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The ClotShot isn't safe or effective
« Reply #1452 on: November 08, 2021, 04:09:42 PM »


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WSJ on the ClotShot
« Reply #1454 on: November 09, 2021, 01:09:14 AM »
https://archive.fo/s46CZ

The chest pain shows it’s working!

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Should 5 year olds be injected?
« Reply #1455 on: November 09, 2021, 02:24:34 AM »
Should You Vaccinate Your 5-Year-Old?
Be reassured that whatever you do, the risk is extremely low.
By Nicole Saphier and Marty Makary
Nov. 8, 2021 12:42 pm ET


If you’re agonizing about whether to have your young child vaccinated against Covid-19, be reassured: The risk is extremely low either way. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 42% of U.S. children 5 to 11 had Covid by June 2021, before the Delta wave—a prevalence that is likely greater than 50% today. Of 28 million children in that age range, 94 have died of Covid since the pandemic began (including deaths before newer treatments), and 562 have been hospitalized with Covid infections.

Serious complications are so uncommon in this age range that of 2,186 children in the Pfizer vaccine study, no child in either the vaccine or placebo group developed severe illness from Covid. Sixteen of the 663 unvaccinated children developed Covid infections, compared with only three of the 1,305 vaccinated ones—an effectiveness rate of 90.7% against infection. Thus it’s safe to assume that vaccinating a healthy child would take his extremely low risk of serious disease and drive it down even lower.


There’s an important exception, though: If a child already had Covid, there’s no scientific basis for vaccination. Deep within the 80-page Pfizer report is this crucial line: “No cases of COVID-19 were observed in either the vaccine group or the placebo group in participants with evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection.” That’s consistent with the largest population-based study on the topic, which found that natural immunity was 27 times as effective as vaccinated immunity in preventing symptomatic Covid. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Natural immunity is likely even more robust in children, given their stronger immune systems. An indiscriminate Covid vaccine mandate may result in unintended harm among children with natural immunity. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

As with adults, pediatric Covid deaths and hospitalizations tend to come among those with comorbidities. If your child has a medical risk factor for Covid illness (including obesity), or lives with someone who does, the vaccine’s benefit outweighs the risk.



Side effects in the study were significant but not life-threatening. The overall adverse-event rate following vaccination in the Pfizer study was 10.9%. (!!!!!!!!!!!) 

Notably, fever (as high as 104 degrees) occurred in 6.5% of kids following the second vaccine dose. One case of leg numbness was reported in the vaccine group.

We’d like to know if adverse events were clustered in children who had circulating antibodies from prior Covid infection, but Pfizer didn’t provide that data. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) There were no cases of myocarditis (heart inflammation), but the sample size was too small to rule out a complication that was found in 1 in 7,000 adolescent boys.

Vaccine complications in children can be mitigated by spacing out the doses. Complications are clustered after the second dose, and research on older patients shows that a longer interval between doses results in stronger immunity. Another recent study showed that delaying the second vaccine dose in younger adults not only resulted in stronger immunity but it also decreased the mild side effects following the second dose. Moreover, one Israeli study found that a single Pfizer dose alone was 100% effective against infection in children 12 to 15. Pediatricians may advise hesitant parents that one dose is better than none.

Dr. Saphier is an assistant professor at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center and Weill Cornell Medical College. Dr. Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and editor-in-chief of MedPage Today.

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Covid Sweden update
« Reply #1456 on: November 09, 2021, 05:43:28 AM »
At the time of writing, more than 50 countries have a higher death rate. If you measure excess mortality for the whole of 2020, Sweden (according to Eurostat) will end up in 21st place out of 31 European countries. If Sweden was a part of the US, its death rate would rank number 43 of the 50 states.

https://unherd.com/2021/11/how-sweden-swerved-covid-disaster/


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Re: deaths from corona 20 x more in the unvaccinated vs vaccinated
« Reply #1458 on: November 09, 2021, 07:21:48 AM »
https://www.kut.org/covid-19/2021-11-08/unvaccinated-people-20-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-texas-data-shows

I am shocked

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I can see potential flaws in the study, but those numbers are startling.  Not just the death rate but the transmission rate is perhaps even more relevant to public health.

Just a reminder, the political and constitutional issue of the day is mandates.  The scientific question is vaccines.
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Strong piece from Dr. Makary in WSJ
« Reply #1459 on: November 09, 2021, 07:22:16 AM »
Covid Confusion at the CDC
Decisions on boosters relied on data from Israel. Why isn’t the U.S. producing this research?
By Marty Makary
Sept. 13, 2021 1:02 pm ET

The U.S. spends lavishly on healthcare yet can’t answer basic questions about Covid-19. Some of the best research has come from Israel. American public health agencies should be producing data on breakthrough infections, boosters and natural immunity. But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has failed to provide the information needed to inform a sound Covid strategy.

Israel began its vaccine rollout with Pfizer in December, only days after the U.S. But Israel kept good data, reported them out frequently and quickly, and used them to track subsequent Covid infections. When the White House announced its plan to recommend a booster shot for all Americans, it cited Israeli data. The World Health Organization and others criticized the plan, calling the evidence insufficient, and in what seemed like a coordinated protest, two top scientists at the Food and Drug Administration abruptly resigned.

The Biden administration recently got the supporting data it needed to justify its booster plan. But not from the CDC. Another Israeli study showed that a booster resulted in a 10-fold reduction in severe Covid illness in people over 60. The results were published mere weeks after the study’s completion, not months later as often happens in the U.S.

“There’s no doubt,” Anthony Fauci said of the findings in a press briefing, “from the dramatic data from the Israeli study that the boosts that are being now done there and contemplated here support very strongly the rationale for such an approach.” The FDA, trying to evaluate the question of boosters, scrambled to obtain the raw data from Israel.

The bigger question is: Why didn’t the CDC produce the research? The agency has 21,000 employees and a $15 billion annual budget. It has data on more than 40 million Americans who have tested positive for Covid and 200 million who have been vaccinated. The data include the vaccine type, dosing schedule and vaccination date. Calculating the rate of U.S. breakthrough infections and subsequent hospitalizations and deaths isn’t the Manhattan Project. It’s Epidemiology 101.

The CDC’s failure to report meaningful data has left policy makers flying blind. In the absence of good data to answer the basic questions Americans have been asking, political opinions have filled the vacuum. Strong data might have prevented much of the polarization over Covid.

Sound data from the CDC has been especially lacking on natural immunity from prior Covid infection. On Aug. 25, Israel published the most powerful and scientifically rigorous study on the subject to date. In a sample of more than 700,000 people, natural immunity was 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity in preventing symptomatic infections.

Despite this evidence, U.S. public health officials continue to dismiss natural immunity, insisting that those who have recovered from Covid must still get the vaccine. Policy makers and public health leaders, and the media voices that parrot them, are inexplicably sticking to their original hypothesis that natural immunity is fleeting, even as at least 15 studies show it lasts.

Meanwhile, employers fire workers with natural immunity who won’t get vaccinated. Schools disenroll students who won’t comply.

The CDC did put out a study on natural immunity last month, forcefully concluding that vaccinated immunity was 2.3 times better than natural immunity. The CDC used these results to justify telling those with natural immunity to get vaccinated.

But the rate of infection in each group was less than 0.01%, meaning infections were exceedingly rare in the short two-month time period the agency chose to study. This is odd, given there are more than a year of data available. Moreover, despite having data on all 50 states, the CDC only reported data from Kentucky. Was Kentucky the only state that produced the desired result? Why else exclude the same data from the other 49 states?

Some public health officials are afraid to acknowledge natural immunity because they fear some will choose infection over vaccination. But leaders can encourage all Americans who aren’t immune to get vaccinated and be transparent with the data at the same time.

The CDC shouldn’t fish for data to support outdated hypotheses. Heeding the robust Israeli data on natural immunity could help restore the agency’s credibility and even help vaccination efforts.

Israel also contributed a brilliant study on vaccinating children. Researchers found that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine, instead of the normal two, was 100% effective in children ages 12 to 15. Such a finding could have significant implications for achieving broad immunity in adolescents while reducing the risk of heart complications, which have been clustered around the second dose.

These are the studies U.S. public health agencies should be doing but aren’t. By any metric, the CDC has failed in its primary task of preparing the country for a pandemic and telling us how to reduce harm from the novel Covid pathogen.

Dr. Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, and the author of “The Price We Pay: What Broke American Health Care—And How To Fix It.”

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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1460 on: November 09, 2021, 07:25:03 AM »
My doctor friend in rural Colorado is in the thick of it.  Says the system is being overwhelmed.

" I’m taking over a service today. 14 patients, 8 of them with COVID, none of them vaccinated, all severely ill, Fully 25 % of the patients in my hospital have COVID, 96 % unvaccinated. We are turning patients away to other facilities because we lack beds an staffing. The drain on the system from COVID is overwhelming here and throughout the state"

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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1461 on: November 09, 2021, 07:27:26 AM »
Young and healthy patients? Or elderly with comorbidities?

My doctor friend in rural Colorado is in the thick of it.  Says the system is being overwhelmed.

" I’m taking over a service today. 14 patients, 8 of them with COVID, none of them vaccinated, all severely ill, Fully 25 % of the patients in my hospital have COVID, 96 % unvaccinated. We are turning patients away to other facilities because we lack beds an staffing. The drain on the system from COVID is overwhelming here and throughout the state"

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Canceling the unvaccinated?
« Reply #1463 on: November 09, 2021, 12:31:15 PM »
The great covid debate has hit me.  I organize a weekly indoor tennis (doubles) game of some (former) top players in our area.  One friend/participant is unvaccinated.  A few are not joining in because of that, though at this point I have enough players without them.  Others are asking me to do something about it without saying exactly what. 

My side of it:  The indoor space involves close to a million cubic feet of air shared by 16 people on 4 courts for 2 hours of medium level exercise, see video.  At almost no time are you 6 feet from anyone, much less someone breathing in your direction.  Best case, the game looks something like this (we wish):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jdDou97Fs    Short video of pro-level highlights.

It seems to me:
1) This is as close to an outdoor environment that indoors can be.
2) If vaccinations and masks protect, those who feel at risk can do so.
3) This doesn't fit any scenario for unacceptable risk in science in terms of numbers of people and proximity.
4) Just discussing who isn't vaccinated and why violates health privacy.
5) The unvaccinated person has so far spread the virus to no one in 500 days.  If he had, he would now have natural immunity.
6) Masks inhibit breathing, an important part of exercise.  A medical incident of a different sort could result in our age group.
7) The exercise and fitness itself is a treatment for covid avoidance and survival.
8 ) The very cautious CDC and MN Dept of Health do not advise against this.
9) Sample size zero, I know of no one who has contracted covid on the court through tennis.
10) Soon the question will be booster shot and so on.  No end in sight and nothing brings zero risk.
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Re: Canceling the unvaccinated?
« Reply #1464 on: November 09, 2021, 12:46:19 PM »
The great covid debate has hit me.  I organize a weekly indoor tennis (doubles) game of some (former) top players in our area.  One friend/participant is unvaccinated.  A few apparently are not playing up because of that, though at this point I have enough without them.  Others are asking me to do something about it without saying exactly what. 

My side of it, the indoor space involves close to a million cubic feet of air shared by 16 people on 4 courts for 2 hours of medium level exercise, see video.  At almost no time are you 6 feet from anyone, much less someone breathing in your direction.  Best case, the game looks something like this (we wish):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jdDou97Fs

It seems to me:
1) This is as close to an outdoor environment that indoors can be.
2) If vaccinations and masks protect, those who feels at risk can do so.
3) This doesn't fit any scenario for unacceptable risk in science in terms of numbers of people and proximity.
4) There is some health privacy violation going on, just discussing who isn't vaccinated and speculating the reasons.
5) The unvaccinated person has so far spread it to no one in 500 days.  If he had, he would have natural immunity.
6) Masks inhibit breathing, an important part of exercise.  A medical incident of a different sort could result in our age group.
7) The exercise and fitness itself is a treatment for covid avoidance and survival.
8) The very cautious CDC and MN Dept of Health do not advise against this.
9) Sample size zero, I know of no one who has contracted covid on the court through tennis.
10) Soon the question will be booster shot and so on.  No end in sight if zero risk is the bar, and nothing brings zero risk.

Be sure to recert on First Aid/CPR and have a CPR mask and AED nearby when one of the vaxxed drops and starts doing the horizontal Mambo. Low dose aspirin and have the address of the tennis court preprinted with the emergency gear, under the adrenaline dump of a medical crisis, it’s easy to draw a blank on the address when talking to a 911 dispatcher.




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Famed Maskaren/Vaxxer Don Lemon not afraid to vacation in FL w/out mask
« Reply #1465 on: November 09, 2021, 01:53:11 PM »
https://summit.news/2021/11/03/after-pro-mask-anti-florida-rants-don-lemon-takes-a-maskless-vacation-in-florida/

He’s not afraid, even given his potentially immune compromised lifestyle.






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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1475 on: November 12, 2021, 06:34:14 AM »
Whoa!

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Vermont Covid Delta Outbreak
« Reply #1476 on: November 12, 2021, 09:10:09 AM »
https://www.mychamplainvalley.com/news/coronavirus/vermont-reports-another-covid-record-591-cases-as-delta-surge-continues/

Vermont reports another COVID record: 591 cases, as Delta surge continues

Nov 11, 2021

The Vermont Department of Health reported 591 cases of COVID-19 on Thursday, another single-day record as the surge in the highly contagious Delta variant continues across the state.
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Strangely, Vermont leads the nation in vaccination rates.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker/

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Re: Vermont Covid Delta Outbreak
« Reply #1477 on: November 12, 2021, 09:11:49 AM »
Almost like the ClotShot makes you MORE vulnerable...


https://www.mychamplainvalley.com/news/coronavirus/vermont-reports-another-covid-record-591-cases-as-delta-surge-continues/

Vermont reports another COVID record: 591 cases, as Delta surge continues

Nov 11, 2021

The Vermont Department of Health reported 591 cases of COVID-19 on Thursday, another single-day record as the surge in the highly contagious Delta variant continues across the state.
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Strangely, Vermont leads the nation in vaccination rates.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker/

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ClotLettuce?
« Reply #1478 on: November 12, 2021, 11:45:40 AM »




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speaking of chutzpah
« Reply #1483 on: November 14, 2021, 03:10:48 PM »
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/11/14/fauci-says-he-wont-step-down-until-covid-is-in-rearview-mirror/

from the guy who is on record of stating gain of function research is worth the risk

from the guy who sent money to a lab that produced a virus that devastated the world

as though NO ONE else could replace him.........




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World’s Most Vaccinated Country Cancels Christmas Due to Massive COVID
« Reply #1484 on: November 17, 2021, 01:46:19 PM »
World’s Most Vaccinated Country Cancels Christmas Due to Massive Rise in COVID-19 Infections

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/11/16/geert-vanden-bossche-was-right-the-worlds-most-vaccinated-country-cancels-christmas-due-to-massive-rise-in-covid-19-infections/

Statement released by the Gibraltar government, a spokesperson said: “Given the exponential rise in the number of cases, the Government, for example, intends to cancel a number of its own functions including official Christmas parties, official receptions and similar gatherings.

“The public, at this stage, are ultimately called upon to exercise their own judgement in this respect bearing in mind the current advice given.
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Shoot.  I already forgot what the purpose of the vaccinations was.
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2076??
« Reply #1486 on: November 19, 2021, 06:19:44 AM »
https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/18/fda-requests-year-2076-publish-data-pfizer-vaccine-approval/

Nothing to hide?

Is that the same year we get to see the Tara Reade personnel file?


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Bereson: The vaxxed are dying at higher rates
« Reply #1488 on: November 21, 2021, 09:02:36 PM »

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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, vax required
« Reply #1489 on: November 22, 2021, 09:36:23 AM »
I went to see the Minnesota Orchestra and Minnesota Chorale play Beethoven's 9th Symphony at Orchestra Hall in Downtown Minneapolis this past weekend.  Of note, vaccination papers were required, the first time I have shown mine.  People complied like sheep, and all but the wind instrumentalists wore masks. 

Good that we aren't having a super spreader event right before the Thanksgiving holiday and people were thankful to be out.  Singing in public hasn't been allowed for a LONG time.

Begs the question, of course, what about people with natural immunity which is many times more effective and alters the vaccination risk calculation for people who have it.  No allowance made.

https://www.minnesotaorchestra.org/tickets/calendar/2122/valcuha-conducts-beethovens-ninth/
Photographs from pre-mask era.
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4th Movement, Ode to Joy:  Skip to 3 minute mark for the familiar melody, or the 21 minute for the spectacular finish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdWyYn0E4Ys 
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Better than some places where you need vax to fill your gas tank:

https://fee.org/articles/no-gasoline-without-covid-papers-it-s-already-happening-in-some-parts-of-the-world/
Slovenia's regulation forbidding people without 'COVID certificates' from pumping fuel shows governments are getting increasingly creative in their coercion.

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Bereson
« Reply #1490 on: November 22, 2021, 02:19:21 PM »


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Re: 30 studies: Facemasks are useless
« Reply #1492 on: November 23, 2021, 06:45:35 AM »
second

https://greatgameindia.com/list-30-studies-mask-useless-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR1zxzzbA7vvJ82Ck8IzxiCHJPB9QuxjNkkw87wML-9z0MlIdBjo2mtQ_IY

I don't think that applies to properly fitted N95 or this one below, pasting in an earlier post :

https://amgreatness.com/2021/05/28/new-study-shows-masks-did-not-slow-covid-spread/

I think we knew from the start that a regular cloth mask is stupid, like a chain link fence around your yard to stop mosquitoes.

Now that the crisis is over, maybe they could ease up on the fascist industry restrictions and allow the manufacture and sale to the public of masks that do stop viruses.

A friend is an investor and board member of this company, Claros Technologies.  They bought a technology developed at the University of Minnesota that infuses zinc that kills viruses into the fabric of the masks.

https://kstp.com/coronavirus/this-is-a-game-changer-u-of-m-spinoff-company-launches-face-mask-it-says-can-kill-the-coronavirus-february-3-2021/6000735/

"A proprietary zinc solution is infused into a fabric, then heated to form zinc nanoparticles 1,000 times smaller than a human hair. The company said the particles, now trapped in the fabric, won't leach out, even after 100 washes. The zinc is harmless to humans but deadly to the virus."
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$25 each (at least when I bought it), free shipping, no minimum purchase.  Spendy but the technology, unlike the vaccine, will kill this one and other viruses. I recommend buying (at least) one per person for those you want to protect from the next Wuhan, Nile or Congo virus.

I switched from N95 to this mask a few months ago and found it a little more breathable, comfortable and washable.  We have been required for the past year to wear masks for indoor USTA matches (tennis).  Breathability is a big deal in sports.

https://www.log3mask.com/
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Note: Masks don't seal over beard etc.
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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1493 on: November 23, 2021, 07:05:41 AM »
good stuff!

nuff said!

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Re: Epidemics: Bird Flu, TB, AIDs, Superbugs, Ebola, etc
« Reply #1495 on: November 24, 2021, 03:38:33 AM »
Covid-19 Antibody Tests in Demand as People Worry About Immunity
Doctors say what constitutes a sufficient level of protection against the virus isn’t known

Many people are getting Covid-19 antibody tests, though U.S. health authorities have discouraged such testing to assess immunity after infection or vaccination.
PHOTO: SARAH REINGEWIRTZ/ZUMA PRESS
By Robbie Whelan and Brianna Abbott
Nov. 24, 2021 5:30 am ET

Some people are taking Covid-19 antibody tests to determine whether they might be protected against the virus. Many health officials and doctors wish they wouldn’t.

Antibody tests are one tool some people are deploying to help them decide which precautions to take to protect themselves and curb the spread of Covid-19. Some vaccinated people say they want to know whether their protection has weakened to the point that they should get a booster, while some previously infected people say they want to measure the strength of the response the virus generated in their immune systems.

Katy Savage, 41 years old, doesn’t want to get a Covid-19 vaccine because she worries about side effects for her unborn child. She survived an August bout with the disease that put her on a ventilator for nine days and thinks immunity from that infection is enough to protect her. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recommended since August that expecting mothers or women who plan to get pregnant take the vaccine, citing research showing the shots are safe and effective during pregnancy.

She plans to get a test later this month to see if she still has antibodies circulating in her blood.

“To me that would be, ‘OK, cool, I’m still good. I’m still safe,’ ” Ms. Savage said.

But it isn’t known what level of antibodies effectively prevents infection or a severe case of Covid-19, said Emily Volk, president of the College of American Pathologists. She said getting a positive antibody test isn’t a substitute for getting vaccinated.


The CDC and the Food and Drug Administration discourage antibody testing to assess immunity after infection or vaccination in part because the tests can’t say how much protection those antibodies might provide.

Studies have found a connection between higher antibody levels, especially for so-called neutralizing antibodies that prevent the virus from entering cells, and increased protection against Covid-19. The specific threshold for what level of antibodies a person needs to be protected from infection or severe disease is still being determined in research.

“Whenever you order a laboratory test, typically you’d want to have in mind what you’re looking for,” Dr. Volk said. “If you’re just sort of shooting in the dark and then getting a number that’s difficult to place into clinical context, it just adds confusion.”

Antibody tests also don’t account for immune cells known as B-cells, which produce antibodies, or T-cells, which can help identify the virus or kill virus-infected cells.

“Antibody testing doesn’t give you a full picture of a person’s immune response to Covid. It just shows you a snapshot of one branch of the immune system,” said Elitza Theel, head of the infectious diseases serology lab at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn.

The FDA has authorized about 90 antibody tests, also called serology tests, that search for Covid-19 fighting proteins that develop after an infection or vaccination. Most of the tests require a blood draw and are analyzed in a laboratory. Some require only a finger-prick, and one uses a saliva sample.

Patients often can access the tests through their doctors or companies including Laboratory Corp. of America, Quest Diagnostics or CVS Health Corp. They can cost anywhere from $40 to $150 and are sometimes covered by insurance. The volume of serology testing conducted by Labcorp jumped in August and September this year, according to a Wells Fargo & Co. analysis, though Quest didn’t see as much of an increase.


An antibody test was given in January in Santa Monica, Calif., and recent information suggests that more people are getting the tests.
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Antibody tests are useful in some contexts. Public-health researchers use them to estimate what proportion of a population has had a Covid-19 infection. Immunologists and other experts use them to study the immune response to Covid-19 after both infection and vaccination.

The tests can help rule out whether certain symptoms in children, such as fever with stomach pain or dizziness, are caused by a condition called multisystem inflammatory syndrome, which can develop after a Covid-19 infection. They also can help determine whether someone had Covid-19 if they didn’t get a viral test when they were sick.

Antibody tests can also benefit immunocompromised patients. Roberta Massaro, a retired pharmacy-inventory specialist in South Bend, Ind., takes anti-rejection drugs that suppress her immune system by killing the antibodies that might attack the transplanted liver she received in 2013.

After receiving her second vaccine dose in April, she took an antibody test that indicated she had Covid-19 antibodies in her system. “It was just for peace of mind,” Ms. Massaro said. She still takes precautions such as masking indoors, but she said she had begun shopping again at the supermarket during more crowded times of day.


In September, people waited in the observation area after receiving a Covid-19 booster shot in Southfield, Mich.; some people are getting antibody tests to see if they might need a booster.
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Some clinicians and pathologists said an antibody test about a month after a second or even third dose can help determine whether an immunocompromised patient has responded to the vaccine. If not, some doctors are cautioning those patients to act as if they haven’t been vaccinated.

“The antibody testing tells us who we need to look out for that will need help after vaccination,” said Alan Wells, medical director of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center clinical laboratories.

But Dr. Wells said checking antibody levels of patients outside of those specific cases has little benefit for now. Antibodies generally peak shortly after infection before dropping to a baseline level, so seeing a lower antibody response many months out from a vaccination doesn’t say much about how well that person is protected, Dr. Wells said.

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For some viruses, including the hepatitis B virus, scientists have identified a level of antibody prevalence that corresponds with protective immunity. “We just don’t have that yet for Covid, so outside of public-health labs and big studies, there’s not a lot of clear use for the results right now,” said Kelly Wroblewski, director of the infectious-diseases program at the Association of Public Health Laboratories.

Another challenge is that not all tests hunt for the same antibodies, and results aren’t uniformly reported across different tests. Ligia Pinto, director of the Vaccine, Immunity and Cancer Directorate at the Frederick National Laboratory for Cancer Research in Maryland is leading a government-backed effort to get laboratories and researchers to standardize antibody-test results to make it easier to compare results across different scientific studies and get a better understanding of the data.


To figure out the signals for protective immunity from infection or disease, researchers need to track certain parts of the immune response in large cohorts of patients over time and match them with cases of breakthrough infections or reinfections, she said.

“We have very strong tests,” Dr. Pinto said. “We need to understand better what a certain level means.”

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Antibody testing
« Reply #1496 on: November 24, 2021, 07:56:45 AM »
Makes perfect sense to address the unfair discrimination between vaccinated and natural immunity.

From the article (previous post):
"U.S. health authorities have discouraged such testing to assess immunity after infection or vaccination."

Unbelievable.  Same people know previous infection is more effective than vaccine and people who already have antibodies are reacting differently to the vaccine.  Especially relevant as many who had two jabs and have been reading for 6 months since aren't eager to take the third, or the fourth, etc.

Antibody tests aren't reliable?  Well, neither is the vaccine.  Where is the Biden WarpSpeed program to make antibody tests reliable and to update the vaccine to be effective against 'new' strains like delta that have been out as long as Biden has been President?

All we hear about is greater enforcement of old methods that aren't working, with blame assigned to those who won't follow.

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