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Re: DC jury acquits Sussman
« Reply #1350 on: May 31, 2022, 12:30:14 PM »
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-former-clinton-campaign-lawyer-michael-sussmann-acquitted-in-trump-russia-collusion-case?utm_campaign=64487

The legal works we will here Democrats scream
while all the while
also screaming we MUST SAVE DEMOCRACY

political trials should never be held in DC

Durham isn't going to save us?

I guess we better VOTE HARDER!

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/399356.php


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Re: DC jury acquits Sussman
« Reply #1351 on: May 31, 2022, 04:35:43 PM »
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-former-clinton-campaign-lawyer-michael-sussmann-acquitted-in-trump-russia-collusion-case?utm_campaign=64487

The legal works we will here Democrats scream
while all the while
also screaming we MUST SAVE DEMOCRACY

political trials should never be held in DC

Durham isn't going to save us?

I guess we better VOTE HARDER!

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/399363.php



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Jury member admits she is partisan who ignored
« Reply #1354 on: June 01, 2022, 05:42:11 AM »
the whole case against Sussmann

Why is this not grounds for a retrial in a different location
the jury member admits that she does not think lying to FBI is important to her
and case should not even have been brought

certainly her mind was made up from day 1:


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/31/juror-who-acquitted-sussmann-there-are-bigger-things-than-lying-to-fbi/

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Re: Jury member admits she is partisan who ignored
« Reply #1355 on: June 01, 2022, 04:52:29 PM »
If you are found not guilty, it can't be appealed. At least as far as I remember from the police academy legal classes.




the whole case against Sussmann

Why is this not grounds for a retrial in a different location
the jury member admits that she does not think lying to FBI is important to her
and case should not even have been brought

certainly her mind was made up from day 1:


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/31/juror-who-acquitted-sussmann-there-are-bigger-things-than-lying-to-fbi/

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an example the justice system works
« Reply #1356 on: June 01, 2022, 05:31:35 PM »
as per Judge Jeanine

this afternoon
on Fox......

while talking about the Depp/Heard non important story trial results
especially since she is an expert on "battered women" and she knew Heard was lying from day one

what a joke

within days of finding an obviously guilty lawyer get off from playing in one of the largest hoaxes ever perpetrated on Americans......








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Re: an example the justice system works
« Reply #1357 on: June 01, 2022, 05:45:46 PM »
as per Judge Jeanine

this afternoon
on Fox......

while talking about the Depp/Heard non important story trial results
especially since she is an expert on "battered women" and she knew Heard was lying from day one

what a joke

within days of finding an obviously guilty lawyer get off from playing in one of the largest hoaxes ever perpetrated on Americans......

Good thing we can just VOTE HARDER!

It's not like the system is utterly corrupt...

Wait...

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Re: an example the justice system works
« Reply #1358 on: June 01, 2022, 07:20:52 PM »
as per Judge Jeanine

this afternoon
on Fox......

while talking about the Depp/Heard non important story trial results
especially since she is an expert on "battered women" and she knew Heard was lying from day one

what a joke

within days of finding an obviously guilty lawyer get off from playing in one of the largest hoaxes ever perpetrated on Americans......

Good thing we can just VOTE HARDER!

It's not like the system is utterly corrupt...

Wait...

Mollie Hemingway:

"Allowing a continuation of two standards of justice, one where friends of the regime can do anything and get off scot-free and one where opponents of the regime will have their lives destroyed for things that friends of the regime can do, is an existential threat to the country."



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AMcC: Indict Hillary!
« Reply #1361 on: June 04, 2022, 01:43:12 PM »
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
June 4, 2022 6:30 AM
If historical accountability now outweighs all concerns about due process, how could you do better than a Hillary Clinton trial?
‘Whither John Durham?” That is now the pressing question for every Russiagate watcher. Admittedly, the crowd of Russiagate watchers has grown smaller since Tuesday, when a Democrat-heavy jury in Washington, D.C., acquitted Michael Sussmann, the heavyweight Democratic lawyer, of Special Counsel Durham’s charge that Sussmann had lied to the FBI.

The answer, if we are to learn the central lesson of the Sussmann case, is simple: Indict Hillary Clinton.

But . . . for what?

I’ll resist the urge to say, “There’s always something,” which would be more a commentary on the career of the former secretary of state (and cattle-futures trader, travel-office-staff director, grand-jury amnesiac, “bimbo eruptions” scourge, pardons coordinator, voice of calm, suspender of disbelief, Russian “reset” visionary, Benghazi bungler, Muslim-movie maven, charity entrepreneur, and homebrew-server savant) than a real answer.

The truth is I have no idea whether Hillary has done anything indictable this time. Orchestrating the Trump–Russia collusion farce is icky politics and maybe even civil libel. But whether it violated the criminal law in some way is a tougher question.

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I do know this, though: If you really want to get to the bottom of what is scandalous about Russiagate, there could be no surer way to do it than to indict that most ruthless of cutthroat, cold-blooded politicians and sit back and enjoy the show as she sets her phalanx of gladiator–lawyers on the FBI, the Justice Department, the intelligence agencies, and the Obama White House.

Okay, I admit, this is a bit tongue-in-cheek. But still, in a perfect world — a world where there were no constitutional and ethical constraints against indictment absent a good-faith belief that the evidence of guilt is solid — there could be no better solution. Just give Hillary the incentive to do the job the special counsel’s prosecutions have avoided: Shine the light on the government’s complicity in Russiagate, instead of portraying the government as the witless victim of the Clinton campaign.

In the Sussmann trial, what we learned on that score came from the Sussmann defense, not the prosecutors. But it was limited, because Sussmann was just a bit player in Russiagate. Mrs. C is the big kahuna.

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The “collusion” caper involves a scheme to smear Donald Trump, then the Republican presidential candidate, as a clandestine agent of the Kremlin. This calumny — or “narrative,” as they say in the biz — was concocted by the Clinton campaign. As dictated by the shopworn modus operandi of the Clintons, who are Yale-educated lawyers, the heavy lifting was done by the campaign’s well-paid attorneys — who would then be able to claim that any damning communications were privileged when, as tends to happen with Bill and Hill, investigators started snooping around.

The campaign’s attorneys, who were then at the Perkins Coie law firm, retained the “oppo” beavering skills of Fusion GPS, a self-styled “information” firm (though invention may be more accurate). Fusion recruited a motley crew of “researchers,” including the former-British-spy-turned-Trump-hating-fabulist Christopher Steele and his sidekick, the suspected-Russian-spy-turned-respected-Brookings-scholar Igor Danchenko.

Fusion and the lawyers also collaborated with other like-minded Trump-loathers, including a gaggle of Internet researchers, led by tech executive Rodney Joffe. They composed the mood music of the Sussmann trial: a collusion subplot about how Trump and his masters in Moscow had supposedly exploited servers at Russia’s Alfa Bank to create a covert communications back-channel. I guess that’s what supposedly enabled Trump (the puppet) to order Putin (the master) to hack Mrs. Clinton’s homebrew servers (which were no longer online or in her possession). Or something.

One of Durham’s challenges was that Sussmann, the guy he decided to indict, was among the most minor players in this farrago. The prosecutors understandably theorized that his false statement to the FBI — the claim that he wasn’t representing anyone when he brought the bureau the Clinton campaign-generated tale about a Trump–Putin back channel — took place within the context of this broader scheme. A giveaway regarding Durham’s lack of conviction about the enterprise that has led to Sussmann’s lack of a conviction is that prosecutors labeled it, almost benignly, as “the joint venture” — i.e., they pulled up short of charging it as a criminal conspiracy to defraud the government, even though they sought to admit evidence of “the joint venture” based on conspiracy principles.

More to the point, though, proving up this broad, audacious enterprise to try to nail Sussmann on a narrow, comparatively trivial false statement is like proving up the Pacific Ocean just to show a single yellowfin darting about in it. Durham had much to complain about regarding the judge, Obama appointee Christopher Cooper. But any judge would have cut these prosecutorial ambitions down to something fit for a relatively minor culprit.

So next time, Durham shouldn’t go for the minor culprit. He should go for the Pacific Ocean herself.

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Re: AMcC: Indict Hillary!
« Reply #1362 on: June 04, 2022, 10:40:51 PM »
Nothing is happening, and Deep State Andy knows it.


By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
June 4, 2022 6:30 AM
If historical accountability now outweighs all concerns about due process, how could you do better than a Hillary Clinton trial?
‘Whither John Durham?” That is now the pressing question for every Russiagate watcher. Admittedly, the crowd of Russiagate watchers has grown smaller since Tuesday, when a Democrat-heavy jury in Washington, D.C., acquitted Michael Sussmann, the heavyweight Democratic lawyer, of Special Counsel Durham’s charge that Sussmann had lied to the FBI.

The answer, if we are to learn the central lesson of the Sussmann case, is simple: Indict Hillary Clinton.

But . . . for what?

I’ll resist the urge to say, “There’s always something,” which would be more a commentary on the career of the former secretary of state (and cattle-futures trader, travel-office-staff director, grand-jury amnesiac, “bimbo eruptions” scourge, pardons coordinator, voice of calm, suspender of disbelief, Russian “reset” visionary, Benghazi bungler, Muslim-movie maven, charity entrepreneur, and homebrew-server savant) than a real answer.

The truth is I have no idea whether Hillary has done anything indictable this time. Orchestrating the Trump–Russia collusion farce is icky politics and maybe even civil libel. But whether it violated the criminal law in some way is a tougher question.

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Joe Biden Lied about Gun-Manufacturer Immunity. He Wasn’t Close to the Truth.
Sri Lanka’s Collapse and the End of Globalization 
McCormick Concedes to Oz in Pennsylvania GOP Senate Primary Race
Are We ‘Pot-Committed’ in Ukraine?
I do know this, though: If you really want to get to the bottom of what is scandalous about Russiagate, there could be no surer way to do it than to indict that most ruthless of cutthroat, cold-blooded politicians and sit back and enjoy the show as she sets her phalanx of gladiator–lawyers on the FBI, the Justice Department, the intelligence agencies, and the Obama White House.

Okay, I admit, this is a bit tongue-in-cheek. But still, in a perfect world — a world where there were no constitutional and ethical constraints against indictment absent a good-faith belief that the evidence of guilt is solid — there could be no better solution. Just give Hillary the incentive to do the job the special counsel’s prosecutions have avoided: Shine the light on the government’s complicity in Russiagate, instead of portraying the government as the witless victim of the Clinton campaign.

In the Sussmann trial, what we learned on that score came from the Sussmann defense, not the prosecutors. But it was limited, because Sussmann was just a bit player in Russiagate. Mrs. C is the big kahuna.

More on
HILLARY CLINTON
 
The Sussmann Verdict Is an Indictment of Durham, Not a Vindication of the Ex-Clinton Lawyer
Durham’s Work Must Go On, despite Sussmann Acquittal
Clinton Lawyer’s Achievement: Getting Donald Trump Elected President
The “collusion” caper involves a scheme to smear Donald Trump, then the Republican presidential candidate, as a clandestine agent of the Kremlin. This calumny — or “narrative,” as they say in the biz — was concocted by the Clinton campaign. As dictated by the shopworn modus operandi of the Clintons, who are Yale-educated lawyers, the heavy lifting was done by the campaign’s well-paid attorneys — who would then be able to claim that any damning communications were privileged when, as tends to happen with Bill and Hill, investigators started snooping around.

The campaign’s attorneys, who were then at the Perkins Coie law firm, retained the “oppo” beavering skills of Fusion GPS, a self-styled “information” firm (though invention may be more accurate). Fusion recruited a motley crew of “researchers,” including the former-British-spy-turned-Trump-hating-fabulist Christopher Steele and his sidekick, the suspected-Russian-spy-turned-respected-Brookings-scholar Igor Danchenko.

Fusion and the lawyers also collaborated with other like-minded Trump-loathers, including a gaggle of Internet researchers, led by tech executive Rodney Joffe. They composed the mood music of the Sussmann trial: a collusion subplot about how Trump and his masters in Moscow had supposedly exploited servers at Russia’s Alfa Bank to create a covert communications back-channel. I guess that’s what supposedly enabled Trump (the puppet) to order Putin (the master) to hack Mrs. Clinton’s homebrew servers (which were no longer online or in her possession). Or something.

One of Durham’s challenges was that Sussmann, the guy he decided to indict, was among the most minor players in this farrago. The prosecutors understandably theorized that his false statement to the FBI — the claim that he wasn’t representing anyone when he brought the bureau the Clinton campaign-generated tale about a Trump–Putin back channel — took place within the context of this broader scheme. A giveaway regarding Durham’s lack of conviction about the enterprise that has led to Sussmann’s lack of a conviction is that prosecutors labeled it, almost benignly, as “the joint venture” — i.e., they pulled up short of charging it as a criminal conspiracy to defraud the government, even though they sought to admit evidence of “the joint venture” based on conspiracy principles.

More to the point, though, proving up this broad, audacious enterprise to try to nail Sussmann on a narrow, comparatively trivial false statement is like proving up the Pacific Ocean just to show a single yellowfin darting about in it. Durham had much to complain about regarding the judge, Obama appointee Christopher Cooper. But any judge would have cut these prosecutorial ambitions down to something fit for a relatively minor culprit.

So next time, Durham shouldn’t go for the minor culprit. He should go for the Pacific Ocean herself.

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, Mueller, Durham, and related matters
« Reply #1363 on: June 05, 2022, 02:48:12 AM »
https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-altered-statement-on-intrusion-into-democrat-network-based-on-input-from-lawyer_4505749.html?utm_source=Morningbrief-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-06-05-ai&est=PGYisDK4%2Fa038Ybu0LD%2BzJfURXpL%2F64S8XPGI%2FjhfBPPqwM5jhdPmozIP1%2F409ihCTkf

FBI Altered Statement on Intrusion Into Democratic Network Based on Input From Democrats’ Lawyer
By Zachary Stieber and Ivan Pentchoukov June 2, 2022 Updated: June 2, 2022biggersmaller Print

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A lawyer representing Democrats proposed alterations to an FBI statement on the hacking of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) to avoid undermining the narrative from his clients, according to emails released as part of the trial of former Hillary Clinton campaign attorney Michael Sussmann.

FBI officials in mid-2016 were drafting a statement regarding an alleged intrusion into the DCCC network and sent the draft to Sussmann, a lawyer representing the DCCC, the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and other Democrats.

Jim Trainor, assistant director for the FBI Cyber Division, wrote to Sussmann on July 29, 2016: “Michael—our press office is once again getting a ton of calls on the DCCC matter. A draft response is provided below. Wanted to get your thoughts on this prior to sending out.”

Sussmann zeroed in on the first sentence, which he said seemed to undermine what the DCCC was saying about the reported intrusion.

“The draft you sent says only that the FBI is aware of media reports; it does not say that the FBI is aware of the intrusion that the DCCC reported. Indeed, it refers only to a ‘possible’ cyber intrusion and in that way undermines what the DCCC said in its statement (or at least calls into question what the DCCC said),'” Sussmann said.

Sussmann proposed changing the press release from saying the FBI is aware of reporting on “a possible cyber instruction involving the DCCC” to saying the bureau “is aware of the cyber intrusion involving the DCCC that has been reported in the media and the FBI has been working to determine the nature and scope of the matter.”

Trainor said the proposed alterations were fine.

“We try to really limit what we see and not acknowledging too much but the below edits are fine and we will send out,” Trainor said.

The bureau ended up using language similar to that offered by Sussmann, telling news outlets that it was “aware of media reporting on cyber intrusions involving multiple political entities, and is working to determine the accuracy, nature, and scope of these matters.”

The emails were introduced as exhibits during Sussmann’s trial and obtained by The Epoch Times. Sussmann was acquitted on May 31 of lying to the FBI.

The FBI headquarters
The FBI headquarters in Washington on Jan. 2, 2020. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)
According to notes taken by then-CIA Director John Brennan, President Barack Obama received a briefing on July 28, 2016—one day before Sussmann’s email to Trainor. Brennan told Obama of an intelligence intercept showing that Russia was aware of a plan approved by Clinton to “vilify” her rival, Donald Trump, by “stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security services.”

Days later, the CIA informed the FBI of intelligence suggesting that Clinton’s plan was meant “as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server.”

According to the indictment of several Russian nationals brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, the alleged Russian conspirators gained access to the DCCC network on April 12, 2016. That same day, then-FBI Director James Comey held a meeting with senior FBI officials to discuss how to execute a “credible … conclusion” of the FBI investigation into Clinton’s use of an unauthorized private email server to conduct government business.

The DCCC and the DNC hired CrowdStrike, a private cybersecurity firm, to investigate and remediate the network intrusions. The FBI conducted its own investigation, relying on server images and reports produced by CrowdStrike, with Sussmann playing as the singular point of contact representing the DNC and the DCCC, according to another email introduced during the trial.

The CrowdStrike reports sent to the FBI were partly redacted. An email addressed to Sussmann by an FBI agent indicated that receiving the nonredacted versions of the reports was the top priority for the bureau. According to a previous filing by the Department of Justice in the case against Trump associate Roger Stone, the bureau never received the unredacted reports. The FBI has rejected Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents.

Other missives entered during Sussmann’s trial showed the lawyer becoming upset after the bureau announced that it was investigating the reported intrusion into the DNC network.

Sussmann messaged Trainor, questioning the “significance of this announcement” and requesting the bureau consult with him before making public statements about the DNC case.

Trainor apologized, agreeing that when the FBI makes statements “we need to be in lock step with victims and partners.”

Trainor said the statement was an attempt to “respond in a more authentic way” and that the bureau intended to “be equally cooperative partners as we navigate this matter.”

“Thank you for that explanation. You can understand how the statement was confusing to us,” Sussmann said. “Please try to keep us informed if the FBI says anything else publicly about its investigation.”

Sussmann was the FBI’s point of contact on the investigations into the intrusions into the DCCC and DNC network, according to an email that FBI agent Jennifer Frasch sent in August 2016.

Sussmann was close to the FBI for years and had a badge that allowed him access to the bureau’s headquarters. Sussmann used the badge to gain entry on Sept. 19, 2016, when he handed over sketchy allegations against Trump to FBI lawyer James Baker.

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, Mueller, Durham, and related matters
« Reply #1364 on: June 05, 2022, 05:28:31 AM »
WE.MUST.VOTE.HARDER!

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-altered-statement-on-intrusion-into-democrat-network-based-on-input-from-lawyer_4505749.html?utm_source=Morningbrief-ai&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2022-06-05-ai&est=PGYisDK4%2Fa038Ybu0LD%2BzJfURXpL%2F64S8XPGI%2FjhfBPPqwM5jhdPmozIP1%2F409ihCTkf

FBI Altered Statement on Intrusion Into Democratic Network Based on Input From Democrats’ Lawyer
By Zachary Stieber and Ivan Pentchoukov June 2, 2022 Updated: June 2, 2022biggersmaller Print

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5:42



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A lawyer representing Democrats proposed alterations to an FBI statement on the hacking of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) to avoid undermining the narrative from his clients, according to emails released as part of the trial of former Hillary Clinton campaign attorney Michael Sussmann.

FBI officials in mid-2016 were drafting a statement regarding an alleged intrusion into the DCCC network and sent the draft to Sussmann, a lawyer representing the DCCC, the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and other Democrats.

Jim Trainor, assistant director for the FBI Cyber Division, wrote to Sussmann on July 29, 2016: “Michael—our press office is once again getting a ton of calls on the DCCC matter. A draft response is provided below. Wanted to get your thoughts on this prior to sending out.”

Sussmann zeroed in on the first sentence, which he said seemed to undermine what the DCCC was saying about the reported intrusion.

“The draft you sent says only that the FBI is aware of media reports; it does not say that the FBI is aware of the intrusion that the DCCC reported. Indeed, it refers only to a ‘possible’ cyber intrusion and in that way undermines what the DCCC said in its statement (or at least calls into question what the DCCC said),'” Sussmann said.

Sussmann proposed changing the press release from saying the FBI is aware of reporting on “a possible cyber instruction involving the DCCC” to saying the bureau “is aware of the cyber intrusion involving the DCCC that has been reported in the media and the FBI has been working to determine the nature and scope of the matter.”

Trainor said the proposed alterations were fine.

“We try to really limit what we see and not acknowledging too much but the below edits are fine and we will send out,” Trainor said.

The bureau ended up using language similar to that offered by Sussmann, telling news outlets that it was “aware of media reporting on cyber intrusions involving multiple political entities, and is working to determine the accuracy, nature, and scope of these matters.”

The emails were introduced as exhibits during Sussmann’s trial and obtained by The Epoch Times. Sussmann was acquitted on May 31 of lying to the FBI.

The FBI headquarters
The FBI headquarters in Washington on Jan. 2, 2020. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)
According to notes taken by then-CIA Director John Brennan, President Barack Obama received a briefing on July 28, 2016—one day before Sussmann’s email to Trainor. Brennan told Obama of an intelligence intercept showing that Russia was aware of a plan approved by Clinton to “vilify” her rival, Donald Trump, by “stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security services.”

Days later, the CIA informed the FBI of intelligence suggesting that Clinton’s plan was meant “as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server.”

According to the indictment of several Russian nationals brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, the alleged Russian conspirators gained access to the DCCC network on April 12, 2016. That same day, then-FBI Director James Comey held a meeting with senior FBI officials to discuss how to execute a “credible … conclusion” of the FBI investigation into Clinton’s use of an unauthorized private email server to conduct government business.

The DCCC and the DNC hired CrowdStrike, a private cybersecurity firm, to investigate and remediate the network intrusions. The FBI conducted its own investigation, relying on server images and reports produced by CrowdStrike, with Sussmann playing as the singular point of contact representing the DNC and the DCCC, according to another email introduced during the trial.

The CrowdStrike reports sent to the FBI were partly redacted. An email addressed to Sussmann by an FBI agent indicated that receiving the nonredacted versions of the reports was the top priority for the bureau. According to a previous filing by the Department of Justice in the case against Trump associate Roger Stone, the bureau never received the unredacted reports. The FBI has rejected Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents.

Other missives entered during Sussmann’s trial showed the lawyer becoming upset after the bureau announced that it was investigating the reported intrusion into the DNC network.

Sussmann messaged Trainor, questioning the “significance of this announcement” and requesting the bureau consult with him before making public statements about the DNC case.

Trainor apologized, agreeing that when the FBI makes statements “we need to be in lock step with victims and partners.”

Trainor said the statement was an attempt to “respond in a more authentic way” and that the bureau intended to “be equally cooperative partners as we navigate this matter.”

“Thank you for that explanation. You can understand how the statement was confusing to us,” Sussmann said. “Please try to keep us informed if the FBI says anything else publicly about its investigation.”

Sussmann was the FBI’s point of contact on the investigations into the intrusions into the DCCC and DNC network, according to an email that FBI agent Jennifer Frasch sent in August 2016.

Sussmann was close to the FBI for years and had a badge that allowed him access to the bureau’s headquarters. Sussmann used the badge to gain entry on Sept. 19, 2016, when he handed over sketchy allegations against Trump to FBI lawyer James Baker.

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WSJ: Hillary's role in the Russia Hoax
« Reply #1365 on: June 06, 2022, 01:17:16 PM »
Hillary’s Role in the Russia Smear
The Sussmann trial provides more evidence that she personally directed the effort.
By Douglas Schoen and Andrew Stein
June 5, 2022 1:45 pm ET



The acquittal of former Hillary Clinton lawyer Michael Sussmann—charged with lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation while acting on behalf of her 2016 campaign—leaves major questions unanswered about Mrs. Clinton’s role in her campaign’s effort to tie Donald Trump to Russia. It also provides new evidence that she personally directed the effort.

In July 2016, John Brennan, then director of the Central Intelligence Agency, briefed President Obama that Mrs. Clinton gave “approval” for a “proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up scandal and claiming interference by the Russian security service,” according to Mr. Brennan’s notes from the meeting, which were obtained by Fox News.

During Mr. Sussmann’s trial, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, testified that he and other top aides decided to feed the press a story in October 2016 about the now-disproven allegations of secret ties between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank. Importantly, Mr. Mook said that Mrs. Clinton was aware of, and approved of, this plan. “We discussed it with Hillary,” Mr. Mook testified. “She agreed with the decision.”

When the campaign leaked the unverified story, Clinton aide Jake Sullivan—now President Biden’s national security adviser, and perhaps the foreign-policy adviser to whom Mr. Brennan referred—issued a statement indicating that a probe could be imminent: “We can only assume that federal authorities will now explore this direct connection between Trump and Russia as part of their existing probe into Russia’s meddling in our elections.” Mrs. Clinton tweeted out Mr. Sullivan’s statement.

Another reason to think Mrs. Clinton directed the effort was its sheer cost. The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee paid $12.4 million, $5.6 million of which came from the campaign, to Perkins Coie, Mr. Sussmann’s law firm, to pay Fusion GPS for this opposition research on Trump.

One of us (Mr. Schoen) worked with Mrs. Clinton during her 2000 Senate race and worked closely with President Clinton during his 1996 re-election campaign. In 1996 both Clintons had detailed knowledge of virtually every aspect of the campaign and the Whitewater investigation. Mrs. Clinton is far more precise and organized than her husband, and she is meticulous about campaign spending. It isn’t plausible that her campaign would have spent so much money without her knowing every major aspect of the undertaking—including how this information would be shared with federal authorities.

Mr. Clinton is also obsessed with October surprises. In 1996 he led Bob Dole comfortably, yet six months before the election the campaign had internal conversations about what Dole’s October surprise would be and how the campaign could blunt it. It’s probable that Mrs. Clinton, a prohibitive favorite 20 years later, also worried about October surprises.

FBI director James Comey delivered an October surprise, the revelation that the bureau had reopened its investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s improper use of a private email account to conduct official State Department business. But in September 2016, when Mr. Sussmann went to the FBI, she had every reason to believe the bureau wouldn’t be hostile. Mr. Comey had issued a favorable decision for Mrs. Clinton on the email matter in July 2016, and the wife of then deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe had run for Virginia Senate with the Clintons’ support.

Taken together, the revelations from the Sussmann trial, the resources that went into the campaign’s attempt to tie Trump to Russia, the Clintons’ focus on October surprises, and their cordial relationship with the FBI make it abundantly likely that Mrs. Clinton not only knew about but led the entire smear campaign.

Mr. Schoen was a senior adviser to Bill Clinton’s 1996 campaign, a White House adviser (1994-2000) and an adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2000 U.S. Senate campaign. Mr. Stein, a Democrat, served as New York City Council president, 1986-94.

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, Mueller, Durham, and related matters
« Reply #1366 on: June 06, 2022, 01:27:16 PM »
"In July 2016, John Brennan, then director of the Central Intelligence Agency, briefed President Obama that Mrs. Clinton gave “approval” for a “proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump "

well wait a second.  what about Obama's role

he obviously knew what was going on

and the whole thing was a witch hunt


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« Reply #1367 on: June 06, 2022, 01:37:39 PM »
Good point!

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Re: The Russian conspiracy, Comey, Mueller, Durham, and related matters
« Reply #1368 on: June 08, 2022, 09:40:27 AM »
The one will be protected above all others.


"In July 2016, John Brennan, then director of the Central Intelligence Agency, briefed President Obama that Mrs. Clinton gave “approval” for a “proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump "

well wait a second.  what about Obama's role

he obviously knew what was going on

and the whole thing was a witch hunt

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Yes time to focus on BHO 's involvement
« Reply #1369 on: June 10, 2022, 07:38:34 AM »
https://republicbrief.com/obama-was-in-on-it-more-information-comes-out-that-obama-was-behind-russian-collusion/

some one read my question about O's involvement on this board few days ago....


 :-D

our media need to focus on this

the MSM will respond with the usual lying shysters......and mcCabes etc
and no one will be held to account - yet
so what .

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« Reply #1370 on: June 10, 2022, 10:01:35 AM »
The true narrative of all this needs to be established in the hearts and minds of the American people.

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mccabe on CNN last night bitching about IRS audit
« Reply #1371 on: July 07, 2022, 08:23:06 AM »
oooh. 

ahhhhh.

 :roll:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/comey-mccabe-two-trump-foes-114525783.html

conclusion
orange haired man - bad

leftist media

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DOJ ordered to release Barr memo used to clear Trump of obstruction
« Reply #1372 on: August 19, 2022, 02:59:06 PM »
DOJ ordered to publicly release memo Barr used to clear Trump of obstruction


Attorney General William Barr appears before a House Appropriations subcommittee on Capitol Hill in Washington, April 9, 2019. The Justice Department under Attorney General William Barr improperly withheld portions of an internal memorandum Barr cited in publicly announcing that then-President Donald Trump had not committed obstruction of justice in the Russia investigation. That's the ruling by a federal appeals court Friday. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite, File)  **FILE**
Attorney General William Barr appears before a House Appropriations subcommittee on Capitol Hill in Washington, April 9, 2019. The Justice Department under Attorney General William Barr improperly withheld portions of an internal memorandum Barr cited in publicly announcing that then-President ... more >

By Jeff Mordock - The Washington Times - Friday, August 19, 2022

A federal appeals court upheld the public release of a redacted 2019 Justice Department memo cited by Attorney General William P. Barr as the reason for not charging former President Donald Trump with obstructing the Russia collusion probe.

In a unanimous 28-page decision Friday, a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that the Justice Department, which has spent two years fighting the memo’s release, improperly shielded portions of the memo from the public.

The memo has been long-sought by Mr. Barr’s critics who accuse him of distorting special counsel Robert Mueller’s findings to protect Mr. Trump from obstruction or shield himself from allegations he lied to Congress.


Citizens for Responsibility & Ethics in Washington, a left-leaning open-government organization, filed the lawsuit seeking the memo.

The panel ruled that the memo, which was written by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, was not a legal analysis of whether Mr. Trump should be charged with a crime. Instead, the court ruled it detailed what Mr. Barr should say to Congress and the public about Mr. Mueller’s findings on whether the former president obstructed his investigation.

“Because the Department did not tie the memorandum to deliberations about the relevant decision, the Department failed to justify its reliance on the deliberative-process privilege,” Chief Judge Sri Srinivasan wrote for the panel.

Judge Srinivasan, who was appointed by former President Barack Obama, also wrote that the Justice Department never proved the memo should remain shielded from the public, accusing it of creating a “misimpression” about the nature of its decisional process on whether to charge Mr. Trump with obstructing the Russia probe.

He said the Justice Department was given “ample opportunity” to tie the deliberation process to Mr. Barr’s public messaging, but never did so.

“The Department was given a number of opportunities to justify its withholding of the March 2019 memorandum,” Judge Srinivasan wrote.

The appellate court ruling upholds a May 2021 decision by U.S. Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington.

At the time, the Justice Department vowed it would appeal Judge Jackson’s decision, which accused the government of being “disingenuous” about its reasons for keeping the memo private.

Portions of the memo have been released to the public, but the Justice Department has bristled over releasing the full text, arguing it fell under exceptions to the public records law for attorney-client privilege and government decision-making.

A group of Senate Democrats last year urged Attorney General Merrick Garland not to appeal Judge Jackson’s decision. They said in a letter that Mr. Barr‘s memo needed to be exposed quickly.

In a somewhat surprising move, Mr. Garland ignored the Democrats’ call to abandon the case and pressed forward with the appeal.

“To be clear, these misrepresentations preceded your confirmation as Attorney General, but the Department you now lead bears responsibility for redressing them,” the lawmakers wrote at that time.

Mr. Barr said in 2019 that his decision to clear Mr. Trump of obstruction came in consultation with the Office of Legal Counsel and other department lawyers.

As part of that process, the OLC prepared the memo at issue in Judge Jackson’s decision.

In her 2021 ruling, Judge Jackson said the memo disputes Mr. Barr’s claim that the decision to charge the president “was under his purview” because special counsel Robert Mueller did not reach a conclusion on whether the president obstructed the probe of alleged Trump-Russia collusion.

She also said it appeared that the Justice Department leadership had decided not to prosecute Mr. Trump even before Mr. Mueller submitted his final report.

“The review of the document reveals that the attorney general was not then engaged in making a decision about whether the president should be charged with obstruction of justice; the fact that he would not be prosecuted was a given,” she wrote.

In March 2019, Mr. Barr sent a four-page letter to Congress summarizing Mr. Mueller’s conclusions in his investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russians who meddled in the 2016 presidential election.

Mr. Barr wrote in the letter that after consulting with the OLC, he determined that the investigation did not support charging the president with obstruction.

• Jeff Mordock can be reached at jmordock@washingtontimes.com.

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AMcC: Could Trump talk himself into an indictment?
« Reply #1373 on: August 22, 2022, 06:10:49 PM »
Could Trump Talk Himself into an Indictment?

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
August 22, 2022 2:29 PM

How the former president may be strengthening the hand of DOJ officials who would like to prosecute him
Allow me some speculation here.

I have never believed that the Biden Justice Department wanted to charge former president Trump with criminal offenses over his retention of records from his presidency. There are many reasons for this, but significantly, the difficulty of proving a crime at trial is not one of them. Proving illegality on the facts as we understand them would be a lay-up.

That is why Trump could easily talk himself into being charged if he’s not careful. The fact that this is a case that probably should not be brought does not mean it would be a hard case for the Justice Department to win — in a jury trial in deep blue, deeply anti-Trump Washington, D.C.

There are legal reasons not to bring charges, but they are defenses of law, not of fact. That is, they are based on legal principles that courts and the Justice Department itself might – but also might not — find persuasive.

No former president of the United States has ever been charged with a federal crime. The Constitution does not bar such a prosecution, but the tradition against it is prudent. The presumption this creates against such an indictment should be overcome only for a gravely serious offense.

Retaining presidential records should not meet that high bar. For nearly two centuries, presidents were thought to own these materials. To be sure, post-Watergate legislation, the Presidential Records Act (PRA), has made clear for a half-century that such records are government property. Trump’s reported rationalization that they are his is characteristically petulant.

But we are not talking about the crime of the century here. The PRA was not enacted as a criminal statute. Although other statutes now criminalize illegal government-records retention, there is a good argument that Congress did not envision former presidents being prosecuted for transgressing the PRA. In any event, I sense that what the government really wanted here was to get the records back, especially any highly classified ones. It has now accomplished that. There would not be much more upside in prosecuting Trump over this, particularly weighed against the downside.

The other legal consideration is equal justice under the law. Hillary Clinton unlawfully retained and destroyed thousands of government records. The Obama/Biden Justice Department never searched her home. Moreover, the DOJ made ridiculously accommodating arrangements with her lawyers about what evidence the FBI would be permitted to review, distorted the plain language of statutes in order to rationalize not indicting her for mishandling classified information, and turned a complete blind eye to her conversion and destruction of non-classified government records.

With that as a recent and glaring precedent — a precedent created when Clinton was poised to seek the presidency, just as Trump is today — Trump should not be indicted. Charging him would amount to exactly the same unjustifiably selective prosecution that the Obama/Biden Justice Department claimed prosecuting Clinton would have been.

Then there are the purely political considerations.

The Biden Justice Department should resist being seen as a political weapon. Of course, whenever a Justice Department under one party investigates figures from the opposition party, the claim of partisan animus is sure to be made. But the specter of politicized prosecution is magnified when the target of the prosecution is a likely opponent of the incumbent president in the next election.

Unlike some commentators, I do not believe this situation creates a conflict of interest that necessarily triggers appointment of a special counsel — again, it is just a more intense iteration of a recurring and often unavoidable issue in politically fraught cases. It would be prudent, however, for the Justice Department to avoid being seen as a political tool in the absence of a truly egregious offense.

Many believe that this would be a risk worth running if the DOJ could make a January 6 case against Trump — for reasons I’ve explained, I would agree with that only if there were strong evidence Trump was willfully complicit in the violence, and I do not believe there is such evidence. But records-retention offenses are not serious enough for the Justice Department to immolate itself over: By charging Trump at this point, the DOJ would probably help his political standing — it would appear as if Democrats were looking for any excuse to persecute and derail their arch political nemesis because they fear they can’t beat him fair and square in the 2024 election.

So what could change these calculations? Trump could change them.

The Mar-a-Lago Affidavit Circus

Inside the DOJ, I bet officials are steamed because they believe they’ve acted reasonably, yet Trump and his apologists are accusing prosecutors and the FBI of corruption. The DOJ has not been helped by an erratic Attorney General Merrick Garland, who, despite making a highly unusual public statement about a pending investigation, neither addressed the claims that Trump was making publicly nor shed light on the matters of most importance to the public: Why do a search warrant? Why now? And wasn’t there some less-intrusive way of handling this dispute?

Rest assured, though, that this is how Main Justice and the FBI see things: Trump had no right to retain these records; the retention of highly classified intelligence in an insufficiently secure setting was both illegal and irresponsible; the government had been trying to get him to return this stuff for over a year; there was no reason to believe he would return all the records voluntarily; there was apparently (according to the search warrant) reason to believe Trump would destroy (or already had destroyed) records; and therefore, if the government did not take them forcibly by warrant, the records would never have been returned and preserved as the law mandates.

Moreover, Justice Department officials undoubtedly believe that Trump, despite his complaining, is being given favorable treatment. In the vast majority of investigations in which the FBI and the DOJ go to the trouble of convincing a judge to issue a search warrant because there is probable cause to believe crimes — here, three federal felonies — have been committed, charges quickly follow. What’s more, if the government gets a warrant on probable cause that evidence of a crime will be found in the search, and then that evidence is in fact found in the search, that usually cinches things: The suspect gets indicted.

Here, that hasn’t happened. The Justice Department hasn’t charged Trump even though it (a) convinced a judge that the former president probably committed crimes and (b) then apparently found the inculpatory evidence it predicted would be in his home. The DOJ has cited a statutory crime in the warrant, Section 2071, which seems to make such a case a slam-dunk, regardless of whether the government records in question are classified. And while, as to the few classified documents involved, Trump’s defense that he declassified the documents cannot be dismissed out of hand (as I explained here), the court might disagree. That is, assuming Trump failed to create any written record that he’d declassified the documents, a trial judge might well find that either (a) they are still deemed classified as a matter of law, or (b) it is up to the jury to decide whether the documents are still classified.

This is all to say: I am betting the prosecutors involved in the matter believe they have a strong case and would convict the former president if they could get him in front of a Washington jury — and maybe any jury.

I was a federal prosecutor for a very long time. I handled cases in which there was great controversy over whether criminal charges were the right way to go even if the evidence of guilt seemed convincing. And when I was a boss, I had to make the decision about whether we should charge in such cases. I can attest to this: A major factor in the exercise of prosecutorial discretion is the public perception of the Justice Department’s conduct.

If a suspect is out publicly claiming that the prosecutors, the FBI, and the government generally are corrupt — e.g., that they planted incriminating evidence, lied to court, illegally seized privileged materials, and so on, there is apt to be strong pushback within the DOJ. I assure you that prosecutors and agents whose honor has been besmirched are certain to be pleading with their supervisors to let them charge the case so they can demonstrate to the public that they carried out their duties appropriately and that it is the suspect who willfully violated the law.

Finally, I observed at the start of this column that Trump’s defenses in this case are mainly legal, not factual. That is, they go to whether the Justice Department should bring the case, not whether the conduct it is able to prove violated the law. Does that remind you of any recent case? If you guessed the Steve Bannon case, you’ve aced the course.

The Justice Department’s decision to charge Bannon was controversial, and he had some colorable (if not necessarily persuasive) legal claims for why the indictment was unwarranted. But when these were rejected by the court, he was essentially left with no factual defense that could sway a jury. Perhaps months from now, he will get a sympathetic hearing from an appeals court, but the Washington jury took about a nanosecond to convict him after two-day trial.

There is a lesson in this. Bannon was very public in his attacks on the January 6 committee, the flouting of whose subpoenas were the basis for the case against him. He was public in his attacks on the Biden Justice Department. He might have tried quiet negotiation and belated cooperation. Instead, he portrayed the government as his corrupt, mortal enemy and tried to make that case in the court of public opinion.

How’d that go?

Trump has not been charged. I really hope he is not, because it would be bad for our deeply divided country, and the continued spotlight on Trump is a distraction from what should be a focus on the Democrats’ ruinous policies. I’m betting that if AG Garland really wanted to prosecute the former president for illegally retaining records, the Justice Department would already have charged him, probably at the same time the FBI executed the search warrant, or shortly afterward.

Trump, however, could talk his way into being charged. Every time he publicly attacks the Justice Department’s integrity in this matter, he is strengthening the hand of DOJ officials who are surely urging the attorney general to green-light an indictment.

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Re: AMcC: Could Trump talk himself into an indictment?
« Reply #1374 on: August 22, 2022, 09:56:42 PM »
A new and disgusting low for Deep State Andy.



Could Trump Talk Himself into an Indictment?

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
August 22, 2022 2:29 PM

How the former president may be strengthening the hand of DOJ officials who would like to prosecute him
Allow me some speculation here.

I have never believed that the Biden Justice Department wanted to charge former president Trump with criminal offenses over his retention of records from his presidency. There are many reasons for this, but significantly, the difficulty of proving a crime at trial is not one of them. Proving illegality on the facts as we understand them would be a lay-up.

That is why Trump could easily talk himself into being charged if he’s not careful. The fact that this is a case that probably should not be brought does not mean it would be a hard case for the Justice Department to win — in a jury trial in deep blue, deeply anti-Trump Washington, D.C.

There are legal reasons not to bring charges, but they are defenses of law, not of fact. That is, they are based on legal principles that courts and the Justice Department itself might – but also might not — find persuasive.

No former president of the United States has ever been charged with a federal crime. The Constitution does not bar such a prosecution, but the tradition against it is prudent. The presumption this creates against such an indictment should be overcome only for a gravely serious offense.

Retaining presidential records should not meet that high bar. For nearly two centuries, presidents were thought to own these materials. To be sure, post-Watergate legislation, the Presidential Records Act (PRA), has made clear for a half-century that such records are government property. Trump’s reported rationalization that they are his is characteristically petulant.

But we are not talking about the crime of the century here. The PRA was not enacted as a criminal statute. Although other statutes now criminalize illegal government-records retention, there is a good argument that Congress did not envision former presidents being prosecuted for transgressing the PRA. In any event, I sense that what the government really wanted here was to get the records back, especially any highly classified ones. It has now accomplished that. There would not be much more upside in prosecuting Trump over this, particularly weighed against the downside.

The other legal consideration is equal justice under the law. Hillary Clinton unlawfully retained and destroyed thousands of government records. The Obama/Biden Justice Department never searched her home. Moreover, the DOJ made ridiculously accommodating arrangements with her lawyers about what evidence the FBI would be permitted to review, distorted the plain language of statutes in order to rationalize not indicting her for mishandling classified information, and turned a complete blind eye to her conversion and destruction of non-classified government records.

With that as a recent and glaring precedent — a precedent created when Clinton was poised to seek the presidency, just as Trump is today — Trump should not be indicted. Charging him would amount to exactly the same unjustifiably selective prosecution that the Obama/Biden Justice Department claimed prosecuting Clinton would have been.

Then there are the purely political considerations.

The Biden Justice Department should resist being seen as a political weapon. Of course, whenever a Justice Department under one party investigates figures from the opposition party, the claim of partisan animus is sure to be made. But the specter of politicized prosecution is magnified when the target of the prosecution is a likely opponent of the incumbent president in the next election.

Unlike some commentators, I do not believe this situation creates a conflict of interest that necessarily triggers appointment of a special counsel — again, it is just a more intense iteration of a recurring and often unavoidable issue in politically fraught cases. It would be prudent, however, for the Justice Department to avoid being seen as a political tool in the absence of a truly egregious offense.

Many believe that this would be a risk worth running if the DOJ could make a January 6 case against Trump — for reasons I’ve explained, I would agree with that only if there were strong evidence Trump was willfully complicit in the violence, and I do not believe there is such evidence. But records-retention offenses are not serious enough for the Justice Department to immolate itself over: By charging Trump at this point, the DOJ would probably help his political standing — it would appear as if Democrats were looking for any excuse to persecute and derail their arch political nemesis because they fear they can’t beat him fair and square in the 2024 election.

So what could change these calculations? Trump could change them.

The Mar-a-Lago Affidavit Circus

Inside the DOJ, I bet officials are steamed because they believe they’ve acted reasonably, yet Trump and his apologists are accusing prosecutors and the FBI of corruption. The DOJ has not been helped by an erratic Attorney General Merrick Garland, who, despite making a highly unusual public statement about a pending investigation, neither addressed the claims that Trump was making publicly nor shed light on the matters of most importance to the public: Why do a search warrant? Why now? And wasn’t there some less-intrusive way of handling this dispute?

Rest assured, though, that this is how Main Justice and the FBI see things: Trump had no right to retain these records; the retention of highly classified intelligence in an insufficiently secure setting was both illegal and irresponsible; the government had been trying to get him to return this stuff for over a year; there was no reason to believe he would return all the records voluntarily; there was apparently (according to the search warrant) reason to believe Trump would destroy (or already had destroyed) records; and therefore, if the government did not take them forcibly by warrant, the records would never have been returned and preserved as the law mandates.

Moreover, Justice Department officials undoubtedly believe that Trump, despite his complaining, is being given favorable treatment. In the vast majority of investigations in which the FBI and the DOJ go to the trouble of convincing a judge to issue a search warrant because there is probable cause to believe crimes — here, three federal felonies — have been committed, charges quickly follow. What’s more, if the government gets a warrant on probable cause that evidence of a crime will be found in the search, and then that evidence is in fact found in the search, that usually cinches things: The suspect gets indicted.

Here, that hasn’t happened. The Justice Department hasn’t charged Trump even though it (a) convinced a judge that the former president probably committed crimes and (b) then apparently found the inculpatory evidence it predicted would be in his home. The DOJ has cited a statutory crime in the warrant, Section 2071, which seems to make such a case a slam-dunk, regardless of whether the government records in question are classified. And while, as to the few classified documents involved, Trump’s defense that he declassified the documents cannot be dismissed out of hand (as I explained here), the court might disagree. That is, assuming Trump failed to create any written record that he’d declassified the documents, a trial judge might well find that either (a) they are still deemed classified as a matter of law, or (b) it is up to the jury to decide whether the documents are still classified.

This is all to say: I am betting the prosecutors involved in the matter believe they have a strong case and would convict the former president if they could get him in front of a Washington jury — and maybe any jury.

I was a federal prosecutor for a very long time. I handled cases in which there was great controversy over whether criminal charges were the right way to go even if the evidence of guilt seemed convincing. And when I was a boss, I had to make the decision about whether we should charge in such cases. I can attest to this: A major factor in the exercise of prosecutorial discretion is the public perception of the Justice Department’s conduct.

If a suspect is out publicly claiming that the prosecutors, the FBI, and the government generally are corrupt — e.g., that they planted incriminating evidence, lied to court, illegally seized privileged materials, and so on, there is apt to be strong pushback within the DOJ. I assure you that prosecutors and agents whose honor has been besmirched are certain to be pleading with their supervisors to let them charge the case so they can demonstrate to the public that they carried out their duties appropriately and that it is the suspect who willfully violated the law.

Finally, I observed at the start of this column that Trump’s defenses in this case are mainly legal, not factual. That is, they go to whether the Justice Department should bring the case, not whether the conduct it is able to prove violated the law. Does that remind you of any recent case? If you guessed the Steve Bannon case, you’ve aced the course.

The Justice Department’s decision to charge Bannon was controversial, and he had some colorable (if not necessarily persuasive) legal claims for why the indictment was unwarranted. But when these were rejected by the court, he was essentially left with no factual defense that could sway a jury. Perhaps months from now, he will get a sympathetic hearing from an appeals court, but the Washington jury took about a nanosecond to convict him after two-day trial.

There is a lesson in this. Bannon was very public in his attacks on the January 6 committee, the flouting of whose subpoenas were the basis for the case against him. He was public in his attacks on the Biden Justice Department. He might have tried quiet negotiation and belated cooperation. Instead, he portrayed the government as his corrupt, mortal enemy and tried to make that case in the court of public opinion.

How’d that go?

Trump has not been charged. I really hope he is not, because it would be bad for our deeply divided country, and the continued spotlight on Trump is a distraction from what should be a focus on the Democrats’ ruinous policies. I’m betting that if AG Garland really wanted to prosecute the former president for illegally retaining records, the Justice Department would already have charged him, probably at the same time the FBI executed the search warrant, or shortly afterward.

Trump, however, could talk his way into being charged. Every time he publicly attacks the Justice Department’s integrity in this matter, he is strengthening the hand of DOJ officials who are surely urging the attorney general to green-light an indictment.

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Re: AMcC: Could Trump talk himself into an indictment?
« Reply #1375 on: August 23, 2022, 08:40:33 AM »
"No former president of the United States has ever been charged with a federal crime.
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... presumption... should be overcome only for a gravely serious offense."
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One small problem with the entire framing,  Democrats including DOJ do not see Donald Trump as a former President.   They seek to keep him from being the next President.

(Much to agree with in the column.  Interesting that they have not charged him yet even after allegedly finding and taking what was sought.)
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" Every time he publicly attacks the Justice Department’s integrity in this matter,"

   -  Who is going to do that if he doesn't?

It's going to be a VERY public trial, not the two day Bannon trial.

If convicted of a technical violation,  he can run on the platform of pardoning himself of a wrongful charge,

If Trump wins the R nomination,  Biden or a judge could stay the sentence.   It doesn't look good to have your opponents locked up.
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Rivkin & Casey: Trump Warrant had no legal basis
« Reply #1379 on: August 23, 2022, 03:29:43 PM »
Rivkin and Casey are serious heavyweight attorneys:
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The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis
A former president’s rights under the Presidential Records Act trump the statutes the FBI cited to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid.
By David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey
Aug. 22, 2022 12:51 pm ET



Was the Federal Bureau of Investigation justified in searching Donald Trump’s residence at Mar-a-Lago? The judge who issued the warrant for Mar-a-Lago has signaled that he is likely to release a redacted version of the affidavit supporting it. But the warrant itself suggests the answer is likely no—the FBI had no legally valid cause for the raid.

The warrant authorized the FBI to seize “all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§793, 2071, or 1519” (emphasis added). These three criminal statutes all address the possession and handling of materials that contain national-security information, public records or material relevant to an investigation or other matters properly before a federal agency or the courts.

The materials to be seized included “any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021”—i.e., during Mr. Trump’s term of office. Virtually all the materials at Mar-a-Lago are likely to fall within this category. Federal law gives Mr. Trump a right of access to them. His possession of them is entirely consistent with that right, and therefore lawful, regardless of the statutes the FBI cites in its warrant.

Those statutes are general in their text and application. But Mr. Trump’s documents are covered by a specific statute, the Presidential Records Act of 1978. It has long been the Supreme Court position, as stated in Morton v. Mancari (1974), that “where there is no clear intention otherwise, a specific statute will not be controlled or nullified by a general one, regardless of the priority of enactment.” The former president’s rights under the PRA trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites.

The PRA dramatically changed the rules regarding ownership and treatment of presidential documents. Presidents from George Washington through Jimmy Carter treated their White House papers as their personal property, and neither Congress nor the courts disputed that. In Nixon v. U.S. (1992), the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia held that Richard Nixon had a right to compensation for his presidential papers, which the government had retained under the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (which applied only to him). “Custom and usage evidences the kind of mutually explicit understandings that are encompassed within the constitutional notion of ‘property’ protected by the Fifth Amendment,” the judges declared.

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The PRA became effective in 1981, at the start of Ronald Reagan’s presidency. It established a unique statutory scheme, balancing the needs of the government, former presidents and history. The law declares presidential records to be public property and provides that “the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records.”

The PRA lays out detailed requirements for how the archivist is to administer the records, handle privilege claims, make the records public, and impose restrictions on access. Notably, it doesn’t address the process by which a former president’s records are physically to be turned over to the archivist, or set any deadline, leaving this matter to be negotiated between the archivist and the former president.

The PRA explicitly guarantees a former president continuing access to his papers. Those papers must ultimately be made public, but in the meantime—unlike with all other government documents, which are available 24/7 to currently serving executive-branch officials—the PRA establishes restrictions on access to a former president’s records, including a five-year restriction on access applicable to everyone (including the sitting president, absent a showing of need), which can be extended until the records have been properly reviewed and processed. Before leaving office, a president can restrict access to certain materials for up to 12 years.

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The only exceptions are for National Archives personnel working on the materials, judicial process, the incumbent president and Congress (in cases of established need) and the former president himself. PRA section 2205(3) specifically commands that “the Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President or the former President’s designated representative,” regardless of any of these restrictions.

Nothing in the PRA suggests that the former president’s physical custody of his records can be considered unlawful under the statutes on which the Mar-a-Lago warrant is based. Yet the statute’s text makes clear that Congress considered how certain criminal-law provisions would interact with the PRA: It provides that the archivist is not to make materials available to the former president’s designated representative “if that individual has been convicted of a crime relating to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records of the Archives.”

Nothing is said about the former president himself, but applying these general criminal statutes to him based on his mere possession of records would vitiate the entire carefully balanced PRA statutory scheme. Thus if the Justice Department’s sole complaint is that Mr. Trump had in his possession presidential records he took with him from the White House, he should be in the clear, even if some of those records are classified.

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In making a former president’s records available to him, the PRA doesn’t distinguish between materials that are and aren’t classified. That was a deliberate choice by Congress, as the existence of highly classified materials at the White House was a given long before 1978, and the statute specifically contemplates that classified materials will be present—making this a basis on which a president can impose a 12-year moratorium on public access.

The government obviously has an important interest in how classified materials are kept, whether or not they are presidential records. In this case, it appears that the FBI was initially satisfied with the installation of an additional lock on the relevant Mar-a-Lago storage room. If that was insufficient, and Mr. Trump refused to cooperate, the bureau could and should have sought a less intrusive judicial remedy than a search warrant—a restraining order allowing the materials to be moved to a location with the proper storage facilities, but also ensuring Mr. Trump continuing access. Surely that’s what the government would have done if any other former president were involved.

Messrs. Rivkin and Casey practice appellate and constitutional law in Washington. They served at the Justice Department and the White House Counsel’s Office in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations.



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Herwith the condensed version of the Rivkin & Casey piece:

AMcM is 100% wrong.


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WSJ: Trial by leaks
« Reply #1384 on: August 24, 2022, 02:19:22 PM »
Washington’s Mar-a-Lago Prosecution by Leaks
The Justice Department wants the search affidavit secret while details spill to the press.
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Aug. 23, 2022 6:43 pm ET


Merrick Garland opened a press briefing two weeks ago with the words, “Since I became Attorney General, I have made clear that the Department of Justice will speak through its court filings and its work.” Then how does the Right Honorable Attorney General explain the multiple leaks to the press concerning the Department of Justice investigation of Donald Trump’s handling of presidential documents?

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It sure looks like someone is prosecuting the case through the media. The latest example arrived Monday in a dispatch in the New York Times that Justice has recovered “more than 300 documents with classified markings” from Mr. Trump since he left office.

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Which documents? The report doesn’t say. But, rest assured, they “included documents from the C.I.A., the National Security Agency and the F.B.I. spanning a variety of topics of national security interest, a person briefed on the matter said.” Ah, there’s our old friend, a person briefed on the matter. Nice to hear from you again, whoever you are.

This follows the Aug. 11 Washington Post report that the Federal Bureau of Investigation agents who searched Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home were looking for “classified documents relating to nuclear weapons.” Which nuclear secrets the Post didn’t say, and the search warrant released later included no mention of documents related to nuclear weapons.

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As the leakers know, these reports are an attempt to justify to the public the extraordinary search of a former President’s home. They have the effect of suggesting that Mr. Trump may have committed a crime in mishandling the documents. They also keep the former President at the center of the 2022 midterm election campaign, which is exactly where Democrats in Congress want him.

Meanwhile, Mr. Garland’s lawyers are telling federal Judge Bruce Reinhart that the legal affidavit with more details about the search shouldn’t be released to the public. Or that, if the judge releases it, the affidavit should be so heavily redacted as to tell the public and Mr. Trump’s lawyers very little.

In other words, “a person briefed on the matter” can leak details about the investigation to the press that the public is supposed to credit as true. But the actual “court filings and its work,” in Mr. Garland’s phrase, must remain secret. And these people wonder why tens of millions of Americans don’t trust the Justice Department and FBI?


If this all sounds familiar, you may be thinking of the Russia collusion probe. That story was also fed by leaks to the press with episodes that were portrayed as ominous—“the walls are closing in”—but often turned out to have innocent provenance or far less consequence. We later found out the entire collusion probe was a political concoction promoted by a lawyer for Hillary Clinton with an assist from Justice and James Comey’s FBI.

Meanwhile, a report Tuesday in Just The News says that officials at the White House gave the green light to Justice and the National Archives to pursue the documents case by nixing Mr. Trump’s claim of executive privilege. The reporter, John Solomon, is Mr. Trump’s representative to the Archives, but the documents he cites appear to be genuine. Don’t expect this to get page one play in most of the press, but for those who want to do more than take Justice dictation this news isn’t reassuring that the probe is apolitical.

Two weeks since the Mar-a-Lago search, the legal case also doesn’t look any stronger. Lawyers David Rivkin and Lee Casey made a compelling case Tuesday on these pages that Mr. Trump has every right to hold the documents for a time at his home under the 1978 Presidential Records Act. If there is a dispute over them, that is a matter for negotiation and at most a minor sanction. Their argument is stronger than anything we’ve read so far about possible violations by Mr. Trump of the Espionage Act or some obstruction of justice charge.

Perhaps Mr. Garland’s prosecutors are sitting on bombshell evidence that Mr. Trump did something nefarious with the documents. But then putting that doubt in the public mind is one purpose of the leaks—make it all look bad without having to prove it.

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All of which goes back to the question of prosecutorial discretion. Mr. Garland may think he is being scrupulous about the law in pursuing Mr. Trump, but he has opened a political trauma room. If he doesn’t have a solid case that Mr. Trump committed serious crimes, with evidence that a majority of the public will find persuasive, he should settle the whole matter quickly. Prosecution by leak is hurting Justice as much as it is Mr. Trump.

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FBI, Mar a Lago, factual errors on the affidavit?
« Reply #1390 on: August 28, 2022, 06:38:06 AM »
One take on the raid,  Paul Sperry. (Don't know the accuracy.)

https://gettr.com/post/p1ojosgd2c0

The FBI affiant who swore to the Mar-a-Lago search warrant appears to have made a critical factual error by stating in the unsealed affidavit: “I do not believe that any spaces within the PREMISES have been authorized for the storage of classified information.” This finding, which is the linchpin of the criminal case vs. Trump, overlooks the fact that:

1) White House records confirm that a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) authorizing the briefing and storage of classified material up to the TS/SCI level had in fact been installed at Mar-a-Lago; and,

2) records show that the Secret Service had recently awarded a nearly $600,000 contract to upgrade physical security within the premises at Mar-a-Lago for Trump’s post-presidency transition

Sperry later posted:

DEVELOPING: The unsealed FBI affidavit contains several oddities:

1. No where does it flat-out say “classified information” was found in Trump’s 15 boxes. On page 2, it refers only to docs “with classification markings,” which raises the specter they were no longer classified

2. It states the docs “appear” to contain National Defense Information. But agents “triaged” the boxes; they would know if they contain NDI or not

3. The affiant claimed “there is probable cause to believe evidence of obstruction will be found at the premises,” yet there’s no “obstruction” header or section spelling out why he believes this

4. He said he doesn’t believe “any spaces” w/in Mar-a-Lago are “currently” authorized for storage of classified info. So they were, but not “currently”?
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https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/authors/paul_sperry/
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DOJ Says FBI Agents Took Potentially ‘Privileged’ Materials in Trump Raid
By Jack Phillips August 29, 2022

Officials have completed their examination of documents that were taken during a raid on former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and it’s possible that “attorney-client privileged information” was seized by FBI agents, the Department of Justice stated in an Aug. 29 filing.

The Justice Department (DOJ) was responding to a motion filed by Trump to request the appointment of a special master to review the seized documents.

The DOJ’s “privilege review team” was tasked with reviewing the documents, prosecutors said in the Aug. 29 legal brief (pdf), coming in response to a weekend ruling by U.S. District Judge Aileen M. Cannon to schedule a hearing on whether an independent third party to oversee the department’s combing of evidence is needed.

That team “identified a limited set of materials that potentially contain attorney-client privileged information, completed its review of those materials, and is in the process of following the procedures,” according to the DOJ’s filing, which noted that the review was carried out before Trump’s request. Prosecutors will provide more information this week, they said.

The procedures include asking the court to make a determination on possibly privileged material and asking Trump’s lawyers whether they will assert privilege, according to the filing.

“Additionally, the Department of Justice and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) are currently facilitating a classification review of materials recovered pursuant to the search,” prosecutors said. “As the Director of National Intelligence advised Congress, ODNI is also leading an intelligence community assessment of the potential risk to national security that would result from the disclosure of these materials.”

About a week prior in a court motion, Trump’s legal team called the FBI search of his property politically motivated and aggressive.

Trump and members of his team have said that while in office, the former president declassified a range of materials.

Cannon, in response, wrote on Aug. 27 that she’ll likely approve a special master to look at the documents and other materials. A special master—usually a retired judge or prosecutor—is a neutral third party that’s used to settle some legal disputes such as those involving attorney-client privilege.

“Pursuant to Rule 53(b) (1) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Court’s inherent authority, and without prejudice to the parties’ objections, the Court hereby provides notice of its preliminary intent to appoint a special master in this case,” Cannon wrote (pdf).

However, the Trump-appointed judge stipulated that the Aug. 27 order “should not be construed as a final determination on Plaintiff’s Motion.”

Cannon isn’t the same judge who approved the FBI search warrant of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence earlier this month and who last week approved the release of a heavily redacted Justice Department affidavit used to obtain the warrant. Days before he ordered the release of the affidavit, U.S. Judge Bruce Reinhart also unsealed a warrant and property receipt in the search.

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Federal authorities took about two dozen boxes of materials from Mar-a-Lago on Aug. 8 that were allegedly classified or top secret, according to the property receipt. Avril Haines, head of the ODNI, told congressional lawmakers on Aug. 26 that U.S. intelligence officials will review the materials.

The significantly redacted affidavit unsealed on Aug. 26 revealed that agents were attempting to obtain “physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of three potential crimes.” Since the raid, neither the DOJ nor the FBI have publicly disclosed what the agents were searching for or why.


Trump’s complaint last week noted that agents and Justice Department authorities, including top intelligence official Jay Bratt, visited Mar-a-Lago about two months before the raid. The affidavit also noted that DOJ officials told Trump’s team to place additional security on a storage room that apparently held the documents.

Federal officials were greeted by Trump’s lawyers on June 8 when they arrived to retrieve some documents, Trump’s filing states (pdf). The agents were shown a basement storage room with boxes of documents and memorabilia from when Trump was president.

The filing also claimed that after one FBI agent saw the storage room, they told Trump’s team: “Thank you. You did not need to show us the storage room, but we appreciate it. Now it all makes sense.”

In the Mar-a-Lago storage room, there were “boxes, many containing the clothing and personal items of President Trump and the First Lady,” according to the complaint. Department of Justice official Jay Bratt asked the Trump team to secure that storage room and the former president “directed his staff to place a second lock on the door,” it reads.

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Notice how the "ORANGEMANBAD has nuke secrets" narrative has disappeared
« Reply #1393 on: August 30, 2022, 07:56:08 AM »
Meanwhile, the documents showing FBI corruption have been reclassified/hidden.

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« Reply #1395 on: August 30, 2022, 06:23:18 PM »
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
August 30, 2022 10:35 AM

If I were the judge on the case, I’d be furious.

The Trump legal team’s inexplicable delay in seeking court intervention, in the form of a so-called special master, has had the predictable consequence: Even before the court could rule on the belated request, the Justice Department completed its review of the documents and made unilateral determinations about what was potentially privileged.

The DOJ’s “privilege-review team” has presumably disseminated what it determined to be the non-privileged documents (the vast majority of what was seized) to the “case team” (i.e., the prosecutors and agents working on the investigation). As a result, even though the Trump team’s application for court intervention had merit, the Justice Department has laid the groundwork to argue that the point is moot. In fact, case prosecutors seem poised to blast the former president and his legal team, having obtained leave to file a lengthy submission on Tuesday rebutting their factual and legal claims.

If I were the judge on the case, I’d be furious.

Of course, I’m not the judge on the case. I am an analyst — and one who does not believe the Justice Department intends to prosecute Trump for mishandling classified information or records-retention violations. Therefore, I’m not surprised that prosecutors are living dangerously. But it’s worth observing that they are being presumptuous, heedlessly so in my view.

Understand: Although it’s the Trump camp that moved for a special master — i.e., a court-appointed arbiter to make determinations about what documents are privileged, rather than allowing the Justice Department to do this unilaterally — such a procedure protects the government’s interests, too. Prosecutors and investigators who are exposed to a suspect’s privileged information may be disqualified from participating in any prosecution. If privileged information is found to have informed investigative or charging decisions, it is possible that charges could be dismissed. Appointment of a special master can forfend these problems.

Of course, if you’re not planning on bringing charges, you don’t pause much over such concerns.

The Justice Department has been extremely aggressive here. First, note that in the warrant affidavit (at pp. 31-32), the DOJ acknowledges only that Trump may have attorney-client privilege (ACP). To the contrary, Trump is claiming both ACP and executive privilege — based, as we’ve noted in other contexts, on the Supreme Court’s post-Watergate case, Nixon v. Administrator (1977), which instructed that former presidents maintain some unspecified quantum of executive privilege over materials generated by their presidency. As the Court put it:

The confidentiality necessary to this exchange [of “full and frank submissions of facts and opinion” between the president and his advisers] cannot be measured by the few months or years between the submission of the information and the end of the President’s tenure; the privilege is not for the benefit of the President as an individual, but for the benefit of the Republic. Therefore the privilege survives the individual President’s tenure. [Emphasis added. Citations and internal quotations omitted.]

To be sure, Nixon elaborated that an incumbent president’s assessment of the prior president’s privilege assertion was entitled to great weight. Ergo, in our present case, President Biden’s decision not to support former President Trump’s privilege invocation is significant. But is it dispositive? The Justice Department is making a giant leap in concluding that it is. To be clear, I believe prosecutors are probably right about that. Still, it’s no sure thing. (Compare, e.g., Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s opinion, here.)

Yes, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals (affirmed by the Supreme Court) relied heavily on Biden’s opposition to Trump’s privilege claims in deciding that certain Trump presidential materials should be disclosed to the House January 6 committee. But Biden was not making a blanket waiver of any Trump privilege claims; he was making a narrow waiver, specifically related to the investigation of the Capitol riot.

The D.C. Circuit did not hold that Trump had no conceivable claim of executive privilege. That question was not raised. Yet, the DOJ seems to be assuming that it was not only raised but decided conclusively — as is the Acting National Archivist Debra Seidel Wall, whose May 10, 2022, letter rejected Trump’s privilege claim on the advice of Biden’s Justice Department.

Since this issue has not been decided by the courts, it would have been better if the Justice Department and FBI had flagged it for the court in the warrant affidavit. They should have explained to Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart that they were taking the position that Trump had no executive privilege, and therefore that the special “filter” procedures for handling privileged information did not have to account for executive privilege — only attorney-client privilege. After all, as we’ve discussed in connection with classified FISA proceedings, when the government is permitted to make an ex parte investigative application, with the suspect given no notice and no opportunity to be heard in opposition, the Justice Department has a heightened obligation to be forthright with the court. But the Justice Department does not appear to have alerted Reinhart to the scope-of-privilege issue (unless it did so in what’s been redacted, which seems unlikely). There is, moreover, no indication that Reinhart raised the question of executive privilege on his own.

Why wouldn’t the DOJ highlight the issue? That seems obvious: If executive privilege is viable, it would block from DOJ review a much broader array of documents than would be blocked by attorney-client privilege. It would potentially have covered all conversations Trump had with his advisers, conversations subordinates had to carry out policy, and work product flowing therefrom. The documents that are covered only by ACP are, no doubt, a small subset of that.

This is worth noting because the Justice Department has already gotten through its review of what it deemed to be privileged information — by assuming that what was potentially privileged was much narrower than what Trump claims is privileged.

On Monday afternoon, the New York Times reports, prosecutors informed Judge Aileen M. Cannon (the federal district judge in Florida before whom Trump’s petition for a special master is being litigated) that the privilege-review team has finished its work. By the terms of the procedures outlined in the warrant affidavit, once that team “determines that documents or data are not potentially attorney-client privileged, they will be provided to the law-enforcement personnel assigned to the investigation.”

In other words, what’s the point of having a special master? The Justice Department is not only saying there is no point, it is making sure there is no point. Because the DOJ continued with its privilege review, even as the court said it wanted to consider installing a special master, the point is moot. That is, the thing the special master would have overseen — namely, the transfer of documents to the investigative team only after ensuring that privileged materials were not included — has already happened.

This is Justice Department hardball. Remember, in the Hillary Clinton emails case, the DOJ purported to be so fearful of impinging on the attorney-client privilege that, far from seizing evidence by search warrants, it engaged in indulgent negotiations and allowed the Clinton team to impose conditions on the FBI’s examination of evidence.

Not so with Trump. Here, despite knowing that a former president of the United States was seeking court intervention, the DOJ rushed through a unilateral privilege-review process. Not only did the DOJ ignore the scope of Trump’s privilege claims, it quite intentionally frustrated the capacity of the court to supervise the review of potentially privileged documents.

On the other hand, the DOJ will surely counter that: (a) Prosecutors and the FBI made full disclosure of their intentions to unilaterally decide privilege issues when they submitted the search-warrant application to Magistrate Judge Reinhart; (b) the Trump team sat on its hands for two weeks rather than promptly seek a special master when it knew the Justice Department was performing this review; and (c) Judge Cannon did not grant Trump’s request that the court instruct the Justice Department to cease and desist its review until the court could sort out the special-master issue.

I want to focus on (c). To repeat, if I were the judge, I’d be livid.

It does not appear that Judge Cannon expressly denied the Trump team’s cease-and-desist request. To recap, Trump’s initial motion for a special master was deficient. The judge instructed Trump’s counsel to clarify it by last Friday. The lawyers did so, making various claims for relief. Among these, they asked the court to direct the Justice Department to suspend the privilege review.

Preliminarily, Cannon indicated that she believed the motion for a special master had merit, and that the government should provide Trump with a more detailed inventory of the property seized from Mar-a-Lago. But being cautious, she wanted to hear from the Justice Department and directed that the DOJ respond by Tuesday (August 30), in anticipation of a hearing Cannon planned to hold on Thursday (September 1).

To summarize: As tends to happen in complex litigation in a compressed time frame, the judge did not rule one way or the other on Trump’s cease-and-desist motion. I sense that she thought she’d made clear to the government that it should not do anything that would change — and, especially, irretrievably change — the status quo. The DOJ should just file its response Tuesday, be ready for a hearing Thursday, and do nothing of consequence in the interim.

To the contrary, the Justice Department acted in a way that makes Thursday’s hearing pointless. That seems awfully cheeky.

As noted, Cannon did not explicitly rule, one way or the other, on Trump’s cease-and-desist request. In that situation, I believe that any scrupulous DOJ prosecutor, before allowing the DOJ’s review of Mar-a-Lago documents to continue, would have felt obliged to inform the court that, having gotten no ruling on Trump’s cease-and-desist request, the Justice Department intended to proceed. That way, if the judge had inadvertently overlooked Trump’s cease-and-desist request, she’d have had a chance to rule on it, one way or the other, before the DOJ took actions that would undermine the judge’s ability to decide the matter. (Federal judges typically do not leave litigants to wonder what silence means — they explicitly grant or deny requests for relief.)

That was not what this Justice Department opted to do, despite being led by a highly experienced former federal judge. In these unprecedented circumstances, though one would think the byword would be caution, the Justice Department just put its head down and bored through its privilege review, heedless of whether this was consistent with the court’s wishes.

Many judges would get pretty steamed about that. It will be interesting to observe how Judge Cannon reacts. For now, I would simply say that, if the Justice Department’s filter team — inadvertently or not — passed along to its investigative team materials that were privileged, this would mainly be a problem only if the government intended to prosecute. The investigators’ exposure to privileged information might trigger disqualification of “tainted” prosecutors or dismissal of charges.

By contrast, if there isn’t going to be an indictment, then there’s nothing much to worry about. The government can afford to be very aggressive, both in its narrow construction of privilege and in its determination to bull through the privilege-review process without waiting on such inconveniences as judicial review. The Justice Department can afford to irritate the court if there is not going to be a courtroom prosecution.

Again, I don’t think the Justice Department intends to prosecute Trump on classified information and records-retention offenses. I think the government just wanted its documents back — to restore order, to conduct a damage assessment regarding any national-security compromises, and to assess whether any documents bear on the DOJ’s January 6 investigation.

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Trump is in trouble - on technicalities, document storage.  I expect a big news conference soon probably by Garland making the case that Trump is guilty but won't be prosecuted, removing the possibility of Trump vindicating himself in court.

Documents were found in his personal desk, not all in the storage as promised.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/31/trump-fbi-raid-doj-says-docs-were-likely-concealed-and-removed-at-mar-a-lago/

SOME documents "marked top secret" might in fact have been declassified but not marked as such.

SOME documents taken MAY HAVE been protected by attorney client privilege.  The Federal government, being the adversary, should not be reading those documents.
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The law, like the constitution and like gender is whatever the left wants it to be.


Trump is in trouble - on technicalities - unlikely to be prosecuted. 

Documents were found in his personal desk, not all in the storage as promised.

SOME documents "marked top secret" might in fact have been declassified but not marked as such.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/31/trump-fbi-raid-doj-says-docs-were-likely-concealed-and-removed-at-mar-a-lago/

SOME documents taken MAY HAVE been protected by attorney client privilege.  The Federal government, being the adversary, should not be reading those documents.

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AMcC: Trump Indictment coming?
« Reply #1398 on: September 01, 2022, 12:04:01 AM »
Why Yesterday’s DOJ Filing Suggests a Trump Indictment Is Coming
By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
August 31, 2022 3:07 PM

Former president Trump is likely to be charged with obstruction of justice and causing false statements to be made to investigators.
Former president Donald Trump is facing the very serious prospect of being indicted for obstruction of justice and causing false statements to be made to the government. That is the upshot of a court submission filed by the Justice Department on Tuesday night, in response to the Trump camp’s belated motion for the appointment of a special master to review materials seized three weeks ago from the former president’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

Last week, when an extensively redacted version of the affidavit supporting the Mar-a-Lago search warrant was released, I opined that “perhaps the most overlooked sentence” in the document was this one: “There is also probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction will be found at the PREMISES.” The government’s Tuesday night court filing bears that out.

The submission also illustrates that, while the affidavit remains substantially under wraps, we already know the gist of it (as I explained last week). Prosecutors begin with a factual recitation (pp. 2-13) that substantially echoes a letter written by Archivist Debra Seidel Wall to Trump’s counsel — covering events from the time Trump left office on January 20, 2021, through May 10, the date of Wall’s letter.

Moreover, we already knew that after Wall’s letter there followed (a) an initial grand-jury subpoena for classified documents, served on May 11; (b) a meeting at Mar-a-Lago on June 3, which, contrary to Trump’s public depiction of an amicable negotiation session between his lawyers and DOJ officials (into which Trump himself popped in), was actually compliance — or as it turned out, non-compliance — with a grand-jury subpoena in an active criminal investigation; and (c) a second grand-jury subpoena, served on June 22, for Mar-a-Lago surveillance video. These events dovetailed with the FBI’s interviews of Mar-a-Lago employees and Trump’s post-presidency staffers, as well as the bureau’s review of the surveillance video. In combination, these convinced the government of what it already suspected at the time of the June 3 meeting: Trump was lying about how much classified information he was hoarding, and about where he was hoarding it.

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Consequently, even without the new submission, we already knew that the Justice Department believed the unprecedented execution of a court-authorized search warrant at the home of a former American president was fully justified because: (a) the government had exhausted other options, after not just 18 months of trying to reason with Trump but, especially, his flouting of a grand-jury subpoena (i.e., even though he knew things had been elevated to a criminal investigation, he nevertheless engaged in conduct punishable by imprisonment); (b) there was a high likelihood that Trump was continuing to direct the movement, concealment, and perhaps destruction of classified documents which, as the Trump camp’s June 3 machinations showed, the former president had no intention of surrendering to the government; and (c) there was a vital need for U.S. intelligence agencies to re-acquire any highly classified intelligence that had been mishandled (and was still being mishandled), in order to assess the damage that mishandling had done to national security.

Although we already knew all these things, the new Justice Department submission fills in some salient gaps.

1. No Claim of Declassification

In January 2022, when Trump initially surrendered 15 boxes of presidential records — only after months of pleading by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), which finally prompted NARA to warn that it would have to involve Congress if Trump persisted in ignoring the Presidential Records Act — a prodigious amount of classified information was included. At the time that this material — 184 distinct documents, containing over 700 pages classified at the highest levels — was handed over to NARA, Trump made no claim that it had been declassified. Furthermore, in subsequent correspondence, even after NARA pointed out that much of the material appeared to be classified, Trump’s counsel never made any claim that Trump had declassified any of it, much less all of it.

2. An Implied Admission that Nothing Was Ever Declassified

The June 3 Mar-a-Lago meeting occurred pursuant to a grand-jury subpoena, which demanded the surrender of “any and all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings.” The subpoena instructed that, in lieu of a personal appearance by Trump’s records custodian before the grand jury in Washington, D.C., the documents could be surrendered to the FBI “at the place of their location” (presumably, Mar-a-Lago), provided that the custodian executed a “sworn certification that the documents represent all responsive records” that would be transmitted to the grand jury (i.e., the equivalent of the sworn testimony that would have been sought if Trump’s custodian had personally appeared before the grand jury).

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To repeat, contrary to Trump’s public claims, this was not an amicable visit in which a totally cooperative, completely transparent former president hosted some government officials. It was a meeting under duress: a legally mandated response to a subpoena (i.e, a court order, enforceable by criminal law), directly occasioned by the former president’s obdurate lack of cooperation. Indeed, in its submission, the Justice Department drops a footnote (p. 9, n. 4) that pointedly refutes the claim that Trump is the one who “determined a search for the [classified] materials should be conducted.” Instead, the search was conducted because a subpoena demanded that it be conducted.

Beyond that, the Justice Department’s filing offers a significant point about classification: The subpoena required the production of any classified records in Trump’s possession, and Trump (through his representatives) produced documents on the recognition that they were classified documents responsive to the subpoena. Neither Trump nor his representatives ever claimed that he’d declassified any of the documents. They never claimed that he did not need to comply with the subpoena because any documents in his possession were no longer classified. His compliance with the subpoena — though only partial and deceptive — was tantamount to an admission that he’d been retaining classified documents in an unauthorized location, in violation of federal criminal law.

3. The Government Clearly Has Witnesses

Even before its mid May review of the first 15 boxes Trump gave NARA, the FBI already had one or more witnesses who’d informed the bureau that Trump was still hoarding classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

After being delayed by Trump’s futile attempts to stall and assert privilege, the FBI’s review, which took three days, commenced on May 16. Yet, notice that the grand-jury subpoena demanding all classified documents stored at Mar-a-Lago was issued on May 11 — five days earlier.

The Justice Department’s submission explains that by the time the May 11 subpoena was issued, the FBI had “developed evidence” indicating that “dozens of additional boxes” of records were still being held at the Florida estate. The filing does not say what this evidence was, or how it was developed. The prosecutors omit this information because, they say, they’re worried about intimidation of witnesses and other obstructive conduct. They also emphasize that Magistrate Judge Reinhart found probable cause to believe that criminal obstruction had occurred when he approved the search warrant on August 5; and, in thereafter explaining why he would not order disclosure of the unredacted affidavit, Reinhart concluded that revealing this type of information could “impede the ongoing investigation through obstruction of justice and witness intimidation or retaliation.”

4. False Statements, Including Under Oath, to the FBI and the Grand Jury

At the June 3 Mar-a-Lago meeting, Trump’s representatives provided the sworn statement demanded by the subpoena. It reads:

Based upon the information that has been provided to me, I am authorized to certify, on behalf of the Office of Donald J. Trump, the following: a. A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida; b. This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena; c. Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification; and d. No copy, written notation, or reproduction of any kind was retained as to any responsive document.

I swear or affirm that the above statements are true and correct to the best of my knowledge.

The government’s court filing does not say who signed the sworn statement. Media reports indicate that the signatory was Trump lawyer Christina Bobb (though she has publicly said that Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran oversaw the supposedly “diligent search”). That the statement itself is patently false does not necessarily mean Bobb was lying when she signed it (if, indeed, she was the one who signed it) — we don’t yet know what information she was given and thus cannot assess whether she was willfully misleading investigators. We can safely assume, however, that (a) the lawyers who conducted the “diligent search” and provided the sworn statement for the grand jury (among other statements the lawyers made that day to the FBI) are subjects of the investigation — and likely to become central witnesses; and (b) the government would argue that Trump made false statements to the FBI and to the grand jury, reasoning that his agents’ statements are attributable to him, and he had to know, when he caused his agents to make these statements, that he was not providing all of the classified documents compelled by the subpoena.

We can also safely say that the government had reason to believe, even as the June 3 meeting was taking place, that the representations made on Trump’s behalf by his lawyers were false. Which brings us to the next point.

5. The Government Did Not Agree to Trump’s Retention of Records, Which He Barred Government Officials from Inspecting

Contrary to Trump’s claims, the Justice Department objected to Trump’s continued retention of presidential records (which are by law the property of the government, not the former president) in the Mar-a-Lago storage room. At the June 3 meeting, a request to view the storage area was made by the government officials (three FBI agents and Jay I. Bratt, the chief of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section of the DOJ’s National Security Division — and the principal author of the government’s submission last night). They were permitted to do so. Here, the DOJ’s court filing relates that:

Critically, however, the former President’s counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained.

Obviously, the government did not take at face value the sworn statement signed by Trump’s representatives. The DOJ officials wanted to “confirm” that the statement was accurate, and they were made suspicious by the Trump team’s refusal to allow that. It is also clear that the officials asked other questions on June 3 to probe the representations made in the sworn statement. The court filing states that Trump representatives told the officials that the boxes of records in the storage room were “the remaining repository” of White House records. The filing elaborates: “Counsel further represented that there were no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises and that all available boxes were searched.”

Plainly, the government did not believe this story. Over two weeks before the June 3 meeting, the FBI had completed its inspection of the first 15 boxes. Agents found that Trump had strewn classified documents, with no apparent rhyme or reason, throughout the boxes. Classified documents were intermingled with items having nothing to do with classified matters. The government thus had reason to believe that (a) there would likely be more classified information strewn through the boxes in the storage area (which was why Trump’s lawyers would not let the contents of the boxes be inspected); and (b) classified documents were likely being kept in areas outside the storage room (the Trump team’s assertions to the contrary notwithstanding).

To be clear, then, the government was not content to allow Trump to keep the boxes in the storage area. The Justice Department fully intended to pursue the boxes, though it was not prepared to escalate matters right there and then on June 3. The DOJ admonished the Trump team to tighten up security and later demanded surveillance video through an additional grand-jury subpoena. But these were interim measures to which the government agreed in deference to Trump’s status as a former president. (In similar circumstances, normal suspects who were withholding subpoenaed government records would have been treated to a view of the FBI’s carrying their boxes away, probably while being charged with obstruction, handcuffed, and taken away themselves.)

6. The Classified Documents Delivered on June 3

The classified documents provided on June 3 were packaged in a Redweld envelope, “double-wrapped in tape” — a detail prosecutors include to emphasize that Trump and his lawyers knew the contents were highly classified and were not claiming they’d been declassified. Included were 38 separate classified documents, 17 of which were classified at very high levels.

7. ‘Obstructive Conduct’ and Fears of Witness Tampering

In its court filing, the government explicitly describes the Trump team’s behavior in response to the grand jury’s June 3 subpoena as “obstructive conduct.” It is also implicit that the FBI has located one or more witnesses with knowledge of Mar-a-Lago’s layout and the former president’s routine. The submission relates:

In particular, the government developed evidence that a search limited to the Storage Room would not have uncovered all the classified documents at the Premises. The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation.

Relatedly, prosecutors quote Magistrate Judge Reinhart’s observation at the hearing on whether the affidavit should be disclosed in unredacted form: “These concerns are not hypothetical in this case. One of the statutes for which I found probable cause was 18 U.S.C. § 1519, which prohibits obstructing an investigation.”

Again, while we have not seen the relevant portions of the affidavit, we have very good insight into what the witnesses were telling the FBI. In their submission, prosecutors stress that, based on the probable cause showing in the affidavit, Reinhart’s warrant authorized the search of:

the “‘45 Office’ [the former President’s office space at the Premises], all storage rooms, and all other rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by [the former President] and his staff and in which boxes or documents could be stored, including all structures or buildings on the estate” but not “areas currently (i.e., at the time of the search) being occupied, rented, or used by third parties (such as Mar-a-Largo Members) and not otherwise used or available to be used by [the former President] and his staff, such as private guest suites.”

That is to say: There was reason to believe both that Trump was hoarding classified documents in his office, and that, because he did not exercise care in handling such documents, there could be classified documents kept in other places that he and his staff frequented.

Not only did Trump, through his team, falsely represent on June 3 that all remaining classified documents were in the Redweld envelope they’d turned over; prosecutors stress that the search conducted at Mar-a-Lago on August 8 also “cast serious doubt on the claim in the [June 3] certification (and now in [Trump’s special-master motion]) that there had been a ‘diligent search’ for records responsive to the grand jury subpoena.”

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Reposting this from August 23


The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis
A former president’s rights under the Presidential Records Act trump the statutes the FBI cited to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid.
By David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey
Aug. 22, 2022 12:51 pm ET
WSJ


Was the Federal Bureau of Investigation justified in searching Donald Trump’s residence at Mar-a-Lago? The judge who issued the warrant for Mar-a-Lago has signaled that he is likely to release a redacted version of the affidavit supporting it. But the warrant itself suggests the answer is likely no—the FBI had no legally valid cause for the raid.

The warrant authorized the FBI to seize “all physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§793, 2071, or 1519” (emphasis added). These three criminal statutes all address the possession and handling of materials that contain national-security information, public records or material relevant to an investigation or other matters properly before a federal agency or the courts.

The materials to be seized included “any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021”—i.e., during Mr. Trump’s term of office. Virtually all the materials at Mar-a-Lago are likely to fall within this category. Federal law gives Mr. Trump a right of access to them. His possession of them is entirely consistent with that right, and therefore lawful, regardless of the statutes the FBI cites in its warrant.

Those statutes are general in their text and application. But Mr. Trump’s documents are covered by a specific statute, the Presidential Records Act of 1978. It has long been the Supreme Court position, as stated in Morton v. Mancari (1974), that “where there is no clear intention otherwise, a specific statute will not be controlled or nullified by a general one, regardless of the priority of enactment.” The former president’s rights under the PRA trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites.

The PRA dramatically changed the rules regarding ownership and treatment of presidential documents. Presidents from George Washington through Jimmy Carter treated their White House papers as their personal property, and neither Congress nor the courts disputed that. In Nixon v. U.S. (1992), the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia held that Richard Nixon had a right to compensation for his presidential papers, which the government had retained under the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (which applied only to him). “Custom and usage evidences the kind of mutually explicit understandings that are encompassed within the constitutional notion of ‘property’ protected by the Fifth Amendment,” the judges declared.

The PRA became effective in 1981, at the start of Ronald Reagan’s presidency. It established a unique statutory scheme, balancing the needs of the government, former presidents and history. The law declares presidential records to be public property and provides that “the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records.”

The PRA lays out detailed requirements for how the archivist is to administer the records, handle privilege claims, make the records public, and impose restrictions on access. Notably, it doesn’t address the process by which a former president’s records are physically to be turned over to the archivist, or set any deadline, leaving this matter to be negotiated between the archivist and the former president.

The PRA explicitly guarantees a former president continuing access to his papers. Those papers must ultimately be made public, but in the meantime—unlike with all other government documents, which are available 24/7 to currently serving executive-branch officials—the PRA establishes restrictions on access to a former president’s records, including a five-year restriction on access applicable to everyone (including the sitting president, absent a showing of need), which can be extended until the records have been properly reviewed and processed. Before leaving office, a president can restrict access to certain materials for up to 12 years.


The only exceptions are for National Archives personnel working on the materials, judicial process, the incumbent president and Congress (in cases of established need) and the former president himself. PRA section 2205(3) specifically commands that “the Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President or the former President’s designated representative,” regardless of any of these restrictions.

Nothing in the PRA suggests that the former president’s physical custody of his records can be considered unlawful under the statutes on which the Mar-a-Lago warrant is based. Yet the statute’s text makes clear that Congress considered how certain criminal-law provisions would interact with the PRA: It provides that the archivist is not to make materials available to the former president’s designated representative “if that individual has been convicted of a crime relating to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records of the Archives.”

Nothing is said about the former president himself, but applying these general criminal statutes to him based on his mere possession of records would vitiate the entire carefully balanced PRA statutory scheme. Thus if the Justice Department’s sole complaint is that Mr. Trump had in his possession presidential records he took with him from the White House, he should be in the clear, even if some of those records are classified.


In making a former president’s records available to him, the PRA doesn’t distinguish between materials that are and aren’t classified. That was a deliberate choice by Congress, as the existence of highly classified materials at the White House was a given long before 1978, and the statute specifically contemplates that classified materials will be present—making this a basis on which a president can impose a 12-year moratorium on public access.

The government obviously has an important interest in how classified materials are kept, whether or not they are presidential records. In this case, it appears that the FBI was initially satisfied with the installation of an additional lock on the relevant Mar-a-Lago storage room. If that was insufficient, and Mr. Trump refused to cooperate, the bureau could and should have sought a less intrusive judicial remedy than a search warrant—a restraining order allowing the materials to be moved to a location with the proper storage facilities, but also ensuring Mr. Trump continuing access. Surely that’s what the government would have done if any other former president were involved.

Messrs. Rivkin and Casey practice appellate and constitutional law in Washington. They served at the Justice Department and the White House Counsel’s Office in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations.
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« Reply #1399 on: September 01, 2022, 02:52:54 AM »
Very strange how different those two posts are.

"A former president’s rights under the Presidential Records Act trump the statutes the FBI cited to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid."

  - Title from the second not mentioned in the first.

None of them tell us, what are these documents, to judge for ourselves. Trump wanted the nuclear codes to sell or build his own?  I doubt it.  Evidence of FBI wrongdoing he didn't want to give back for their destruction?

The first, if true, reeks of all the Dem situations that went unprosecuted or wrist slapped.
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