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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, Democrat Party going forward
« Reply #2150 on: November 07, 2024, 12:52:56 PM »
My hope was this election would force or steer Democrats toward the center for the good of the country, and to win elections.

But instead the opposite is happening. Kamala says fight fight fight and in the Senate we still have Adam Schiff, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren but we have lost Manchin, Tester and Sherrod Brown.

As they start to point the blame from person to person, no one blames the policies.

Right now there is no movement in the party to fix what is wrong.

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blame blame blame, the war is on!!!
« Reply #2151 on: November 07, 2024, 02:27:49 PM »
Blaming the for all the wrong reasons:

I love this one:

not long ago it was "I LOVE YOU JOE" ,  you were wonderful, a great President up there with Harry Truman Eisenhower Reagan and close to Brock.....[regarding the last one, well not quite that magnificent]

Now he sucks and is hated.
It will very interesting how the "historians" rate him now.   Does he stay near the top or fall to the bottom of the list next to Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan and Warren Harding, as per Bill O'Reilly?  [and James Earle Carter who lives forever]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/legacy-in-tatters-reeling-democrats-blame-biden-for-harris-loss/ar-AA1tHlpU?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=56b4507cc74447f3b40a9337697217bd&ei=16
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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, Woman President
« Reply #2152 on: November 08, 2024, 06:35:50 AM »
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/11/08/harris-concession-voters-sexist-women/76110290007/
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She was "qualified" and he was an "adjudicated rapist". He won, therefore "sexism". Nothing else to the story.

As is common, nothing but first level thinking  there, and failure to provide the easy answer to the question posed.

She is adequately resumed but didn't earn her place on the ticket and didn't earn a promotion. Biden Harris is an 'adjudicated' failed Presidency.  Her Administration did not provide peace, prosperity or security to the nation in the eyes of the majority of the voters. Denial is not a river in Egypt. It's right here in this column. She didn't win a primary, she didn't ever say what she would have done differently, and she couldn't successfully argue that the people were better off than they were four years previously.

On the "rape" charge, author does not believe in the statute of limitations, an essential element of adjudicated law. The voters didn't vote for a rapist; they didn't believe the accuser or agree with the (civil court) New York jury. The majority saw a politically motivated witch trial. And the adjudication was not rape, that is misinformation, disinformation.

The sexism charge is absurd. When the ticket was switched from a man to a woman her support went up, not down. When they took a closer look at the individual, her support went down. Ironically, she was in that position because of gender preference over merit. That observation comes from the person who chose her. In the 2020 Democratic primary race, it was Bernie Sanders who earned the number two spot, not her.

If we really wanted a woman president, she could fulfill her responsibilities under the 25th Amendment, instead of keeping her promise to Joe, to not do her job in that regard.

If the party labels were reversed, keeping a back room promise over fulfilling a constitutional responsibility would be toxic for her. Instead her loyalty to him is expected, and respected.
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« Reply #2153 on: November 08, 2024, 07:41:53 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/axelrod-democrats-becoming-smarty-pants-suburban-college-educated-party/ar-AA1tK44m?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=7d372e0d5ed9478c8f719db820996944&ei=24

It is NEVER an admission that their policies are no good , only that their messaging is not correct.

Let's see =

1+3 = 4 doesn't work
so try 2+2 =4  oops that did not work
How about 4+0 = 4 goodness that did not work either
so we should have tried 1+1+1+1 = 4 

They simply never say 4 is the WRONG answer.

Logic in their own minds not in reality.


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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2154 on: November 08, 2024, 09:39:34 AM »
what in tarnation is going on in the Congressional districts that still can't call who won?

Mostly California

Arizona  R this time but

only one in reliable R state - Alaska

rest are all Democrat states

they looking for ballots or just don't know how to count?

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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2155 on: November 08, 2024, 10:11:14 AM »


they looking for ballots or just don't know how to count?

Yes. Particularly if it serves their interests.

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Bet They Blame Trump for Dropping Them on Their Head at Birth, Too
« Reply #2157 on: November 08, 2024, 03:16:14 PM »
I can’t even.

Resisting the urge to place bets with all the people I’m encountering around work, online, or in passing predicting Trump supporters are about to sweep across the nation like Ghengis Khan locust zombie Jehovah Witnesses tattooing the tenets of Project 2025 backwards on “Progressive” foreheads so they are forced to peruse them every time they brush their teeth while and fetching the slippers of any fellow that demands they do so. There is some serious money to be made.

Think I’m foolin’? Behold:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/11/leftist-women-absolutely-lose-it-after-donald-trumps-election-victory/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=leftist-women-absolutely-lose-it-after-donald-trumps-election-victory

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Yup, the Centrists were to Blame, Run with That
« Reply #2158 on: November 09, 2024, 06:06:21 AM »
Sheezus, of course it’s “Progressive” looney tunes, but by all means keep pretending like you didn’t veer off the left side of the map into the land of babbling lunacy:

Democrats' election reckoning pits liberals against centrists
The Hill News / by Mike Lillis / Nov 9, 2024 at 6:27 AM

The Democrats’ shellacking at the polls this week has triggered a feisty battle between the ideological wings of the party about what went wrong — and who bears the blame.

Some liberals say the party didn’t tack far enough to the left to animate the base. Many centrists say it tacked too far to the left and scared away moderate voters in key battleground states. And Democratic leaders are now faced with the difficulty of working to ease the tensions and ally the feuding factions in order to form a unified front against President-elect Trump as he prepares to enter the White House for his second term.

“It will be a big challenge,” said Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.), former chair of the House Democratic Caucus.

The debate is hardly new. Democrats have repeatedly clashed over the party’s strategy after tough election cycles, and the battle lines are the same now as then, pitting liberals vs. moderates.

But this year the stakes were higher.

Heading into the polls this week, Democrats had warned that Trump was an existential threat to the nation’s democratic foundations, and their fight to keep him from regaining power was was framed as nothing less than an effort to rescue the republic and the institutions that sustain it. Following Trump’s runaway victory over Vice President Harris on Tuesday, the internal dispute over the party’s strategy, message and direction has taken on a new level of urgency and intensity.

For some, the party’s woes revolve around mis-messaging on kitchen-table economic issues, like inflation, wages and the accelerating trend of wealth inequality. For others, the trouble stems from the explosive debate over the Israel-Hamas war. For still others, the problems relate to culture war battles, including that over transgender rights.

Whatever the issue, Tuesday’s election results — and the subsequent reckoning that’s shaking the Democrats — is sure to consume all the oxygen in the party for some time to come as leaders, lawmakers, donors and strategists sift through the ashes in search of answers for why so many voters left them for Trump this year.

The early stages of that process are spilling into public view.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a liberal icon who has built a career around issues of economic justice, made waves this week when he said there was “no great surprise” that working class voters had fled the Democrats because the party establishment had “abandoned” them in favor of moneyed interests.

“The American people are angry and want change. And they’re right,” he said.

Moderates countered that it was, in fact, the progressive movement that had doomed Harris and the Democrats on Election Day. Many of them singled out the issue of transgender rights as the culprit — an issue the Trump campaign had put under a bright spotlight with tens of millions of dollars in spending on late-campaign, anti-trans ads.

Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-N.Y.), who won by 2 points this week in a battleground Long Island district, told The New York Times that the Democrats are struggling because they are “pandering to the far left.”

“I don’t want to discriminate against anybody, but I don’t think biological boys should be playing in girls’ sports,” he said. 

Rep. Greg Landsman (D-Ohio) told CNN's Kasie Hunt that “there are folks on the far left who alienate a ton of people,” pointing to the transgender debate as an example.

And Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.) echoed those warnings, telling the Times that Democrats are too concerned about offending the transgender community at the expense of addressing “the challenges many Americans face.”

“I have two little girls, I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat I’m supposed to be afraid to say that,” Moulton told the Times.

The comments sparked some pushback from other Democrats on Capitol Hill, who accused the culture war critics of scapegoating.

“The Democratic Party needs to do some serious introspection to understand what went wrong and why our message isn’t resonating or reaching people,” Rep. Sara Jacobs (D-Calif.) posted on social platform X. “But one thing’s for sure — blaming trans kids isn’t the answer.”

Other lawmakers noted that virtually no Democrats had focused their campaigns on the transgender issue this cycle. It was Republicans, they said, who exaggerated the Democrats’ support for trans rights in order to sow division and win votes.

“That's the problem. The Republicans created this strawman and then beat the shit out of it,” a Democratic lawmaker said. “I just don't think any Democrats I know were out there rooting for biological boys to compete with biological girls in high school sports. This is just not something that we were talking about or prioritizing. But to hear Republicans, that was like our whole agenda.

“Trump, literally, was telling people that your child is going to come home from school one day with a gender reassignment.”

Democrats are hardly the only party facing internal divisions.

Since House Republicans took control of the lower chamber last year, their time in power has been practically defined by clashes between far-right conservatives, many of them in the Freedom Caucus, and party leaders and their more moderate allies. The divisions have prevented GOP leaders from passing even the most basic legislation, like bills to fund the federal government, without significant Democratic support.

In the midst of their internal policy fights, Republicans toppled a sitting Speaker, Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), for the first time in the nation's history and expelled another member of their conference, former Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.), over corruption allegations that are expected to land him in prison early next year.

Still, for all the chaos, Republicans were able to flip control of the Senate and White House, and they have the edge in the battle for the House, although it remains too close to call as the last ballots are counted and the last races are formalized.

Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, a centrist Washington Democrat representing a Trump-won district, is leading in her race for a second term. She told the Times this week that her party is struggling because too many lawmakers fail to grasp the hardships facing working class voters — and talk down to them as a result.

“No one is listening to anything else you say if you try to talk them out of their lived experiences with data points from some economists,” she told the Times.

As Congress prepares to return to Washington next week, Larson emphasized the difficulty facing Democrats as they seek to be a welcoming “big-tent” party that can appeal to a broad array of voters without offending others. He warned against abandoning party values in the quest for that broader appeal, but acknowledged that the message probably needs some work.

“In the case of all 435 districts, you're going to hear different things — both culturally, and also in terms of economics,” he said. “It doesn't mean you abandon the ideas and the sense of equality for all Americans. But there are perhaps better ways to state it, and show it, and demonstrate it, instead of having it perceived by the other side that this is all that we stand for.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4981839-democrats-battle-election-loss/

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ignored "working" Americans
« Reply #2159 on: November 09, 2024, 06:26:16 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-democrats-pay-the-price-for-ignoring-working-americans/ar-AA1tKzVO?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=a02a2998bbff4731b0227954a40e52de&ei=24

What about ignoring conservative values?

What about ignoring globalists?

What about destroying the economy while taking climate change?

What about rampant sending?

What about high taxation?

What about the totally open border?

What about demonizing half the country?

What about lawfare?

I could go on.

This is there out now.  They just need to speak more to "working Americans"

The party of blue collars.

Meantime continue to tax spend redistribute wealth
scream racism continue to divide us into race religion gender groups.

Continue to give away our sovereignty.

Nothing will change with them  - except their messaging about the same old tired BS.

Continue to lie to us day in and out.  Have a media complex deny Trump any credit and blame everywhere they can dream of.

etc.

They are still shit and will remain so.

Axeldouche points out we college educated talk down to blue collar workers.  Well not kidding.  But that still misidentifies their real problems with half the country .   We don't like what your policies are period.

It is NOT simply a messaging problem.  Your platform sucks !!!!
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They Weren’t Asleep, But Prefer a Voting Public that Is
« Reply #2160 on: November 09, 2024, 09:08:51 AM »
Check out the big brain on Carl, using the last set of falsehoods to tee up the next set pretending to explain What Dems Did Wrong when in fact setting the stage for the next set of fables they’re gonna vend. Yo Mr. Meacham, what’s all this Biden blame assignment? Do you think we are too stupid to understand he is little more than an ambulatory corpse meant to throw centrist shade as his “Progressive” puppet masters pulled the strings?

Oh, and nice how you again rolled out the well debunked Charlottesville talking point, yet didn’t quite get around to mulling all the Hitler comparisons. You know, in case the latter proves useful down the line, eh? And of course all the Russia stuff was memoryholed, along with an accurate consideration of all the lawfare Trump endured, though I guess we should be grateful you spoke of the “capitol riots” rather than an insurrection….

But yeah, call this a wake up call as you seek to lull us to sleep:

America’s wake-up call: Who was asleep at the helm?
The Hill News / by Carl Meacham / Nov 9, 2024 at 11:19 AM

In an election that will be studied and debated for years to come, Donald Trump’s return to the White House marks not only his resurgence but also a profound shift in American politics.

This was no fluke; it was a clear, if unsettling, choice by the American people — a choice that challenges many assumptions about the political landscape and signals a seismic realignment.

Despite President Biden’s experience, he failed to connect with the public on issues like inflation, living costs, immigration and institutional disillusionment. Many viewed him as out of touch and clinging to the past while the country moved on. His administration’s perceived lack of urgency on these concerns left an opening for Trump’s populist message.

Biden missed the moment to step aside, which could have allowed a new generation to mount a robust response to Trump. Instead, Democrats’ loyalty to him clouded their judgment. When Kamala Harris stepped forward, she was tied to an administration that had worn thin with the public, leaving her with the impossible task of rejuvenating a weary base while countering Trump’s energized movement.

Democrats underestimated Trump’s appeal by refusing to confront Biden’s unpopularity and shifting public sentiment. They treated concerns about Biden’s viability as secondary, pushing a narrative of unity that proved out-of-step with a nation restless for change.

Trump’s win underscores a dramatic realignment, particularly among working-class voters, a demographic that once leaned heavily toward Democrats. The party that was once for the working man and woman has drifted toward an identity-driven, elitist brand of politics, increasingly alienating blue-collar voters.

This shift gave Trump the opening he needed to reshape the GOP as a populist, anti-establishment refuge for Americans disillusioned with both parties. Trump’s campaign appealed to these voters as Americans first, cutting across racial and ethnic lines to focus on economic and security concerns.

Trump’s ability to attract not only white working-class voters but also growing numbers of Latino and Black voters speaks to his success in reframing the Republican Party as the party that listens to economic frustrations and skepticism of “the system.”

Concerns about immigration — particularly its impact on job competition and resources — resonated with Trump’s message. This new coalition of voters, diverse in background but united in their rejection of the establishment, represents a lasting political shift. Analysts had predicted Trump could never win over these groups without celebrity endorsements, yet he appealed to workers, small business owners and families with real concerns about their security and economic future.

This election wasn’t just a referendum on Trump’s personality or policies; it is a decisive rejection of the status quo and of a Democratic Party which, under Biden’s leadership, struggled to answer the needs of everyday Americans. For many voters, the Democrats had become the party of condescension, dismissing economic anxieties or, worse, telling people that their concerns about living costs or border security were just the result of a misunderstanding.

For Trump, this victory is not just a return to power but a mandate to reshape American democracy.

Despite his controversial response to the 2017 Charlottesville rally, two impeachments, the Capitol riot, his conviction on 34 felony counts in New York and his refusal to accept the 2020 election results, voters were undeterred. The two assassination attempts during his campaign only reinforced his image as a disruptor. Trump’s supporters saw him as a symbol of defiance against a distrusted establishment.

Trump’s victory completes a journey that began in 2016, when he first captured the White House with a message of disruption. This time, however, his win signals a deeper political realignment. Americans no longer see Trump as an anomaly; he has become the embodiment of a movement — a populist wave that has reshaped the Republican Party and American politics more broadly.

This realignment means that we are entering an era where the principles underpinning U.S. democracy are more openly questioned, where economic frustrations take precedence over traditional democratic values, and where promises to end “woke” politics resonate more with everyday Americans than any pledge to return to normalcy.

For Democrats, the loss should prompt serious soul-searching. If they hope to win back the electorate, they must reconnect with the concerns of working-class Americans and move beyond identity-based coalitions that, for many, feel divorced from day-to-day realities. Addressing economic anxieties, the strain of high living costs, and worries about immigration and security may be the only way to regain the support of those who feel increasingly alienated by the party.

In the end, Trump’s second term represents not only a victory for his vision but a mandate from the American people to challenge the status quo — and the beginning of a new political era in America.

Whether this realignment strengthens or weakens American democracy remains an open question. As the nation moves forward, the uncertainty lingers: Will Trump’s return usher in a more responsive government, or will it deepen divisions and challenge democratic norms in ways yet unseen?

This is a choice with consequences that may take years to fully understand, and the path ahead for both parties will determine how the country faces those looming uncertainties.

Carl Meacham is president and CEO of Global Americans, a think tank on U.S. policy towards the Americas.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4979865-americas-wake-up-call-who-was-asleep-at-the-helm/

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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, The Blame Game
« Reply #2161 on: November 11, 2024, 01:20:46 PM »
As this national electoral thrashing  becomes more and more clear, the various explanations from the Left become necessary.

I weigh in only because they are.

We hear Kamala ran a flawless campaign.  But running a flawless campaign was not possible because she was caught between her old positions and her necessary new ones. She was caught between promising a bright future and running on a dismal past. She tried the insanity plea with no success, we will continue with the same policies but you can expect better results.  This election was decided by the policies of the Biden Administration (of which she was allegedly a key part), and their results.

The fault of 2024 goes to Barack Obama and his behind the scenes brain trust who never let go of power and handed Joe all the wrong policies and the wrong people.

Starting with 2008, it was Barack Obama who picked Joe, a so-called moderate centrist to balance his extreme left views and voting record.  That helped him get elected president with less than one term in the US Senate, but it hurt him in every other way.

Then we had Hillary, which seemed to be some kind of payback for whatever really happened in 2008. Hillary, with all her baggage, was not the best choice in 2016, proven in the election.

And then we had Joe, picked by Jim Clyburn, with all the appearances of a larger deal cut behind the scenes, as all the other moderate candidates quickly dropped out. Joe was seen as the only one who could ace out front runner Bernie Sanders, who was considered unelectable, to be easily defeated by Trump. Socialism was not something to be said aloud in public.

Who picked Kamala to be Joe's running mate. It was Joe, but who was in his ear with the most influence making that happen? Of course it was Barack Obama and his people, selling identity politics and promising the face of a woman 'of color'. Wasn't she Obama's first choice in the first place?

It's not a theory that he chose her on criteria of being a woman, of color. He said it for all to hear. Then they had the short list of women of color, and then he picked Kamala Harris. It had to do with strategy but also to do with a back room promise made to Jim Clyburn who somehow swung the key primaries to Joe.

The plan was, since Joe was considered a moderate and it would be a turnout election, he needed someone from the left wing of the party to balance the ticket. So far, so good.

Joe got elected but did not govern as a centrist. He canceled a key pipeline in his first hour in office. The only reason to cancel the flow of petroleum instead of banning the product was to drive up the price. Driving up the price of energy drove up the price of everything. A concept so simple that even Trump could get a handle on it.

Skip forward. The the record of Biden Harris was atrocious because of left-wing policies and the chosen successor was completely associated with the left-wing policies that brought on the disastrous results.

So we had Joe running but losing and dropping out, and suddenly we had Kamala at the top of the ticket.

Very quickly Kamala reversed positions nearly all of her 2019 presidential campaign. She now favored fracking and fossil fuels, but everyone knows that is BS, saying whatever you need to say to get elected. Kamala thought of the policy of not taxing tips about a month after Trump announced the same thing. Good luck with that. Kamala no longer wanted to ban private health insurance. Explanation?  None given.

Kamala's biggest decision, only real decision, was to choose a running mate and she chose Minnesota Governor Tim Walz. The leftmost senator, now Vice president, chose a leftmost governor to run on a ticket of moderate centrism. Again, good luck with that.

She could have chosen Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro but likely he didn't want the job, and likely that wouldn't have changed the outcome.

Had she picked Shapiro, and if he proved to be a great candidate, people would see that the ticket was upside down. Assuming he is a skilled, common sense moderate, what good does it do to have that person as Vice President, attending foreign funerals?

No, the fault goes back to the choosing of Joe, the choosing of Kamala, and the choosing of the policies, and as far as we know, that was all the handiwork of a former president named Barack Obama.

For the good of the party and the good of the country, may he leave Washington DC soon and enjoy a wonderful retirement.
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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2162 on: November 11, 2024, 01:42:36 PM »
amen .


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Cognitive Dissonance of the Left, Biden and Trump to have lunch
« Reply #2163 on: Today at 09:24:27 AM »
Pretty minor news story that Biden invites Trump to the White House for lunch on Tuesday, but...

If you were the president of the United States and your successor was Hitler, would you invite him over for lunch if he won? For unity??  With the Fascists?

What's wrong with this picture? Were they lying to us all along?

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Get woke go broke, Aspen Ski Corp
« Reply #2164 on: Today at 11:38:47 AM »
https://theaspenbeat.com/2024/11/10/aspen-skiing-company-joins-the-resistance/

(I guess they're not taking the unity pledge.)

I will take my business elsewhere.

Although they all seem to be woke and believing that snowfall will be a thing of the past.

Lake Tahoe ski resorts shatter snowfall records, 2023.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/tahoe/article/tahoe-ski-resorts-snow-record-17878101.php


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Re: The Cognitive Dissonance of the left
« Reply #2165 on: Today at 02:29:32 PM »
I don't ski

but when I think of Aspen I think

silicon valley snobs
wall street snobs
democrat partisan snobs
celebrity snobs
globalists
DEI evangelists
Massachusetts California NY elites
Maybe a few European Union types or World Bank or WTF types thrown in the mix

or basically the Davos crowd