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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2050 on: October 22, 2023, 08:46:15 AM »
I gather there is a dust up between DeSantis and Haley wherein he accuses her of advocating for taking Gazan refugees.

Where lays the Truth here?

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yes, legal but not "merit based"
« Reply #2051 on: October 24, 2023, 08:09:29 PM »
"Now let’s return to immigration.  Do the work skills and ethic newcomers bring with them define them?  Are those qualities the most important things they bring to our shores?  Since they’re not robots and won’t actually just be cogs in the economy, no.  Rather, the most important things they bring are their beliefs."

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/10/hidden_marxism_treating_immigrants_like_robots.html

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2052 on: October 25, 2023, 08:10:58 AM »
That is a perceptive point.  I will be adding it to my repetoire.

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indian illegals now
« Reply #2055 on: October 29, 2023, 12:36:02 PM »
only a matter of time before enterprising Indian smuggles would get in to the free for all :

https://www.wsj.com/world/india/indians-are-entering-the-u-s-illegally-in-record-numbers-2cf19e38


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10 Million Biden Migrants, more than population of 41 states
« Reply #2056 on: October 29, 2023, 06:09:28 PM »
More than 10 million people have been reported illegally entering the United States since President Joe Biden took office in January 2021, the largest number in American history.

The influx of illegal immigrants total more than the individual populations of 41 of the 50 states.

https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/illegal-border-crossers-total-over-10-million-biden-inauguration

If Democrats don't think that news will hurt them in the next election, why are they pretending to build a wall now?
« Last Edit: October 30, 2023, 07:40:18 AM by DougMacG »


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2058 on: October 29, 2023, 08:05:55 PM »
1886 - give us your poor your down trodden your huddled masses

2023 democrats - give us your criminals , you terrorists, drug dealers, human traffickers, people who hate America who hate Jews who hate white people your communists your socialists freeloaders for they will vote for the democrat party

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Jeepers, Just How do these Dots Connect?
« Reply #2059 on: October 30, 2023, 10:28:42 PM »
DR. ETIQUETTE 🤦‍♂️
@DrEtiquette
The Government of Venezuela provides Hezbollah operatives with full packages of false identity documents. Hundreds of thousands of middle aged men from  Venezuela have already entered the U.S. border. How many of them are Hezbollah operatives?

https://x.com/DrEtiquette/status/1719142397576200632?s=20

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2060 on: October 31, 2023, 05:55:14 AM »
Please post in Homeland Securty as well.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2063 on: November 09, 2023, 06:51:49 AM »
Note the complete absence of discussion of which tribe they are -- e.g. Pashtuns or something else.

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Abbot, Busses, Blue Cities, & the Immigration Debate
« Reply #2064 on: November 15, 2023, 07:08:29 PM »

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2065 on: November 17, 2023, 11:21:06 AM »
Heh heh.

DeSantis should get some credit too for the Cape Cod move.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2066 on: November 17, 2023, 12:45:28 PM »
" Unsurprisingly the MSM is loathe to cover the impact Abbot’s bussing is having on the immigration debate:"

except to call it a "STUNT".

I don't know what you would call total deliberate negligence in NOT enforcing immigration law for benefit of one political party and their donors.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2067 on: November 17, 2023, 02:32:48 PM »
Yes I think it was DeSantis first and Abbott joined in right away.

A note, I cringed when Michael Yon ripped hard on Abbott as worthless or worse. 

We are lucky to have a few Republican Governors around.  Wish I had one.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2068 on: November 17, 2023, 04:31:26 PM »
"A note, I cringed when Michael Yon ripped hard on Abbott as worthless or worse."

Agreed.

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« Reply #2070 on: December 06, 2023, 04:22:31 AM »
To the extent that this piece fails to mention the dominant role of bringing in very extended family members and fails to consider benefit to America, it is disingenuous.
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The Border Crisis Stymies Needed Immigration Reform
Too many migrants are entering illegally, but the system for legal admissions has broken down as well.
Jason L. Riley
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Dec. 5, 2023 6:34 pm ET

Illegal border crossings continue to dominate the migrant debate, which is understandable given that we are, as John Adams put it, a nation of laws. Illegal entries have reached record highs in recent years, and the Biden administration’s response is best summarized as somewhere between incompetence and indifference.

Republicans want Democrats to pay a political price in next year’s election, and perhaps they will. But the situation on the border isn’t simply another political headache for the administration, like high gasoline prices or upticks in violent crime. Rather, it’s a major issue that could reverberate for decades—no matter which party wins next year.

(MARC:  I just saw that 15+% of people here are foreign born)

For starters, porous borders compromise homeland security. The world is a dangerous place, as recent events have reminded us, and the government needs to know who’s entering the country. Increasingly, the southern border has become a portal not only for Central Americans but also for tens of thousands of foreign nationals from as far away as Asia and Africa. A large majority are economic migrants in search of employment and better living conditions. (and, as such should not be admitted) Still, the possibility that some small percentage is coming here to do us harm deserves more attention than it’s getting from the White House.  (Well, that sure is understated!)

Releasing millions of “asylum seekers” into the U.S. interior with little clue of who they are or where they are headed may seem like madness, but Democrats in Congress think it’s a pathway to comprehensive immigration reform.   (No, they think to dilute American citizens with undocumented voters) Which brings us to a second pressing problem with the current migrant mess. So long as the border problem persists at crisis levels, the debate over how to repair our immigration system for admitting people legally is going nowhere.

Donald Trump believes that foreign nationals reduce job opportunities for U.S. natives, but the fact remains that despite heightened levels of undocumented immigration, the country still has far more job openings than job seekers.  (the millions of unskilled non-English speaking illegals are not likely to mesh up with our needs) The real problem is a labor shortage that hasn’t gone away even as wages have risen. (Not after inflation!!!) According to Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former head of the Congressional Budget Office, demographic trends are to blame, and more legal immigration should be part of any solution.

“The retirement of the Baby Boom generation is swelling the ranks of retirees entering the large entitlement programs that rely on labor taxes for their funds, raising the specter of a future of smaller cohorts of workers paying higher taxes in a slower-growing economy,” Mr. Holtz-Eakin writes in a new paper. “The reform of employment-based immigration can address the near-term scarcity of labor, as well as the looming demographic crisis created by low fertility and the retiring Baby Boom generation.”


Among the changes that Mr. Holtz-Eakin calls for is a less-restrictive H-1B visa program for skilled workers. The number of visas, which often go to graduates of U.S. universities, has been capped at 85,000 since 2004, even though more than 480,000 people are currently seeking one. Visa holders aren’t permitted to switch jobs or start businesses. In addition to the low cap, no country may receive more than 7% of the annual allotment, a rule that stymies nationals from populous countries such as India. “The result is long wait times for skilled workers and an inflexible system for employers,” Mr. Holtz-Eakin writes.

Opponents of the visa program argue that employers use it to hire foreign nationals at lower salaries than they would have to pay an American worker. But that would be a clear violation of the law,(and such violations would be enforced in the real world exactly how?) and academic studies repeatedly have shown that H-1B visa holders receive the same or higher pay than comparable U.S. professionals.

Mr. Holtz-Eakin stresses that our inefficient migrant policies are noticed by other countries and have put us at a competitive disadvantage in the international competition for human capital. Earlier this year Canada announced that it was offering 10,000 work permits to foreigners residing in the U.S. on H-1B visas. Within 48 hours of the program’s launch, all the slots were taken. “At present,” Mr. Holtz-Eakin writes, “the near-term outlook for labor is scarcity, the long-term trend is slowing population growth, and the United States’ global competitors are more successful in attracting high-skill immigrants.”

You can support more legal immigration and better border security at the same time, and polling shows that most Americans do. They understand that allowing more people to come lawfully will help reduce unlawful entries. Moreover, there is agreement among Democratic and Republican lawmakers that the system is dysfunctional and outdated. There is no reason we can’t upgrade our policies in a way that accommodates the aspirations of migrants and satisfies the demands of a 21st-century economy. But don’t expect to see bipartisan appetite for constructive reform so long as illegal immigration rages unchecked.
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Jason Riley another WSJ shill
« Reply #2071 on: December 06, 2023, 07:00:12 AM »
I am one of the Americans who does not support increasing legal immigration

We don't need more visas

is not 15% of the pop being foreign born enough?
 I suspect it is even more.

I like Jason, and see him all the time on conservative cable but when one reads this article one can smell the WSJ stench:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_L._Riley

WSJ is pro Wall Street.
Not necessarily pro middle class or even what is best in US interests overall.

recent article claims just the opposite - job openings and unemployment are more closely matching.






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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2072 on: December 06, 2023, 07:48:47 AM »

Riley is right about the broad demographic trends-- without immigration we would be in demographic contraction, and we see where that has gotten Europe (and Russia!).   Rather than quantity I would focus on quality-- benefit to America, instead of what we have now-- put in place by Sen. Teddy Kennedy decades ago.  Uprooting this will be a major and vicious food fight.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2073 on: December 06, 2023, 08:35:42 AM »
"  Rather than quantity I would focus on quality-- benefit to America "

what is your definition of quality?

we have enough professors researchers with seemingly endless transfer of intellectual property
to CCP etc

though probably just as much is stolen via US citizens too.

I would rather have 25 low wage workers who will like America our Constitution fight for us in our military and do great lawn service then 25 graduate students who don't like America etc.

Jason only sees those with advanced degrees as "quality"
how is that working out?

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Merry Christmas
« Reply #2074 on: December 26, 2023, 08:58:37 AM »
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Feliz%20Navidad%21

https://nypost.com/2023/12/26/news/colorado-gov-jared-polis-ripped-for-cringy-feliz-navidad-rendition-as-migrant-crisis-surges-in-denver/

my translation : FU America and all Republicans and all lower and middle class people

                        dems are in power for good now!

 :x

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US Mexico talks "fail"
« Reply #2075 on: December 28, 2023, 09:12:41 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-mexico-keep-border-crossings-133447779.html

who could have guessed

got to get as many illegals here as possible just in case Trump wins

Indeed they may as well offer the illegals border protection jobs

why bother to pretend we have a border protection/home land security force that is allowed to enforce the law.

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Robberies Staged so “Victims” could Claim Enhanced Immigration Status
« Reply #2076 on: January 03, 2024, 08:31:14 PM »
How’s this for a scam? In one instance the cost of the plane ticket to perpetrate the crime was more than the amount taken in the robbery:

https://reason.com/volokh/2024/01/03/purported-robberies-were-staged-to-support-fraudulent-visa-applications/


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2078 on: January 04, 2024, 11:57:52 AM »
I am not so sure that is politically savvy or not to make the equivalence as noted.

Reagan apologized for this and paid some restitution 40 yrs later of course.

Japanese were legal citizens or residents, whereas today they are NOT.


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McConnell wants to sell us out
« Reply #2079 on: January 16, 2024, 05:38:56 PM »
for nothing in return:

https://www.rawstory.com/mcconnell-gop-immigration/

so we have to "deal" to get an administration to do its Constitutional duty and enforce the law
and his deal is to continue to not enforce the law and give all the illegals jobs.....

so of a b...

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Workforce shortage in ME
« Reply #2080 on: January 19, 2024, 12:58:39 PM »


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Federally Funded NGO Illegally Transports Aliens as LEOs Turn a Blind Eye?
« Reply #2082 on: January 21, 2024, 10:12:26 AM »
Jame’s O’Keefe consistently sniff out big stories the rest of the MSM doesn’t have the independence or stones investigate:

https://x.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1747736951044612265?s=20

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2083 on: January 21, 2024, 11:26:44 AM »
Respect for O'Keefe!

May I ask you to post that in the Homeland thread as well?

TIA.

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Don't fall for Senate's bad border security deal
« Reply #2084 on: January 24, 2024, 06:24:41 AM »
Don’t fall for the Senate’s ‘border security’ deal

No one in the room is really interested in solving this problem

By David N. Bossie

For the past three years, the uniparty in Washington has allowed President Biden’s deadly open-borders policy to deteriorate into a full-blown catastrophe without lifting a finger.

Only now — with the situation well past the boiling point and former President Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, poised to amplify the critically important issue to Trumpian levels — is the Washington establishment rushing to throw the dangerously incompetent Mr. Biden a life preserver.

Make no mistake. This is part of a coordinated effort to stop Mr. Trump from being reelected, and it’s being led in the Senate by liberal Republican James Lankford.

Everything the Washington swamp throws at Mr. Trump, he deftly swats aside and moves forward like a man on a mission. Through a season of political indictments, sham lawsuits and an unconstitutional push to disenfranchise voters by throwing him off the ballot, Mr. Trump is stronger today than ever.

Mr. Biden and his cronies went too far when they implemented their government election interference strategy. And now — in an eerily similar fashion to 2016 — defenders of the broken status quo in Washington are in panic mode. The fentanyl, humanitarian and national security crises that Mr. Biden’s lawless border policy created just might be enough to propel Mr. Trump back to the White House because Mr. Biden has succeeded in making every city in the country a border town.

So, it’s time to inject some honesty into the illegal immigration debate. When it comes to the border-security negotiations taking place in the Senate, no one in the room is actually interested in solving the problem.

There’s nothing conservative about the Schumer-Lankford proposal. If there were anything remotely conservative about it, left-wing Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer wouldn’t put his name on the bill. Just look at the leaked outline of the alleged plan; legitimate border security measures are nowhere to be found.

Nothing about a border wall, nothing about enforcing immigration law, nothing about cracking down on sanctuary cities, nothing about increasing the number of Border Patrol agents, nothing about confronting the cartels, nothing about fentanyl. Let’s face it: Americans have come to realize that Mr. Biden opened our border on purpose, and no Democrat wants to fix it.

Perhaps the most infuriating part of the amnesty plan that’s percolating in the upper chamber of Congress is the line “5,000 migrants per day allowed in the U.S.” For the past two decades, we’ve come to know what language like this represents. It acts as a magnet for illegal immigration.

To make matters worse, we’ve all seen the headlines about the record 302,000 migrant encounters last month at the southern border. So, the Senate’s answer is to welcome 150,000 people to enter our country illegally per month. Let’s stop kidding ourselves: These kinds of liberal policies will only cause the border emergency to expand.

Republicans in the House did their job by passing the Secure the Border Act of 2023 several months ago. There’s a good reason that Mr. Biden, Mr. Schumer and the rest of the bipartisan open-borders caucus in the Senate have sat on the legislation for so long: It would secure the border in a way that reflects the wishes of Americans. If Mr. Biden or Senate leaders were listening to the American people, they would have put the Secure the Border Act on the floor, engaged in a transparent debate, offered amendments, and moved the bill forward. But that didn’t happen because of powerful special interest groups that benefit from an open border. Again, the only loser in this equation is the safety and security of Americans. Thankfully, there’s a candidate who is on their side: Mr. Trump. Every Republican in the Senate must come to their senses and get on board to kill this legislation. Over 8 million immigrants have entered the country illegally under President Biden, and God only knows how many millions of so-called gotaways are here as well.

This problem is destroying our national sovereignty and the rule of law. And let’s make one thing perfectly clear: This bill will serve only as an in-kind contribution to the Biden campaign. Any Republican in the Senate who votes in favor of this disgraceful plan is supporting Mr. Biden’s reelection bid and hastening America’s lurch to lawlessness and socialism. That’s the bottom line.

The plan forward for Republicans in Congress should be to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas without delay, double down on the Secure the Border Act, and refuse to fund any aspect of Mr. Biden’s open-border policy for one more second.

Polls indicate that a vast majority of Americans reject what Mr. Biden is doing to our country with his border catastrophe. Republicans must stand firm for real border security at all costs and draw a sharp contrast with the radical left.

David N. Bossie is president of Citizens United and served as deputy campaign manager for Donald J. Trump for President.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2085 on: January 24, 2024, 07:10:52 AM »
If we win the Senate and keep the House and win the WH
we will be able to shut down the border
but, I am thinking  the real challenge is deporting the illegals already here.

With birthright citizenship, and the spectacle of mass deportations I just don't see it.
I am afraid it is already too late.

To change the Constitution and rid of the mis used birthright citizenship would require I think 2/3 the Senate.  Thus, we can forget about it.

any other thoughts on this are welcome.

 :x




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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2086 on: January 24, 2024, 07:45:26 AM »
1:  We can already shut down the border.  Witness what Trump did.

2:  Legislation closing the various "asylum" loopholes is vital.  So too adding immigration admin judges!  Biden has appointed many, with predictable results.

3:  Though the general assumption about birthright citizenship is similar to yours, as a strict legal matter there are very strong arguments to the contrary.  Gov. DeSantis articulated them quite well during his townhall on FOX.   Sen. Cruz too is on board with this.   Yes, there will be strong resistance with plenty of nasty accusations, but our case is legit and we need to do the work to establish our arguments in the public mind.

4:  Mass deportations will be a firestorm no doubt, with lots of Bambi eyes from the illegals and Trump will have his hands full, but this is the sort of thing where he has fire in the belly I think/hope and yes compromises will be necessary.


NOTE WELL the 65 minute convo I posted yesterday in more than one thread!!!  Yes, the entire 65 minutes!

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2088 on: January 25, 2024, 04:52:27 AM »
This is a huge fg deal.  Though reasonable to follow it on this thread, I'd rather we follow it on the Homeland thread.   See my posts yesterday:  https://firehydrantoffreedom.com/index.php?topic=404.2950

What Abbot has done with his assertion of Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3 is profound.

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Schlicter on the fool's errand of Senate immigration "deals"
« Reply #2089 on: January 25, 2024, 06:27:16 AM »
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2024/01/25/republicans-stop-trying-to-do-immigration-deals-with-the-democrats-n2633939

In defense of Marco I can say he learned his lesson on immigration "reform" and "deals" with democrats
I cannot find it now but he was on yesterday or 2 days ago , I think Cavuto, pointing out how the Dems are playing games on immigration and how they want to turn the immigration around on Repubs by pointing out to the willing MSM that they want to fix the border and the Repubs refuse to make a deal.

I think he learned his lesson.

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Sen. Budd: Citizenship question for Census
« Reply #2090 on: January 27, 2024, 04:32:12 AM »

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Importing Voters: It’s a Feature, not a Bug
« Reply #2091 on: January 29, 2024, 10:00:49 AM »
As well as a Ponzi scheme, according to this piece which paints a bleak picture for blue states:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/open-border-policy-not-accident

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The Replacement Theory is true!
« Reply #2092 on: January 29, 2024, 05:02:29 PM »
Watters is reporting tonight a 100% approval rate for Biden among illegals.
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Hebrew Immigration Aid Society
« Reply #2093 on: February 03, 2024, 07:45:25 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIAS

never heard of them till the MY post.

existed since 1881.

Not even impossible my Jewish grandparents who came circa 1900, were aided by them though I doubt it.

Difference between then and what they do around the world now, is the immigrants to US are ILLEGAL!

What do these libs keep ignoring this?

Would they do the same for those who will vote R?

BTW the Catholic Church seems all too happy supporting illegal Catholics to their ranks.

Any Muslims against illegals?  I don't know.

 Some American born Black Muslims might be.


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2094 on: February 03, 2024, 08:16:16 AM »
addendum

I look at this right vs left
more Democrat voters for the left and less political influence for us

AND

employer vs employee

more cheap labor for those who hire people and more competition for those who work for people

simple as that
nothing new.



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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2097 on: February 04, 2024, 02:51:36 PM »
My Border Patrol friends speak of this one in particular:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tohono_O%CA%BCodham_Nation

HEAVY drug trade going through while the agent are busy elsewhere changing diapers and making sandwiches.

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BBC "Expert Witness" Helps Criminals Avoid Deportation
« Reply #2098 on: February 05, 2024, 07:37:06 AM »
I was tempted to drop this in "Crime and Punishment" and indeed this report defies categorization as it treads all sorts of horrible ground, calling into particular question how the BBC's Africa editor could possibly report fairly given her clear biases, and one wonders what she was paid for her expert testimony, but I'll leave this here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13042143/Amid-disbelief-chemical-attacker-allowed-stay-Britain-BBC-editor-paid-help-15-Somalian-criminals-stay-UK-quits-Beeb-shocking-Mail-expos.html?ito=facebook_share_article-facebook_preferred-top&fbclid=IwAR0zLarEYGtqjNWwQ5KtG_LPrlsbD88c02X225OZxV1MoE0i4SI7Wjjr3-w

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #2099 on: February 05, 2024, 07:42:28 AM »
Yes, this was the better thread-- an example of the challenges of getting criminal migrants deported.