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Puerto Rico
« on: June 07, 2017, 02:22:33 PM »
Now that the economy has collapsed they are expected to vote for statehood.
They have voted in the past and state hood has always lost .   Dems must be drooling at the thought:

http://thehill.com/latino/336667-puerto-rico-goes-to-the-polls-for-statehood
« Last Edit: June 07, 2017, 08:07:52 PM by Crafty_Dog »

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Re: Puerto Rico
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2017, 08:08:04 PM »
This is a big deal!

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Puerto Rico: Not a nation, not a state?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 12:59:41 PM »
Not a State, Not a Nation?
 

People gather water from a stream in Puerto Rico, where an estimated 40 percent of the population has no access to drinking water. Erika P. Rodriguez for The New York Times

Is Puerto Rico suffering because Americans don’t see it as part of our nation?

Last week, Amanda wrote about the difference between being a legal citizen of a country, and part of a nation. A country is a legal entity with territory and a government, and citizenship is a matter of law and paperwork. It’s pretty straightforward.

But the nation is different. That word refers to a people bound together by common characteristics, like language, culture or political values. Typically, we presume that all citizens of a country are also part of the nation. But that’s not always the case. Sometimes, some groups are left out. And that can lead to serious crises.

That column focused on Myanmar, where members of the Rohingya minority, long excluded from the nation, are now fleeing from army violence that the United Nations has called a “textbook example of ethnic cleansing.”

But we’ve had that distinction on our minds this week as we look at a crisis much closer to home.

Hurricane Maria devastated Puerto Rico, leaving the island without electricity and, destroying the ports and other infrastructure. The governor estimates that 40 percent of residents have no access to potable water. Food supplies are dwindling. People are dying in hospitals that have no power.

And yet the response from the federal government has been tepid. With some exceptions, lawmakers in Washington seemed much more focused on trying once again to pass healthcare reform than on the unfolding humanitarian crisis.

The Trump Administration initially declined to lift the Jones Act, a shipping rule that would have made sending aid more expensive, even though he had waived it for Texas ports after Hurricane Harvey. (They eventually reversed course yesterday, waiving the rule.) And the president’s tweets about the crisis were read by some as blaming the people of Puerto Rico for their vulnerability to the disaster.

And although the crisis did receive media coverage, it was rarely the main story of the day.

It's not that Americans don't care about Puerto Rico. But many seem to experience its devastation as they would a far-off crisis in, say, Bangladesh, or for that matter Myanmar. Puerto Rico’s disaster is rarely treated as a catastrophe befalling millions of fellow Americans, which Puerto Ricans are. Could that be because they are seen as part of the country but not of the nation?

Nearly half of Americans don’t know that Puerto Ricans are United States citizens, according to a poll that our colleagues at the Upshot published this week. And while it’s easy to see that misperception as a failure of civic education, it’s also a sign that many Americans do not believe that Puerto Ricans are part of the community of people for which the federal government is responsible.

Puerto Ricans, to many Americans, are not “us” — they are “them.”

On Monday, Gov. Ricardo A. Rosselló of Puerto Rico made clear that he sees that perception as posing a tremendous danger to his people, now desperate for aid.

“Puerto Rico, which is part of the United States, can turn into a humanitarian crisis,” he said. “To avoid that, recognize that we Puerto Ricans are American citizens.  When we speak of a catastrophe, everyone must be treated equally.”


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MSNBC vs. FEMA
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2017, 04:54:32 PM »




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Mayor of San Juan
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2017, 04:46:13 AM »
"  Cruz is a member of the opposition party, Partido Popular Democrático (PPD). The PPD does not advocate for Puerto Rican statehood, but a sort of middle ground between full independence and statehood. Her party supports full sovereign powers for Puerto Rico, but close ties to the U.S.  "

In other words she want the benefits of being citizens but to not have to pay any price for it:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/10/02/san-juan-mayor-puerto-rican-statehood-like-a-slave-becoming-a-slave-owner/

Why else does PR keep voting against independence and statehood all these years?

« Last Edit: October 04, 2017, 08:20:37 AM by ccp »

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Re: Puerto Rico
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2017, 06:45:53 AM »
PR voted for statehood last time but with lousy turnout.

Of course we should pay for disaster relief.  Isn't that what their federal income taxes go to pay for?

"Most residents do not have to pay the federal personal income tax."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Puerto_Rico

To be fair, most mainland residents don't pay either.

"As American citizens, they are eligible for all welfare entitlement programs."
The following programs are provided by the U.S. Federal government in Puerto Rico:
Head Start Program
Nutrition Assistance for Puerto Rico (Programa de Asistencia Nutricional)
Section 8 (housing)
Community Development Block Grant
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_in_Puerto_Rico

Minimum wage in Puerto Rico
 Employers not covered by the FLSA will be subject to a minimum wage that is at least 70 percent of the federal minimum wage or the applicable mandatory decree rate, whichever is higher. The Secretary of Labor and Human Resources may authorize a rate based on a lower percentage for any employer who can show that implementation of the 70 percent rate would substantially curtail employment in that business. Puerto Rico also has minimum wage rates that vary according to the industry.
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One side sees them as a reliable voter group.  But imagine these are two companies in merger acquisition talks.  What does each side offer the other?

If both sides passed balanced budget amendments, we would have no use for each other.  There would be no spending increases to distribute.

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Puerto Rico will not be 51st State any time soon
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 10:53:43 AM »
    Popular opinion in the overseas U.S. territory of Puerto Rico has trended toward statehood, with about 97 percent of voters backing that option in a June referendum.

    Admitting Puerto Rico into the Union would alter the composition of the U.S. Congress, and House and Senate members could resist adding extra legislators who could sway close votes.

    Aside from political representation, statehood does not hold many material benefits for Puerto Ricans, because they are already U.S. citizens and have the right to work and to travel freely in the United States.

The destruction wrought by Hurricane Maria on Puerto Rico has renewed attention on the island's relationship with the United States. During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the U.S. overseas territory was a key part of the United States' drive to secure the Caribbean against hostile foreign powers. But as European powers declined while the United States grew to become the globe's dominant force, the Caribbean's immediate importance to U.S. foreign policy waned. Still, the region remains indispensable to U.S. national security, mainly because of its proximity to the mainland. No foreign powers are capable of making meaningful inroads into the Caribbean, although Russian and Chinese influence in such places as Cuba and Venezuela will continue to concern the United States.

Taken From Spain

Dominance over the Caribbean is essential to the United States, but the country's direct political control of Puerto Rico is more a legacy of how the United States set about achieving this foreign policy imperative. The United States wrested control of the island from Spain during the Spanish-American War in 1898. (Compared with fighting in other Spanish possessions such as Cuba and the Philippines, Puerto Rico was a relatively minor part of the conflict.) And while Cuba and the Philippine islands came under U.S. control, only Puerto Rico, which was smaller and lacked the strong pro-independence movements of Cuba and the Philippines, remained directly administered by the United States.
 
Since the early 20th century, the issue of independence — or a change in the island's relationship with Washington — has arisen periodically. In 1917, Washington laid the groundwork for Puerto Rico's present relationship. It was made into a self-governing, unincorporated territory whose citizens have the rights of those on the mainland United States. However, the island has no political representation in Congress, and its citizens are not able to vote in U.S. presidential elections (although they do vote in presidential primaries). Its governors were appointed by the U.S. president until 1947, when Luis Munoz Marin, the first democratically elected governor, took office.
 
Beginning in the mid-1930s, an independence movement steadily grew in Puerto Rico, although it was never widespread enough to meaningfully threaten U.S. control. In 1950, the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party, a pro-independence political movement, fomented a series of revolts that the United States put down by deploying the National Guard. Also that year, Puerto Rican separatists attempted to assassinate President Harry Truman. While separatists later injured five congressmen during an assault on the U.S. Capitol in 1954, the independence movement was seriously crippled after its main leader, Pedro Albizu Campos, was arrested during the 1950 revolts. From the 1960s through the 1980s, the United States continued to break up various cells advocating and carrying out violence in support of independence.

Congress Holds the Key

Because of Puerto Rico's status as a territory, the island's political future rests in the hands of the U.S. Congress. Puerto Rico's political scene is roughly divided between political figures who intend to uphold the status quo relationship with the United States and those who want to shift toward statehood. There is no serious movement toward independence. Since 1968, the island's status has been put to a vote five times in separate, nonbinding referendums. And the statehood option, which would make Puerto Rico the 51st state, has steadily gained ground. During the last referendum, held on June 11, 2017, that alternative won with 97 percent of the ballots — although turnout was less than 25 percent of registered voters.
 
Still, such referendums do not ensure that the island's status will change. Since Puerto Rico is a territory, any changes in its standing depend on the president and the legislature of the United States to execute them. And any referendums must be perceived as valid by U.S. authorities. But the main sticking point for U.S. authorities is political representation in Congress: Granting Puerto Rico two senators and several House representatives would prove controversial, as those seats could shift vote tallies in the legislative branch and benefit one party in federal elections. And those possibilities would reduce the will of Congress to even entertain a vote on statehood after a Puerto Rican referendum.
 
Meanwhile, despite recent referendums suggesting a shift toward statehood, there are no major economic or political drivers pushing Puerto Ricans themselves to a prompt resolution. While some parties and political figures have touted the benefits of statehood, Puerto Ricans have long been able to live, travel and work freely in the United States. Statehood would come with few material benefits for the average Puerto Rican, making it harder to drum up popular support to pressure Congress. Moreover, the recovery from Hurricane Maria will probably delay any attempts for a new vote, given that the island's authorities are overwhelmingly focused on rebuilding and need U.S. financial support to do so.
 
Thus, the storm, while a tragic humanitarian crisis, will have little impact on the future relationship between the United States and its island territory. With no serious push from Washington and no pressing motivations on the island, Puerto Rico is unlikely to seek statehood anytime soon.

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Re: Puerto Rico
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 01:31:50 PM »
I would add that per capita income in P.R. is one third of that in the rest of the US.  They would be our poorest state by far, meaning that a lot of our one size fits all laws like minimum wage don't fit them very well.

Whether they split or join, we should be bringing ideas to Puerto Rico that will raise up their prosperity - just as we should here.

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Re: Puerto Rico housing
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 02:48:12 PM »
Half ot the houses built outside of the law, then came Hurricane Maria...
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article199948699.html

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topic of making PR a state has come up many times over 50 yrs or more
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2020, 05:24:10 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico

Obama, ever the nonpartisan (remember we are not red or blue we are americans -   :roll: :roll: :roll:):  advised Congress to act on a referendum for statehood  as per a leaked memo :

"In December 2012, the newspaper Caribbean Business allegedly obtained, from a White House source, a statement claiming that Obama urged Congress to act upon the referendum's results."

And this was based on these referendum results :

"On November 6, 2012, eligible voters in the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico were presented with two questions:

(1) whether they agreed to continue with Puerto Rico's territorial status and (2) to indicate the political status they preferred from three possibilities: statehood, independence, or a sovereign nation in free association with the United States.[29] A full 970,910 (54.0%) voted "No" on the first question, expressing themselves against maintaining the current political status, and 828,077 (46.0%) voted "Yes", to maintain the current political status. Of those who answered on the second question 834,191 (61.2%) chose statehood, 454,768 (33.3%) chose free association, and 74,895 (5.5%) chose independence.[2][3]"


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WSJ: Getting Puerto Rico's house back in order
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2022, 04:13:44 PM »
Getting Puerto Rico’s Financial House Back in Order
The territory's crushing debt load has been lifted.
By Natalie Jaresko and David Skeel
Jan. 24, 2022 6:25 pm ET


Puerto Rico has completed the biggest public-debt restructuring in American history, whittling $33 billion of obligations down to $7 billion over the past five years and rescuing its pension system. To put this in perspective, Puerto Rico resolved three times as much debt as Detroit did in its bankruptcy and more than 10 times Detroit’s unfunded pension liability. “It is the court’s hope and expectation,” Judge Laura Taylor Swain said after approving the restructuring, “that the confirmation of the plan marks the beginning of Puerto Rico’s brightest chapter.”

The most innovative features of the plan of adjustment seek to ensure that repayment never becomes unaffordable. The recoveries of many creditors are based in part on a contingent-value instrument linked to sales-tax revenue. Only if the revenue is higher than projected—and thus, Puerto Rico’s economy is doing well—will creditors receive a higher recovery.

To ensure that Puerto Rico never fails to make its pension payments, the plan of adjustment shifts future pensions from defined-benefit promises, which lawmakers repeatedly failed to fund, to defined contributions to individual retirement accounts. For the $50 billion of accrued but unfunded obligations, the plan creates a unique pension trust that will be funded over the next 10 years with at least $175 million a year.

Despite these benefits, some have harshly criticized the plan. One prominent local critic claimed that “we are risking the future and the quality of life of an entire country in this debt-adjustment plan, and the mistakes we make today will not be easily remedied tomorrow.”


Why this hostility to such a successful restructuring? One reason is that critics view the Oversight Board, which was created by Congress and led the restructuring, as a colonialist intrusion on Puerto Rico. These concerns are accurate in one respect. The Territories Clause in Article IV of the U.S. Constitution gives Congress sweeping authority over Puerto Rico. Congress could not have imposed an oversight board on a state. But Puerto Rico’s financial crisis was so severe by 2016 that both then-Gov. Alejandro Garcia Padílla and Puerto Rico’s congressional representative Pedro Pierluisi (who is now governor) supported and helped to shape the Puerto Rico Oversight, Management and Economic Stability Act, the legislation that created the board. In part due to their efforts, Promesa gave Puerto Rico a benefit no state has: the right to restructure its debts under a bankruptcy-like framework.

Other critics believe Puerto Rico should have wiped out the debt altogether. But creditors’ legal entitlements under American law make it impossible simply to erase valid obligations. To be sure, some of the debt was legally problematic. But the restructuring accounts for this: Roughly $6 billion of bonds that arguably were issued in violation of Puerto Rico’s constitutional debt limit will receive less than those that were not, and $3 billion of dubious pension bonds settled for a small portion of what they claimed to be owed. Trying to void these obligations altogether would have taken years of additional litigation costing millions of dollars and might have failed, forcing Puerto Rico to pay the obligations in full.

The critics should consider the restructuring from a different perspective. Puerto Rico’s status has been debated since the island became part of the U.S. in 1898. Some Puerto Ricans favor statehood, some prefer commonwealth status, and some call for independence, but everyone agrees that there is an urgent need to address the territory’s finances. Congress is unlikely to step in to make a determination on status until Puerto Rico gets its financial house back in order. Puerto Rico’s crushing debt load has been one of the biggest obstacles to achieving this. That obstacle now has been removed.

Ms. Jaresko is executive director and Mr. Skeel is chairman of the Puerto Rico oversight board