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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, Democrat Party going forward
« Reply #2150 on: November 07, 2024, 12:52:56 PM »
My hope was this election would force or steer Democrats toward the center for the good of the country, and to win elections.

But instead the opposite is happening. Kamala says fight fight fight and in the Senate we still have Adam Schiff, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren but we have lost Manchin, Tester and Sherrod Brown.

As they start to point the blame from person to person, no one blames the policies.

Right now there is no movement in the party to fix what is wrong.

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blame blame blame, the war is on!!!
« Reply #2151 on: November 07, 2024, 02:27:49 PM »
Blaming the for all the wrong reasons:

I love this one:

not long ago it was "I LOVE YOU JOE" ,  you were wonderful, a great President up there with Harry Truman Eisenhower Reagan and close to Brock.....[regarding the last one, well not quite that magnificent]

Now he sucks and is hated.
It will very interesting how the "historians" rate him now.   Does he stay near the top or fall to the bottom of the list next to Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan and Warren Harding, as per Bill O'Reilly?  [and James Earle Carter who lives forever]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/legacy-in-tatters-reeling-democrats-blame-biden-for-harris-loss/ar-AA1tHlpU?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=56b4507cc74447f3b40a9337697217bd&ei=16
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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, Woman President
« Reply #2152 on: November 08, 2024, 06:35:50 AM »
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/11/08/harris-concession-voters-sexist-women/76110290007/
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She was "qualified" and he was an "adjudicated rapist". He won, therefore "sexism". Nothing else to the story.

As is common, nothing but first level thinking  there, and failure to provide the easy answer to the question posed.

She is adequately resumed but didn't earn her place on the ticket and didn't earn a promotion. Biden Harris is an 'adjudicated' failed Presidency.  Her Administration did not provide peace, prosperity or security to the nation in the eyes of the majority of the voters. Denial is not a river in Egypt. It's right here in this column. She didn't win a primary, she didn't ever say what she would have done differently, and she couldn't successfully argue that the people were better off than they were four years previously.

On the "rape" charge, author does not believe in the statute of limitations, an essential element of adjudicated law. The voters didn't vote for a rapist; they didn't believe the accuser or agree with the (civil court) New York jury. The majority saw a politically motivated witch trial. And the adjudication was not rape, that is misinformation, disinformation.

The sexism charge is absurd. When the ticket was switched from a man to a woman her support went up, not down. When they took a closer look at the individual, her support went down. Ironically, she was in that position because of gender preference over merit. That observation comes from the person who chose her. In the 2020 Democratic primary race, it was Bernie Sanders who earned the number two spot, not her.

If we really wanted a woman president, she could fulfill her responsibilities under the 25th Amendment, instead of keeping her promise to Joe, to not do her job in that regard.

If the party labels were reversed, keeping a back room promise over fulfilling a constitutional responsibility would be toxic for her. Instead her loyalty to him is expected, and respected.
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« Reply #2153 on: November 08, 2024, 07:41:53 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/axelrod-democrats-becoming-smarty-pants-suburban-college-educated-party/ar-AA1tK44m?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=7d372e0d5ed9478c8f719db820996944&ei=24

It is NEVER an admission that their policies are no good , only that their messaging is not correct.

Let's see =

1+3 = 4 doesn't work
so try 2+2 =4  oops that did not work
How about 4+0 = 4 goodness that did not work either
so we should have tried 1+1+1+1 = 4 

They simply never say 4 is the WRONG answer.

Logic in their own minds not in reality.


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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2154 on: November 08, 2024, 09:39:34 AM »
what in tarnation is going on in the Congressional districts that still can't call who won?

Mostly California

Arizona  R this time but

only one in reliable R state - Alaska

rest are all Democrat states

they looking for ballots or just don't know how to count?

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2155 on: November 08, 2024, 10:11:14 AM »


they looking for ballots or just don't know how to count?

Yes. Particularly if it serves their interests.

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Bet They Blame Trump for Dropping Them on Their Head at Birth, Too
« Reply #2157 on: November 08, 2024, 03:16:14 PM »
I can’t even.

Resisting the urge to place bets with all the people I’m encountering around work, online, or in passing predicting Trump supporters are about to sweep across the nation like Ghengis Khan locust zombie Jehovah Witnesses tattooing the tenets of Project 2025 backwards on “Progressive” foreheads so they are forced to peruse them every time they brush their teeth while and fetching the slippers of any fellow that demands they do so. There is some serious money to be made.

Think I’m foolin’? Behold:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/11/leftist-women-absolutely-lose-it-after-donald-trumps-election-victory/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leftist-women-absolutely-lose-it-after-donald-trumps-election-victory

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Yup, the Centrists were to Blame, Run with That
« Reply #2158 on: November 09, 2024, 06:06:21 AM »
Sheezus, of course it’s “Progressive” looney tunes, but by all means keep pretending like you didn’t veer off the left side of the map into the land of babbling lunacy:

Democrats' election reckoning pits liberals against centrists
The Hill News / by Mike Lillis / Nov 9, 2024 at 6:27 AM

The Democrats’ shellacking at the polls this week has triggered a feisty battle between the ideological wings of the party about what went wrong — and who bears the blame.

Some liberals say the party didn’t tack far enough to the left to animate the base. Many centrists say it tacked too far to the left and scared away moderate voters in key battleground states. And Democratic leaders are now faced with the difficulty of working to ease the tensions and ally the feuding factions in order to form a unified front against President-elect Trump as he prepares to enter the White House for his second term.

“It will be a big challenge,” said Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.), former chair of the House Democratic Caucus.

The debate is hardly new. Democrats have repeatedly clashed over the party’s strategy after tough election cycles, and the battle lines are the same now as then, pitting liberals vs. moderates.

But this year the stakes were higher.

Heading into the polls this week, Democrats had warned that Trump was an existential threat to the nation’s democratic foundations, and their fight to keep him from regaining power was was framed as nothing less than an effort to rescue the republic and the institutions that sustain it. Following Trump’s runaway victory over Vice President Harris on Tuesday, the internal dispute over the party’s strategy, message and direction has taken on a new level of urgency and intensity.

For some, the party’s woes revolve around mis-messaging on kitchen-table economic issues, like inflation, wages and the accelerating trend of wealth inequality. For others, the trouble stems from the explosive debate over the Israel-Hamas war. For still others, the problems relate to culture war battles, including that over transgender rights.

Whatever the issue, Tuesday’s election results — and the subsequent reckoning that’s shaking the Democrats — is sure to consume all the oxygen in the party for some time to come as leaders, lawmakers, donors and strategists sift through the ashes in search of answers for why so many voters left them for Trump this year.

The early stages of that process are spilling into public view.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a liberal icon who has built a career around issues of economic justice, made waves this week when he said there was “no great surprise” that working class voters had fled the Democrats because the party establishment had “abandoned” them in favor of moneyed interests.

“The American people are angry and want change. And they’re right,” he said.

Moderates countered that it was, in fact, the progressive movement that had doomed Harris and the Democrats on Election Day. Many of them singled out the issue of transgender rights as the culprit — an issue the Trump campaign had put under a bright spotlight with tens of millions of dollars in spending on late-campaign, anti-trans ads.

Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-N.Y.), who won by 2 points this week in a battleground Long Island district, told The New York Times that the Democrats are struggling because they are “pandering to the far left.”

“I don’t want to discriminate against anybody, but I don’t think biological boys should be playing in girls’ sports,” he said. 

Rep. Greg Landsman (D-Ohio) told CNN's Kasie Hunt that “there are folks on the far left who alienate a ton of people,” pointing to the transgender debate as an example.

And Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.) echoed those warnings, telling the Times that Democrats are too concerned about offending the transgender community at the expense of addressing “the challenges many Americans face.”

“I have two little girls, I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat I’m supposed to be afraid to say that,” Moulton told the Times.

The comments sparked some pushback from other Democrats on Capitol Hill, who accused the culture war critics of scapegoating.

“The Democratic Party needs to do some serious introspection to understand what went wrong and why our message isn’t resonating or reaching people,” Rep. Sara Jacobs (D-Calif.) posted on social platform X. “But one thing’s for sure — blaming trans kids isn’t the answer.”

Other lawmakers noted that virtually no Democrats had focused their campaigns on the transgender issue this cycle. It was Republicans, they said, who exaggerated the Democrats’ support for trans rights in order to sow division and win votes.

“That's the problem. The Republicans created this strawman and then beat the shit out of it,” a Democratic lawmaker said. “I just don't think any Democrats I know were out there rooting for biological boys to compete with biological girls in high school sports. This is just not something that we were talking about or prioritizing. But to hear Republicans, that was like our whole agenda.

“Trump, literally, was telling people that your child is going to come home from school one day with a gender reassignment.”

Democrats are hardly the only party facing internal divisions.

Since House Republicans took control of the lower chamber last year, their time in power has been practically defined by clashes between far-right conservatives, many of them in the Freedom Caucus, and party leaders and their more moderate allies. The divisions have prevented GOP leaders from passing even the most basic legislation, like bills to fund the federal government, without significant Democratic support.

In the midst of their internal policy fights, Republicans toppled a sitting Speaker, Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), for the first time in the nation's history and expelled another member of their conference, former Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.), over corruption allegations that are expected to land him in prison early next year.

Still, for all the chaos, Republicans were able to flip control of the Senate and White House, and they have the edge in the battle for the House, although it remains too close to call as the last ballots are counted and the last races are formalized.

Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, a centrist Washington Democrat representing a Trump-won district, is leading in her race for a second term. She told the Times this week that her party is struggling because too many lawmakers fail to grasp the hardships facing working class voters — and talk down to them as a result.

“No one is listening to anything else you say if you try to talk them out of their lived experiences with data points from some economists,” she told the Times.

As Congress prepares to return to Washington next week, Larson emphasized the difficulty facing Democrats as they seek to be a welcoming “big-tent” party that can appeal to a broad array of voters without offending others. He warned against abandoning party values in the quest for that broader appeal, but acknowledged that the message probably needs some work.

“In the case of all 435 districts, you're going to hear different things — both culturally, and also in terms of economics,” he said. “It doesn't mean you abandon the ideas and the sense of equality for all Americans. But there are perhaps better ways to state it, and show it, and demonstrate it, instead of having it perceived by the other side that this is all that we stand for.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4981839-democrats-battle-election-loss/

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ignored "working" Americans
« Reply #2159 on: November 09, 2024, 06:26:16 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-democrats-pay-the-price-for-ignoring-working-americans/ar-AA1tKzVO?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=a02a2998bbff4731b0227954a40e52de&ei=24

What about ignoring conservative values?

What about ignoring globalists?

What about destroying the economy while taking climate change?

What about rampant sending?

What about high taxation?

What about the totally open border?

What about demonizing half the country?

What about lawfare?

I could go on.

This is there out now.  They just need to speak more to "working Americans"

The party of blue collars.

Meantime continue to tax spend redistribute wealth
scream racism continue to divide us into race religion gender groups.

Continue to give away our sovereignty.

Nothing will change with them  - except their messaging about the same old tired BS.

Continue to lie to us day in and out.  Have a media complex deny Trump any credit and blame everywhere they can dream of.

etc.

They are still shit and will remain so.

Axeldouche points out we college educated talk down to blue collar workers.  Well not kidding.  But that still misidentifies their real problems with half the country .   We don't like what your policies are period.

It is NOT simply a messaging problem.  Your platform sucks !!!!
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They Weren’t Asleep, But Prefer a Voting Public that Is
« Reply #2160 on: November 09, 2024, 09:08:51 AM »
Check out the big brain on Carl, using the last set of falsehoods to tee up the next set pretending to explain What Dems Did Wrong when in fact setting the stage for the next set of fables they’re gonna vend. Yo Mr. Meacham, what’s all this Biden blame assignment? Do you think we are too stupid to understand he is little more than an ambulatory corpse meant to throw centrist shade as his “Progressive” puppet masters pulled the strings?

Oh, and nice how you again rolled out the well debunked Charlottesville talking point, yet didn’t quite get around to mulling all the Hitler comparisons. You know, in case the latter proves useful down the line, eh? And of course all the Russia stuff was memoryholed, along with an accurate consideration of all the lawfare Trump endured, though I guess we should be grateful you spoke of the “capitol riots” rather than an insurrection….

But yeah, call this a wake up call as you seek to lull us to sleep:

America’s wake-up call: Who was asleep at the helm?
The Hill News / by Carl Meacham / Nov 9, 2024 at 11:19 AM

In an election that will be studied and debated for years to come, Donald Trump’s return to the White House marks not only his resurgence but also a profound shift in American politics.

This was no fluke; it was a clear, if unsettling, choice by the American people — a choice that challenges many assumptions about the political landscape and signals a seismic realignment.

Despite President Biden’s experience, he failed to connect with the public on issues like inflation, living costs, immigration and institutional disillusionment. Many viewed him as out of touch and clinging to the past while the country moved on. His administration’s perceived lack of urgency on these concerns left an opening for Trump’s populist message.

Biden missed the moment to step aside, which could have allowed a new generation to mount a robust response to Trump. Instead, Democrats’ loyalty to him clouded their judgment. When Kamala Harris stepped forward, she was tied to an administration that had worn thin with the public, leaving her with the impossible task of rejuvenating a weary base while countering Trump’s energized movement.

Democrats underestimated Trump’s appeal by refusing to confront Biden’s unpopularity and shifting public sentiment. They treated concerns about Biden’s viability as secondary, pushing a narrative of unity that proved out-of-step with a nation restless for change.

Trump’s win underscores a dramatic realignment, particularly among working-class voters, a demographic that once leaned heavily toward Democrats. The party that was once for the working man and woman has drifted toward an identity-driven, elitist brand of politics, increasingly alienating blue-collar voters.

This shift gave Trump the opening he needed to reshape the GOP as a populist, anti-establishment refuge for Americans disillusioned with both parties. Trump’s campaign appealed to these voters as Americans first, cutting across racial and ethnic lines to focus on economic and security concerns.

Trump’s ability to attract not only white working-class voters but also growing numbers of Latino and Black voters speaks to his success in reframing the Republican Party as the party that listens to economic frustrations and skepticism of “the system.”

Concerns about immigration — particularly its impact on job competition and resources — resonated with Trump’s message. This new coalition of voters, diverse in background but united in their rejection of the establishment, represents a lasting political shift. Analysts had predicted Trump could never win over these groups without celebrity endorsements, yet he appealed to workers, small business owners and families with real concerns about their security and economic future.

This election wasn’t just a referendum on Trump’s personality or policies; it is a decisive rejection of the status quo and of a Democratic Party which, under Biden’s leadership, struggled to answer the needs of everyday Americans. For many voters, the Democrats had become the party of condescension, dismissing economic anxieties or, worse, telling people that their concerns about living costs or border security were just the result of a misunderstanding.

For Trump, this victory is not just a return to power but a mandate to reshape American democracy.

Despite his controversial response to the 2017 Charlottesville rally, two impeachments, the Capitol riot, his conviction on 34 felony counts in New York and his refusal to accept the 2020 election results, voters were undeterred. The two assassination attempts during his campaign only reinforced his image as a disruptor. Trump’s supporters saw him as a symbol of defiance against a distrusted establishment.

Trump’s victory completes a journey that began in 2016, when he first captured the White House with a message of disruption. This time, however, his win signals a deeper political realignment. Americans no longer see Trump as an anomaly; he has become the embodiment of a movement — a populist wave that has reshaped the Republican Party and American politics more broadly.

This realignment means that we are entering an era where the principles underpinning U.S. democracy are more openly questioned, where economic frustrations take precedence over traditional democratic values, and where promises to end “woke” politics resonate more with everyday Americans than any pledge to return to normalcy.

For Democrats, the loss should prompt serious soul-searching. If they hope to win back the electorate, they must reconnect with the concerns of working-class Americans and move beyond identity-based coalitions that, for many, feel divorced from day-to-day realities. Addressing economic anxieties, the strain of high living costs, and worries about immigration and security may be the only way to regain the support of those who feel increasingly alienated by the party.

In the end, Trump’s second term represents not only a victory for his vision but a mandate from the American people to challenge the status quo — and the beginning of a new political era in America.

Whether this realignment strengthens or weakens American democracy remains an open question. As the nation moves forward, the uncertainty lingers: Will Trump’s return usher in a more responsive government, or will it deepen divisions and challenge democratic norms in ways yet unseen?

This is a choice with consequences that may take years to fully understand, and the path ahead for both parties will determine how the country faces those looming uncertainties.

Carl Meacham is president and CEO of Global Americans, a think tank on U.S. policy towards the Americas.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4979865-americas-wake-up-call-who-was-asleep-at-the-helm/

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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, The Blame Game
« Reply #2161 on: November 11, 2024, 01:20:46 PM »
As this national electoral thrashing  becomes more and more clear, the various explanations from the Left become necessary.

I weigh in only because they are.

We hear Kamala ran a flawless campaign.  But running a flawless campaign was not possible because she was caught between her old positions and her necessary new ones. She was caught between promising a bright future and running on a dismal past. She tried the insanity plea with no success, we will continue with the same policies but you can expect better results.  This election was decided by the policies of the Biden Administration (of which she was allegedly a key part), and their results.

The fault of 2024 goes to Barack Obama and his behind the scenes brain trust who never let go of power and handed Joe all the wrong policies and the wrong people.

Starting with 2008, it was Barack Obama who picked Joe, a so-called moderate centrist to balance his extreme left views and voting record.  That helped him get elected president with less than one term in the US Senate, but it hurt him in every other way.

Then we had Hillary, which seemed to be some kind of payback for whatever really happened in 2008. Hillary, with all her baggage, was not the best choice in 2016, proven in the election.

And then we had Joe, picked by Jim Clyburn, with all the appearances of a larger deal cut behind the scenes, as all the other moderate candidates quickly dropped out. Joe was seen as the only one who could ace out front runner Bernie Sanders, who was considered unelectable, to be easily defeated by Trump. Socialism was not something to be said aloud in public.

Who picked Kamala to be Joe's running mate. It was Joe, but who was in his ear with the most influence making that happen? Of course it was Barack Obama and his people, selling identity politics and promising the face of a woman 'of color'. Wasn't she Obama's first choice in the first place?

It's not a theory that he chose her on criteria of being a woman, of color. He said it for all to hear. Then they had the short list of women of color, and then he picked Kamala Harris. It had to do with strategy but also to do with a back room promise made to Jim Clyburn who somehow swung the key primaries to Joe.

The plan was, since Joe was considered a moderate and it would be a turnout election, he needed someone from the left wing of the party to balance the ticket. So far, so good.

Joe got elected but did not govern as a centrist. He canceled a key pipeline in his first hour in office. The only reason to cancel the flow of petroleum instead of banning the product was to drive up the price. Driving up the price of energy drove up the price of everything. A concept so simple that even Trump could get a handle on it.

Skip forward. The the record of Biden Harris was atrocious because of left-wing policies and the chosen successor was completely associated with the left-wing policies that brought on the disastrous results.

So we had Joe running but losing and dropping out, and suddenly we had Kamala at the top of the ticket.

Very quickly Kamala reversed positions nearly all of her 2019 presidential campaign. She now favored fracking and fossil fuels, but everyone knows that is BS, saying whatever you need to say to get elected. Kamala thought of the policy of not taxing tips about a month after Trump announced the same thing. Good luck with that. Kamala no longer wanted to ban private health insurance. Explanation?  None given.

Kamala's biggest decision, only real decision, was to choose a running mate and she chose Minnesota Governor Tim Walz. The leftmost senator, now Vice president, chose a leftmost governor to run on a ticket of moderate centrism. Again, good luck with that.

She could have chosen Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro but likely he didn't want the job, and likely that wouldn't have changed the outcome.

Had she picked Shapiro, and if he proved to be a great candidate, people would see that the ticket was upside down. Assuming he is a skilled, common sense moderate, what good does it do to have that person as Vice President, attending foreign funerals?

No, the fault goes back to the choosing of Joe, the choosing of Kamala, and the choosing of the policies, and as far as we know, that was all the handiwork of a former president named Barack Obama.

For the good of the party and the good of the country, may he leave Washington DC soon and enjoy a wonderful retirement.
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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2162 on: November 11, 2024, 01:42:36 PM »
amen .


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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, Biden and Trump to have lunch
« Reply #2163 on: November 12, 2024, 09:24:27 AM »
Pretty minor news story that Biden invites Trump to the White House for lunch on Tuesday, but...

If you were the president of the United States and your successor was Hitler, would you invite him over for lunch if he won? For unity??  With the Fascists?

What's wrong with this picture? Were they lying to us all along?

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Get woke go broke, Aspen Ski Corp
« Reply #2164 on: November 12, 2024, 11:38:47 AM »
https://theaspenbeat.com/2024/11/10/aspen-skiing-company-joins-the-resistance/

(I guess they're not taking the unity pledge.)

I will take my business elsewhere.

Although they all seem to be woke and believing that snowfall will be a thing of the past.

Lake Tahoe ski resorts shatter snowfall records, 2023.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/tahoe/article/tahoe-ski-resorts-snow-record-17878101.php


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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2165 on: November 12, 2024, 02:29:32 PM »
I don't ski

but when I think of Aspen I think

silicon valley snobs
wall street snobs
democrat partisan snobs
celebrity snobs
globalists
DEI evangelists
Massachusetts California NY elites
Maybe a few European Union types or World Bank or WTF types thrown in the mix

or basically the Davos crowd


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Democrat Party is pulled in the wrong direction
« Reply #2166 on: November 13, 2024, 09:39:07 AM »
Moderates are losing for being unable to separate themselves from the politics and policies of the far left (which they supported). Without the moderates, the party becomes even more far left.
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This pretty well sums it up.

"The party's attempt to merge progressive identity positions with moderate aesthetics has produced something that appeals to neither group, resulting in the departure of genuine moderates like Arizona Sen. Krysten Sinema and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin."

(and Bob Casey, Jon Tester and Sherrod Brown)

https://www.realclearpennsylvania.com/articles/2024/11/12/casey_wont_admit_defeat_but_heres_why_he_lost_1071750.html

And previously they lost moderate Dems like Tom Daschle, South Dakota, Heidi Heitkamp, North Dakota, Bill Nelson, Florida, Arlene Specter, Pennsylvania, remember Bob Kerry Nebraska and the list goes on. They're gone. Is Angus King the last moderate, and what did he vote moderately on?

With a little irony, is Fetterman the last sane Democrat?   :wink:
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Re: Democrat Party is pulled in the wrong direction
« Reply #2167 on: November 13, 2024, 11:52:31 AM »
Moderates are losing for being unable to separate themselves from the politics and policies of the far left (which they supported). Without the moderates, the party becomes even more far left.
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This pretty well sums it up.

"The party's attempt to merge progressive identity positions with moderate aesthetics has produced something that appeals to neither group, resulting in the departure of genuine moderates like Arizona Sen. Krysten Sinema and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin."

(and Bob Casey, Jon Tester and Sherrod Brown)

https://www.realclearpennsylvania.com/articles/2024/11/12/casey_wont_admit_defeat_but_heres_why_he_lost_1071750.html

And previously they lost moderate Dems like Tom Daschle, South Dakota, Heidi Heitkamp, North Dakota, Bill Nelson, Florida, Arlene Specter, Pennsylvania, remember Bob Kerry Nebraska and the list goes on. They're gone. Is Angus King the last moderate, and what did he vote moderately on?

With a little irony, is Fetterman the last sane Democrat?   :wink:
I’ve read various pieces stating the lesson of this election is that Dems aren’t “Progressive” enough. I heartily agree and hope they fully embrace a hard swing to the left. That, said w/ tongue in cheek, will serve the nation very well indeed.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2168 on: November 13, 2024, 02:02:12 PM »
I get what you're saying, including the tongue in cheek. I attribute all my success in sports to... weak opponents. Without them I'm nothing.

On the other side of the same coin, since they have roughly a 50/50 chance of winning each election, I sort of wish they could be a little more sane and normal.

I just heard another first-hand story of a business currently fighting the state government of Minnesota. Sparing the details, nobody should be subject to their fascist, irrational, all-powerful insanity.  One size fits no one regulations and no elected official has a fingerprint on it.

Rule by the far Left isn't a hypothetical.

Imagine for a moment if in 2007-2008 Democrats foolishly got behind their leftmost Senator, still in a first term, no foreign policy experience, and Republicans chose their safest, most trusted moderate to capture the entire middle and he picked a conservative woman Governor to lock in the right... imagine how badly we would whoop them, oops. 16 years into this we (still) have irrepealable government healthcare, an economy underperforming by trillions per year - and he almost won a fourth term.

Be afraid.   (


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« Reply #2169 on: November 13, 2024, 02:22:13 PM »
Oh I am, particularly as I live in the belly of the beast. These yo-yos have imbedded themselves deep into all sorts of institutions that have significant power, and aren’t shy about using it methodically and savagely. Currently, though, I think a lot of people see them as having taken a bridge too far, what w/ their “boys can wish themselves into girls” among other orthodoxies that make many shake their heads that I hope the double down on before excising those of their general supporters they consider too heterodox, and generally self-immolate.

I don’t think it will happen. Rather I think the will take a page. From the Harris book, mouth centrist platitudes, wander about fields wearing camo while sport a shotgun they don’t grasp the manual of arms for, and let their media allies present them as new and improved. I suspect the best way to contend with this impending ropeadope is a full speed ahead sprint that improves things for most Americans while giving lie to the doomsaying mouthed as an effort to exert further control, though that path is fraught with danger, and numerous variable loom along the way.

But if Elon colonizes Mars and needs any geezer operations pros, I’m in….

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My impression of Aspen confirmed
« Reply #2171 on: November 14, 2024, 06:15:56 AM »
https://www.the-sun.com/news/12887238/jeff-bezos-lauren-sanchez-wedding-aspen-christmas/

though a few R's from Mn make it a cool destination nonetheless.   :-D

Bezos deserves his glory and enjoyment of his massive success.  Just wish he straightened out the WP several yrs ago.   


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« Reply #2173 on: November 17, 2024, 05:53:28 AM »

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Psaki claims no clear leader of the Dems
« Reply #2176 on: November 18, 2024, 07:20:13 AM »
To me the significance is she does not mention BHO who is trying to get his people into the mix aka Axelrod inserting Emanual as head of DNC

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2024/11/18/psaki-dems-lost-in-wilderness-n2647910

Seems like Clintonites are in the past.

But neither team will stop trying.

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Leon Panetta hypocracy
« Reply #2177 on: November 19, 2024, 07:02:35 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/11/19/leon-panetta-bidens-national-security-record-not-one-that-really-stood-strong/

funny
I thought he told us Biden was really capable
I thought he told us Trump was a big threat

Didn't he sign on to that intelligence report disparaging DJT?

There were times I liked him.  And there other times I have heard him shredding any respect I ever had for him.

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2178 on: November 19, 2024, 07:25:51 AM »
Very chummy with Hillary, with whom he co-served.


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Elizabeth Warren used to be a Republican
« Reply #2180 on: November 24, 2024, 12:58:13 PM »

From Wikipedia , though it sounds like she did not vote for Reagan or GHBush:



Political affiliation
A close high-school friend told Politico in 2019 that in high school Warren was a "diehard conservative" and that she had since done a "180-degree turn and an about-face".[36] One of her colleagues at the University of Texas in Austin said that at university in the early 1980s Warren was "sometimes surprisingly anti-consumer in her attitude".[36] Gary L. Francione, who had been a colleague of hers at the University of Pennsylvania, recalled in 2019 that when he heard her speak at the time she was becoming politically prominent, he "almost fell off [his] chair... She's definitely changed".[36] Warren was registered as a Republican from 1991 to 1996[1] and voted Republican for many years. "I was a Republican because I thought that those were the people who best supported markets", she has said.[18] But she has also said that in the six presidential elections before 1996 she voted for the Republican nominee only once, in 1976, for Gerald Ford.[36]

Warren has said that she began to vote Democratic in 1995 because she no longer believed that the Republicans were the party who best supported markets, but she has said she has voted for both parties because she believed neither should dominate.[63] According to Warren, she left the Republican Party because it is no longer "principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets" and is instead tilting the playing field in favor of large financial institutions and against middle-class American families.[64][65]

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Cognitive Dissonance Left Economics, Slate
« Reply #2181 on: November 26, 2024, 07:52:08 AM »
"... the Biden administration’s aggressive post-COVID economic policy, which by all accounts engineered a remarkable comeback from pandemic-era hits to the economy. There were no further recessions, despite the panic from the financial press, and the labor market even came close to full employment. Yet the surge in prices was a worldwide phenomenon, with climate and war shocks adding to market woes everywhere."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/joe-biden-kamala-harris-economy-vibes-inflation-unemployment.html

This is pretty much the argument I heard from a Democrat 'friend'. Strong economic growth and low employment sums up the Biden (Harris) years, and the inflation was global, in other worde not the fault of anyone here.

In the Political Economics thread I have tried to tie economic polivie to economic results for 52 long internet pages.

The smartest of my Dem friends still think economic results are random, not tied to policies. No, they don't read the forum.

Back to the above:

1. Low unemployment? 38-39% of working age adults are not in the labor force, and not counted as unemployed. Of those working, a good number of those working work public sector jobs, federal, state and local, good for them and many most are absolutely needed but it is only the private sector that pays the bills.

2. Great growth?  We weren't coming out of a recession, we were coming out of as closed economy. Entire blue states were still closed under Trump, opened under Biden, and achieved 2% growth??

Scott Grannis gas a series of charts that show this going back to when Dems took power in Washington in 2007.  Our growth rate as a line on the graph under what is and should be the long term growth rate of the economy, 3.1%, under performing year after year after year. The area between the lines represents trillions and trillions and trillions of economic activity that never occurred, because of restrictive policies.

Great economy, but then why do some 70 or 80% of the people say we are on the wrong track?

3. Inflation was a global phenomenon, not caused by our policies?  Without mention that we spend 40% more than we take in?

Isn't it exactly ass backwards? The US leads the world. We led the world into debt. We led the world into inflation. And we were on a path to lead the world into collapse.

Denial of all that was not a winning strategy this time around.

Now, while we try to solve it, what do they say?  Resist!  Smear the cabinet appointees, etc.  Stop the reforms! Stop real economic growth in every way they can! Then blamed the other side for dismal results.
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More faulty left analysis, (IMHO)
« Reply #2182 on: November 26, 2024, 11:09:52 AM »
"Did Democrats run too far to the Left?"
https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2024-11-25-did-democrats-run-too-far-left/

   - No. They governed too far to the left. They tried to run to the center and no one believed them.

There isn't a brand of left economics that works. We had the Bernie program that they called populism. But it was tried in Venezuela Etc. Failed everywhere it has been tried. Nothing new about it.

Left economics increases income inequality. Measure it. It happened under Biden. It happened under newsome. It happened under obama. It simply doesn't perform the way it is sold. Government programs create dependency and high taxes inhibit economic activity, productivity gains and economic growth. Overspending creates inflation and inflation is the worst tax of all on the middle and lower classes.

It's a failure. It doesn't need tweaking, or better messaging. At a bare minimum, it needs triangulating.

Take a look at what Clinton did. Clinton had two terms, and I don't mean the 4-year ones. The first two years he governed with the Democratic Congress and he moved the country to the left. The last 6 years he governed with Newt Gingrich and Republican majorities in Congress and largely with Republican economic policies. It's easy to measure what happened. Real wage growth was eight times faster in the last 6 years then in the first two years. At the end of that. They balance the budget. People that had been on welfare were proud of their new jobs. The nation benefited. The world benefited.

And absolutely nothing was learned from it on the Left.


Does anyone remember when liberal meant open minded? Open minded enough to learn what works and what doesn't work, it's not rocket science. Not just what story matches a pre-existing narrative.

After losing to presidential elections the Democrats turn to their furthest left senator in 2008, the way they did in 2024.

Sorry to say, and maybe there's a nicer way of saying it, they are stuck on stupid.

Here's some free advice for them. Adopt policies that grow the economy like crazy. Maximize revenues to the treasury, and that happens with low rates. Give up on the income inequality fight. With this growth, find the best ways to use these new revenues to help the real needy, like real liberals would want to do.

Creating dependency and having people sign contracts to stay poor to stay on programs is the opposite of helping them. Learn that or keep failing.
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« Reply #2183 on: November 26, 2024, 06:16:46 PM »
I've read she had a genius level IQ.

Funny how in one person a stroke can affect that person one way and in another person the opposite.

Compare what a loon she sounds like compared to Fetterman:

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2024/11/26/sharon-stone-trump-won-because-of-uneducated-americans-who-dont-travel-abroad/


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Why They Lost
« Reply #2185 on: December 03, 2024, 01:52:06 AM »
"Harris generally played well the very poor hand Biden bequeathed her"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/12/harris-team-election/680844/?utm_source=msn

Nonsense.  She wasn't a victim.  Joe left her to play a hand no worse than it would have been if she was President the whole four years. She couldn't "separate herself" or credible move to the center because these policies were her policies too.

She was to the Left of Joe all along. Economically, that means she was to the dysfunction side of Joe, not that she has some kind of unicorn socialism that would have worked.

She was to the center from Joe on NOTHING.
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Cog Dissonance Left, circular lection splainin, What if woke is not broke?
« Reply #2186 on: December 04, 2024, 06:03:44 AM »
What if woke is not broke?
https://archive.is/aqvdB

More here at Slate.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/joe-biden-kamala-harris-economy-vibes-inflation-unemployment.html

They keep hitting truth and bouncing right off it.

1. It's the excessive spending that led to the inflation.

2. The war on energy raised the cost of nearly everything.

3. The border is open, making us less secure, and less prosperous.

(You can't have generous, easy social spending programs, open borders  and fiscal responsibility, choose one.)

They hit those reasons and bounce off citing "misinformation".

But if you cared about those issues, and 80% do, then Biden Harris and the Dem machine wasn't your best vehicle.

"Misinformation" is why Dems didn't lose by more.




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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2188 on: December 04, 2024, 12:26:09 PM »
addendum:

Schmo
/SHmō/
noun

1.
a stupid person:
informal North American
"the jerk disappeared—the tall schmo with the voice up his nose"

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Code Pink Seeing Orange (on Ukraine)
« Reply #2189 on: December 18, 2024, 09:26:58 AM »
From the worldwideweb, hat tip Instapundit:

"... can’t think of another high-level politician in America (other than Trump) who’s saying, stop the war, stop the killing, stop the destruction. Cease fire. Negotiate a settlement. Peace. Not one. WTF? How can that be? On this fact alone, if you hate Donald Trump, it’s time for an agonizin’ reappraisal.”
...
 “Not a peep from Code Pink, not when they’re seeing Orange.”

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« Reply #2190 on: December 18, 2024, 10:38:50 AM »
good questions

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If the Left isn't a cult, then why...
« Reply #2192 on: December 26, 2024, 09:21:40 AM »
Former Finance Chair Lindy Li asks, if the left isn't a cult then why do they try to destroy anyone who tries to leave?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/12/24/former_dnc_finance_director_harris_campaign_set_25_billion_on_fire_team_trump_more_humane_to_me_than_dnc.html

They burned through two and a half billion dollars, including paying for endorsements and putting Kamala's head on the sphere. No one knows where all the money went. No accountability. No results from it.

You will hear more from her soon when she joins the other side.
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« Reply #2193 on: December 26, 2024, 12:48:14 PM »
She might be good for DOGE.

The graft has got to be unbelievable

reminds me of the Clinton "foundation" 

everyone knows it is a money laudering scam.

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The Pathological Idealism of James Earl Carter
« Reply #2194 on: December 31, 2024, 07:22:28 AM »
Elsewhere around here we've posted various pieces re the uncritical embrace of unmitigated hokum practiced by "Progressives" over the past decade plus, with Biden serving as a decrepit emblem of that doddering edifice. That uncritical embrace of "Progressive" expediency, however, did not arise fully formed: that ground was plowed by others all too willing to dodge raw reality in favor of unrealizable ideals, with the pathological clench of those ideals serving to bulwark one's bona fides in "Progressive" circles, rather than marking one as a candidate for protective restraint. Jimmy Carter epitomizes this tendency, a tendency all the current eulogies further when a stake should be driven through the heart of those pompous, failed ideals instead:

Jimmy Carter Was a Terrible President — and an Even Worse Former President

By PHILIP KLEIN

December 29, 2024 5:48 PM

The truth is that historians have not been harsh enough.

A popular narrative surrounding the legacy of Jimmy Carter is that as president he was a victim of unlucky timing that impeded him politically but that he excelled during his long post-presidential career. The reality is that he was a terrible president but an even worse former president.

Carter’s true legacy is one of economic misery at home and embarrassment on the world stage. He left the country in its weakest position of the post–World War II era. After being booted out of office in landslide fashion, the self-described “citizen of the world” spent the rest of his life meddling in U.S. foreign policy and working against the United States and its allies in a manner that could fairly be described as treasonous. His obsessive hatred of Israel, and pompous belief that only he could forge Middle East peace, led him to befriend terrorists and lash out at American Jews who criticized him.

A former governor of Georgia who had little charisma and national name recognition when he began campaigning for president, Carter ended up in the White House as a fluke. He presented an image as an honest, moderate, and humble southern Evangelical Christian outsider — an antidote to the corruption of the Watergate era. He also benefited from the vulnerabilities of the sitting president, Gerald Ford.

Once in office as an unlikely president, Carter spent his one and only term showing the American people, and the rest of the world, that he was not up to the job.

When he took the presidential oath in January 1977, the unemployment rate was a high 7.5 percent; when he left office in January 1981, it was just as high. Meanwhile, inflation, which was already elevated at 5.7 percent in 1976, the year he was elected, went up in each of his years in office — and reached a staggering 13.5 percent in 1980, the year he was booted out. The only year in the post–World War II period in which inflation was higher was 1947, when the economy was booming and unemployment was minuscule. Put another way, to maintain the buying power that $100 had on the month Carter was sworn into office, you’d need $150 by the time he left the White House just four years later. Under Carter, gas prices doubled, and the supply became so scarce that Americans had to endure long lines at stations to fill up their tanks.

On the international stage, Carter showed weakness, and America’s enemies took notice. Rather than recognize the true nature of the Soviet threat, he preached the defeatist ideology of “peaceful coexistence,” and the USSR steamrolled into Afghanistan. Also under his watch, radical Islamic revolutionaries took over Iran, holding Americans hostage for the last 444 days of his presidency.
It is telling that the defining speech of his presidency was known as the “malaise speech,” in which he spoke not as a leader but as an essayist writing on the “crisis of confidence” in America. He observed: “For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past five years.” As he built a legacy of scarcity, he criticized Americans for wanting plenty, lamenting that “too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption.”
It should be no surprise that Ronald Reagan’s message of strength and optimism turned 1980 into a complete rout. Carter not only lost 489 electoral votes to 49, but he got trounced by ten points in the popular vote — even though an independent candidate, John Anderson, drew 7 percent.

Carter, who performatively carried his own luggage as president, tried to present himself as humble. But somebody actually humble would have taken the hint by the magnitude of his defeat. The real Jimmy Carter was stubborn and arrogant. He had plans for a second term, and he wanted to see them through despite the overwhelming rejection by the American people. So instead of stepping away, he spent the rest of his life simply pretending that he was still president and pursuing foreign policy goals even when it meant undermining the actual president.

The two most egregious examples of this came in his efforts to stop the first Iraq War and his freelance nuclear diplomacy with North Korea.

In his mostly sycophantic 1998 book on Carter’s post–White House career, The Unfinished Presidency, Douglas Brinkley gave a startling account of Carter’s behavior in the run-up to the 1990–91 Persian Gulf conflict.

Concerned by the looming threat of war after Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait, Carter pulled out all the stops — and then some — to try to thwart the president, George H. W. Bush. Carter’s efforts started off within the realm of acceptable opposition for a former president. He wrote op-eds, hosted conferences, gave speeches — all urging peace talks as an alternative to repelling Saddam with the use of military force.

But when that failed, he took things to an extraordinary level. Carter wrote a letter to the leaders of every country on the U.N. Security Council, as well as a dozen other world leaders, Brinkley recounted, making “a direct appeal to hold ‘good faith’ negotiations with Saddam Hussein before entering upon a war. Carter implied that mature nations should not act like lemmings, blindly following George Bush’s inflammatory ‘line in the sand rhetoric.’”

As if this weren’t enough, on January 10, 1991 — just five days before a deadline that had been set for Saddam to withdraw — Carter wrote to key Arab leaders urging them to abandon their support for the U.S., undermining months of careful diplomacy by the Bush administration. “You may have to forego approval from the White House, but you will find the French, Soviets and others fully supportive,” Carter advised them.

It is one thing for a former president to express opposition to a policy of the sitting president, but by actively working to get foreign leaders to withdraw support for the U.S. days before troops were to be in the cross fire, Carter was taking actions that were closer to treason than they were to legitimate peace activism.

Carter’s meddling was not limited to the first Iraq War or to Republican administrations. In 1994, there was a standoff between the U.S., its allies, and North Korea over the communist country’s nuclear program. The U.S. was floating the idea of sanctions at the United Nations. Over the years, Carter had received multiple invitations to visit North Korea from Kim Il-sung and was eager to fly over and defuse the situation with an ultimate goal of convening a North–South peace summit and unifying the peninsula. Begrudgingly, the Clinton administration agreed to let Carter meet with Kim as long as Carter made clear that he was a private citizen and that he was merely gathering information on the North Korean perspective, which he would then report back to the Clinton administration.

Without telling the Clinton administration, however, Carter flew to North Korea with a CNN film crew and proceeded to negotiate the framework of an agreement. He then informed the Clinton team after the fact, with little warning, that he was about to go on CNN to announce the deal. This infuriated the Clinton administration, and according to Brinkley’s account, one cabinet member called the former president a “treasonous prick.” To make matters worse, Carter then accepted a dinner invitation from Kim, at which point Carter claimed on camera that the U.S. had stopped pursuing sanctions at the U.N., which was untrue. Nevertheless, once Carter went on television to announce all this, Clinton felt completely boxed in, and he was forced to accept the deal and abandon sanction efforts.

Over time, it became clear that Kim had just used Carter to take the heat off, get economic relief, and buy time while still continuing to enrich uranium in violation of the agreement, which it withdrew from in 2002 after being called out for cheating. Within a few years, North Korea had built a nuclear arsenal. Carter’s effort at freelance diplomacy, in addition to advancing a foreign policy at odds with the administration, squandered a crucial window to stop North Korea from going nuclear.

When it came to unrealized ambitions, nothing frustrated Carter more than the Middle East. He was convinced that, had he been reelected, he would have been able to build on the peace agreement between Israel and Egypt and resolve the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians — even though there were significant differences between the two conflicts. In 2003, he boasted to the New York Times, “Had I been elected to a second term, with the prestige and authority and influence and reputation I had in the region, we could have moved to a final solution.” It was quite a choice of words.

During the pro-Israel Reagan administration, Carter saw little opportunity to advance his agenda, but he perceived an opening when Bush took over. In 1990, he befriended PLO terrorist leader Yasser Arafat, and, Brinkley writes, “Carter began coaching Arafat on how to not frighten democracies by using inflammatory rhetoric: it was a strategy that would eventually lead to the Oslo Agreements of September 1993.”

Throughout the 1990s, Arafat pursued a strategy of talking peace to the world at large while working behind the scenes to continue terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. He was infamous for appearing moderate when speaking in English while fuming radically and inciting violence in Arabic. Throughout this time, he was being mentored by Carter, who not only advised him but even personally wrote a sample speech for him suggesting language to use that would allow him to more effectively gain sympathy from Western audiences. At one point, he went on a Saudi fundraising mission for the PLO at Arafat’s behest. Of course, Arafat had no interest in peace, which became crystal clear in 2000 when he rejected an offer of Palestinian statehood and launched a campaign of terror known as the Second Intifada instead.

Carter’s friendship with Arafat was part of a pattern in which he would chastise Israel in the most extreme terms while ignoring or minimizing the actions of terrorists and dictators whose enemies happened to be Israel. On a Middle East trip in 1990, he visited Syria to meet with Hafez al-Assad and had nothing to say about the brutal dictator’s violations of human rights, but then he went to Israel and blasted its human rights record as it was trying to form a government. Carter met with and embraced Hamas and, in 2015, the year after thousands of rockets were fired indiscriminately at Israel civilians, claimed that the group, which in its charter calls for the extermination of Israel, was the party actually committed to peace and that Israel was not.

In 2007, Carter published Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, which was not only one-sided in its attacks on Israel but was filled with inaccuracies and distortions. At one point in the book, he invoked the story of Jesus to liken Israeli authorities to the Pharisees. In the first edition, he included a line in which he asserted that terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians were justified until Israel submits to demands: “It is imperative that the general Arab community and all significant Palestinian groups make it clear that they will end the suicide bombings and other acts of terrorism when international laws and the ultimate goals of the Roadmap for Peace are accepted by Israel.” While he claimed this line was a mistake, he defended the rest of his work and dismissed legitimate criticism as merely coming from Jews.

“Most of the condemnations of my book came from Jewish American organizations,” Carter said in an interview with Al Jazeera, in which he also claimed that Palestinian rocket attacks on Israelis were not acts of terrorism. In a Los Angeles Times op-ed, he further advanced old tropes of nefarious Jewish control. He complained that the pro-Israel lobby made it “almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine” and lamented that “book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly by representatives of Jewish organizations.” This wasn’t true, and, further, it means that he described all Jewish writers (such as Jeffrey Goldberg, who reviewed the book for the Washington Post) as representing “Jewish organizations.”

In a speech at George Washington University on the same book tour, he argued that the obstacle to peace was “a minority of the more conservative [Israeli] leaders who have intruded into Palestine and who are unfortunately supported by AIPAC and most of the vocal American Jewish communities.”

At the event, one student asked about the fact that 14 members of the Carter Center’s advisory board had resigned over the book, and Carter had a familiar response: “They all happen to be Jewish Americans; I understand the tremendous pressures on them.”

One of the members to resign was a close associate, Ken Stein, an Emory University professor who had spent decades at the center — as its first permanent director, and then as the Middle East fellow, during which time he traveled with Carter and took notes on their meetings with foreign leaders. In a blistering review for the Middle East Quarterly, Stein wrote, “While Carter says that he wrote the book to educate and provoke debate, the narrative aims its attack toward Israel, Israeli politicians, and Israel’s supporters. It contains egregious errors of both commission and omission. To suit his desired ends, he manipulates information, redefines facts, and exaggerates conclusions.”

Among the examples he gives is an account of a meeting Carter had with Hafez al-Assad, in which Stein was the notetaker. Even though Stein shared his notes from the meeting, Carter’s account of the same meeting in the book was manipulated to make Assad seem more flexible than he actually was.

Stein also included the revelation that “Carter’s distrust of the U.S. Jewish community and other supporters of Israel runs deep.” Stein recalled an interview he once conducted for his 1991 book in which Carter bitterly told him:

[Vice president] Fritz Mondale was much more deeply immersed in the Jewish organization leadership than I was. That was an alien world to me. They [American Jews] didn’t support me during the presidential campaign [that] had been predicated greatly upon Jewish money. . . . Almost all of them were supportive of Scoop Jackson — Scoop Jackson was their spokesman . . . their hero. So I was looked upon as an alien challenger to their own candidate. You know, I don’t mean unanimously but . . . overwhelmingly. So I didn’t feel obligated to them or to labor unions and so forth. Fritz . . . was committed to Israel. . . . It was an act just like breathing to him — it wasn’t like breathing to me. So I was willing to break the shell more than he was.
It probably didn’t help Carter’s mood that, in 1980, he received a lower share of the Jewish vote than any Democratic candidate since 1920.


In the coming days and weeks, there will be an effort to rewrite history and claim that the 39th president was underappreciated and that people have been too harsh on him. But the truth is that historians have not been harsh enough. One of the few silver linings that can be offered about Jimmy Carter is that, thankfully, he was too politically inept to be given the opportunity do even more damage.

https://archive.is/NV5dw#selection-641.0-1213.399

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Carter, not Reagan was responsible for release of Iran hostages
« Reply #2195 on: December 31, 2024, 09:19:54 AM »
according to something I watched on one of the Commie stations last night

I can't recall if P[BS], MSLSD, or even possible C[ommunist]NN

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I understand respecting human beings when they or we die but falsifying history and lying about their legacy is not acceptable.

he did some kind things in his private life but he was a crappy president though again I state he more integrity than Biden by far.

Curious how Biden when presented with the planned question by LEFT wing media what could Trump learn from Carter his response was "decency"

What in the world is someone who lied to us for yrs, participated in his family money laundering scheme ,  picked a totally unqualified VP talking about decency.

Yes he belongs at the bottom of the presidential ranking list.
What a total failure and disgrace.

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Definition of Cognitive Dissonance of the Left
« Reply #2196 on: January 04, 2025, 05:02:38 AM »
 Biden awards Medal of Freedom to George Soros and Hillary Clinton.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/04/g-s1-41010/biden-medal-of-freedom
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Re: Definition of Cognitive Dissonance of the Left
« Reply #2197 on: January 04, 2025, 05:25:00 AM »
Michigan clearing hundreds of acres of trees for solar farm 'to help the environment'?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/03/michigan-clear-420-acres-trees-state-forest-solar-farm/

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The way forward for Democrats includes re-regulation
« Reply #2198 on: January 06, 2025, 06:52:18 AM »
Repeal the Carter deregulation of trucking and Airlines is among the great ideas the left is coming up with to win back the working class. Good grief.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/01/05/the-democrats-next-agenda/