says, dumb move.  But what else could they do?

Pres Clinton triangulated, but that was after two years, not four. Ironically, losing Congress saved his reelection, gave him cover to contain spending and cut capital gains rates.

More spend, tax, regulate for Biden isn't going to bring a better result than the first 3 years of it, and a head fake doesn't seal the border or reverse the 4 Nebraskas he already let in.

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WSJ: Gramm: Measuring poverty
« Reply #2388 on: December 06, 2023, 04:09:20 AM »
Another Wrong Way to Measure Poverty
The real rate is 2.5%, but the Census Bureau inflates it by excluding most social-welfare benefits.
By Phil Gramm and John Early
Dec. 5, 2023 6:33 pm ET


The credibility of the Census Bureau’s official measure of poverty didn’t survive the pandemic. Though government payments for social benefits rose by $1.5 trillion, or 47%, between 2019 and 2021, they didn’t dent the official poverty rate. The rate rose to 11.6% from 10.5%. President Biden claimed that the pandemic increase in the refundable child tax credit would cut child poverty in half, but the subsequent official census rate rose from 14.4% to 15.3%. These results were predictable because the official poverty measure fails to count 88 social benefits that low-income Americans receive from the government as part of their income, including almost all of the pandemic benefits.

With the official poverty measure discredited, the Biden administration is pushing the experimental Supplemental Poverty Measure, which counts about half of the social benefit payments as income but redefines the income thresholds that determine who is counted as poor in a way that ensures the poverty threshold rises as median income rises. The official poverty measure has hardly changed for more than 50 years, even as social benefit payments to the average household in the bottom 20% of income earners have risen from $9,700 to $45,000 in inflation-adjusted dollars, because most of these payments simply aren’t counted as income to the recipients.

To address the public incredulity and embarrassment arising from its preposterous official measure of poverty, the Census Bureau began highlighting the Supplemental Poverty Measure by publishing it in the same press release along with the official measure. This newer measure, which counts refundable tax credits and other pandemic benefits as income, produced a poverty rate that declined from 11.7% in 2019 to 7.8% in 2021 and the politically desired effect of reducing child poverty from 12.6% to 5.2% over that period.

The fatal flaw of the official poverty measure is that it doesn’t count most government subsidies, such as Treasury checks beneficiaries receive from refundable tax credits, debit cards loaded with food-stamp allowances, and Medicaid payments as income to the recipients. When all benefits are counted, the percentage of Americans living in poverty falls to only 2.5%. Bruce Meyer of the University of Chicago and James Sullivan of the University of Notre Dame arrived at a similar figure by comparing the actual goods and services consumed by poor households in 1980 with the actual level of consumption of households that were being counted as poor in 2017. They found that only 2.8% of households in 2017 were consuming at or below the actual poverty consumption level. These findings also comport with the Census American Housing Survey, which has found that 42% of poor households own homes with an average of three bedrooms, 1½ bathrooms, a garage and a porch or patio. The average poor American family lives in a home larger than the average home of middle-income families in France, Germany and the U.K., and 80% of poor American households have air conditioning.

Although the Supplemental Poverty Measure counts more government benefits as income than the official measure, it defines poverty in relative terms so that it rises as median income rises. The Census Bureau defines the official poverty measure as “the inability to satisfy minimum needs.” By that definition, “the poor are those whose resources—their income from all sources, together with their asset holdings—are inadequate.” The thresholds used in the official measure are the cost of a defined quantity of goods and services required by a specific size and type of family to satisfy its minimum needs. The thresholds have been adjusted for inflation, increasing in current dollars by 776% since 1967, but the definition hasn’t changed.

The Supplemental Poverty Measure defines the poverty threshold in relative terms as the amount of income necessary to purchase 83% of the median family’s consumption of food, apparel, shelter and utilities plus an additional 20% of that total for other smaller necessities. Under this relative definition, no matter how much the median household spends on food, apparel and other necessities and no matter how luxurious those items might be, members of families that don’t have enough income to pay for that percentage of median household consumption will always be counted as poor, no matter how well off they are.

Since its inception in 1999, the supplemental poverty thresholds have risen by 42% more than the official poverty thresholds and about the same amount as median income simply because median households have bought more and higher-quality items in categories defined by the Census Bureau as necessities. Adopting the Supplemental Poverty Measure as the official measure would assure that economic growth that raises the level of income and consumption across the entire economy wouldn’t significantly reduce the poverty rate. It would decline significantly only with additional income redistribution. The American Enterprise Institute’s Kevin Corinth has shown that adopting the supplemental measure as the qualification standard for welfare payments alone would add more than three million households to the welfare rolls and increase federal welfare payments by more than $124 billion over the next 10 years.

When will Congress end this charade and demand that the Census Bureau give the nation an accurate measure of poverty? At what point does bureaucratic and political bias become fraud when it raises government spending by hundreds of billions of dollars and causes millions to leave the workforce?

Mr. Gramm is a former chairman of the Senate Banking Committee and a nonresident senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Mr. Early served twice as assistant commissioner at the Bureau of Labor Statistics and is an adjunct scholar to the Cato Institute. They are co-authors with Robert Ekelund of “The Myth of American Inequality.”

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« Reply #2389 on: December 17, 2023, 06:00:37 AM »
I used to do this work, respond point by point to people like this,. Now I don't want to give them a click of attention in hopes they will go away.

To paraphrase the start, Paul Krugman is either stupid or dishonest.  As a past Nobel winner we can rule out the former.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/12/paul_krugman_explains_economics_for_us_hysterical_conservatives.html

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This is how Krugman approaches economics
« Reply #2390 on: December 17, 2023, 10:06:42 AM »
Let me look at the data and find anything somewhere that will kind of support my DNC case
and then ignore everything else:

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AwrNZzKdN39l8EIvtidXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj?p=huge+page+full+of+data+image&fr=mcafee#id=45&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expertsystem.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F05%2FBig-Data-World-Post.jpg&action=click

This will allow the Dems and MSM to use my credentials , "a noble laureate" says the economy is good and we do not understand why so many people do not understand.

They are uninformed and we need to message better.....

me:
WATCH THE DATA for manipulation ! repeat ad nauseum this thought every time anyone talks about the "data"

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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2391 on: December 19, 2023, 05:16:34 AM »
A pretty good article on the outlook for the economy.  We keep seeing mixed indicators.

Recession yes or no?  The forecast is nuanced.

https://www.ft.com/content/5fe28c71-005b-4772-bfc5-08f39d61d88e?segmentId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9


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Re: Political Economics
« Reply #2392 on: December 19, 2023, 06:11:03 AM »
can't see
pay wall
can we move these pay walls to the Southern border  :wink:

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« Reply #2393 on: December 19, 2023, 07:18:54 AM »
There are a lot of mixed indicators out there.  From the article:

We tend to think about the economy in binary terms. Recession: yes or no? Will markets be up or down? Will interest rates rise or fall? The answer to the latter question, at least in the US, appears to be “fall,” as the Federal Reserve held rates steady during its meeting last week while hinting that we could see as many as three rate cuts next year. That has, of course, buoyed stock markets, which have gone long on the soft landing story. But economic reality in 2024 is likely to be far less binary, and much more nuanced, than many market participants and policymakers believe.

There are three reasons for this. The first and most obvious is that the pandemic and the policy response to it has made it very difficult to predict where the US and global economy will be based on old models. Employment, wages and other key metrics are refusing to follow historic trends in many places. Second, decoupling and the rise of industrial policy have introduced a new dynamic into fiscal policy and trade relations — one that will continue to play out no matter who wins the US presidential election next year.

And third, there is an ongoing interest rate arbitrage affecting business and consumers that still has years to run. Yes, rates are now far higher than they have been for several decades, and even if we get some cuts in 2024, that will still be the case. But many borrowers locked in cheap financing before inflation hit and rates rose. Those costs will reset over time, not all at once, which means we may see more slow moving, unpredictable disruptions, rather than a single big event.

Take the first issue, namely that of the pandemic and the massive fiscal stimulus that followed. On the one hand, the fact that Covid savings, particularly in the US, have been largely spent down from their peak, coupled with somewhat slower job growth, validates the idea that we could see less inflation and a slightly weaker economy in 2024.

But on the other, as JPMorgan chief executive Jamie Dimon pointed out last month, the push for re-industrialisation and energy security that has followed the pandemic and Russia’s war in Ukraine is inherently inflationary. “I think quantitative easing and tightening and these geopolitical issues can bite,” he said at the New York Times’ DealBook Summit, where he warned that both higher inflation and recession were still possibilities.

Add to this the fact that the pandemic and its responses weren’t synchronised, as monetary and fiscal policy were after, say, the financial crisis of 2008, and you simply have a much more complicated global environment for accurate policymaking. For years, asset classes and geographies moved in lockstep. Now, that’s changing, and will likely change more as central bankers in different regions take different decisions.

Investors are certainly swooning over Fed chair Jay Powell’s recent messaging about rates, but should they? The Dow and the S&P 500, not to mention the Nasdaq, are wildly overvalued by numerous metrics, as we all know.

Furthermore, there are unpredictable political risks looming on the horizon right now, including two hot wars in Ukraine and Gaza, as well as the possibility of more trade and tariff tensions in the year ahead. I wouldn’t be at all surprised, for example, to see difficulties erupt between both the US and China, and Europe and China, around things such as steel, EVs, clean tech or rare earth minerals.

The problem is that all these regions are trying to produce more goods locally right now. Long term, that’s a good thing, because we need more diversified and resilient supply chains, as well as a lot more clean technology at scale. But there’s little doubt that it is inflationary in the short to medium term.

China is desperately trying to expand its own global manufacturing footprint as a way of both hedging against further western decoupling and mitigating the slowdown from its housing crisis. That raises the risk that we will see China flooding global markets with more cheap goods. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen made it clear at a recent meeting in Beijing that she was concerned about such Chinese product dumping.

We will hear the same in the US in the coming year in advance of the presidential election. In the past, the US and EU might simply have hoovered up low cost Chinese items and let jobs and investment dollars in key sectors go elsewhere. That is no longer a political possibility. If I had to make one firm bet for 2024, it would be that we are about to enter an even thornier global trade environment.

The final reason the year ahead will be difficult to predict is that the shift in interest rates and the ramifications for both consumer and companies won’t be felt all at once. Instead it will become clear over time. As I’ve written in the past, the fact that mortgage rates are now near 8 per cent in the US has not had the predicted impact on housing prices because so many owners locked into lower rates over the past 15 years. There will be a reckoning as those reset. But it will happen over the course of years, possibly at unexpected moments.

The same goes for companies. We were supposed to see massive corporate defaults this year, but we didn’t get the tsunami that was predicted. That’s because many big companies locked in cheap funding before rates began to rise. Maybe they’ll fall again in 2024. But even if that happens, the results won’t be binary.

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As the population grows, everything economic grows... Oops
« Reply #2394 on: December 30, 2023, 10:27:19 AM »
As the population grows, everything economic grows...  Oops

Except 4600 stores closed in just the last year under Biden:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/retailers-closed-4600-stores-chains-with-the-most-closures/

'Everything is going swimmingly'

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« Reply #2396 on: January 03, 2024, 06:27:23 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/economy/jobs/finding-a-new-job-is-getting-harder-499dcf8e?mod=hp_lead_pos6

Employers finished 2023 with far fewer open positions than at the start of the year, according to private-sector estimates, as businesses filled more jobs and decided not to hire for others.

Total job postings as of the end of 2023 declined more than 15% from a year earlier, according to data from job-listing site Indeed through Dec. 29.

“The era of this frantic labor shortage [is] behind us,” Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell said in December. He listed a variety of indicators showing the labor market had come back into balance: numbers of job openings, labor-force participation rates and the rate at which workers are quitting jobs.

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« Reply #2397 on: January 05, 2024, 12:45:57 AM »
Certainly a biased source, but they do well support their conclusions:

https://nam.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/NAM-3731-Crains-Study-R3-V2-FIN.pdf

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50% of credit card holders carrying debt at average 21% interest
« Reply #2398 on: January 09, 2024, 06:24:13 AM »
Change in credit card debt is a true economic indicator, and the sharp increase lately is due to the results of the Biden/Dem policies, namely the new, high cost of living.  Unless you're a federal worker, you didn't keep up with inflation.

At 21-22% interest, you would pay off the credit card statement balance every month if you could, and 49% are not!

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/more-americans-are-racking-up-credit-card-debt

That's a LOT of insolvent people out there.

The party that talks sustainability is not talking about this unsustainability in their cherry picked economic points.  They say people are still spending but people can't pay when the bill comes due, and that has an ending to it.  Think of that next time you hear Obama tell Biden to tell America how great the economy is.   

Maybe they see people buried in debt as their target market, iin need of government services, and it's expanding rapidly!

By the way, the whole credit card system is corrupt and inefficient, IMHO.
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« Reply #2399 on: January 24, 2024, 09:02:59 PM »
Piece noting inflation total during the Biden admin, and points out a semantic trick being used to make continued bad news sound like an improvement:

https://pjmedia.com/catherinesalgado/2024/01/24/prices-up-176-since-joe-biden-took-office-n4925806