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« Reply #1100 on: December 22, 2020, 08:24:44 AM »

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government can now track transactions more then 3K
« Reply #1101 on: December 24, 2020, 07:18:08 AM »
https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/22/22195834/cryptocurrency-fincen-regulations-private-wallets

this was inevitable

everyone knows the government is NOT going to allow people to move or make (or lose money) w/o them knowing it.

not sure how this will effect bitcoin long term
since privacy was always a draw


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Re: government can now track transactions more then 3K
« Reply #1102 on: December 24, 2020, 07:56:34 AM »
https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/22/22195834/cryptocurrency-fincen-regulations-private-wallets

this was inevitable

everyone knows the government is NOT going to allow people to move or make (or lose money) w/o them knowing it.

not sure how this will effect bitcoin long term
since privacy was always a draw

It used to be that the Feds tracked any movement of cash 10,000 and above.
https://blog.fraudfighter.com/bid/80625/Bank-Secrecy-Act-The-10-000-Rule

Playing off that I tried to keep any movement of funds below 9k, such as a transfer from checking to savings etc.

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1103 on: December 24, 2020, 08:57:31 AM »
If you want to be optimistic, they are not trying to ban it. They just want a cut of the moolah. This is bad rule making by the govt. No point closing the barn door at this time. BTC cannot be banned, even by the USA.

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Re: government can now track transactions more then 3K; structuring & smurfing
« Reply #1104 on: December 24, 2020, 12:40:14 PM »
https://www.goldinglawyers.com/what-is-smurfing-example-of-how-smurfing-differs-from-structuring/


https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/22/22195834/cryptocurrency-fincen-regulations-private-wallets

this was inevitable

everyone knows the government is NOT going to allow people to move or make (or lose money) w/o them knowing it.

not sure how this will effect bitcoin long term
since privacy was always a draw

It used to be that the Feds tracked any movement of cash 10,000 and above.
https://blog.fraudfighter.com/bid/80625/Bank-Secrecy-Act-The-10-000-Rule

Playing off that I tried to keep any movement of funds below 9k, such as a transfer from checking to savings etc.
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Crypto via Paypal
« Reply #1105 on: December 24, 2020, 04:55:11 PM »

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Re: Crypto via Paypal
« Reply #1106 on: December 24, 2020, 05:06:39 PM »
Pro and cons?

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/crypto

I trust PP about as much as FaceHugger. They will fcuk you for daring to be to the right of Stalin.

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1107 on: December 24, 2020, 07:42:43 PM »
Paypal is good for BTC, they have like 350 mill customers. However, I heard functionality is limited. They might improve over time. It is still early in some respects. Current estimates are 1.5 % of the world population owns BTC.

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1108 on: December 24, 2020, 07:44:18 PM »
I'm hearing Ameritrade deals in crypto.

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« Reply #1109 on: December 25, 2020, 05:56:36 AM »
paypal  started
but limited to bitcoin ethereum and litecoin I have heard

and risk of hack into paypal is real
and can get "reversed "
"square" does bitcoin.

"coinbase" had decent security
"gemini" may have best security but some limitations on number of coins

fidelity has said they will do it but not up yet


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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1110 on: December 25, 2020, 06:39:45 AM »
some wallets currencies  pay dividends
for crypto holders

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1111 on: December 25, 2020, 07:01:02 AM »
some wallets currencies  pay dividends
for crypto holders

Why risk giving your coins to someone, when BTC gives you several hundred percent every year. If my understanding is correct, 1 million/BTC is not out of the question in 5 years. The focus should be on building opsec, so that a "5$ wrench attack" (google) is not a concern.

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China envisions its digital currency future
« Reply #1112 on: December 27, 2020, 06:09:19 AM »
China Envisions Its Digital-Currency Future, With Lotteries and a Year’s Worth of Laundry
In the latest trial, residents in the city of Suzhou won a share of 20 million “digital yuan” to spend on online or offline purchases

Signage for the digital yuan at a checkout counter in a supermarket in Shenzhen, China, in November.
PHOTO: YAN CONG/BLOOMBERG NEWS
By Jonathan Cheng
Dec. 27, 2020 6:00 am ET



BEIJING—The People’s Bank of China on Sunday concluded its second digital-currency pilot program, as the central bank moves closer to a formal rollout that would make China the first major world economy to introduce such a system.

This month, authorities in the eastern Chinese city of Suzhou handed out 20 million digital yuan, equivalent to $3.1 million, to local residents via a lottery. Each of the 100,000 winners received 200 yuan in the new digital currency, which could be spent on online or offline purchases.

The Suzhou pilot included twice as many residents and three times as many merchants as one conducted in October in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen, the first such trial of the government-backed digital currency.

The trial in Suzhou also expanded the scope of the pilot program by testing the digital yuan on online stores and by introducing an electronic-payment method that doesn’t require an internet connection.

Wang Ju, a 39-year-old Suzhou resident who was selected to participate in the pilot, was impressed to find a pastel-colored replica of a yuan bank note featuring state founder Mao Zedong in her digital-wallet app after following the instructions.

CHINA’S PUSH FOR A DIGITAL YUAN

“It’s amazing,” said Ms. Wang, who spent all of her allotted currency buying enough laundry detergent to keep her family’s clothes clean for a whole year. Ms. Wang chose to spend the money at JD.com Inc.’s online shopping platform, which was offering big discounts during its annual “Double Twelve” shopping festival that began on December 12.

Chinese authorities also teamed up with other technology giants, including Meituan and Didi Chuxing Technology Co., to test the use of digital yuan for services such as food delivery and ride hailing respectively.

To buy all that detergent, Ms. Wang had to top up with five yuan from her account at Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd. , since it exceeded the 200 yuan she received from the central bank. “It went through smoothly, like other online payments we did,” she said.

In the first 24 hours of the Suzhou trial, JD.com recorded nearly 20,000 orders paid in the digital yuan, the company said this month.

Besides testing payment on online stores, Suzhou also experimented with the digital currency’s offline-payment function, a feature touted by officials to differentiate the new platform from the electronic payment services already ubiquitous in China, a country where payments are already increasingly cashless.


Unlike payments made through Ant Group’s Alipay and Tencent Holdings Ltd. ’s WeChat Pay, the central bank’s offline-payment feature doesn’t require an internet connection, which could facilitate payments in areas with poor cellular service, officials said. A brief tap of devices between consumer and vendor can process the transaction.

Perhaps even more enticing for many merchants is that the new digital currency offered by the central bank doesn’t involve transaction fees, unlike Alipay, WeChat Pay and Chinese commercial banks.

‘I don’t think it’s about seeing who’s buying diapers or cigarettes today. It’s about having more of a real-time understanding of how money is moving in the economy for more of a macro targeting procedure.’— Martin Chorzempa, research fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics
One Suzhou merchant who participated in the pilot program welcomed both functions. Located on the ground floor of a shopping mall, the nut store often encountered problems with poor cellphone signals when consumers used WeChat Pay or Alipay.

After the nut vendor was chosen to take part in the Suzhou trial, China Construction Bank Corp. , the country’s No. 2 lender by assets, which also assisted the government in experimenting with the new currency, gave the store a domestically-produced smartphone that enables offline payments.

“We just needed a few touches of two cellphones to make the payment go through. It happened in the blink of an eye,” said the store’s manager, Mr. Ma, who declined to give his full name.

The lack of processing fees was another inducement, he said, saving him the three or four yuan for every 1,000 yuan processed that banks and payment firms generally charge. “To be frank, I prefer the digital currency which is backed by the government and charges no payment fee,” Mr. Ma said. “It saves a lot of money.”

China’s central bank said it began work on its digital currency—known as “digital currency/electronic payment,” or DC/EP—in 2014. It has said that the new yuan is a digital extension of physical fiat money endorsed by the government, describing the new currency’s purpose as being to replace some of China’s monetary base—cash in circulation.

Similar to China’s existing commercial digital-payment platforms, consumers must first download a digital wallet onto their smartphones, where they can store money and generate a QR code that is then scanned for payment during each transaction, according to the Suzhou and Shenzhen trials.


For the central bank, part of the appeal of the new digital currency is to create a public alternative to Alibaba and Tencent’s payments duopoly, and to gain more access to transaction data, says Martin Chorzempa, a research fellow at the Washington-based Peterson Institute for International Economics.

“I don’t think it’s about seeing who’s buying diapers or cigarettes today,” he said. “It’s about having more of a real-time understanding of how money is moving in the economy for more of a macro targeting procedure.”


Once it is in widespread use, the digital yuan could also give Chinese regulators more information on money flows, they have said, helping authorities track money laundering and terrorist financing.

Analysts have separately predicted the new currency could allow the central bank to put negative interest rates on cash in extreme economic circumstances, to encourage consumers to spend.

Though it has conducted several rounds of trials, both in public and in private, Chinese government officials haven’t offered a concrete timetable for a full rollout. Chinese central bank Gov. Yi Gang has said only that more rules and regulations are needed.

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Re: Money, the Fed, Banking, Monetary Policy, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1113 on: December 27, 2020, 06:18:01 AM »
Re: China's CBDC or any other CBDC, offering a lottery, it is fiat currency. It can be printed ad infinitum with a few key strokes. Even cheaper to print than the fiat it replaces.
The govts love CBD (Cannabidiol) and CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). Both will lead to UBI (Universal Basic Income).  What more could a politician want for continued re-election.

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Money is social media
« Reply #1114 on: December 27, 2020, 09:36:18 AM »
In the process of giving this a proper read:

https://reason.com/2020/12/24/money-is-social-media/


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BTC/crypto: Hedge or payment, NFL player getting paid in BTC, more
« Reply #1116 on: December 30, 2020, 04:30:09 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-12-29/bitcoin-hits-new-high-but-cryptocurrency-s-future-is-uncertain?sref=KgEBWdKh

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USA Today:

In May 2019, NFL offensive lineman Russell Okung wrote on Twitter that he wanted his salary to be paid in bitcoin, a type of digital currency.

On Tuesday, he indicated that his wish had been granted.

“Paid in Bitcoin,” he wrote on Twitter.

Okung is receiving half of his $13 million base salary for the 2020 season in bitcoin, according to a news release from Strike, a company that helps users convert traditional money to the cryptocurrency. The company claims that Okung, who is now with the Carolina Panthers, is the first player in league history to receive part of his annual paycheck in the form of a digital currency.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/video/associate-professor-finance-bitcoin-rally-155915462.html


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Bitcoin by the numbers
« Reply #1117 on: December 31, 2020, 04:37:07 PM »

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South Africa scam
« Reply #1118 on: December 31, 2020, 07:30:21 PM »
A provisional liquidation order has been granted against a South African Bitcoin trading company that is said to have received about 9.45 billion rand ($644 million) from as many as 280,000 investors, Business Day reported.

https://www.news24.com/fin24/companies/financial-services/just-in-court-grants-provisional-liquidation-order-against-stellenbosch-bitcoin-trader-mti-20201229




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some were predicting BC to 30 K by years end and here we are
« Reply #1119 on: January 01, 2021, 05:51:48 AM »
29,400

I find these predictions hard to believe but it is fun to think about:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/top-6-bitcoin-price-predictions-to-watch-in-2021




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Hard to believe ?...it is ordained. See the numbers...where  things are going. In the next 3-4 years a billion people will be using it.

https://blog.lopp.net/bitcoin-2020-annual-review/





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Begin here:
« Reply #1121 on: January 01, 2021, 04:00:18 PM »

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YA: 

That seems to be a very good read.  Thank you.  Still working on it. 

This caught my attention:

"While you may think of bitcoin as being a cryptocurrency, some users think of it as a trust anchor. By embedding data into Bitcoin’s blockchain, other systems can gain new properties such as tamper evidence and immutability."

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Bitcoin and related product development is currently like being at the start of the dotcom/internet development stage, circa 1990. We cannot even imagine where this will lead to. Most of us will do fine if we just hodl and not trade. There will be big drawdowns...but so far BTC has always recovered to higher highs.

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dollar to crypto ration
« Reply #1125 on: January 02, 2021, 07:57:10 AM »
8,397 to 1 in 2013
28.95 now

see lower right corner

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

is crypto rising
or dollar descending ?

Mostly the former

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33K
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From Twitter
Bitcoin going up is fun
- There will be price crashes
- They can be nasty crashes
- Sometimes 30% in days
- Buy what you’re ok losing
- Hold through the volatility
- Don’t try day trading
- Be patient & breathe

Welcome to Bitcoin.

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5 ways to short bitcoin
« Reply #1128 on: January 02, 2021, 11:03:19 AM »
https://www.investopedia.com/news/short-bitcoin/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20easiest%20ways,order%20to%20make%20a%20trade.

we can be sure all the shorts will out en mass Monday all over message boards CNBC
screaming
about what a scam it all is
and they will have their favorite bankers and billionaire's giving their take as to the whole thing being a ponzi scheme
and hype and tulip mania

etc.

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Breaking major news from US Treasury OCC, the largest US banking regulator (@USOCC), with new guidance allowing US banks to use public blockchains and dollar stablecoins as a settlement infrastructure in the US financial system. This is great news for the space.

The risk of banning BTC is now effectively zero. Bank settlement networks such as SWIFT are on the way out as banks have permission to use public blockchain networks..the best example is BTC.

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Wow.

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Wow.

It's like they are anticipating the collapse of a currency.

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Let's start keeping an eye on https://news.bitcoin.com/ and reporting on selected items here.

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BTC used to have large draw downs in the past, 30 % pull backs are to be expected in a bull run. Nothing out of the ordinary so far.

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I found this comment on BTC interesting
« Reply #1137 on: January 12, 2021, 07:24:37 PM »
https://wilderwealthywise.com/the-big-hangover-finland-and-bikini-economics/

Excellent story and excellent analogy. Bitcoin at the moment is absolutely the prime example of free money blasting up prices. (Well, except for maybe Tesla). In particular, Greyscale has absolutely gone crazy using the flood of free money to buy crypto assets, and is currently in control of 25 billion dollars of Bitcoin value. This is all a bubble and it will pop.

https://s3.cointelegraph.com/uploads/2021-01/9b2cf5b6-2c98-461b-bae2-9dfbdeefad63.jpeg

Bitcoin is a prime example of a Finnish corporal on meth. I personally have a technical aversion to Bitcoin because it has an unbelievably insane (and unnecessary) level of electricity use behind the scenes that people just don’t get. Bear with me, the tech details are fascinating to a geek like me…

Bitcoin is compared to gold and the term “mining” is applied to both. But (as is seen on the great blue collar TV program Gold Rush) once you burn the diesel fuel energy to get gold out of the ground, it requires no more energy to maintain its existence – it just sits quietly in a vault. In contrast, every bitcoin in existence requires electricity to propagate its existence forward another ten minutes. Just how much meth, er, electricity?

You gotta divide “the total worldwide Bitcoin system hash rate” by “the hash rate of the most energy efficient mining computer” to get “the number of mining computers in the world”, and multiply that number by “energy required to run each mining computer”. Then multiply that amount of energy by “the average cost of electricity” which we are going to say here is roughly ten cents per kilowatt hour.

Here’s the worldwide Bitcoin system hash rate in trillions of hashes per second (TH/sec – and I’ll explain just what a hash is later below):

https://www.blockchain.com/charts/hash-rate

Here’s arguably the best individual computer to stack up in warehouses to generate Bitcoins, the Antminer S9i:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CY1J6KJ/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B07CY1J6KJ&linkCode=as2&tag=bitrawr07-20&linkId=6121a78976ad626c0da3e1dfd24d1ffd

So we see that keeping Bitcoin alive requires 150 million TH/sec, and a single Antminer can generate 14.5 TH/sec using 1320 watts to do it.

As Jesse Pinkman says, let’s do the math, bi*ch.

The worldwide Bitcoin system takes 150/14.5 = over 10 million Antminer computers out there in warehouses to keep going. The worldwide Bitcoin system uses 10 million * 1320 W = over 13 billion continuous watts of power to keep running. THIS IS FOUR TIMES MORE POWER THAN IS PRODUCED BY PALO VERDE NUKE PLANT IN ARIZONA WHICH HAS NOT ONE BUT THREE REACTORS AND IS THE LARGEST NUKE PLANT IN THE WORLD. This electricity cost for the worldwide Bitcoin system is thus (13 billion / 1000) * $0.10 = $1.3 million dollars per hour. There’s only 18 million bitcoins in existence, so EACH AND EVERY SINGLE Bitcoin requires 1.3/18 = 7 cents per hour of electricity JUST TO STAY IN EXISTENCE. There’s 8760 hours in a year, so the eternal maintenance overhead cost to maintain a single Bitcoin is over $630 per year. Each and every year from now on to eternity. And this is just the bottom floor for cost estimates – the real numbers are actually higher because not all miners run S9is, etc etc etc.

Key point – the Bitcoin price HAS to keep going up to cover the ever-increasing sunk costs in electricity. Until it all becomes more trouble than it’s worth, at which point the whole system collapses.

So if you like the crazy con the Fed is running, you gotta LOVE bitcoin.

So – what’s a hash? All these 10 million S9i computers are like a linked worldwide casino of slot machines. They are all trying to hit the jackpot every ten minutes (the “blocktime”) and be the single winner that earns the right to issue 6.5 new bitcoins they get to keep for themselves and will sell later to the public, er, Greyscale for a profit. What is the game they are playing? They are all creating “hashes” – data files containing an encrypted list of all worldwide bitcoin transactions made in the past ten minutes. Each individual S9i computer is creating literally 14.5 trillion versions of this hash / data file every second.

From a security standpoint, and in contrast to the propaganda Bitcoin miners feed the public, there is absolutely no need for all of these trillions upon trillions of trial data files to be generated. They all contain the same transaction data and each and every one of them is equally secure (or insecure) against tampering by hackers or the NSA. BUT. There has to be a winner every ten minutes – and that winner is the one whose data file starts with an agreed-upon number of zeros in its randomly generated data structure. The exact number of zeros required is proportional to the gigantic number of computers trying to hit it.

So really Bitcoin is driven by greed of geeks linking up a higher and higher pile of computers to throw dice in a back alley on the internet.

Bitcoin is data meth that has become money.

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YA: 

What say you?

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well bitcoin has value that is beyond how each one costs and  I think the author is missing that
the ability of transactions privately
without google fb and amazon following us.

blockchain may well be the disruptive tech that breaks the stranglehold on the big tech titans that now control the online world

some cryptos are already paying out dividends and payments for profits made from transactions

I have feeling as the cryptos mature they will probably all pay some sort of dividend
at least to those who make a stake

as for mining
using electricity
and eventually when the cost of mining becomes more than the cost of the electricity
I think there are other reasons that give bitcoin its value

Case in point - we get value from using our computers despite the marginal cost of the electricity to use them

I mean what is the cost of the electricity?


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quote author=ccp
"bitcoin has value that is beyond how each one costs and  I think the author is missing that
the ability of transactions privately
without google fb and amazon following us."


That was my understanding of it from the beginning, but I don't see how it can be a speculative with a wildly fluctuating value and also be a currency for routine transactions.

"blockchain may well be the disruptive tech that breaks the stranglehold on the big tech titans that now control the online world"

Yes.  I would think blockchain would be great for health records and other things that require security and privacy - if our government allows us security and privacy.

"I mean what is the cost of the electricity?"

The vast majority of the electricity cost in my state goes to foolish mandates on power companies.  If electricity is the crucial resource in mining bitcoin, that activity will have to go off shore or to development of some form of black market energy.  Cheap energy is mostly illegal in the US.

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To understand Bitcoin, it takes about a year or more of reading. Icons of wall street (Paul Tudor Jones, druckemiller, gugenheim, JP Morgan etc) are now big supporters of BTC. Dan Held from the Kraken exchange has a website in simple language explaining various facets of BTC. It answers questions like is BTC wasteful of energy, can govt ban it  etc. It is one of the better sites by an expert. It requires a free log-in, but is worth it.

https://danheld.substack.com/p/pow-is-efficent
https://danheld.substack.com/archive?utm_source=menu-dropdown

The short answer is that BTC is not wasteful as compared to gold mining or other activities.. Not only that, these days the trend is to use recycleable or wasted energy for mining. Texas is developing one of the largest mining operations in the world, it will use energy from methane and other oil byproduct gases that are currently burnt off into the air. Many cold countries set up mining equipment near water falls, where the energy is cheap and electricity costs due to transport of electricity are not there. Other central asian republics plan to use nuclear power to mine BTC!

Once you go down the BTC rabbit hole.. there is no turning back, you will learn of the immaculate conception of BTC.  All I can say is that all the issues raised on this board have been addressed by experts and are not a concern atleast to me..

eg volatility: BTC is only 11 years old, as the value increases, it is becoming less volatile. Once it reaches a few hundred thousand or a million $, it becomes a store of value and will have little volatility. BTC needs another decade before it becomes a stable currency.

BTC is perhaps the first time in history where Main St got in before Wall St!. The risk is that by the time BTC is widely accepted, it will be too late to buy. Already its hard for normal people to buy a whole BTC, but each BTC has 100 million satoshis, so everyone can afford some sats.

I advise everyone to do their own research and invest only what you can afford to lose.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/yields-surge-stunned-traders-learn-biden-propose-massive-2-trillion-stimulus

Best comment on the above article:

"An Illinois pension fund manager just took the gun barrel out of his mouth."


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10,000 will be a lot of money
« Reply #1144 on: January 14, 2021, 06:11:22 AM »
we should be able to buy two , not one packs of chewing gum for that big sum

at the rate we are going

Plus we could get the "rich" to pay for it all so it is "free" for all Democrat voters.

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gold is not without costs other than mining
cost of storing
in safe
safe deposit box
with secondary
such as brinks or fund etc
fees

supply not fixed  (compared to some crytos such as bitcoin)

also remember what a retail buyer pays for gold
who then tries to sell it to wholesaler
will get less than current market value


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gold is not without costs other than mining
cost of storing
in safe
safe deposit box
with secondary
such as brinks or fund etc
fees

supply not fixed  (compared to some crytos such as bitcoin)

also remember what a retail buyer pays for gold
who then tries to sell it to wholesaler
will get less than current market value

I went flying this morning, and was also thinking about this last night.

The entire concept is wrong.

The dollar isn't backed by gold or anything....at all.

Even if the dollar was backed by gold, the gold is useless by 94% of the earth's population outside of dentistry and electronics. They certainly won't be eating gold or using it directly to clothe themselves or build a house with it.

Anything outside of a sustenance based economy is artificial and fickle. King Midas. The US Dollar being backed by something....Bitcoin too for that matter....all fairy tales.

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Re: Money, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1147 on: January 14, 2021, 11:21:34 AM »
gold is not without costs other than mining
cost of storing
in safe
safe deposit box
with secondary
such as brinks or fund etc
fees

supply not fixed  (compared to some crytos such as bitcoin)

also remember what a retail buyer pays for gold
who then tries to sell it to wholesaler
will get less than current market value

I went flying this morning, and was also thinking about this last night.

The entire concept is wrong.

The dollar isn't backed by gold or anything....at all.

Even if the dollar was backed by gold, the gold is useless by 94% of the earth's population outside of dentistry and electronics. They certainly won't be eating gold or using it directly to clothe themselves or build a house with it.

Anything outside of a sustenance based economy is artificial and fickle. King Midas. The US Dollar being backed by something....Bitcoin too for that matter....all fairy tales.

FYI, the use of gold in dentistry has dwindled, not really needed anymore.
Would you rather have your teeth gold or white?
https://yourdentalhealthresource.com/when-is-gold-used-in-dentistry/

The trend is down in electronics too.
https://www.delltechnologies.com/en-us/blog/how-much-gold-is-in-smartphones-and-computers/
Silver is more conductive.  Copper is cheaper.  Gold is more resistant to corrosion.

The main 'uses' of gold are a store of value and jewelry, also a store of value.
https://www.physicalgold.com/insights/15-uses-gold/

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Re: Money, Dollar, bitcoin, crypto, Gold/Silver
« Reply #1148 on: January 14, 2021, 12:33:43 PM »
Quote from: DougMacG 

FYI, the use of gold in dentistry has dwindled, not really needed anymore.
Would you rather have your teeth gold or white?
[url
https://yourdentalhealthresource.com/when-is-gold-used-in-dentistry/[/url]

The trend is down in electronics too.
https://www.delltechnologies.com/en-us/blog/how-much-gold-is-in-smartphones-and-computers/
Silver is more conductive.  Copper is cheaper.  Gold is more resistant to corrosion.

The main 'uses' of gold are a store of value and jewelry, also a store of value.
https://www.physicalgold.com/insights/15-uses-gold/

Thank you. I didn't realize that.

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Sometime back I was in India at a gold shop. If you want to sell gold, they melt it and check on a spectrophotometer for purity. Thats an added expense and hassle. There were several reports over the last year on Zero Hedge, where they showed the gold bars deposited in NY banks were filled with tungsten.