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what a bunch of scumbuckets
« Reply #1302 on: February 10, 2022, 08:41:31 AM »
we taxpayers should give the Fed employees a cost of living raise
while we get squeezed :

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/biden-propose-4-6-percent-110634675.html

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Forbes article
« Reply #1303 on: February 16, 2022, 03:15:53 PM »
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewtisch/2022/02/15/how-magical-thinking-led-america-to-30-trillion-in-debt/?sh=414247546118

who is going to string up from lamp posts
 krugman , et al?

for the destruction of our nation?

can include democrat politicians too
and some spendthrift republicans



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Re: Forbes article
« Reply #1304 on: February 16, 2022, 03:21:21 PM »
All part of the plan. Cloward-Piven.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewtisch/2022/02/15/how-magical-thinking-led-america-to-30-trillion-in-debt/?sh=414247546118

who is going to string up from lamp posts
 krugman , et al?

for the destruction of our nation?

can include democrat politicians too
and some spendthrift republicans

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6 trill in gov'n sending leads to massive fraud
« Reply #1305 on: February 22, 2022, 10:01:05 AM »
every election cycle we here how money will be saved and the debt decreased by eliminating fraud and abuse

and every government spending program continues to have massive fraud and abuse:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/immense-fraud-creates-immense-task-for-washington-as-it-tries-to-tighten-scrutiny-of-6-trillion-in-emergency-coronavirus-spending/ar-AATZ0cF


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spending hath no end
« Reply #1306 on: March 03, 2022, 07:58:32 AM »
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/money-covid-19-congress-electrical-grid/2022/03/03/id/1059423/

did we not spend ~ 6 trillion on corona?

this proposed under the cloak of aid to Ukraine..... :x


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Re: spending hath no end
« Reply #1307 on: March 03, 2022, 08:07:22 AM »
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/money-covid-19-congress-electrical-grid/2022/03/03/id/1059423/

did we not spend ~ 6 trillion on corona?

this proposed under the cloak of aid to Ukraine..... :x

From the article:  "Senate Republicans have indicated they might oppose new COVID spending until the administration accounts for previous funding. They say the Biden administration has not fully accounted for the $1.9 trillion package adopted last year."

   - What?!  Previous spending wasn't fully accounted for??!!

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good interview ; Manchin on Kudlow
« Reply #1308 on: March 05, 2022, 09:09:15 PM »
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/manchin-stands-firm-disagreements-biden-policies

I love the part just under 10 minutes in where he states well 17 Nobel Laureates are wrong (when they told Biden in a letter spending and printing money will not lead to inflation

he mostly sounds like a Republican .....


of course Economist Shysters like Krugman would probably blame the Ukraine situation
and how he could not have predicted inflation ....    :roll:

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"we've got a war going on in Ukraine
« Reply #1309 on: March 10, 2022, 07:14:24 AM »
https://populistpress.com/1-5-trillion-spending-bill/

my response this is total horse duty

No "WE" do not have a war going on in Ukraine;

Russian and Ukraine does

Omnibus bill:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_bill

bribes to Maduro ( :x):

I notice CNN tells us what is in the bill
 but of course it is CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/09/politics/government-omnibus-spending-bill-2022/index.html

Most important sleaze buried in the bill "earmarks":

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/09/politics/ominbus-spending-bill-congress-earmarks/index.html

If the DEM controlled House passes the bill it could not possibly be good for Republicans .
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/omnibus-spending-bill-allocates-40-million-democracy-programs-venezuela

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Scott Grannis
« Reply #1310 on: March 30, 2022, 06:47:47 PM »
" As for the national debt, servicing it now costs $550 billion/yr, but relative to GDP the burden of the debt (interest costs divided by nominal GDP) is very close to an all-time low (0.0226%). Regardless, the government is making out like a bandit with the combo of low interest rates and high inflation."

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Re: Scott Grannis
« Reply #1311 on: March 30, 2022, 09:44:47 PM »
" As for the national debt, servicing it now costs $550 billion/yr, but relative to GDP the burden of the debt (interest costs divided by nominal GDP) is very close to an all-time low (0.0226%). Regardless, the government is making out like a bandit with the combo of low interest rates and high inflation."

When debt hits 40T, and interest rates10%, debt service eats up all tax revenue.  Add a balanced budget amendment to that and you can close the courts, no military, no EPA, no border protection, oops that one's already gone, etc.

"government is making out like a bandit with the combo of low interest rates and high inflation"

   - The parasite (govt) is killing the host (private sector).  Besides the tragic outcome for the host, that is a suicide strategy for the parasite.

Best strategy for big government liberalism is supply side economics.  Maximize the growth of the private sector and you maximize the ability to fund programs that help people truly in need. 

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Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process
« Reply #1312 on: March 31, 2022, 05:35:57 AM »
" As for the national debt, servicing it now costs $550 billion/yr, but relative to GDP the burden of the debt (interest costs divided by nominal GDP) is very close to an all-time low (0.0226%). Regardless, the government is making out like a bandit with the combo of low interest rates and high inflation."

I don't buy this play on statistics

the total national debt is above GDP

so the interest on it is a small fraction - so what

we will never be able to pay down the debt

look at it another way in 10 yrs the interest will cost 5 trillion alone

sorry

sounds like a Democrat play on numbers to make is sound so trivial


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Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process
« Reply #1313 on: March 31, 2022, 06:44:35 AM »
" As for the national debt, servicing it now costs $550 billion/yr, but relative to GDP the burden of the debt (interest costs divided by nominal GDP) is very close to an all-time low (0.0226%). Regardless, the government is making out like a bandit with the combo of low interest rates and high inflation."

I don't buy this play on statistics

the total national debt is above GDP

so the interest on it is a small fraction - so what

we will never be able to pay down the debt

look at it another way in 10 yrs the interest will cost 5 trillion alone

sorry

sounds like a Democrat play on numbers to make is sound so trivial

THIS!


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Your Grandfather's Democratic Party, Incentives, NOT Programs
« Reply #1315 on: April 29, 2022, 05:29:39 PM »
Guess the party of the President who said this.

"The federal government's most useful role is not to rush into a program of excessive increases in public expenditures, but to expand the incentives and opportunities for private expenditures."

    - JFK, December 14, 1962, Address to the Economic Club of NY

Again:
"The federal government's most useful role is not to rush into a program of excessive increases in public expenditures, but to expand the incentives and opportunities for private expenditures."

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outrageous
« Reply #1316 on: April 30, 2022, 11:04:14 AM »

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Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process
« Reply #1317 on: April 30, 2022, 11:43:32 AM »
and of course this

tacked on:

https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-considering-excluding-high-145537767.html

I do not understand how this is constitutional to consistently

to tax some and not others
or to edict burdens only on some but not others
for obvious political gain




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Re: outrageous
« Reply #1318 on: April 30, 2022, 12:00:56 PM »

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disinformation czar
« Reply #1319 on: April 30, 2022, 12:40:29 PM »
more information coming in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Jankowicz#:~:text=Nina%20Jankowicz%20(born%201988%2F1989,Disinformation%20Governance%20Board%20Executive%20Director

notice we do not know how old she is .

majored in Russia and political science and was in Russia and Ukraine

where better to learn propaganda

me :  oh no =>

***Jankowicz has not, however, stated whether or not she is Jewish. Meanwhile, her Twitter account claims that her ancestor emigrated to the United States from a Warsaw ghetto. In the ghetto, her grandparents were just ordinary Jews. She also stated that she lived and worked in Ukraine and is of Ukrainian descent.***

I don't get  it
why do so many Jews working with the LEFT when the propaganda is mostly from the RIGHT?

they have their heads on backwards

even a liberal jew like Bill Maher admits at least this much
  ( I give him partial credit for this)

the rest are just crazy democrats ....

Elie Wiesel was a Trump fan - I really miss him.  I loved the guy.
Jackie Mason too
  and my uncle who was a WW2 vet and according to one cousin was a Trump fan



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Re: Zero jobs from $25B in "green stimulus"
« Reply #1320 on: April 30, 2022, 02:02:14 PM »
One of the benchmark portions of the stimulus was the $25 billion devoted to
creating green jobs. Professor Obama imagined a world of greener buildings and green
jobs miraculously sprouting all across the fruited plains. So, he dumped $25 billion
into painting shingles white and whatever else it is they do to 'green' buildings.
The result? Zero jobs. Just another government 'success' story. READ
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/09/25-billion-stimulus-program-produces-0-jobs/

Make no mistake, lots of well connected Dems got very rich off of the various green boondoggles. That is how they measured it as a success.


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encourage high gas prices
« Reply #1322 on: May 06, 2022, 06:15:09 AM »
tell us the gas reserves will be released (which will hardly do anything for few days)


then fill back the gas reserves at sky high prices
with tax dollars

and then boast about what extensive efforts you have made to help consumers and ease their pain at the pump

 :roll:


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WT: Three steps to cutting inflation
« Reply #1324 on: May 12, 2022, 01:42:34 AM »
Three things Congress can do to get serious on tackling inflation C

onsumer prices rose 8.6% last year, the highest inflation since 1981. What can Congress do?

First, stop the federal spending spree. Spending soared from $4.76 trillion in 2019 to $6.79 trillion in 2020 and $7.02 trillion in 2021. The Federal Reserve has enabled much of this surge by printing dollars like crazy. In just two years, the Fed has used these newly minted bills to buy more than $3 trillion of government bonds, as well as trillions more of other financial assets such as corporate bonds and mortgage securities. In printing money to cover these “purchases” while holding interest rates at near-zero, the Fed has spurred an expansion of the money supply by nearly 50% in just two years.

Using money created out of thin air to finance government spending comes at a cost: today’s soaring prices and a decline in real incomes. Congress

needs to curb the spending. Fast.

Second, stop subsidizing the housing market.

Congress subsidizes the mortgage markets through government-sponsored enterprises, specifically Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae. The GSEs issue more than 90% of all residential mortgagebacked securities. By underwriting artificially low rates, Fannie, Freddie and Ginnie induce and enable borrowers to take out bigger loans, feeding the rise in housing prices and pricing out new buyers, especially young families.

The Fed has helped throw gas on this inflationary fire by purchasing $1.2 trillion of MBSs from the GSEs since March 2020. It now owns $2.7 trillion of these securities — an increase of 125% than it held in March 2020.

As a consequence, from the start of the pandemic through February 2022, home prices soared 33%. They are up 19.5% in just the last 12 months, dwarfing the prior 12-month jump of 7.1%. Adjusted for inflation, residential property prices now exceed the alltime record levels of the 2006 housing bubble. Home prices are now rising far faster than family income.

The home-price-to-medianincome ratio stands exceeds 7.2, eclipsing the 7.03 peak in late 2005. Compare that to a ratio of well under 5.0 from 1980 to 2000. In less than 18 months, mortgage payments based on median home prices have increased nearly 50% due to the rise in prices combined with a near doubling of mortgage rates. The mortgage-payment- to-income ratio hit 34.9%

in February — the bleakest affordability levels since 2008.

Congress should require the Federal Reserve to stop buying new mortgage-backed securities and start unwinding its MBS portfolio. Lawmakers should also sever the special status given to the GSEs, narrow their focus to financing primary home purchases, gradually reduce the “conforming loan” limits so they don’t subsidize mansions, and forbid the GSEs from offering amortization options beyond the traditional 30-year repayment term.

Third, Congress should stop the war on work and energy.

The flow of unemployment bonuses, stimulus checks and other assorted benefits — combined with a threatened OSHA vaccine mandate — disincentivized a return to work even as localities reopened after lockdowns. Now, Congress threatens to enact restrictions on gig workers who compete with unions and to advance forced unionization. Congress should abandon this labor-suppressing agenda so nonunion workers, who make up 90% of America’s workers, can get a job.

Congress also should refuse to support the Biden administration’s war on affordable, abundant fossil fuels. In part because of policies and threatening rhetoric designed to discourage new domestic production, oil prices nearly doubled over the past year and U.S. production remains more than 10% below pre-pandemic levels.

As far-left environmental groups block natural gas pipeline projects, parts of the Northeast continue to pay electricity prices several times higher than what customers elsewhere pay. Congress possesses the power to clarify or rewrite regulations that inhibit our access to affordable energy.

If Congress stops the federal spending spree, stops subsidizing the housing market, and stops the war against workers and energy, inflationary pressures will ease significantly. ⦁

Joel Griffith is a research fellow in The Heritage Foundation’s Institute for Economic Freedom and Opportunity.

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Re: WT: Three steps to cutting inflation
« Reply #1325 on: May 12, 2022, 04:39:45 AM »
3 things the Biden administration denied as recently as yesterday have anything to do with inflation.

Therefore this will get worse before it gets better.

What about Treasury Secretary abortionist Yellen.  Doesn't she have Any background in economic science?

I guess she wasn't hired to tell Leftists in charge the truth.

Unfortunately, more money and fewer goods and serviced PRODUCED, definition of inflation, IS the elected policy of the country.

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Butti -> $5 bill for bike paths
« Reply #1326 on: May 16, 2022, 07:50:19 AM »

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Re: Butti -> $5 bill for bike paths
« Reply #1327 on: May 16, 2022, 07:52:57 AM »
Funny how they fail to explain why traffic deaths have spiked in recent times.


due to the traffic death crises

https://www.yahoo.com/news/buttigieg-sends-5b-cities-safety-094405060.html

 :roll:

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two new guns for hire for anything as interim disinformation heads
« Reply #1328 on: May 19, 2022, 10:08:16 AM »
https://www.conservativereview.com/the-clownish-disinfo-czar-got-the-boot-but-bidens-ministry-of-truth-hired-monster-replacements-2657354306.html

Chertoff's father was my families rabbi for decades
I called his office some yrs back for assistance and was blown off

I am no  longer a fan

and of course for cash is happy to work for Myorkas ......

I suppose one could hope he is to protect conservatives but then again he worked for Bush......

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Re: two new guns for hire for anything as interim disinformation heads
« Reply #1329 on: May 19, 2022, 10:09:54 AM »
Just another Deep State operative.


https://www.conservativereview.com/the-clownish-disinfo-czar-got-the-boot-but-bidens-ministry-of-truth-hired-monster-replacements-2657354306.html

Chertoff's father was my families rabbi for decades
I called his office some yrs back for assistance and was blown off

I am no  longer a fan

and of course for cash is happy to work for Myorkas ......

I suppose one could hope he is to protect conservatives but then again he worked for Bush......

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"Just another Deep State operative."

just another deep state

Harvard law grad who joined the DC club

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forgive 10K loan debt
« Reply #1331 on: May 28, 2022, 07:33:17 AM »
need to stimulate the Dem vote count...

just in time for 11/22

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/plans-forgive-10-000-student-154500391.html

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Only 38% of young voters favor canceling all student debt
« Reply #1332 on: July 15, 2022, 10:48:40 AM »



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Larry (no not Tribe or Fine) Summers
« Reply #1335 on: August 24, 2022, 06:21:51 AM »
diligently working to get back in the good graces of the Democrat cocktail pool party set :

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-economist-larry-summers-recommends-002940722.html

[if cannot cheat to increase votes enough to win
why not bribe a block of voters to do it.]

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Re: Larry (no not Tribe or Fine) Summers
« Reply #1336 on: August 24, 2022, 06:45:10 AM »
diligently working to get back in the good graces of the Democrat cocktail pool party set :

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-economist-larry-summers-recommends-002940722.html

[if cannot cheat to increase votes enough to win
why not bribe a block of voters to do it.]

Abuse of our bankruptcy laws is not the answer to high educational costs.  Getting the government money out is.

Student debt has to do with future earnings.  Bankruptcy has to do with present balance sheet.  Run up the debt.  Wipe out the debt.  Then start earning.  What a scam.

What is wrong, if your student debt is out of control, is that these colleges are not producing enough value for the money they charge.  The recourse should be against the failed educational institution, not the taxpayer who tried to help.

Have the colleges co-sign the loans.  They choose who gets in and what is taught.  Hold them accountable.

This college has $40 Billion tucked away:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/28/harvards-endowment-is-worth-40-billionheres-how-its-spent.html

Is a person with three advanced degrees in gender studies more valuable on our economy than software engineer with only a four year degree or a plumber or electrician with no student debt?  If so, more valuable to whom?  Let them pay.

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Government programs, more on govt canceling student debt
« Reply #1337 on: August 24, 2022, 07:02:03 AM »
"Here are some facts: Only 37% of Americans have a 4-yr college degree, only 13% have graduate degrees, and a full 56% of student loan debt is held by people who went to grad school.

Biden's plan to cancel it would be like taking money from a plumber to pay the debt of a lawyer."

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/08/23/takes-money-from-a-plumber-to-pay-the-debt-of-a-lawyer-brutal-thread-takes-bidens-plan-to-cancel-student-loan-debt-apart/

"Simply cancelling debt puts a band aid on the actual problem, which is colleges raising their tuitions every year while the government foots the bill, convincing young kids that taking out thousands of dollars in debt is a good idea. Solve the problem by going after the system."
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[Doug]  When did we decide $125k per person per year is hardship income?

And when did we decide four times the poverty line is the new poverty line (Obamacare)?_

Debt is not debt.  There is nothing they won't redefine - if we don't stop them.

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Student "debt" transferred to - all the rest of us
« Reply #1338 on: August 24, 2022, 09:22:28 AM »
"According to a Penn Wharton Budget Model, a one-time maximum debt forgiveness of $10,000 for borrowers who make less than $125,000 will cost around $300 billion for taxpayers."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-announces-student-loan-handout-national-debt-soars

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/student-loan-deal-could-cost-900b-favor-wealthy-americans-analysis-shows
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[Doug]  Is not $300 Billion spent for no goods produced whatsoever inflationary?

Paying people to think of the US$ as play money, these are the policies of the world's (former?) reserve currency.

Question for our constitutional scholars: 
I thought a "bill" (specially a spending bill) originates in the House, goes through the Senate for deliberations, then if successful in both those chambers goes to the President to be signed.  This is a $300 billion spending bill.  What the hell happened here?  WHY IS THIS CONSTITUTIONAL?

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Re: Student "debt" transferred to - all the rest of us
« Reply #1339 on: August 24, 2022, 09:26:11 AM »
Doug, ask any leftist, the constitution is like gender. It means whatever.



"According to a Penn Wharton Budget Model, a one-time maximum debt forgiveness of $10,000 for borrowers who make less than $125,000 will cost around $300 billion for taxpayers."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-announces-student-loan-handout-national-debt-soars

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/student-loan-deal-could-cost-900b-favor-wealthy-americans-analysis-shows
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[Doug]  Is not $300 Billion spent for no goods produced whatsoever inflationary?

Paying people to think of the US$ as play money, these are the policies of the world's (former?) reserve currency.

Question for our constitutional scholars: 
I thought a "bill" (specially a spending bill) originates in the House, goes through the Senate for deliberations, then if successful in both those chambers goes to the President to be signed.  This is a $300 billion spending bill.  What the hell happened here?  WHY IS THIS CONSTITUTIONAL?

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Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process
« Reply #1340 on: August 24, 2022, 01:50:41 PM »


"Question for our constitutional scholars:
I thought a "bill" (specially a spending bill) originates in the House, goes through the Senate for deliberations, then if successful in both those chambers goes to the President to be signed.  This is a $300 billion spending bill.  What the hell happened here?  WHY IS THIS CONSTITUTIONAL?"

Dunno if I quality as a scholar, but as best as I can tell it is not.

What is the basis for this assertion of power?!?


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Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process
« Reply #1342 on: August 25, 2022, 10:45:48 AM »


"Question for our constitutional scholars:
I thought a "bill" (specially a spending bill) originates in the House, goes through the Senate for deliberations, then if successful in both those chambers goes to the President to be signed.  This is a $300 billion spending bill.  What the hell happened here?  WHY IS THIS CONSTITUTIONAL?"

Dunno if I quality as a scholar, but as best as I can tell it is not.

What is the basis for this assertion of power?!?

Emergency Covid powers.

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Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process
« Reply #1343 on: August 25, 2022, 03:10:47 PM »
Clearly, that is BS. 

So, who has standing to contest it?

Separately, I am seeing something about the purported basis being "The Hero Act"?
« Last Edit: August 25, 2022, 04:13:44 PM by Crafty_Dog »

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Re: Government programs & regulations, spending, deficit, and budget process
« Reply #1344 on: August 25, 2022, 06:53:24 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6800

Includes student loans but refers to fiscal year 2020.


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Government programs, Inflation Reduction?
« Reply #1346 on: August 25, 2022, 07:23:10 PM »
Doesn't everyone know and agree that the cause of the current inflation is overspending requiring quantitative expansion and also Biden's energy policies.

Yet in the past week Democrats managed to spend a trillion dollars more -  in the name of "Inflation reduction".

This fools half the people?  For how long?

The 'solution' they actually have in mind for what they think is excess demand is economic  contraction / recession.

Unbeknownst to them,  the real problem is supply / production,  known as "GDP",  and the and the real solution is supply side economics, and they would rather lose elections than try it.
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Debt forgiveness, "and everyone else will pay for it"
« Reply #1348 on: August 26, 2022, 06:51:24 AM »
Our side gets one thing wrong on college debt forgiveness.

I keep hearing, "and everyone else will pay for it", the plumbers and tradespeople and so on.

It's not "everyone else" who pays for it.  It's EVERYONE who pays for it, including the recipients of the money.

They will pay with higher taxes, higher inflation and higher public debt held over them. 

And they will start paying sooner than they think:

Debt forgiveness is taxable.  Add that to their 124k / 249k incomes and see how much they really gained, while paying for it and governance like that for the rest of their lives.

Assuming you didn't figure this into your withholding, you've got some checks to write.

Hope you didn't spend the 10 or 20 grand you never received all in one place.

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Re: Debt forgiveness, "and everyone else will pay for it"
« Reply #1349 on: August 26, 2022, 06:55:39 AM »
At this point, what difference does it make?

This is just the standard looting of the treasury as the nation collapses.


Our side gets one thing wrong on college debt forgiveness.

I keep hearing, "and everyone else will pay for it", the plumbers and tradespeople and so on.

It's not "everyone else" who pays for it.  It's EVERYONE who pays for it, including the recipients of the money.

They will pay with higher taxes, higher inflation and higher public debt held over them. 

And they will start paying sooner than they think:

Debt forgiveness is taxable.  Add that to their 124k / 249k incomes and see how much they really gained, while paying for it and governance like that for the rest of their lives.