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Re: Free Speech vs. Islamic Fascism (formerly Buy DANISH!!!)
« Reply #352 on: August 19, 2015, 07:50:30 AM »
Charlie Who? Dutch Muslim Actor Threatened For Playing Jesus
by Abigail R. Esman
Special to IPT News
August 19, 2015
http://www.investigativeproject.org/4960/charlie-who-dutch-muslim-actor-threatened-for
 
 How well so many of us remember. It wasn't very long ago – barely eight months – since Muslim extremists stormed the offices of Charlie Hebdo in Paris, killing 12 of the satirical magazine's editors and artists. And how well we remember, too, the hours and days that followed as the world declared its support for free expression, with hashtags and marches and T-shirts and headlines that bore the now-immortal phrase "je suis Charlie" – and believed that it would make a difference.

Apparently, it didn't.

Earlier this month, a group of Dutch Muslim youth surrounded actor Abbie Chalgoun – a self-described "non-practicing" Muslim – at a train station in Venlo. They called out, "Whore child! Just you wait. We know where you live. We know where to find you."

Chalgoun's misdeed? He plays the role of Jesus in a nationally-celebrated performance of "The Passion." For Muslims, Chalgoun explained in an interview with national daily Trouw, the image or personification of a prophet – including Jesus – is forbidden.

And so you think: here we go again. The concept of the arts for radical Muslims becomes nonexistent, and so, impossible. European civil laws for them possess no meaning and no power. True, unlike Chérif and Said Kouachi, the brothers who staged the attack on Charlie Hebdo, these youth have not (yet) committed a crime in this case, did not (yet) physically attack the 35-year-old actor. But they demonstrate clearly the subtle, more insidious threat that lurks in Europe today: a generation of Muslims who too often place Allah's law above the state, and who will use violence and intimidation to make the rest of Western civilization do the same. Sometimes – as with the attacks on a conference on free speech in Denmark last February or a draw Mohammed event in Texas in May, they will try to kill for it.

But sometimes the threat alone is enough.

Those who oppose his playing the role of Jesus comprise "no more than a half percent [of Dutch Muslims]," Chalgoun estimated, "but they are the ones with the biggest mouths."

They also follow a solid tradition among European Muslims, particularly in the Netherlands, where the Dutch-Moroccan Mohammed Bouyeri shot and stabbed writer and filmmaker Theo van Gogh to death in 2004, then plunged a knife into his body along with a lengthy letter that included a list of those he would attack next. Since then, there have been plenty of others, from artist Rashid ben Ali, threatened for his drawings of Mohammed and "idiot" imams; photographer Sooreh Hera, who received death threats for her photographs of costumed homosexuals she claimed depicted Mohammed and his son-in-law Ali; outspoken anti-Islam Parliamentarian Geert Wilders, whose film "Fitna," exposes the destructiveness and dangers of radical Islam; and even comedian Ewout Jansen, who was the target of threats against "those who make jokes about Islam."

To his credit, Chalgoum – like these others – has so far remained unbowed. ("Jesus was also threatened," he told Trouw.) So, too, is activist Pamela Geller, despite alleged plans by Boston-based Islamic terrorist Usaamah Rahim, who was killed in a confrontation with Boston police in June.

Not so, however, for far too many others – like the National Youth Theatre of London, which earlier this month cancelled a play about the radicalization of British Muslims, inspired, said its Muslim creators, by the plight of two British schoolgirls who joined the Islamic State earlier this year.

Tweeted one would-be cast-member, in frustration, "I don't know how anything can ever change when we are too scared to say the things that need to be said."
Perhaps the play's censors – among others – might take a lesson from Chalgoum, who told NPO radio shortly after the incident, "We can't let things like this make us crazy. We will go on. "

Abigail R. Esman, the author, most recently, of Radical State: How Jihad Is Winning Over Democracy in the West (Praeger, 2010), is a freelance writer based in New York and the Netherlands

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« Reply #353 on: November 16, 2015, 07:43:51 PM »
Apparently the concert in Pairs by the "Eagles of Death Metal" was selected because they will be playing in Israel.  They have stated their renewed intention to play in Israel.

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Free Speech vs. Islamic Fascism (formerly Buy DANISH!!!)
« Reply #354 on: November 16, 2015, 08:00:20 PM »
What is the legal process required to put every liberal in an internment camp and exile them to Syria. Just curious.

It would be a win/win/win situation.

Conservatives don't have to live with people they fundamentally don't agree with.

Syrians would have help with their plight from people that couldn't love them more.

Liberals could go exchange fairytales and enjoy coffee at a foreign coffee bar in some swanky third world country while being hipsters from notably absent bigots.

How is that not perfect?

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Choudry wants to kill Geller
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as usual censorship called
« Reply #363 on: March 12, 2018, 07:26:10 AM »

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Re: Danish cranial rectal interface
« Reply #367 on: March 08, 2019, 08:23:27 PM »
Profound irony here given how this thread began , , ,  :cry: :x

https://www.foxnews.com/world/denmark-charges-14-people-including-13-year-old-over-sharing-of-backpacker-beheading-video?fbclid=IwAR0trE29_oSxu4DpWEieOMeM_rPKzF0fn4OjmuFiazBm_ZRMpldy5Wmr5m4

Well, the good thing is Danish women won't need to travel outside europe to encounter such real islamic cultural traditions.


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Re: Free Speech vs. Islamic Fascism (formerly Buy DANISH!!!)
« Reply #372 on: April 28, 2019, 08:36:44 PM »
Sorry, confused.  What is "Not clear"?

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« Reply #373 on: April 28, 2019, 08:39:49 PM »
Sorry, confused.  What is "Not clear"?

I'm not sure I grasp all the nuances of "Blattar".

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« Reply #374 on: April 28, 2019, 08:53:50 PM »
Ah.

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« Reply #375 on: April 28, 2019, 09:07:01 PM »
Ah.

That being said, locking someone up for speech is something evil societies do.

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Hate Speech Laws
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Denmark after the Muhammad Cartoons
« Reply #378 on: July 28, 2020, 11:44:46 AM »
Aia Fog on Denmark after the Muhammad Cartoons
by Marilyn Stern
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July 21, 2020
https://www.meforum.org/61295/aia-fog-defending-free-speech-on-islam

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Free Speech vs. Islamic Fascism in France
« Reply #380 on: October 09, 2020, 05:13:12 AM »
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16550/france-terrorism-silence

France: More Terrorism, More Silence
by Giulio Meotti
September 27, 2020 at 5:00 am

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This brand of extremism has also managed to transform many European citizens into prisoners, people hiding in their own countries, sentenced to death and forced to live in houses unknown even to their friends and families. And we got used to it!

"[T]his lack of courage to follow in Charlie's footsteps comes at a price, we are losing freedom of speech and an insidious form of self-censorship is gaining ground." — Flemming Rose, Le Point, September 2, 2020.

"To put it simply, freedom of speech is in bad shape around the world. Including in Denmark, France and throughout the West. These are troubled times; people prefer order and security to freedom." — Flemming Rose, Le Point, August 15, 2020.


On September 25, in Paris, two people were stabbed and seriously wounded outside the former offices of Charlie Hebdo, where 12 of the satirical magazine's editors and cartoonists were murdered in 2015. Pictured: Firefighters and paramedics evacuate a wounded victim from the site of the attack. (Photo by Alain Jocard/AFP via Getty Images)

On September 25, in Paris, two people were stabbed and seriously wounded outside the former offices of Charlie Hebdo, where 12 of the satirical magazine's editors and cartoonists were murdered by extremist Muslims in 2015. The suspect, in police custody, is being investigated for terrorism.

The accused murderers in the 2015 attacks are currently on trial in Paris.

Shortly before the knifing attack, on September 22, Charlie Hebdo's director of human resources, Marika Bret, did not come home. In fact, she no longer has a home. She was evicted after serious and concrete death threats from extremist Muslims. She decided to make her "exfiltration" public for French intelligence to alert the public to the threat of extremism in France.

"I have lived under police protection for almost five years", she told the weekly Le Point.

"My security agents received specific and detailed threats. I had ten minutes to pack and leave the house. Ten minutes to give up a part of one's life is a bit short and it was very violent. I will not go home. I am losing my home to outbursts of hatred, the hatred that always begins with the threat of instilling fear. We know how it can end".

Bret also claimed that the French Left abandoned the "battle for secularism".

From the start of the trial of the men accused of committing the murders at Charlie Hebdo in 2015 -- and especially since the renewed publication of Mohammed cartoons -- Charlie Hebdo has received threats of all kinds -- including from al Qaeda. Security today at the satirical magazine is massive. "The address of our headquarters is secret, there are security gates everywhere, armored doors and windows, armed security agents, we can hardly get anyone in", Bret said.

Today, there are 85 policemen protecting Charlie's journalists.

Bret has become another example of the clandestine nature of freedom of expression in France, the country of Voltaire. The first was Robert Redeker, a professor of philosophy. On September 17, 2006, he arose early to write an article for Le Figaro on Europe's grappling with Islam. Three days later, he was in a safe house and on the run.

Last January, Mila O., a 16-year-old French girl, made insulting comments about Islam during a livestream on Instagram.

"During her livestream, a Muslim boy asked her out in the comments, but she turned him down because she is gay. He responded by accusing her of racism and calling her a 'dirty lesbian'. In an angry follow-up video, streamed immediately after she was insulted, Mila responded by saying that she 'hates religion'".

Mila continued, saying among other things:

"Are you familiar with freedom of expression? I didn't hesitate to say what I thought. I hate religion. The Koran is a religion of hatred; there is only hatred in it. That's what I think. I say what I think... Islam is sh*t... I'm not a racist at all. One cannot simply be racist against a religion... I say what I want, I say what I think. Your religion is sh*t. I'd stick a finger up your god's a**h*le..."

After her school's address was posted on social media, she was forced to leave and transfer to a different school, this time kept secret.

The journalist Éric Zemmour was attacked several times outside his house; the French-Moroccan journalist Zineb el Rhazoui also found the address of her home published on social media.

Meanwhile, to his credit, French President Emmanuel Macron has been defending Charlie Hebdo's right to freedom of expression. Blasphemy, he said, "is no crime."

"The law is clear: we have the right to blaspheme, to criticize, to caricature religions. The republican order is not a moral order... what is outlawed is to incite hatred and attack dignity."

A 2007 legal case ruled that "In France it is possible to insult a religion, its figures and its symbols ... however, insulting those who follow a religion is outlawed."

The courageous words of the French authorities, however, seem harmless, pale and dull, compared to the strength of extremist violence and intimidation.

Islamic fundamentalism has already managed to displace not only thousands of persecuted Christians -- such as Asia Bibi, forced to flee for her life from Pakistan to Canada after she was acquitted of committing blasphemy. This brand of extremism has also managed to transform many European citizens into prisoners, people hiding in their own countries, sentenced to death and forced to live in houses unknown even to their friends and families. And we got used to it!

On the day of Iran's death sentence against Salman Rushdie for his novel, The Satanic Verses, he and his wife, Marianne Wiggins, were taken from their home in North London by the British secret service, to the first of more than fifty "safe houses" in which the writer lived for the next ten years.

The Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders -- whose name, as the next to be murdered, was found on a sheet of paper knifed into the murdered filmmaker, Theo van Gogh -- has been living in safe houses since 2004. "I am in jail," he says, "and they are walking around free."

Ten years ago, a Seattle Weekly reporter, Molly Norris, in solidarity with the endangered makers of the television cartoon "South Park," also drew a caricature of Mohammed. The last newspaper article that talked about her stated:

"You may have noticed that the Molly Norris strip is not included in this week's issue. That's because there is no more Molly... on the advice of FBI security specialists, she will be moving and changing her name..."

The Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten, which first printed cartoons of Mohammed in 2005, gave up. The paper declined to republish the caricatures of the Prophet of Islam when Charlie Hebdo printed them again on its front page. The editor who published the cartoons at Jyllands Posten, Flemming Rose, is still escorted by bodyguards. "I really admire Charlie's courage," he said.

"Heroes who have not succumbed to threats or violence. Unfortunately, they received limited support. No publication in France or Europe behaves like Charlie. That is why I believe that in Europe there is an unwritten law against blasphemy. I am not criticizing the journalists and editors who make this choice. We cannot blame people who, unlike Charlie, do not put their lives in danger. But let us not be fooled: this lack of courage to follow in Charlie's footsteps comes at a price, we are losing freedom of speech and an insidious form of self-censorship is gaining ground".

In recent days, the new editor of Jyllands Posten, Jacob Nybroe, repeated:

"We will not publish them anymore. I confirmed this editorial line when I arrived and received a lot of applause. I may look like a coward, but we cannot do it".

The names of Danish cartoonists appeared on the same "hit list" that Al Qaeda published with the name of Charlie Hebdo's editor-in chief, Stéphane Charbonnier, murdered in the 2015 massacre. The Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard is alive only because during a terror assault on his home, he hid.

Today Jyllands Posten's headquarters has bulletproof windows, metal bars and slabs, barbed wire and video cameras. It sits opposite the port of Aarhus, the second largest city in Denmark, and is under surveillance day and night. Each automatic door, each elevator, requires a badge and a code. You enter it as if it were a bank vault. One door opens and after it closes, the next door opens. The journalists who work there enter one at a time. "To put it simply, freedom of speech is in bad shape around the world. Including in Denmark, France and throughout the West," Rose said, "These are troubled times; people prefer order and security to freedom."

If all of us do not defend our freedoms, soon we will not have them anymore.

Giulio Meotti, Cultural Editor for Il Foglio, is an Italian journalist and author.

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CAIR: Never Seen an Inch They don’t try to Take as a Mile
« Reply #381 on: March 02, 2024, 06:34:32 PM »
Girls Scout troop violates the org’s rules by fundraising for “Palestinian children” and so gets told to stop. Tries to turn it into a national issue, milking it for all it’s worth:

https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/leaders-push-girl-scouts-for-stance-on-gaza-apology-to-former-st-louis-troop/

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« Reply #382 on: March 02, 2024, 11:32:42 PM »
No, I don't agree with this person turning her girl scout troup into her personal action committee

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Why always the apologies just to say no we don't allow this.


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Re: Free Speech vs. Islamic Fascism (formerly Buy DANISH!!!)
« Reply #383 on: March 04, 2024, 05:26:13 AM »
No, I don't agree with this person turning her girl scout troup into her personal action committee

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Why always the apologies just to say no we don't allow this.
Back in my telephone hotline days & misspent youth I hobnobbed w/ several Saul Alinsky students (Alinsky did most his work in the Chicago area where I grew up), students that would gleefully pass on what they learned at the master's knee. One such--a 40 something Jewish lady--would tell of a successful protest she authored, one where she hit up all the second hand stores, neighbors, etc. for Girl Scout uniforms, whereupon she and her troop showed up at the protest site (Dow Chemical, IIRC) and got a lot of air time as cute little Girls Scouts protesting the evil polluting company.

I think this is more of the same. I've worked w/ my share of Scouting orgs as a firearm and outdoor skills instructor and they all have a ton of rules and regs re what's kosher behavior and what's not. This lady knew going in that cookies and cookies only was the singular fundraising tool, but chose optics over the rulebook (big surprise). Too bad those reporting the story haven't dug into it further as I'd bet her troop was a small, recently organized one. It's not like Palestinian aren't known for twisting the truth into all sorts of odd shapes.