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G M

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Re: Libertarian Issues
« Reply #350 on: November 08, 2013, 06:00:52 AM »
The Laffer curve still applies.

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Libertarian Issues: Michelle Malken's visit to the (Pueblo Colo) pot shop
« Reply #351 on: March 27, 2014, 12:44:50 PM »
Good story:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/03/26/my_trip_to_the_pot_shop_122062.html

My contacts on the ground in Colo tell me the recent legalization of recreational and tourist purchasing has completely screwed up the pricing for the medical license holders.  It is taxed differently but the exact same supplies serve both markets.




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Re: Libertarian Issues
« Reply #355 on: June 04, 2016, 07:21:41 PM »
I left the party when I discovered a NAMBLA plank in the CA party platform.

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Re: Denver moves to end the war on public sh*tting!
« Reply #358 on: June 13, 2017, 01:20:50 PM »
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/denver-decriminalizes-public-defecation-make-life-easier-migrants-homeless#.WSiTX7O6P_8.twitter

Legalize it!

This is serious business.  Is the city or country now in charge of restrooms - as a right?

I watched an inner city McDonalds security guard refuse restroom access to a youth where it is clearly marked no use without purchase and the kid had no money.  I felt sorry for the kid.  One could only guess what was going to happen next, out back.

Forgive the bad analogy but with pets in parks at least the cities normally require the mess to be scooped up and disposed.  Can we require that with human migrants?  I doubt it.  We don't even enforce littering laws.

And how do they squat and drop trow without breaking public exposure laws?  Those laws go next?

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Re: Denver moves to end the war on public sh*tting!
« Reply #359 on: June 13, 2017, 02:03:58 PM »
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/denver-decriminalizes-public-defecation-make-life-easier-migrants-homeless#.WSiTX7O6P_8.twitter

Legalize it!

This is serious business.  Is the city or country now in charge of restrooms - as a right?

I watched an inner city McDonalds security guard refuse restroom access to a youth where it is clearly marked no use without purchase and the kid had no money.  I felt sorry for the kid.  One could only guess what was going to happen next, out back.

Forgive the bad analogy but with pets in parks at least the cities normally require the mess to be scooped up and disposed.  Can we require that with human migrants?  I doubt it.  We don't even enforce littering laws.

And how do they squat and drop trow without breaking public exposure laws?  Those laws go next?

Yes. Of course. Don't want to discriminate against anyone!

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Libertarian candidates
« Reply #360 on: March 21, 2018, 07:19:05 AM »

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Re: Libertarian candidates
« Reply #361 on: March 21, 2018, 08:28:27 AM »
The better the appeal of the Libertarian candidate, the more chance the Dems have to steal the seat.  Like Nader with Bush Gore, libertarians often win more than the margin of Dem victory, as they did in MN 2016:

Democrat:    Clinton   46.9%    1,366,676
Republican:   Trump   45.4%    1,322,891
   margin                                     43,785
Libertarian   G. Johnson  3.9%     112,944
Independent E. McMullin  1.8%     53,080

Bring the libertarian issues INTO the parties.  Both parties!

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Re: Libertarian Issues
« Reply #362 on: March 21, 2018, 09:25:39 AM »
Indeed!

If you add the Green vote to Hillary and the Libertarian vote to Trump, Trump won the popular vote by a small margin.

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Re: Libertarian Issues
« Reply #363 on: March 21, 2018, 12:35:07 PM »
Indeed!

If you add the Green vote to Hillary and the Libertarian vote to Trump, Trump won the popular vote by a small margin.

Yes (I didn't know that!), and a little more yet with McMullin figured in.
Clinton + Stein =  67,302,113
Trump + Gary Johnson + Evan McMullin = 68,197,921

A center-right nation!  (?)

That doesn't mean Nader voters would have otherwise voted for Gore, Johnson for Trump, etc. but a very interesting stat.

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Re: JD Vance's challenge to libertarianism
« Reply #365 on: July 19, 2021, 08:34:10 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmVjKIEC8rw

He is right but there is a fine line between us using government powers to achieve our outcome objectives and them using government powers to achieve theirs.

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Re: Libertarian Issues
« Reply #366 on: July 19, 2021, 05:38:54 PM »
Agreed. 

The simple example that I use to zero in on libertarian economics is this:  China now has virtual monopoly on our anti-biotics.  Has does libertarian economics respond to this?

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Re: Libertarian Issues
« Reply #367 on: July 20, 2021, 06:14:10 PM »
Agreed. 

The simple example that I use to zero in on libertarian economics is this:  China now has virtual monopoly on our anti-biotics.  Has does libertarian economics respond to this?

Yes.  Here's how I see it.  Free markets, free choices is the rule.  National security and national interest is the exception.

We need to retain the manufacturing capability here for some strategic things especially as we head into a potential conflict period with China.  How to make that happen in our best interest and not wrapped up in crony government corruption will be enormously complex and challenging.

Anti biotics are a good example.  Masks.  The world leader in protective equipment is headquartered right here, 3M, yet we had no stockpile and no ability to respond to a crisis with emergency manufacturing capability.

Just in Time (JIT) manufacturing was the craze the last couple of decades.  Stock next to nothing and have every input come in exactly as needed.  Then came covid supply chain interruptions and the game has changed.  The new way might be called 'anti-fragile'.  How do we make systems resilient

Still, what JD Vance was suggesting is alarming.  He says we chose Walmart box store goods over jobs.  It would have taken quite a expansion of big government and contraction of economic freedoms to stop that.

In the area of pornography he makes a good point.  Free 'speech' is one thing.  Protecting our children is another.  There is no real mechanism to stop the 'entertainment' available to adults from reaching children and children are being harmed, so therefore ... we should do what?


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I laughed really hard at this
« Reply #368 on: October 27, 2021, 08:53:45 AM »

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Ideal v. Real v. Libertarian Purism
« Reply #369 on: July 08, 2024, 03:12:07 PM »
I consider myself a small “L” libertarian, mostly due to issues such as the one maladroitly explored here. Were the playing field indeed even I’d agree: private entities should manage their resources as they see fit. In view of the de facto social media oligarchy currently in play, however, I’m happy to abandon libertarian ideals until such time as something resembling an even playing field emerges, and indeed feel quite beholden to Musk for moving the needle somewhere closer to the center:

Government Officials Should Not Try to Influence Social Media

Cato @ Liberty / by Jeffrey Miron / Jul 8, 2024 at 10:33 AM

Jeffrey Miron and Jacob Winter


The Supreme Court recently threw out a case alleging that Biden administration officials unlawfully pressed social media companies to remove COVID-19-related disinformation. The court found that the plaintiffs did not have standing to sue, so it did not address the free speech or broader policy issues. Future cases with standing are likely, however, so it is important to consider the underlying questions.

Distressingly, many on the left and right want to regulate social media, claiming these outlets inappropriately promote or suppress certain viewpoints. Social media outlets inevitably make choices about whether, how much, and what to promote or suppress on their sites, and their decisions cannot possibly be neutral.

That, however, is the nature of free speech. The defense of the First Amendment is not that all speech is good, correct, or without harmful consequences. Instead, the defense is that controlling speech makes society worse by preventing discussion, expression of different viewpoints, and the vigorous debates that characterize a free society.

The opposing view holds that if content is false and harmful, it might be good overall to keep it offline. It is not possible, however, to restrict this power so that officials can pressure for the removal of only false or harmful content.

In particular, many claims are difficult to prove. Granting officials power in deciding validity privileges those officials’ weighing of the evidence. Additionally, ceding evaluative power to the government promotes a culture where the public is not responsible for evaluating claims themselves. At worst, this would allow government officials to assert that false claims are true, or vice versa, with minimal resistance.

More broadly, it is difficult to know the harmfulness of content. For example, social media platforms moderate content about mental health, such as by suppressing pictures of self-harm. After viewing these images, however, youth have reported varied reactions — from wanting to imitate the harm to offering help and feeling a sense of belonging.

Thus, the antidote to false and harmful content is not government regulation; it is market forces that will provide a range of social media outlets for users to engage with each other.

Social media outlets should therefore be free to choose their moderation policies and political biases — or eschew them — with no interference from the government.

https://www.cato.org/blog/government-officials-should-not-try-influence-social-media

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Re: Libertarian Issues
« Reply #370 on: July 09, 2024, 04:00:39 AM »
That would be a good fit on the First Amendment thread as well as here.

While I'm here, I will note that while I retain libertarian sentiments, I find reality presents real problems.

For example, free trade purism has left deeply penetrated by the Chinese in ways that threaten our national security.

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Re: Libertarian Issues
« Reply #371 on: July 09, 2024, 09:19:04 AM »
That would be a good fit on the First Amendment thread as well as here.

While I'm here, I will note that while I retain libertarian sentiments, I find reality presents real problems.

For example, free trade purism has left deeply penetrated by the Chinese in ways that threaten our national security.

No real debate on my end. I’m something of a first amendment purist, thinking anyone should be able to day anything they please, no matter how foolish, while those that disagree ought to be able to call that damn foolishness by its true name.

I’ve similar feeling re body autonomy, particularly where the WOD is concerned and indeed note a perplexing pattern: a lot of counterproductive behavior relies on those who so loudly and consistently vend a set of “facts” that many have trouble looking beyond the bounds of those “facts.” Hollywood has done us tremendous harm, IMO, by representing excessive drug use one-dimensionally, portraying withdrawal as an existensional experience where the junkie would sell out granny for a gram of whatever, portraying junkies as de facto junkies, and blaming it all on the substance, rather than the culture addictive personalities are driven to dwell amid. You have enough money you can live as long as Keith Richards while consuming every substance under the sun in high quality doses, something popular culture fails to convey.

I’ve serious moral quandaries where abortion is concerned, and think we as a society have (intentionally!) omitted the sort of moral foundation in education that would ensure that perspective is considered when making any decision, including one about abortion. Still, I don’t live behind everyone’s eyes and am loathe to unilaterally impose a blanket proscription, and thus hope for a “legal, safe, and RARE” future, while acknowledging we are far from there as the left favors a litmus test where unfettered abortions are the amoral rule, rather than the exception.

I could rattle on. The second amendment is another area where I’m a purist and note the left desperately seeks to convey a “guns are bad and unnecessary” message with the same vigor Hollywood sells the “drugs make people into unaccountable near-zombies” message the WOD is founded on. And hey, I don’t think we have any business quarter troops if private homes, among other amendments I can happily opine on.