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WSJ: Drones increasing role in Ukraine
« Reply #350 on: January 09, 2024, 06:54:20 AM »

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A drone squad commander with the call sign Tulayne, meaning “Seal”, during an operation near Mala Tokmachka, in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region.
A drone squad commander with the call sign Tulayne, meaning “Seal”, during an operation near Mala Tokmachka, in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region.
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Short on Shells, Ukraine Relies on Explosive Drones to Hold Russia Back
The drones are more accurate than artillery, but far less powerful. They are helping Ukraine to fend off Russia’s forces, at least for now
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A VILLAGE NEAR ORIKHIV, Ukraine—From a bunker on the southeastern front, it’s easy to hear how Ukraine’s supply of artillery ammunition has dwindled. For every five or six incoming Russian shells, the Ukrainians fire back once or twice.

As the war approaches its third year, Russia is on the offensive, backed by an economy on a war footing. Ukraine, meanwhile, is short on ammunition as additional aid from its main backer, the U.S., remains blocked in Congress.

With artillery shells running low, Ukrainian troops on the front lines are improvising and using explosive drones to try to hold the Russians back.

“We’re increasingly using FPV drones because we have a lack of shells,” said Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine’s minister of digital transformation. But, he added, “drones can’t replace artillery completely.” 

Ukraine’s growing reliance on FPV, or first-person-view, drones offers a preview of what the war might look like if the flow of Western weapons to Kyiv were severely curtailed.


FPV drones can’t match the speed of artillery or blast through a concrete wall, but they are cheaper and much easier to produce.
With additional aid packages from the U.S. and the European Union stalled, Ukrainian forces are running short on ammunition, money and manpower. Many brigades are depleted from the summer counteroffensive, which failed to make a significant breakthrough.

Now, the Ukrainians are trying to make do until more resources arrive. As in the first weeks of the war—before Western weapons flooded into the country—that short-handedness has led to unorthodox tactics and MacGyvered weapons to plug holes, such as substituting FPV drones for artillery fire.

The drones can’t fly as far or fast as artillery. They can’t carry as much explosive, or blast through a concrete wall. But at just a few hundred dollars each, the drones cost far less than artillery shells and are much easier to produce—volunteers buy drones from commercial vendors and deliver them to the soldiers, who rig them with explosives.

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 Both sides have made increasing use of FPV drones over the past six months as they’ve shown their usefulness on Ukraine’s flat, open fields. They’re far more accurate than artillery, allowing the drone pilots to chase down moving vehicles and troops on foot. While artillery usually needs several shots to hit a target, FPV drones hit almost every time.

So far, they’re just about holding back Russian advances around Robotyne village to the south of the town of Orikhiv, since some artillery units in the area were sent to other parts of the front.

 “They’re putting more and more hopes on us,” said a 33-year-old commander of an FPV drone squad, who goes by the call sign Tulayne, meaning “Seal.”


Tulayne said his drone team was operating short-handed in several ways.
The Wall Street Journal observed Tulayne’s team on a recent mission in the Robotyne area, where Russian forces have been trying to win back the territory Ukraine seized during the counteroffensive.

The four-man team brought 20 propeller drones, each about the size of a dinner plate, to a bunker a few miles from the front line.

The engineer attached different kinds of munitions to a few of the drones—one for hitting infantry, another designed to penetrate armored vehicles. Then he ran outside to set up an antenna, with wires running into the bunker to connect to the pilot.

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A surveillance team spotted at least a dozen Russians in a network of foxholes not far away. Tulayne, who was acting as pilot, slipped on goggles that let him see what the drone’s camera sees and grabbed a controller. Then the drone whirred into the air.

Tulayne maneuvered toward the entrance to a foxhole, then slammed the drone into it. He and his colleagues watched a live feed from a surveillance drone as smoke rose from the foxhole, waiting for Russians to run out. “They’ll come out,” Tulayne said of the Russians.


Ukrainian soldiers with FPV drones are able to chase down Russian personnel.

Soldiers from the Ukrainian drone squad walk toward a front-line position.
The deputy commander told an engineer to get another drone, armed with a different kind of munition, ready to take off and hit them again: “He’s bandaging him,” he surmised. “We need to fly there fast.”

Although the Ukrainians are relying on FPV drones out of necessity, soldiers operating around Robotyne said the devices are transforming the front line. Because large armored vehicles are valuable, easy-to-spot targets, both sides limited their use on the front line and instead began to rely on vans, or even motorbikes.

But using the FPV drones, the Ukrainians are now hitting even small vehicles, and chasing down soldiers on foot.

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The result is that the gray zone—between enemy trenches that neither side controls—has grown wider, according to soldiers in the area, making it tougher to advance.

“When we arrived a few months ago, the enemy was still bringing in people and ammunition with Jeeps,” said the 31-year-old commander of another FPV platoon working near Robotyne. “We’ve slowly destroyed all their logistics. Now, they have to bring boxes and evacuate the wounded on foot.”

Over the course of their 12-hour shift, Tulayne and his team launched 12 drones. One was jammed by Russian electronic warfare systems. Two failed to detonate. The rest slammed into the same network of Russian foxholes. The team believed they killed two and injured several more.


Tulayne said he had noticed an increase in the use of FPV drones by Russia.
Still, the FPV teams said they were operating short-handed in several ways, making their job tougher.

Tulayne’s platoon should be twice as large as it is, but he hasn’t been able to recruit new men, leaving the team overworked.

And even though the drones are cheap, there’s a limit to how many can be used. The team must request special approval to hit the same foxhole over and over. During their recent shift, they requested permission and never got an answer.

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Most of all, Tulayne said, the lack of artillery support is a handicap.

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Though the drones are effective against infantry and vehicles, they can’t carry enough explosive to destroy fortifications, which artillery can blast through. In addition, they fly far slower than artillery—about half a mile a minute. Sometimes, by the time they reach their destination, the target is gone.

A few months ago, the drones were supplementing artillery, swooping in after shells had crashed through fortifications and picking off softer targets.

“I’d just fly toward the clouds where artillery had hit,” Tulayne said. “It’s been a few weeks since that happened.”

Ukrainian front line
Map of the Ukraine front line, comparing Jan. 1, 2023 to Dec. 31.
Front line Jan. 1, 2023

Russian-controlled area Dec. 31

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Kharkiv

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Bakhmut

Dnipro

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Mariupol

Kherson

Sea of Azov

Source: Institute for the Study of War and AEI’s Critical Threats Project
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In addition to seeking foreign arms, Ukraine is working to beef up its production of FPV drones, including making some that are capable of carrying larger munitions.

“We will make a million drones next year,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said at the end of December. “I agree we have challenges. With amounts of aid, with artillery shells.”

Meanwhile, however, Moscow is trying to make the most of its resource advantage, and is building its own FPV drone army.

“In the last few weeks, their use of FPV drones has increased three or four times,” Tulayne said, though he added that Ukraine was still using more. “Their artillery is working well. They have an advantage in air reconnaissance.”

Though Tulayne said the Russians hadn’t gained any territory in the area where his platoon was working, Moscow has slowly been clawing back territory around Robotyne, according to open-source analysts.

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Re: Drones/UAV/UAS/Bots and Balloons
« Reply #356 on: March 12, 2024, 06:08:06 AM »
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Re: Drones/UAV/UAS/Bots and Balloons
« Reply #357 on: March 12, 2024, 06:11:14 AM »
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Drone vs. Race Car
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Uke Cessna drone hits Russia
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WSJ: Plan to outlaw Chinese drones met with protest
« Reply #366 on: August 07, 2024, 09:07:40 AM »


https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/congresss-plan-to-outlaw-chinese-drones-met-with-protest-c95cf1fe?mod=latest_headlines


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Aug. 7, 2024 8:30 am ET


The U.S. isn’t ready to wean itself from Chinese drones.

Search-and-rescue worker Kyle Nordfors flew a drone made by a Silicon Valley company into the rugged Wasatch Range in Utah. No one was lost in the backcountry—he was trying to make a point.

The drone couldn’t make it up the mountain. Its radio lost connection, causing it to turn around and fly back.

“I could not even physically get the American drone to the top of the mountain to begin the search,” he said.

Nordfors, head of air operations for Weber County Sheriff Search and Rescue, was trying to re-create a rescue he had successfully completed a few weeks earlier with a Chinese drone from SZ DJI Technology. He has tested dozens of drones in the mountains, and DJI works the best, he said.

Now he is worried Washington is about to hamstring his searches for lost climbers and hikers.

Enthusiasts like Nordfors have proven crucial in DJI’s fight against a proposed ban from Congress that would effectively outlaw new DJI sales in the U.S. Throngs of loyal users, from mountain-rescue squads to police departments and farmers, have drummed up resistance, calling their elected officials, writing opinion columns and signing letters in support for Shenzhen-based DJI.

A DJI drone aids in a mountain rescue by the Weber County Sheriff Search and Rescue team in Utah’s Wasatch Range. KYLE NORDFORS
DJI has been labeled a national-security risk by Republicans and Democrats, military officials and federal regulators. The U.S. government has placed tariffs on the drones and largely prohibited federal agencies from using DJIs.

Yet DJI accounts for around 70% to 90% of the American commercial, local government and hobbyist drone market. Real-estate agents, movie producers, firefighters, roof inspectors, utilities and law enforcement have all come to depend on the brand. The Secret Service bought more than 20 of them in 2022 just before restrictions were put in place, according to federal purchasing records.

DJI says a ban could cost the U.S. billions of dollars and impact thousands of jobs.

“It would also leave a vacuum in the U.S. drone ecosystem by removing the largest manufacturer from the market,” the company said in a letter to Congress.

Small drones have become essential tools in U.S. commerce and emerged as critical weapons in modern combat, handing the world’s largest supplier—DJI—enormous power. National-security experts say reliance on Chinese drones creates a dangerous dependency that China could exploit in a conflict.


Ukrainians have relied on DJI, while American models have often failed on the front lines—although soldiers have had to contend with security vulnerabilities.

The latest attempt to block DJI drones is a bill to prohibit new models of DJI drones from receiving the license necessary to fly on American communication networks. Drones that users are flying today would be allowed. The bill passed in the House.

“The United States must end its reliance on Communist China and build the U.S. drone industrial base,” said Rep. Elise Stefanik (R., N.Y.), who sponsored the bill.


Rep. Elise Stefanik of New York is sponsor of a bill to prohibit new models of DJI drones from being licensed to fly on American communication networks. Photo: Annabelle Gordon/CNP/Zuma Press
The Senate last week introduced its version of a Chinese drone ban, which also covers Chinese drone maker Autel Robotics and includes a grant program to help first responders buy American drones.

DJI said it has encouraged lobbying to block the ban and helped fund the Drone Advocacy Alliance, a collection of organizations that oppose Stefanik’s bill. Senators were inundated with concerns from public-safety representatives and farmers.

Filling the void

The national-security debate around DJI goes back years. Lawmakers and law-enforcement officials accuse DJI of aiding in human-rights abuses in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang, and say DJI drones can send sensitive data back to Beijing, although security reviews have had mixed findings.


Concerns have amplified in recent months after a government lab issued new findings on the security risks posed by DJI, according to people briefed on the findings. Federal officials have cautioned utility operators against using DJI drones to inspect dams and power grids.

DJI said it “categorically refutes” human-rights abuses allegations. Its users can fly the drones without an internet connection, the company said, and independent reviews have found its drones are secure.

The Lawrence, Kan., police department has used its fleet of 20 DJI drones, together with other Chinese brands, to find missing children and capture violent criminals trying to escape arrest, said Sgt. Drew Fennelly, drone-team coordinator at the department.


Top, a DJI M30 drone in training action; the Lawrence, Kan., police department says it has used its fleet of drones to find missing children and capture violent criminals.

“We just want the best technology that keeps our citizens safe for the most reasonable price,” he said. “The technology in the U.S.-made drones has not caught up with the Chinese-manufactured drones.”

Drone users fretting about the possibility of a DJI ban say American drones often can’t fly far enough, have inferior cameras and radios and can cost five times the price of DJI drones. 

U.S. drone makers say they have closed the technology gap with China, and costs will come down once they have enough demand and funding to manufacture at a larger scale. Some U.S.-manufactured indoor drones are as good as DJIs, industry experts say.


Adam Bry, chief executive at Skydio—the maker of the drone that failed to reach the mountaintop in Utah—said his drones are used by more than 400 public-safety agencies, including for mountain rescues, because they are “easy to fly, hard to crash and capable.”

DJI accounts for 90% of the drones used by U.S. public-safety agencies, according to a 2020 data analysis by Bard College in New York.


Silicon Valley company Skydio says its drones are used by more than 400 public-safety agencies. Photo: Clara Mokri for WSJ
Skydio recently posted a video of a successful flight of its drone in an area near where search-and-rescue worker Nordfors’s test flight of a Skydio drone had failed.

In a blog post accompanying the video, Skydio said it had upgraded its communications system so its drones would perform better when flying behind obstacles or long distances.

“They are making good changes,” Brandon Karr of the Law Enforcement Drone Association said about American drone makers. “The one thing they cannot adjust for are supply chains.”

American drones are in short supply with long wait times. Drone buyers say they sometimes have to wait close to five months for a U.S. drone, while DJIs are available immediately.

“Are American drone companies ready to fill the void?” said Trevor Perrott, chief executive of Florida drone maker Censys Technologies. “No, we’re not ready. But DJI may very well be a Band-Aid we need to rip off for long-term gain.”


The Lawrence Police Department says its drones from Chinese makers are more reliable than some U.S.-made drones. Photo: Arin Yoon for WSJ

Cpl. Skyler Richardson does some maintenance on a DJI Mini drone. Photo: Arin Yoon for WSJ
At least seven states have passed bans on the use of Chinese drones for publicly funded agencies, as local politicians have moved to take action against DJI.

After Florida passed a law banning DJI drones last year, some counties that had come to depend on drones suddenly had none to fly. The Miami-Dade Police Department bought five American drones after losing its DJI fleet, a spokesman said. “We do not have the same capabilities with the American drones,” he said, although they have seen improvements.

In Kansas, the Lawrence Police Department welcomed Gov. Laura Kelly’s veto of the state bill that prohibited the use of Chinese drones by public agencies. Kelly said the restrictions would “end up placing significant burdens” on law enforcement.

“Ideally, we would like to be supporting U.S.-made drones,” said Fennelly, the drone-team coordinator. “But that is just really difficult for us right now to do that.”

Brett Forrest contributed to this article.

Write to Heather Somerville at heather.somerville@wsj.com



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WW2 tech boosts drone lethality
« Reply #371 on: September 05, 2024, 02:09:43 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wwii-era-technology-boosts-lethality-of-ukrainian-drone-bomb-strikes/ar-AA1q3OGW?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=6bfc8069d0914440a95021d10fcb7049&ei=104

WWII-era technology boosts lethality of Ukrainian drone bomb strikes
Necessity is the mother of invention, and Ukrainian troops are proving it every day in the battle against Russia. One of the most recent ones that have surfaced is an old World War 2 era technique, which is making its drone bombs more lethal.

The invention is quite simple in nature – attaching a laser sensor to a drone bomb fuse. The laser sensor acts as a tape measure to find out the distance between the bomb and the intended target.

It then sets about the bomb fuse so that detonation can take place, increasing the lethality of the drone bomb.

The information about the same was revealed by a Russian blogger named UAV Developer on Telegram in a group named Military Hub.

In the post on the messaging app Telegram, originally written in the Russian language, the blogger states that the primary explosion sensor is LiDAR (Light Detection and Ranging), which uses laser pulses to measure distances.
 “Anyone who has had a laser tape measure understands what we are talking about,” UAV Developer stated in his post on Telegram. He then went on to add that it gives the bomb fuse the capability to get triggered at the desired distance from the target.

The bomb fuse also has a secondary push-button contact sensor, which is normally present on most bombs. It is designed to take over in case the primary laser sensor fails.

Related video: Drone or Dragon: Ukraine’s deadly thermite weapon (Dailymotion)

He then goes on to mention that this means that Ukrainians are “following the path of electrification of ammunition.”

Adding sensors to bomb fuse
Although quite a simple and time-tested formula, the addition of laser sensors can make the drone bombs quite effective.

Claims have also been made regarding Ukrainian troops using ‘Johnny‘ electronic fuse with anti-tank mines.

Typically, an anti-tank mine is triggered only when a tank or heavy vehicle passes over it and turns on the switch. However, the addition of ‘Johnny’– essentially a magnetometer – allows the anti-tank mine to detonate when a person or vehicle approaches it.

The metal on the individual or vehicle attracts the magnetometer, triggering the fuse and leading to detonation. Further, the addition of an anti-handling gyroscope prevents any attempt to move the bomb safely.

What is even more terrifying for Russian forces is that everyday items are also being converted into IEDs with the addition of Verba and are being left behind by Ukrainian troops.

Increasing lethality in the Russia-Ukraine war
The war between Russia and Ukraine has resulted in an unprecedented increase in the use of drones and other simple yet effective technologies.

Recently, there were reports of Ukrainian troops deploying drones equipped with thermite to burn Russian fortifications. Russia has also reportedly been using thermite bombs and drones to inflict damage on Kyiv and its troops.

The emergence of new anti-drone warfare technologies and tactics is escalating with each passing month due to the war, and both sides are resorting to increasingly lethal attacks to gain an advantage.

Now in its third year, the war has taken a devastating toll on the lives of people in the region. Most recently, a Russian attack using drones and missiles on Wednesday resulted in the deaths of seven people in the city of Lviv in Ukraine.

This followed an earlier strike on a military institute in the city of Poltava, which killed 53 individuals, according to Kyiv officials.





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Sinwar throws stick at drone
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Florida man shoots at Drone
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Charlie Kirk: Drones are Operation Blue Beam
« Reply #382 on: December 15, 2024, 04:53:40 AM »

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Myorkas on drone problem
« Reply #384 on: December 16, 2024, 10:30:45 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/12/15/give-states-power-shoot-drones-homeland-security-mayorkas/

Why in the world would I not trust the Homeland Security Dept with such a marvelous man at the helm?

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John Kirby - we know everything about the drones
« Reply #385 on: December 18, 2024, 06:39:33 AM »
and don't worry - nothing to see (no pun intended) there:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-adviser-says-government-033724708.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

 :roll: :wink:

We have been lied to for so long no one believes this is the whole story.
Once one establishes themselves as a liar nothing they say can be fully believed ever again.


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Re: Drones/UAV/UAS/Bots and Balloons
« Reply #388 on: December 22, 2024, 09:51:05 AM »
Thought experiment:  What if those drones over our military bases and other vital installations are Chinese?  Taking advantage of President Biden's dementia?   And are the next step after their weather ballon transversing the entirety of our country unchallenged?  That is, what if they are taking data to identify our weaknesses?
And what if this is the threat as they go after Taiwan?


https://defence-blog.com/china-places-massive-order-for-kamikaze-drones/?amp

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« Reply #389 on: December 24, 2024, 06:03:35 AM »
(8) TAIWAN ACCELERATES DRONE DEVELOPMENT: Taiwan is dramatically expanding its drone capabilities ahead of new export controls by China, in hopes of becoming a primary drone supplier to the U.S. and its allies.
China controls roughly 80% of the world’s consumer drone market, with China’s DJI being the world’s largest drone manufacturer. In October 2024, the Defense Department added DJI to its list of Chinese companies working with or for the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).
China announced new export controls on drone components to the U.S. for 2025, prompting the U.S. Department of Commerce to organize a delegation of 26 defense companies to visit Taiwan to foster long-term collaboration.
Taiwan’s Defense Ministry describes drone development and production as its “top priority” and sponsors initiatives like the Drone National Team (DNT), which is designed to stimulate Taiwan’s drone industry, fast-track development, and create a “democratic drone supply chain center” for the U.S. and its allies. DNT expects domestic drone manufacturers to produce 15,000 drones per month by 2028.
Why It Matters: The Biden Administration’s efforts to reduce dependence on Chinese-made drones, along with China’s retaliatory export controls, have created an opportunity for Taiwan to become a central node in the U.S. drone supply chain. Given its edge with electronics and semiconductors, Taiwan is poised to become a leader in drone technology and a primary source for U.S. drones, as the U.S. seeks to create “China free” supply chains. Additionally, collaboration between the U.S. and Taiwan is likely to accelerate in coming years, which will only increase Taiwan’s strategic importance to the U.S. as well as China. – M.N.

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Zeihan: Chinese drones, export bans, and
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Simplicius on the rapid evolution of drones
« Reply #393 on: January 04, 2025, 06:05:29 AM »


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The following is a premium article of a hefty ~4800 words in size, covering the latest technological developments on the frontline in the area of drones and AI tech in particular. The report is packed chock-full of exclusive videos and hard-to-find details that you won’t see anywhere else, which I’ve collated through tirelessly poring over obscure sources and channels. So if you’re interested in the technological aspect of the Ukrainian war in particular, this is another segment you don’t want to miss.

We haven’t had an update on the state of the war’s technological progression in a while and the new year brings the perfect time to do so. One of the reasons for that is because there have been a lot of predictions on the sweeping changes said to take root on the frontline by 2025, and so it’s appropriate to discuss how close these projections have been.

One of the notoriously contrarian predictions from many months ago was that 2025 would actually see not the supremacy of drones and FPVs, but rather their negation and decline. A French army chief made this curious claim in June of last year:


https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/06/19/small-drones-will-soon-lose-combat-advantage-french-army-chief-says/
From the article:

The advantage now enjoyed by small aerial drones on battlefields including in Ukraine is but “a moment in history,” French Army Chief of Staff Gen. Pierre Schill said at the Eurosatory defense show in Paris.

While anti-drone systems are lagging and “leave the sky open to things that are cobbled together but which are extremely fragile,” countermeasures are being developed, Schill told reporters during a tour of the French Army stand at the show June 19. Already today, 75% of drones on the battlefield in Ukraine are lost to electronic warfare, the general said.

One must wonder if the French army chief knows what he’s talking about; the article further points to upcoming French vehicles which may include anti-drone ‘missiles’ and ‘40mm airburst grenades’. But these will prove useless against FPVs which are much too quick, ubiquitous, and undetectable in the frenzy of combat to really be reliably destroyed by such expensive countermeasures.

To prove his point, the French army chief compares FPVs to the Bayraktar drone, saying they will disappear just as unceremoniously from the field:

First-person view drones currently carry out about 80% of the destruction on the front line in Ukraine, when eight months ago those systems weren’t present, according to Schill. The general said that situation won’t exist 10 years from now, and the question could be asked whether that might already end in one or two years. Schill cited the example of the Bayraktar drone, “the king of the war” at the start of the conflict in Ukraine but no longer being used because it’s too easy to scramble.

But the article does make one powerful point: that Western armies are essentially paralyzed from committing too directionally in one weapons program because the possibility is too high that the albatross program can be obsoleted by a new development very quickly:

The pace of military drone development means that Army can’t commit to large buying programs, because an acquired capability can become obsolete in five months, according to the general. Schill said today’s drones fly better than those two or three years ago, with more computing power onboard that is capable of terrain-based navigation or switching frequencies to escape jamming.

Everyone is now focusing on one magic silver-bullet system to take on drones. But the real answer lies in a total, holistic approach with the understanding that losses from drones will simply become an inescapable reality of modern war. This is how Russia has now chosen to approach the situation, simply mitigating drone advancements as much as possible not with any one particular system aimed directly at combating them, but rather through the total synergistic strategic realignment of the armed forces as a whole. This includes everything from surveillance, EW systems, the tightening of the entire operational decision tree and OODA loop, direct personnel training, anti-drone prophylactic systems for vehicles, but also the actual combat tactics and strategies employed, like Russia’s now-famous ‘dispersion’ approach, better known as the ‘death by a thousand cuts’. In an interview last month, a Ukrainian soldier had remarked how it has become very difficult to hit Russian troops with drones on his front due to the ‘slow trickle’ method they’ve begun to utilize in accumulating at a forward position. When there are only tiny groups of two or three men at a time weaving into the position from a variety of random directions, the AFU drone teams become dispersed and paralyzed from lack of concentrated targets.

Ukraine’s famed drone king “Magyar” had quite the opposite prediction in September of last year, stating that by March 2025 drone pilots would already be old news:


https://www.unian.ua/weapons/bezpilotni-droni-madyar-zayaviv-shcho-piloti-droniv-vidhodyat-u-minule-12760995.html
"Currently, hundreds of artificial intelligence systems are being developed simultaneously, and they are being tested in experimental modes. After six months, the pilots will no longer be required. You will need people who will simply lift the drone a meter above the ground. And then the drone itself, depending on its development, will decide what to attack, how to distinguish a Zhiguli from a tank, and will definitely not confuse the Ukrainian with the enemy, "Magyar said.

This seems a bit premature, after all we’re already nearing his six-month limit and the battlefield is not overrun with artificial intelligence systems. But there has been more and more noise in this direction.

For instance, top Ukrainian electronic warfare expert Serhiy Flash found an uptick in Russian forces using AI targeting drones in the Kursk region, even showcasing pictures of the recovered electronic boards:

Russian drone with target acquisition and auto-following from the Kursk bridgehead.

Recently, there have been more and more such drones. Holding a moving target is far from ideal, but it works.

I remind you that a drone with auto-target acquisition completely neutralizes trench electronic warfare.

In the case of mass production, the auto-capture module increases the price of the drone by 100-200 dollars


Meanwhile, Russian forces on the other hand recovered some of the Ukrainians’ own parallel efforts, likewise showcasing a special Google AI CPU.

Report:

Ukraine and Google artificial intelligence!

Recently, the wreckage of a Ukrainian quadcopter (FPV) found on the battlefield uses an artificial intelligence (AI) control system. After opening the quadcopter, it was found that the Ukrainian uses the Edge TPU development board developed by Google.

The Edge TPU board is the computing core unit of Google's Coral platform, which can be purchased publicly at a price of about $130, and Coral is a platform that provides complete hardware and software solutions for artificial intelligence. Unlike GPU boards, TPU boards are much more optimized for large-scale parallel computing required by networks.

Eric Schmidt, the former CEO of Google, previously said that because of the war in Ukraine, he is now a licensed arms dealer! which aims to help Ukraine achieve artificial intelligence technology. He also believes that the US military should eliminate useless tanks and replace them with drones equipped with artificial intelligence.

Ukraine hopes to use artificial intelligence-equipped drones on the front lines to help the country overcome Russian jamming systems that have become effective and enable drones to operate in larger groups. Since both sides of the Ukrainian war are using electronic warfare systems that can disrupt communication between the operator and the drone, the hit rate of FPVs has decreased.

At present, most FPVs have a hit rate of 30-50%, and the hit rate of novice operators may even reach 10%, but it is said that the hit rate of AI-controlled FPVs in the future could be as high as 80%.


Here are two such tests from Ukrainian units of auto-tracking FPVs:



And one actual hit on a Russian tank which appears to be using an automated AI tracker:


Here is the same Ukrainian drone master ‘Magyar’ who goes in detail about a captured Russian drone with AI “machine vision”:


Germany is slated to begin supplying thousands of AI-equipped drones to Ukraine as well:


Germany will massively supply Ukraine with kamikaze drones, which are called "mini-Taurus", - Bild .

▪️We are talking about Helsing company's shock BpLa, equipped with AI technologies , which give them higher autonomy in the conditions of EW means of operation;

▪️The flight range is allegedly 4 times (!) greater than that of typical Ukrainian kamikaze drones;

▪️They are compared with Taurus long-range missiles, which Scholz refuses to provide;

▪️U companies they allegedly ordered 4,000 such drones for Ukraine. Batches of several hundred per month may begin to arrive from December.

Besides that, there has been a series of reports regarding other major ‘shadowy’ American defense and AI labs using Ukraine as a test bed with increasing scale.

The Pentagon’s infamous project Replicator has reportedly been at the forefront of this:


https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/11/newest-replicator-drones-proven-battlefields-ukraine/400997/
Replicator acquired and tested several Anduril systems. One of the most interesting and promising directions has been in AI swarm tech to combat EW jamming—from the article above:

For instance, the source said, Anduril has developed flying mesh networks to enable drone swarms to swap data even amid heavy electromagnetic warfare interference, “relaying that data along multiple UAS[es] so that they can have long data-chain links.”

The drones' high level of autonomy also helps them evade EW effects and interceptor missiles, the source said.

“Let's say that I'm relaying comms, and then all of a sudden, the Russians pop up an EW bubble. The drone can say, ‘OK, I expected that. I'm not even going to go to my fallback positions. I'm gonna fly over here. I'm gonna go into a place where their jammer—which I can triangulate—is not affecting my link anymore.’ So you get all these networks that physically reconfigure their geometry to be robust to jamming.”

Imagine a swarm of drones all interfacing their data together: when one drone falls into the cone of a disabling EW beam, the other drones can triangulate the affected drone’s position and send it appropriate waypoint data to get to reposition itself to safety.

In fact, OpenAI has now announced not only a partnership with the Pentagon in developing warfare AI but has also appointed Paul Nakasone to a top position within the company; Nakasone is former head of the NSA and US Cyber Command.


Here’s the President of OpenAI, to show you the kind of dark directions the company is headed into:


One of the chief issues the US and partners have gleaned from the Ukrainian war is the sheer importance of mass scale at a low cost. For example, the drones being produced for the US Marines turned out to be an outrageously unsustainable $94,000 each—this is just for the basic DJI Mavic reconnaissance analogues:


So now the Pentagon and DARPA have announced new programs to address this, which also include the concept of highly versatile and customizable production infrastructure which can redistribute manufacturing in order to lower the price of mass ballistic missile strikes on a large ‘centralized’ production hub:

The Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency DARPA announced the concept of rapid deployment of military production within 2-3 days at the Freedom Forge 2.0 seminar. The concept is clearly borrowed from Ukraine and the" Army of Drones " of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. These should not be large factories that take months or years to build, but a network of decentralized, small, flexible production facilities with the ability to deploy anywhere.

Instead of machines, robots and 3D printing will be used. All the necessary equipment is planned to be manufactured on-site. Moreover, everything will be produced - from a drone to the barrel of a tank gun.

The DARPA initiative points out that the United States does not ignore the "industrial" component of the experience of the SVO and seeks to play ahead of the curve, coming out to the next conflict more prepared than any likely opponent.

In short, they want “pop up” factories that can be quickly relocated and set up to run as autonomously as possible, with highly modular capabilities of producing all kinds of different weapons systems. This is extremely ambitious to say the least.

The US also sees the success of the ‘mosquito fleet’ model against standard legacy surface fleets which are ‘giants with feet of clay’ against the modern drone-centric evolution:


NATO plans to create a fleet of sea drones to protect infrastructure in the Baltic and Mediterranean Seas

▪️This was announced by NATO Supreme Allied Commander Transformation Pierre Vandieu in an interview with Defense News.

▪️Drones would allow NATO to “see and monitor the situation on a daily basis.”

▪️They want to complete the project by June 2025.

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Every nation continues to conduct various drone swarm tests


https://breakingdefense.com/2024/07/swarm-wars-pentagon-holds-toughest-drone-defense-demo-to-date/
China increasingly holds drone exercises to incorporate assault and recon drone usage down to the squad level:


But one gets the impression that Russia and Ukraine are both leagues ahead of the countries on the sidelines for the simple fact that real battlefield conditions create exceptionally nuanced use-cases and requirements for ad hoc improvisation that are simply impossible to anticipate or test for in ‘exercise’ conditions or as part of procurement proposals for these various labs like Anduril.

I’ll give a few examples of this.

For instance, both the Russian and Ukrainian sides endlessly modify and re-modify virtually every component on both the receiver and transmitter side of the drone equation, creating complex forests and hierarchies of electronic wizardry to deal with constant unexpected daily challenges, evolutions, and advancements.

Recall long ago both Russian and Ukrainian sides began to utilize a system of drone-dropped “nav” signalers on the ground—a kind of electronic waypoint beacon—which can direct drones to various waypoints in heavy EW-contested environments. Now, Ukrainian units report the advent of a new system on the Russian side:


These are FPV “traffic lights” being put up around various Russian main supply routes and arteries which show three lights like red, yellow, green that warn:

No FPV

FPV far away

FPV nearby

Thus, as you’re traveling along the road, the light with its automatic detector can immediately warn you when you’re potentially being hunted.

One Ukrainian expert’s reaction:

I was even surprised that my information about the enemy's anti-drone traffic lights caused such a reaction in the media.

What information is there and my thoughts based on it.

Putting a FPV signal receiver in each traffic light is expensive and risky, such an autonomous traffic light will be quickly stolen by the Russian military.

Therefore, the implementation is as follows: somewhere in the center there is a FPV signal receiver at a high point and under guard.

The traffic lights are spread out around the district and have a LoRa connection with the central control point. Thus, the traffic light itself is a cheap product that does not represent value.

So far, I do not know whether the information comes automatically from the receiver, or is processed each time by a person who, based on the FPV picture, makes a "friend or foe" conclusion.

Do we need this on front-line roads? What do you think?

Russian units also began to install video interceptors in their vehicles that intercept the unencrypted FPV video signals from enemy drones. Here is one example of a Russian official whose car has a built in screen with such an interceptor. Upon driving in a ‘hot’ area, the video receiver picks up a Ukrainian FPV hunting the road somewhere just above him, causing him to immediately back away and scramble.


As you can see, though, someone didn’t get away.

Another innovation on the Russian side is a networked series of solar-powered microphones which triangulate Ukrainian drone incursions, distributing the data to nearby brigade HQs:

Along the entire border with the Russian Federation and in the rear, our enemy uses a network of observation points for Ukrainian UAVs

based on special "microphones".

Such points are mounted on poles and mobile communication towers. They include 4 microphones, which, when recording sounds from UAVs, transmit information via radio channel or via mobile communication network to the command post.

Such an observation point has an autonomous power source and a solar battery.


Now with the advent of fiber-optic cable drones which are immune to EW jamming, new innovations have to be constantly thought up. Such a one on the Russian side are new strobe jammers which target the drone’s video camera sensors.

An example below, but warning for epileptics—major strobing lights:


Ukrainian units write of many other innovations on the Russian side. For instance, recently even Russian medium-class recon drones like Orlan, Zala, etc., have begun equipping video signal jammers of sorts. When Ukrainian FPVs get close, the Russian drone jammer automatically detects the frequency of the FPV’s video channel and then pumps that same frequency back to it, but at a much stronger dB. This overwhelms the FPVs video channel, causing it to go blind.

The impressive innovation here is that this detection, signal analysis, and redirection is all instantly automated on a small jammer placed on the winged recon drone.

That’s not to mention that Ukrainian units have been finding all kinds of new “interesting” things attached to Russian recon drones, like rare L-band radars to detect Ukrainian radar emissions along the frontline:

In the photo, a rare Orlan. It does not have a camera, but with its receiving antenna it searches for signals in the L range of our counter-battery radars and mini radars of a not very high frequency range.

And the last type of Orlan I have never come across. This is a flying VHF direction finder. I read that it exists and there are terrible rumors about it in the ZSU (they will find us all from the sky), but I have never seen it as a trophy, which means there are few of them, which means it is not so scary.


Both sides continue pioneering the “mothership drone” class, with Russian claims that new ones can extend FPV range to nearly 80km. That’s because the mothership first ‘ferries’ the FPV to long distance while acting as its signal repeater, then drops the drone over valuable targets, after which the FPV is remotely controlled by an operator.

Here’s a Ukrainian one in action:


Meanwhile Russian helicopter crews now use FPVs to take out Ukrainian naval drones:


If that wasn’t bad enough, those very same Ukrainian “Magura” naval drones have just achieved a ‘historic’ first of reportedly taking out two Russian Mi-8 helicopters over the Black Sea via guided Soviet R-73 air to air missiles adapted to be fired from the drone:


FighterBomber appeared to confirm the shoot downs.

That’s not to even mention those very same Ukrainian naval drones have already been armed with machine guns and were seen firing on Russian helicopters several weeks prior to this.

Ukraine also claimed to have conducted its first ever UGV or ground robot assault on Russian positions:


Meanwhile, Russia has begun mass producing the first fiber-optically controlled UGVs:


Both sides are beginning to mass produce all kinds of UGVs, here’s a recent Ukrainian batch:


Russians are even beginning to roll out EW-carrying UGVs to protect troops:


On the contact line, the most important task is to provide electronic cover for assault groups, ensure the safe evacuation of the wounded from the front line, as well as military equipment and ground-based robotic complexes. Among the new products developed for this purpose is the tracked jamming robot for covering assault groups "Reb Wall-e", which in August was first presented at the International Military-Technical Forum"Army-2024".

On this mobile platform, electronic warfare equipment is installed — jamming stations "Fumigator-FPV" and "Fumigator-UAV". They provide a circular cover from unmanned vehicles, including FPV drones: the first one suppresses enemy UAVs, the second creates a protective dome with a radius of about 150 meters.

And now even the heavy class ‘Baba Yaga’-style drones are coming in un-jammable fiber-optic varieties—note the big black cylinder underneath, where the huge fiber spool sits:


Similarly, Russian Kalashnikov Concern is testing a new tethered drone for prolonged sector surveillance as a kind of replacement for aerostats:


Russian brigades are designing their own DIY wearable helmet-mounted jammers:

The 114th brigade has its own helmet-mounted electronic warfare system! Report by Sladkov.

The opening of the video shows a Ukrainian FPV falling limp to the ground behind a soldier armed with the homemade EW helmet:


Before you express shock at the likely brain damage incurred from the signal, note that they state it should only be turned on when a drone has already been detected rather than running hot at all times.

In light of all the above, the transformation slowly taking place within the Russian armed forces is a holistic one under Defense Minister Belousov’s initiatives. The aim is to integrate all the various systems in an organic way through the different levels of the military structure such that the smoothly networked operation of these assets can effectively be carried out between various involved units.

An example is this new photo series from a Russian artillery academy which shows the cadets training on integrating various drone sensor data with networked battlefield ‘awareness’ software packages:

Footage of the educational process at the Mikhailovskaya Military Artillery Academy from the kindergarten "Military education. Taking into account combat experience."

Cadets are trained to work with artillery using quadcopters and various software, including the Glaz/Groza software package , designed to transmit information from UAV operators to tank crews, artillery crews and command posts.

To train the crews of the Msta-S self-propelled guns, the academy uses software for the Dilemma simulator using virtual reality technologies .

In the training of future leaders of the operational-tactical level, various software and experience of the SVO are also used, including that personally acquired by the officers-students of the academy.

"Currently, a non-member of the SVO cannot enroll in a master's program. Therefore, they themselves make their proposals on what to change in the educational process, what to give them, what they know and understand. And the program for them, naturally, also changes," - Deputy Head of the MVAA for Academic and Scientific Work.

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Systems akin to this, demonstrated previously:


So, what does the future hold? More autonomous systems trickling in as prices for customized AI chips drop, as explained in this WSJ article from a month or two ago:


https://archive.ph/KKMTB
It states:

Now, an even bigger breakthrough looms: mass-produced automated drones. In a significant step not previously reported, Ukraine’s drone suppliers are ramping up output of robot attack drones to an industrial scale, not just prototypes.

Enabling the upshift is producers’ successful integration of inexpensive computers into sophisticated, compact systems that replicate capabilities previously found only in far pricier equipment.

“None of this is new,” said Auterion founder and chief executive Lorenz Meier. “The difference is the price.”

Kyiv is set to receive tens of thousands of Auterion’s miniature computers, known as Skynode, which should hit the battlefield early next year. Vyriy Drone, a top Ukrainian drone startup, said it would produce several thousand autopilot drones starting this month. Other companies are also ramping up production.

The problem with this is the current phase is still ‘terminal guidance’ only, rather than AI-driven “free range” hunt mode. That means a human operator still has to find a target first while the AI only takes over the last few hundred meters, should the signal get jammed.

Using terminal guidance overcomes those issues. Autopilot mode can be engaged roughly two-thirds of a mile from a target—well outside the short range of jammers. Drones with autopilot can strike objects behind hills as they don’t need to maintain a signal with the pilot in the attack phase.

As such, the latest AI ‘targeting’ FPVs are not as groundbreaking or ‘game changing’ as some would like because Russia has now adapted in increasing its force distribution to such an extent that doing the initial target acquisition is already the hard part. Russian troops now regularly trickle into positions a few at a time and by completely irregular means:


This puts heavy stress loads on drone operators that even AI cannot solve as of yet.

Furthermore, should AI drones begin proliferating there are arguably new jamming methods that could still prove quite effective against them: for instance, the earlier ‘strobe’ jammer. Since the AI targeting mechanism heavily relies on a clean video signal, once an activated ‘dazzler’ begins ruining the cheap CMOS sensors in the drone cameras, the AI algorithm will sputter and be unable to track the target. I can foresee a bunch of cheap strobe lamps attached to soldiers’ backs, helmets, vehicles, etc., which activate upon detection of an FPV nearby. There’s no way for the AI algorithm to bypass this, and the only ‘solution’ would be equipping the drones would far more expensive camera sensors which are resistant to the strobes, which would defeat the whole purpose of mass produced FPVs.

On the other hand, equipping oneself with huge blinking lights obviously gives away your position to every other surveillance drone for miles around—so there are quite some trade-offs.

Ultimately, in my opinion AI has been far more transformative in the ‘behind-the-scenes’ action of the war, rather than the dinky terminal guidance aspect for FPVs. AI data sorting and analytics is the real game changer which has already been used through various Google and Darpa programs like Project Maven to analyze and collate vast reams of satellite data to identify hidden Russian targets. This is where the true revolution is taking place, while the ‘autonomous drone systems’ mostly lag behind.

The reason probably has to do with the much faster advancement of language models which can be used for various data analytics purposes in a far more natural way compared to robotics and such, which is always a generation or two behind.

But once again, the nation which will have the edge in the future will be the one that can apply all of the various advancements in the broadest, most integrative way possible, up and down every echelon of the structure—from the general staff to squad level.

Just two weeks ago Russia had announced the creation of an Unmanned Systems Forces military branch:


https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/12/20/russia-announces-plans-to-form-unmanned-systems-forces/
The creation of the 'Unmanned Systems Forces,' announced by Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov on December 16, follows the formation of several units armed with drones.

Those units require support of the ministry, including training, supply and staffing, Dmitry Kornev, founder of the Military Russia analytical portal, told Sputnik.

"One of the effective ways to solve this problem is to create a separate branch of the military, which will ensure the solution of the tasks that the armed forces face in providing and using drones and unmanned aerial vehicles anywhere," Kornev explained, suggesting that the branch will be part of the Russian ground forces.

As such, Russia is preparing to tackle this very challenge of integrating all the new advancements across the armed forces. Make no mistake, the West certainly has many advantages, and even the lead in certain directions of drone and AI tech, but there are likewise many areas where Russia has a huge headstart, particularly where it is simply impossible to make inroads without first hand battlefield experience in a modern peer-to-peer conflict.

This is why the West has flooded Ukraine with its secret operatives, but even they can only transmit so much latent knowledge directly to hundreds of thousands of their compatriots back home who will never experience it first hand.

But stay tuned for further future updates where we’ll continue to explore more of the latest technological developments from different aspects.

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« Reply #396 on: January 14, 2025, 03:49:24 AM »

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« Reply #398 on: January 14, 2025, 08:41:33 AM »
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2025/january/08/federal-government-seeks-input-on-foreign-drone-ban

Seems like a no brainer.  CCP is preparing for war and we let them .   Yes ban the drones and make them illegal.

Ban Tik Tok too.  Surely CCP is using that against us like EVERYTHING else.

We have to stop importing anything Chinese - at least electronics.  They can still make us underwear.