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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #150 on: May 14, 2021, 04:58:35 PM »
Watched the Baier-Cheney interview-- wow!  Baier sure brought the heat!

He brought heat in the form of substance and context.  Weird part is, I think Baier agrees with her about no election fraud.  Why is there no follow up by anyone on that substance?

The Navarro Report tells us what Trump's advisers were telling him at that time:
https://firehydrantoffreedom.com/index.php?topic=1709.msg131082#msg131082
Six dimensions of cheating in six states, 31 areas of cheating backed up with widespread evidence, hundreds of footnotes. 
How about someone on CNN (ha) asking her how she is sure all of that is wrong or that none of it would change the election result? 

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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #151 on: May 14, 2021, 05:03:46 PM »
".Weird part is, I think Baier agrees with her about no election fraud "

yes your right Doug
at end of interview he blurted in one sentence  something like there was no election fraud

out of no where

not sure if he was obligated to for Fox News or he really believes it
but that did seem to counter the entire rest of his theme of the interview....

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Byron York - Conservative mood has shifted away from Trump
« Reply #152 on: May 16, 2021, 05:02:51 AM »
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-yorks-daily-memo-the-gop-is-bigger-than-trump

Excerpts ======>>>

"During Trump's presidency, majorities of Republicans and those who leaned Republican said they considered themselves more a supporter of Trump than of the GOP. For example, in September of 2020, 53 percent said they were a Trump supporter, versus 37 percent who said they were a GOP supporter. In June 2019, 52 percent said they were Trump supporters, versus 38 percent for the GOP.

Now that has changed. In a poll taken in late April, 50 percent said they were more a supporter of the GOP, while 44 percent said they were more a supporter of Trump. The balance between the former president and the party has changed.

Other polls show Trump's favorability rating with all registered voters below 40 percent, and favorability with Republicans around 80 percent. That is still high for Republicans, but less than it was when Trump was president. That's only natural."

PS : I don't recall Byron was ever a "never Trumper" and was supportive of at least most of his policies.
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Re: Byron York - Conservative mood has shifted away from Trump
« Reply #153 on: May 16, 2021, 06:52:07 AM »
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-yorks-daily-memo-the-gop-is-bigger-than-trump

Excerpts ======>>>

"During Trump's presidency, majorities of Republicans and those who leaned Republican said they considered themselves more a supporter of Trump than of the GOP. For example, in September of 2020, 53 percent said they were a Trump supporter, versus 37 percent who said they were a GOP supporter. In June 2019, 52 percent said they were Trump supporters, versus 38 percent for the GOP.

Now that has changed. In a poll taken in late April, 50 percent said they were more a supporter of the GOP, while 44 percent said they were more a supporter of Trump. The balance between the former president and the party has changed.

Other polls show Trump's favorability rating with all registered voters below 40 percent, and favorability with Republicans around 80 percent. That is still high for Republicans, but less than it was when Trump was president. That's only natural."

PS : I don't recall Byron was ever and "never Trumper" and was supportive of at least most of his policies.

Conservatives yearn for a leader with all of Trump's good qualities and none of his bad ones. It would be best for Trump too to back someone new if the right candidate is possible.  Better than re-fighting old fights, the referendum now is on the Biden Harris administration.

Note, the poll numbers are unfair when someone is prevented from fighting back in a free speech country.

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Trump giving up the "frontman" status
« Reply #154 on: May 16, 2021, 08:43:04 AM »
".It would be best for Trump too to back someone new if the right candidate is possible."

It would
be ,
if only he were capable enough to do this .

zero evidence of it for 74 yrs.


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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #156 on: May 31, 2021, 08:07:19 AM »
Is that the right URL for the Stefanik post?

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Elise Stefanik - Michelle Malkin - follow the money
« Reply #157 on: May 31, 2021, 08:16:06 AM »
no .  wrong post  !  :-o
my apologies

here is MM post about her here:

https://www.creators.com/read/michelle-malkin/05/21/beware-elise-stefaniks-moneyman

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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #158 on: May 31, 2021, 10:46:55 AM »
Interesting.

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Re: Elise Stefanik - Michelle Malkin - follow the money
« Reply #159 on: June 01, 2021, 09:01:15 AM »
https://www.creators.com/read/michelle-malkin/05/21/beware-elise-stefaniks-moneyman

I like Michelle Malkin and the warning is valid. 

I would add that Elise Stefanik has her power now and does not need support of one money man anymore who bundled 300k.  She only needs to win her district and the most expensive House race ever was 50 million, almost 200 times that.  Her district is 56-42 Republican and she is now perhaps the second most powerful woman in Congress to Nancy Pelosi. She knows how to raise enough money to win her district, with or without one bundler.  He may need her; she doesn't need him.
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-york-house-district-21
https://time.com/4823581/georgia-election-ossoff-handel-race/

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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #160 on: June 01, 2021, 09:53:15 AM »
Hope you are right!

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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #161 on: June 01, 2021, 10:16:49 AM »
just reviewed her website
and some supposedly non biased reviews

that said I still cannot make sense of it all

She is for secure borders and "common sense " immigration " reform

whatever that means

did not say she would send back any illegals but site that says that again speaks the big lie about illegal immigration when it states there are 11 million here

we know it is double that or more even

leans conservative
gets good NRA rating

but just not sure

Hard to believe leftist money being spent to her is for just to later have some influence


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Re: The Way forward for Republican party, Stefanik
« Reply #162 on: June 01, 2021, 01:27:27 PM »
I would only add, there's a big distinction between moderate Republican with us 80% of the way, and a RINO who by definition is not there when you need them.  cf, McCain on Obamacare repeal, Romney, Cheney on impeachment.

From what I can see so far, she was there when we needed her. 

The party needs the center right to be a majority party and the party needs a woman in leadership.

Just the indication of support for a secure border is infinitely better than every Biden-supporting Democrat.
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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #163 on: June 01, 2021, 03:23:05 PM »
"the party needs a woman in leadership."

well, we could have the first Olympic gold medalist , first
female president (if Joe doesn't croak first) and first trans president

and CRUSH the glass ceilings and be the envy of the World.  :wink:




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Re: The Way forward for Republican party, Stefanik
« Reply #164 on: June 01, 2021, 05:51:31 PM »
A secure border in theory, never in practice.

McCain used the exact same words.

I would only add, there's a big distinction between moderate Republican with us 80% of the way, and a RINO who by definition is not there when you need them.  cf, McCain on Obamacare repeal, Romney, Cheney on impeachment.

From what I can see so far, she was there when we needed her. 

The party needs the center right to be a majority party and the party needs a woman in leadership.

Just the indication of support for a secure border is infinitely better than every Biden-supporting Democrat.

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Condoleeza Rice
« Reply #165 on: June 02, 2021, 07:40:04 AM »
gets it - sort of :

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/condoleeza-rice-trump-populist-americans/2021/06/02/id/1023586/

a bit late

it is not just globalization
   it is many things

Also,
I don't like the description of *POPULIST*
indeed i find this label annoying





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WSJ: Latinos going Republican
« Reply #167 on: June 08, 2021, 09:37:02 AM »
For decades some conservatives, yours truly among them, have argued that Latino Americans, with their ethic of faith and family and work, ought to be natural Republicans. On Saturday in a South Texas city on the Mexican border, Javier Villalobos gave America a glimpse of what this future might look like when he became the first Republican elected mayor of McAllen—the 85% Latino seat of Hidalgo County.

“Villalobos’ election should surprise absolutely no one who followed how counties in the Rio Grande Valley swung heavily toward Trump in the last election,” says Mike Gonzalez, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation and author of “The Plot to Change America: How Identity Politics Is Dividing the Land of the Free.”

As Mr. Gonzalez notes, the auguries were there for anyone who cared to look. In 2016 Hillary Clinton carried Hidalgo County by 41 points. But in 2020, Joe Biden won by only 17 points. Meanwhile Zapata County—what the Washington Post calls “the bluest of blue counties along the river”—flipped for Donald Trump in 2020, the first victory for a GOP presidential candidate there since Warren G. Harding a century ago.

These developments have Democrats sounding the alarm. A May postelection analysis by a trio of left-leaning organizations noted that while Latino turnout in 2020 grew “dramatically” over 2016, Democrats saw a “significant dip in support in places with high concentrations of Latino and Hispanic voters.” Nor were Republicans simply sitting on the sidelines all the while. When asked by Texas Monthly what was attractive to Latinos about the Republican Party, Chuck Rocha, an adviser to the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, answered this way:

“At the Republican National Convention, the party had one Latino speaker after another telling their immigration story and how they lived the American dream. And if you just sit back and watch that or read the coverage, you might think, ‘Hey, these Republicans are all right. They like immigrants. They want to build entrepreneurship. They want us to all be rich like Donald Trump.’ ”

READ MORE MAIN STREET
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A new National Republican Senatorial Committee survey of Latino likely voters in battleground states offers some striking insights here, especially on values and priorities. At a time when even some conservatives are attacking the GOP commitment to free markets, for example, the NRSC result is striking.

The survey asked Latinos to choose between two statements. The first was unadulterated Milton Friedman : “Some people say free-market capitalism is the best form of government because it gives people the freedom to work and achieve.”


The second was what we might call the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez option: “Other people say that socialism is the best form of government because it is more fair and equitable to working class people.”

Almost two-thirds (63%) of respondents opted for the Friedman position, against only 17% for the AOC line. Hardly surprising, given that so many Latinos came to the U.S. in the first place to escape socialism. But capitalism is just the beginning of the surprises:

• 67% are “very concerned” their kids “won’t have the same opportunities me and my family came here to find.”

• 58% said too many people in America are happy not to work and “just live off government assistance.”

• 80% percent agree that “public schools are failing.”

• 67% agree that too many Americans “are losing our traditional values centered on faith, family and freedom.”

• 57% “oppose Democrat efforts to pack the Supreme Court with liberal judges.”

• 72% agree “we should do what is necessary to control our southern border.”

• 65% oppose the Democrats’ “bill that would make voter ID illegal.”

• 50% agree that “many of the policies that Democrats say help all minorities actually end up hurting Hispanic families.”

The NRSC’s conclusion? The political future isn’t California—it’s Florida. Florida’s electorate, the report notes, is substantially less white than it was in 2000, yet it is also more Republican than it was 20 years ago.

Still, if more Latinos are willing to pull the GOP lever these days, it probably owes as much to the Democratic Party’s lurch leftward than any brilliant Republican outreach. Last year’s riots certainly didn’t help among people who value law and order. In addition, Mr. Gonzalez argues that critical race theory, so popular with the political left, will end up having the opposite effect on minorities than progressives think.


“Critical race theory insists that Americans who are not WASPs must see themselves as aggrieved victims who want to transform America,” he says. “But people don’t fit into these neat categories cooked up in the faculty lounges. It’s turning off Americans of Latin background.”

The Democratic postmortem seems to confirm Mr. Gonzalez’s read. The GOP, it concedes, successfully cast Democrats in 2020 as the party of economic shutdowns, defunding the police, keeping schools closed, and socialism. “Republican attempts to brand Democrats as ‘radical’ worked,” it says.

The really bad news for Democrats? This was all back when Joe Biden was still selling himself to Americans as a moderate.

Write to mcgurn@wsj.com.

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Re: WSJ: Latinos going Republican
« Reply #168 on: June 08, 2021, 09:53:45 AM »
 :roll:

Must be why California is so red!



For decades some conservatives, yours truly among them, have argued that Latino Americans, with their ethic of faith and family and work, ought to be natural Republicans. On Saturday in a South Texas city on the Mexican border, Javier Villalobos gave America a glimpse of what this future might look like when he became the first Republican elected mayor of McAllen—the 85% Latino seat of Hidalgo County.

“Villalobos’ election should surprise absolutely no one who followed how counties in the Rio Grande Valley swung heavily toward Trump in the last election,” says Mike Gonzalez, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation and author of “The Plot to Change America: How Identity Politics Is Dividing the Land of the Free.”

As Mr. Gonzalez notes, the auguries were there for anyone who cared to look. In 2016 Hillary Clinton carried Hidalgo County by 41 points. But in 2020, Joe Biden won by only 17 points. Meanwhile Zapata County—what the Washington Post calls “the bluest of blue counties along the river”—flipped for Donald Trump in 2020, the first victory for a GOP presidential candidate there since Warren G. Harding a century ago.

These developments have Democrats sounding the alarm. A May postelection analysis by a trio of left-leaning organizations noted that while Latino turnout in 2020 grew “dramatically” over 2016, Democrats saw a “significant dip in support in places with high concentrations of Latino and Hispanic voters.” Nor were Republicans simply sitting on the sidelines all the while. When asked by Texas Monthly what was attractive to Latinos about the Republican Party, Chuck Rocha, an adviser to the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, answered this way:

“At the Republican National Convention, the party had one Latino speaker after another telling their immigration story and how they lived the American dream. And if you just sit back and watch that or read the coverage, you might think, ‘Hey, these Republicans are all right. They like immigrants. They want to build entrepreneurship. They want us to all be rich like Donald Trump.’ ”

READ MORE MAIN STREET
Joe Biden’s Covid ‘Science’ May 31, 2021
God Save the Clarence Thomas Court May 24, 2021
Bernie’s SALT in Biden’s Wounds May 17, 2021
Robert Mueller’s Revenge May 10, 2021
Who’s Afraid of Tim Scott? May 3, 2021
A new National Republican Senatorial Committee survey of Latino likely voters in battleground states offers some striking insights here, especially on values and priorities. At a time when even some conservatives are attacking the GOP commitment to free markets, for example, the NRSC result is striking.

The survey asked Latinos to choose between two statements. The first was unadulterated Milton Friedman : “Some people say free-market capitalism is the best form of government because it gives people the freedom to work and achieve.”


The second was what we might call the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez option: “Other people say that socialism is the best form of government because it is more fair and equitable to working class people.”

Almost two-thirds (63%) of respondents opted for the Friedman position, against only 17% for the AOC line. Hardly surprising, given that so many Latinos came to the U.S. in the first place to escape socialism. But capitalism is just the beginning of the surprises:

• 67% are “very concerned” their kids “won’t have the same opportunities me and my family came here to find.”

• 58% said too many people in America are happy not to work and “just live off government assistance.”

• 80% percent agree that “public schools are failing.”

• 67% agree that too many Americans “are losing our traditional values centered on faith, family and freedom.”

• 57% “oppose Democrat efforts to pack the Supreme Court with liberal judges.”

• 72% agree “we should do what is necessary to control our southern border.”

• 65% oppose the Democrats’ “bill that would make voter ID illegal.”

• 50% agree that “many of the policies that Democrats say help all minorities actually end up hurting Hispanic families.”

The NRSC’s conclusion? The political future isn’t California—it’s Florida. Florida’s electorate, the report notes, is substantially less white than it was in 2000, yet it is also more Republican than it was 20 years ago.

Still, if more Latinos are willing to pull the GOP lever these days, it probably owes as much to the Democratic Party’s lurch leftward than any brilliant Republican outreach. Last year’s riots certainly didn’t help among people who value law and order. In addition, Mr. Gonzalez argues that critical race theory, so popular with the political left, will end up having the opposite effect on minorities than progressives think.


“Critical race theory insists that Americans who are not WASPs must see themselves as aggrieved victims who want to transform America,” he says. “But people don’t fit into these neat categories cooked up in the faculty lounges. It’s turning off Americans of Latin background.”

The Democratic postmortem seems to confirm Mr. Gonzalez’s read. The GOP, it concedes, successfully cast Democrats in 2020 as the party of economic shutdowns, defunding the police, keeping schools closed, and socialism. “Republican attempts to brand Democrats as ‘radical’ worked,” it says.

The really bad news for Democrats? This was all back when Joe Biden was still selling himself to Americans as a moderate.

Write to mcgurn@wsj.com.


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from above link calling all wealth conservatives
« Reply #170 on: June 28, 2021, 09:59:17 AM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/06/27/calling-all-conservative-billionaires-i-have-the-plan-to-save-america-and-the-gop-n2591602

"Calling all conservative millionaires and billionaires "

my question

are there any?

Koch is always named
 but the remaining brother is hardly a true conservative

Adelson passed away

to my knowledge that leaves Peter Thiel..........


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Re: from above link calling all wealth conservatives
« Reply #171 on: June 28, 2021, 01:01:58 PM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/06/27/calling-all-conservative-billionaires-i-have-the-plan-to-save-america-and-the-gop-n2591602

"Calling all conservative millionaires and billionaires "
my question
are there any?
Koch is always named
 but the remaining brother is hardly a true conservative
Adelson passed away
to my knowledge that leaves Peter Thiel..........

The idea is rock solid, accelerating what is already happening.  Do Nevada first; it neighbors the biggest target, California.

One of the Koch brothers died; they were libertarian more than conservative, which is fine, great.  Adelson dead, too bad.  The money needs to be new donors.  There are 20 million millionaires in the US.  All of them are getting screwed or will be screwed by a Dem government somewhere, and maybe half of them identify conservative or Republican. 

It's time for all of us to start putting our money where our mind is. It's after tax money and you not only can't take it with you but you can't leave it behind anymore to your loved ones, many of whom think inheriting your hard earned money is unfair to others.  We need to start identifying movements that can make a difference, and make a difference.  This idea is a great start.

Build settlements like they do on the west bank.  Make them great and throw in some incentives.  Donors could build water systems and parks, offer interest free loans.  Help employers and businesses move.  Target the four biggest blue states.  Just show a Republican voter registration or donation, even a blog post dated 2020 or before.

Democrats had this idea once with how few people it would take to swing a place like North Dakota Left and take two Senate seats but they couldn't swing it.

As the Democrats divide us more and more, worse and worse, a magnet grows that pulls people to move live closer to like minded people.  It's time to embrace that.

Swinging Nevada back to red and putting Voter ID laws in other Republican led swing states would make a world of difference.

Just having votes counted honestly might swing the next election.
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Re: from above link calling all wealth conservatives
« Reply #172 on: June 28, 2021, 04:04:45 PM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/06/27/calling-all-conservative-billionaires-i-have-the-plan-to-save-america-and-the-gop-n2591602

"Calling all conservative millionaires and billionaires "
my question
are there any?
Koch is always named
 but the remaining brother is hardly a true conservative
Adelson passed away
to my knowledge that leaves Peter Thiel..........

The idea is rock solid, accelerating what is already happening.  Do Nevada first; it neighbors the biggest target, California.

One of the Koch brothers died; they were libertarian more than conservative, which is fine, great.  Adelson dead, too bad.  The money needs to be new donors.  There are 20 million millionaires in the US.  All of them are getting screwed or will be screwed by a Dem government somewhere, and maybe half of them identify conservative or Republican. 

It's time for all of us to start putting our money where our mind is. It's after tax money and you not only can't take it with you but you can't leave it behind anymore to your loved ones, many of whom think inheriting your hard earned money is unfair to others.  We need to start identifying movements that can make a difference, and make a difference.  This idea is a great start.

Build settlements like they do on the west bank.  Make them great and throw in some incentives.  Donors could build water systems and parks, offer interest free loans.  Help employers and businesses move.  Target the four biggest blue states.  Just show a Republican voter registration or donation, even a blog post dated 2020 or before.

Democrats had this idea once with how few people it would take to swing a place like North Dakota Left and take two Senate seats but they couldn't swing it.

As the Democrats divide us more and more, worse and worse, a magnet grows that pulls people to move live closer to like minded people.  It's time to embrace that.

Swinging Nevada back to red and putting Voter ID laws in other Republican led swing states would make a world of difference.

Just having votes counted honestly might swing the next election.

Nevada's dem power structure will NOT allow for honest voting.

We aren't voting our way out of this.

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Outstanding !!!
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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #174 on: July 01, 2021, 01:40:51 PM »
Major League trolling there! :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Comparison of trajectory and course of William Jennings Bryan and DJT
« Reply #175 on: July 09, 2021, 09:14:45 AM »
If history is a guide this comparison
appears *spot on *:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/07/william-jennings-bryan-revisited/

we need Trump to campaign *not* for himself  but for someone else
who can legislate better.

that said we know he will not step aside
hopefully Desantis , or someone else 's rise will make the point moot.







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Re: The Way forward for Republican Party in Texas
« Reply #179 on: November 15, 2021, 02:56:00 PM »

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Re: So where is the Contract with America?
« Reply #182 on: November 15, 2021, 09:00:20 PM »
https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/15/monday-patriots-dispatch-veritas-raid/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=recaps&tpcc%3D=recaps&pnespid=7LxiC3RVLL0AguHEvDWqFomduxC3S4duJuvgwLZ5rhlm.Xz3YwHStHDj7Atj44euLxUTLX44

Or will it be like seven years of denouncing Obamacare and then having nothing to offer when they come to power?

Failure theater is a republican specialty.

If they needed John McCain's vote who was willing to backstab his voters, and put some others in that category, they never came to power.  If they needed 60 votes in the Senate to repeal what passed with 60 votes, they never came to power.  It's WAY easier to be out of power and point to bad governance than to govern well.  It's our turn to benefit from that now.

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Re: So where is the Contract with America?
« Reply #183 on: November 15, 2021, 09:34:31 PM »
https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/15/monday-patriots-dispatch-veritas-raid/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=recaps&tpcc%3D=recaps&pnespid=7LxiC3RVLL0AguHEvDWqFomduxC3S4duJuvgwLZ5rhlm.Xz3YwHStHDj7Atj44euLxUTLX44

Or will it be like seven years of denouncing Obamacare and then having nothing to offer when they come to power?

Failure theater is a republican specialty.

If they needed John McCain's vote who was willing to backstab his voters, and put some others in that category, they never came to power.  If they needed 60 votes in the Senate to repeal what passed with 60 votes, they never came to power.  It's WAY easier to be out of power and point to bad governance than to govern well.  It's our turn to benefit from that now.

The feral government was never to be this involved in our lives. If it actually did what it as supposed to as outlined in the constitution, then we wouldn't have to invest so much energy in trying to manage the negative impact from it.

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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #184 on: November 16, 2021, 03:52:43 AM »
"The feral government"  -- Freudian slip? :-D

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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #185 on: November 16, 2021, 06:28:33 AM »
"The feral government"  -- Freudian slip? :-D

Nope. It's the correct term.

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Hoover Institute : Fellows on Future of the Republican Party
« Reply #186 on: December 15, 2021, 11:01:02 AM »
some good stuff :

http://republicbrief.com/az-state-rep-reads-dem-whistleblowers-letter-to-the-doj-about-2020-election-fraud-during-election-integrity-hearing/

They say Trump will in '24 guarantee a large Democrat turnout
but I am thinking as long as we have prolonged elections and massive mail in stuff,
the turn out is virtually guaranteed as
the divisions of soldiers getting the mail in ballots brought in have more time to do their conniving.


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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #188 on: January 07, 2022, 10:31:05 AM »
 I like all but the patient control of health care is only likely to some degree

"One of the clearest things to come out of the pandemic is that Americans want more control of their health care. We don’t want to be treated like a statistic."

Agree but ,

The two biggest D's in Health care is Data and Diversity.

It is all about the numbers......

for the payers, report cards etc



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The Way forward for Republican party - Gay Republicans? Why Not?
« Reply #189 on: January 14, 2022, 12:55:43 PM »
First, it is a shame to put individuals politically into groups.  That said, it's time for Republicans to start winning the votes of gays who are like minded politically.

Along with every elected Dem a short time ago, I was against gay marriage when it was a political issue.  That ship has sailed, but gays still don't feel welcome in the Republican party.

Donald Trump was the first US President to support gay marriage before he was President.  It's not an issue anymore and people who favor personal liberty should naturally lean RIGHT. 

I notice that certain prominent conservatives are gay.  I have been following FEE.org(Foundation for Economic Eduction) for their excellent free market economic stories.  I was watching a video discussion today where writer Brad Polumbo was mocking the AOC most narcissistic claim that conservative men hate her because they can't sleep with her.  Something about the way he said AOC was an attractive woman but not his type made me wonder further and I found this:
https://quillette.com/2019/02/18/the-politically-homeless-life-of-a-gay-conservative/

How does a man with such clear free market, limited government views find himself politically homeless.  We are past the gay marriage issue.  Gay conservatives, if there are any, should be welcomed, not homeless.

Some say gay is a choice, and that is offensive to gays.  I don't think it's possible, at least for men.  You know who you are sexually attracted to and you know pretty early on.

People who politically say gay is a sin are being counter-productive.  So is sex before marriage and a lot of things like envying your neighbor's income.  Stop chasing people away that we need.  In our system, you get to choose between two major parties and the other one wants to destroy the country.   God who made people gay, not liberalism.  People who agree with us on border security, liberty, privacy, limited government and economic growth, aren't they our allies?

It's a small group?  We've been losing key elections by 0.4% of the vote and less.  We should not be alienating like-minded people.  What did Ronald Reagan say...

On that note on the forum, no gay rips at Pete Buttigieg, IMHO.  Our problems with him are the same as for all Dems: Leftist propaganda and policy choices.

As a group, lesbian women might be among the most liberal out there.  Maybe a very small percentage of them really lean conservative.  We want their vote.  Gay men are peer pressured to vote Left, but the economic issues hit gay and lesbian people the same way they hit everyone else.  Taxes, inflation, over-regulation, stagnation, crime, privacy, freedom, life, equal treatment under the law, those issues affect all of us.  We want your vote.
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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #190 on: January 14, 2022, 02:12:30 PM »
Doug,

so how do we attract
gays who

connect us with the religious right
ronald reagan who they wrongly blame for AIDS
and previous attempts to block gay marriage
etc

many gays associate with victomhood
group of groups

disgruntled

and they are the most viscous politically

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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #191 on: January 14, 2022, 02:59:02 PM »
ccp, no easy answer.
Invite them, respect them. Stop doing and saying counter-productive things.

My take on that, Reagan (and Trump) cut tax rates for gays (everyone), raised incomes for gays.  Opened business opportunities for gays.  Republicans support greater privacy, liberty.

Hispanics didn't suddenly starting liking Trump and Republicans.  They like job wage growth.

The Big One: You mentioned designer babies in the abortion discussion. Watch what happens when someone claims to identify a gay identifier or predictor in the unborn.  Who will be pro-life then?


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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #193 on: January 14, 2022, 03:57:29 PM »
Certain letter(s) of the LGBTQ grouping will be more attracted to the GOP message than others.


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Re: The Way forward for Republican party
« Reply #195 on: January 21, 2022, 10:10:18 AM »
good suggestions from VDH

I would add to #7 reducing the national debt

Gingrich was on ?last night and spoke of suggesting same idea of new contract

watch hillary come out with a counter...............

and try to steal the thunder

a la clintonesque

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Re: The Way forward for Republican party, Hugh Hewitt
« Reply #196 on: February 11, 2022, 05:11:47 AM »
Wash Post today

The GOP is either coming together around a new and extraordinary consensus. Or it is coming apart at the seams. Take your pick. Both are true.

Recent debates among GOP candidates for governor and the Senate in Arizona, governor in Minnes​​ota and Senate in Ohio confirmed what Virginia’s elections in November had suggested: center-right voters in red America are as energized as ever. In moderating the four forums, I’ve found the large crowds as informative as the candidates. And the messages they’re sending have revealed much about the GOP in 2022: It is divided, but not in the way Manhattan-Beltway media believe.

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The biggest divide can be called “insurgent wing” vs. “establishment wing,” but that’s only one fault line within the GOP. A chasm separates the Republicans — including former president Donald Trump — who eagerly got the vaccine and booster shot as soon as they were available and those who think there is a sinister underbelly of misinformation and power accumulation to the entire coronavirus prevention campaign.

Another deep fault line concerns the 2020 election. Many Republican primary voters believe President Biden’s win is tainted, thinking the election deeply troubled by sudden rules innovations brought on by covid-19 as well as ham-handed outside actors. This group suspects that the $400 million Mark Zuckerberg and his wife, Priscilla Chan, donated to local election offices delivered Biden’s win via boosted turnout. (“How Private Money From Facebook’s CEO Saved The 2020 Election” is the way NPR framed the donations; those GOP voters — hardly fans of NPR — agree with that framing.) A subset of the “election objectors” mistakenly think material fraud occurred in enough states to have awarded the election to the former president. A smaller group, also mistakenly, thinks former vice president Mike Pence could have set aside the election results.

On foreign policy, there’s another huge split. On one end are peace-through-strength voters who want to reopen Bagram air base in Afghanistan and who believe that America’s commitment to the defense of Taiwan includes, if necessary, American submarines sinking Chinese ships headed toward the island. On the other end, a reborn isolationist wing — stronger than at any time since before World War II — is stirring and organizing.

But despite these gulfs, there is much that unites Republican voters. They care almost nothing about allegations of voter suppression from the left. And while the people who rioted and invaded the Capitol last year need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, the Jan. 6 select committee is a kangaroo court in the eyes of GOP voters, and that will never change.

Three key areas of agreement, around which successful Republican candidates will organize their campaigns, are the wholesale failure of public schools during the pandemic — including teachers unions run amok — and thus the need for school choice; the “breakup of Big Tech,” which means different things to different people but which elicits cheers; and the need for combativeness among candidates assailed by mainstream media, the reputation of which has never been lower on the center-right. Finally, there is a near complete consensus that Trump set the standard for naming judges by nominating only proven originalists. The fruits of that stance are evident, with the Second Amendment safe from threats and Roe v. Wade possibly overturned by July Fourth. Gubernatorial hopefuls and would-be presidents should follow that example.

GOP candidates can go (and some have gone) too far in rhetorical flourishes about 2020, Biden and liberal elites. But the party’s voters have much forgiveness for missteps. The GOP’s divides pale next to stark clarity about the two tribes in America — red and blue. As midterms approach, the excitement is with red, not blue.


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