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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2550 on: June 20, 2023, 06:31:27 AM »
Thank you.


Question:  Why are we seeing this only now, two years later?

Just released. Because the system is rigged.

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2551 on: June 20, 2023, 06:57:48 AM »
Released by whom?

On what basis was it withheld?

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2553 on: June 20, 2023, 07:13:44 AM »
The Maestro of Google Fu strikes again!


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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2555 on: June 21, 2023, 07:48:56 AM »
so that many people are dumb enough to believe in the BIG LIE?
 :wink:


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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2557 on: June 21, 2023, 08:02:18 AM »
" I should have voted harder"

Yes and we need to vote more smartly
and continue to fix the rigging of voting by the Dems where and whenever we can.

NO BUT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD MORE LAWYERS FIGHT THE RIGGING OF '20 election

we knew the fix was in when we read 600 DNC lawyers were sent with instructions to rig the election so ballots could be harvested

yes we did not trust the mail
but we could see what the LEFT was doing the whole time
we reported here and of course the RNC just told us to go out and vote on election day without ballot harvesting .....    :x

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voting harder
« Reply #2558 on: June 21, 2023, 08:06:08 AM »
our PRIME battlefield still remains -->> believe it or not --->> the ballot boxes

not that we need sit on our hands for other means

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Dominion in GA for 2024, nothing to see here, keep moving , , ,
« Reply #2559 on: June 22, 2023, 07:49:17 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/politics/dominion-voting-georgia-vulnerabilities-2024/index.html


Even CNN...


Georgia won’t update vulnerable Dominion software until after 2024 election

WashingtonCNN —
Georgia election officials have been aware of existing vulnerabilities in the state’s voting software for more than two years but continue to insist the system is safe and won’t be updated until after 2024, according to a report that was unsealed this week as part of a controversial court case in Georgia.

The report’s findings focus on weaknesses in software for certain Dominion Voting machines. Those weaknesses were previously verified by federal cybersecurity officials, who urged election officials across the country to update their systems.

A lawyer for Georgia’s top election official, Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, recently told a federal court that officials would forgo installing Dominion’s security patches until after the 2024 presidential election.


Georgia election officials insist it is highly unlikely that the vulnerabilities will be exploited in real attacks. Those officials also say they have already carried out a number of security recommendations without having to update the system’s software.

“Upgrading the system will be a massive undertaking, and our election officials are evaluating the scope of, and time required for the project,” Mike Hassinger, a spokesperson for the Georgia secretary of state’s office, told CNN when asked about the delay.

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Re: Dominion in GA for 2024, nothing to see here, keep moving , , ,
« Reply #2560 on: June 22, 2023, 09:58:20 AM »
All future "elections" will be fortified for their protection.

Good thing we live in the land of the free!



https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/politics/dominion-voting-georgia-vulnerabilities-2024/index.html


Even CNN...


Georgia won’t update vulnerable Dominion software until after 2024 election

WashingtonCNN —
Georgia election officials have been aware of existing vulnerabilities in the state’s voting software for more than two years but continue to insist the system is safe and won’t be updated until after 2024, according to a report that was unsealed this week as part of a controversial court case in Georgia.

The report’s findings focus on weaknesses in software for certain Dominion Voting machines. Those weaknesses were previously verified by federal cybersecurity officials, who urged election officials across the country to update their systems.

A lawyer for Georgia’s top election official, Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, recently told a federal court that officials would forgo installing Dominion’s security patches until after the 2024 presidential election.


Georgia election officials insist it is highly unlikely that the vulnerabilities will be exploited in real attacks. Those officials also say they have already carried out a number of security recommendations without having to update the system’s software.

“Upgrading the system will be a massive undertaking, and our election officials are evaluating the scope of, and time required for the project,” Mike Hassinger, a spokesperson for the Georgia secretary of state’s office, told CNN when asked about the delay.


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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2562 on: June 26, 2023, 07:12:22 AM »
"FBI Knew Hunter Biden’s Laptop Was Authentic A Year Before Pressuring Big Tech To Censor It"

the LEFT will sarcastically point out = funny how conservatives are for the police but not the FBI !   :roll:

 the Truth - funny how the progs are against the "police" but love the FBI.


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Good thing they won't do this in 2024!
« Reply #2563 on: June 26, 2023, 07:18:02 AM »


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NRO: SCOTUS rejects Independent State Legislature theory
« Reply #2565 on: June 27, 2023, 01:33:07 PM »
Supreme Court Rejects ‘Independent State Legislature’ Theory, Finds State Courts Can Rule on Federal Elections
By JEFF ZYMERI
June 27, 2023 10:24 AM

The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that state legislatures do not have sole discretion in setting the rules for congressional elections, dismissing the plaintiffs’ argument that questions surrounding partisan gerrymandering are outside the reach of North Carolina courts.

“The Elections Clause does not insulate state legislatures from the ordinary exercise of state judicial review,” wrote Chief Justice John Roberts for the 6-3 majority. He was joined in the opinion by Justices Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, Ketanji Brown Jackson, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett. However, Roberts clarified that “state courts may not transgress the ordinary bounds of judicial review such that they arrogate to themselves the power vested in state legislatures to regulate federal elections.”

In a concurring opinion, Kavanaugh agreed with Roberts that state courts do not have free rein, but added that the general principle for federal review articulated by the Court should be distilled into a more specific standard in the future. Kavanaugh suggested chief justice William Rehnquist’s standard in Bush v. Gore: whether the state court “impermissibly distorted” state law “beyond what a fair reading required.”

The case — Moore v. Harper — centered on the “independent state legislature” theory, which holds that state legislators have the power under the U.S. Constitution to regulate federal elections with little to no interference from state courts. The theory is based on the Elections Clause of the Constitution, which says that “the Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof.” It is also based on the Electors Clause of the Constitution.

In this case, the state of North Carolina was sued over a congressional map drawn in 2021 by the legislature, which likely would have given Republicans ten of the state’s 14 congressional seats. The challengers asserted the map was an extreme partisan gerrymander and claimed it violated the state’s constitution. In February of last year, the North Carolina Supreme Court agreed with the challengers by a vote of 4-3, striking down the map for last year’s midterm elections and adopting a new map drawn by three court-appointed experts.

Republican legislators led by Speaker Timothy Moore of the North Carolina house appealed to the Supreme Court, which declined to intervene in the case before the 2022 midterms, with Republicans and Democrats winning seven seats each. However, the high court decided in June it would hear oral arguments in the case.

Moore argued that the text of the Constitution only mentions the state legislatures for a reason, explaining the drafters could have included a role for other entities if they wanted. On the other hand, Rebecca Harper and others who challenged North Carolina’s congressional map in state court argued that the legislature’s theory was “extreme” and that lawmakers should not be “immune from judicial review.”

In late April, the North Carolina Supreme Court justices overruled their 2022 decision — Harper v. Hall — that struck down the original map. Two new justices had joined the court, flipping the balance of power to a majority of Republican-appointed justices. “There is no judicially manageable standard by which to adjudicate partisan gerrymandering claims. Courts are not intended to meddle in policy matters,” wrote Chief Justice Paul Newby for the five-justice majority. “In its decision today, the Court returns to its tradition of honoring the constitutional roles assigned to each branch.” At that point, the U.S. Supreme Court sought clarification from the parties in Moore v. Harper as to whether the case was moot, but received conflicting answers.

Despite the high court in Raleigh overruling itself, Roberts found that the Supreme Court still had jurisdiction to rule in favor of the North Carolina justices in the February majority. The practical effect for North Carolina is minimal as the court in Raleigh has already provided for a new congressional map. However, state legislatures throughout the country have reduced ability to appeal to the theory in the 2024 elections and beyond.

Justice Clarence Thomas dissented from the majority and was joined by Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch. Thomas would have dismissed the case as moot given the April decision of the North Carolina Supreme Court.

“This is a straightforward case of mootness. The federal defense no longer makes any difference to this case— whether we agree with the defense, disagree with it, or say nothing at all, the final judgment in this litigation will be exactly the same,” wrote Thomas. The justice added that the majority creates uncertainty with the decision, opening the possibility of “Bush-style controversies over state election law.”

Moore v. Harper followed another major elections case this month — namely, Allen v. Milligan. In that case, Roberts and Kavanaugh joined the Court’s liberals to strike down Alabama’s congressional map on the grounds that it wasn’t race-conscious enough. On Monday, in line with that decision, the Supreme Court lifted its stay of a federal court ruling that Louisiana’s congressional lines likely violated the Voting Rights Act. Further litigation will follow.


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WSJ on the SCOTUS ruling on Independent State Legislature
« Reply #2566 on: June 28, 2023, 08:06:39 AM »
The Supreme Court’s Elections Muddle
In Moore v. Harper, the Justices invite many more legal challenges to state ballot laws.
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June 27, 2023 6:43 pm ET




So much for the radical Supreme Court. A 6-3 majority on Tuesday rejected the argument advanced by some conservatives that the U.S. Constitution bars state courts from reviewing Congressional maps and voting laws. The result isn’t the runaway victory that progressives claim, but it will lead to more election-law controversies.

The dispute in Moore v. Harper centered on a North Carolina House redistricting plan in 2021 that was blocked by a Democratic majority on that state’s High Court. State Justices claimed the gerrymander violated their Constitution’s guarantee to “free elections,” “a right to assemble,” “freedom of speech,” and “equal protection of the laws.”


In other words, partisan state judges read a ban against political gerrymanders into the penumbra of state law. As a result, Democrats carried three more Congressional seats under a court redrawn map last November than they were predicted to under the Legislature’s.

GOP lawmakers argued that the North Carolina court’s ruling violated the U.S. Constitution’s Elections Clause, which requires “the Legislature” of each state to prescribe “[t]he Times, Places and Manner of ” federal elections. They claimed state courts may not strike down a legislature’s maps or voting laws affecting federal elections.

Chief Justice John Roberts rebuffs this reading of the Elections Clause with a middle of the road, or muddle of the road, decision. On the one hand, he says state legislatures are subject to state judicial review under the state constitution when they write election law.

But he also stresses that “state courts do not have free rein” and “this Court has an obligation to ensure that state court interpretations of state law do not evade federal law.” So state court election rulings will be subject to U.S. Supreme Court review.

Yet the majority declined to adopt a standard for reviewing such state court decisions. “The questions presented in this area are complex and context specific,” the Chief writes. “We hold only that state courts may not transgress the ordinary bounds of judicial review such that they arrogate to themselves the power vested in state legislatures to regulate federal elections.”

But what does “ordinary bounds” mean? Perhaps as with pornography, the Court will know it when it sees it. But in practice any review is likely to be highly deferential to state courts, as Justice Brett Kavanaugh notes in a concurrence. He favors Chief Justice William Rehnquist’s standard in Bush v. Gore (2000) that considers whether the state court “impermissibly distorted” state law “beyond what a fair reading required.”

As Justice Clarence Thomas explains in a dissent joined by Justice Neil Gorsuch, “it seems likely that ‘the bounds of ordinary judicial review’ will be a forgiving standard in practice,” swelling courts with election lawsuits that will be “quickly resolved with generic statements of deference to the state courts.”

The exceptions, he adds, “will arise haphazardly, in the midst of quickly evolving, politically charged controversies, and the winners of federal elections may be decided by a federal court’s expedited judgment that a state court exceeded ‘the bounds of ordinary judicial review’ in construing the state constitution.” Or vice versa.

This sounds right. Partisans routinely challenge state ballot laws in election years, and state courts often intervene at the last minute. Democratic attorney Marc Elias has built an entire legal practice doing this. The Court’s Moore ruling will invite more such legal elections mischief.

Will the High Court intervene and risk being attacked for election interference? Don’t count on it. The Court had precisely that opportunity in 2020 after Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court literally rewrote state election law to extend the deadline for receiving mail-in ballots. Justice Samuel Alito urged the Justices to hear the appeal, but the Court refused.

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The Moore ruling is the third in three weeks that shows the supposedly partisan Justices tip-toeing around election law—almost certainly to the benefit of Democrats.

In Allen v. Milligan, the Court struck down a GOP Legislature’s map because it didn’t include a second majority-black district. On Monday the Court declined to review a lower judge’s order requiring that Louisiana’s Congressional map be redrawn to add another majority-black district. This encourages more lawsuits using Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act to strike down GOP gerrymanders.

The Roberts Court may have a center-right majority, but it includes many flavors of conservative. That won’t stop the left from trying to destroy individual Justices, though perhaps Moore will provide a 24-hour respite.


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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2568 on: June 28, 2023, 01:57:18 PM »
"Roll was a registered Republican until recently. In a phone interview with PinalCentral, Roll expressed her changed sentiments toward her Republican colleagues, saying, “I can’t be associated with these people.”

I am skeptical.... of this .

 certainly possible, but

 now she sides with crats?


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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2570 on: June 29, 2023, 04:51:18 PM »
Correct to point this out-- but if I am not mistaken, Zuck is blocked from using "Zuck bucks" via govt electoral agencies this time around.  Yes, the Pravdas will prada, but a shot not fired is always a miss.

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2572 on: June 29, 2023, 08:22:00 PM »
Correct to point this out-- but if I am not mistaken, Zuck is blocked from using "Zuck bucks" via govt electoral agencies this time around.  Yes, the Pravdas will prada, but a shot not fired is always a miss.

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2574 on: June 30, 2023, 05:10:19 AM »
a) The eye roll response to a fair and accurate point, which graciously acknowledged your point, annoys a bit.

b) I will be playing forward the IT-Goolag connection article in your next post.

c) Applying blockchain to voting seems like a potent idea.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2023, 05:30:00 AM by Crafty_Dog »

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get psyched VOTE harder - we need to get the ballots
« Reply #2575 on: July 02, 2023, 11:45:59 AM »
Mamma said knock the Dems out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg

I got to join local Republican Party

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2577 on: July 05, 2023, 05:53:54 AM »
Doug:

This seems super powerful to me!

Pasting the whole thing here so it does not get Memory Holed somehow!

Playing this forward wherever I can!

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A Line of Defense Against Mail-in Ballot Fraud - American Thinker

July 4, 2023
A Line of Defense Against Mail-in Ballot Fraud
By Jay Valentine
One of the best things about a segment on the War Room, after virtually meeting Steve Bannon, is the incoming mail two days later.

The RNC, the Trump Campaign, almost every Republican state party chairperson believes the road to 2024 electoral victory is to “out-ballot-harvest the left.” It’s hard to argue with absolute nonsense.  To the rescue, however, comes a retired mail carrier who sent the following message:

Message: I am a retired mail man.

I just saw your War Room interview.
I now know where the mules got their ballots. Straight from the post office in returned/undeliverable mail.
While I have zero proof of where they ended up, I had those ballots you were talking about in my mail bag with wrong addresses or lacking apartment numbers or even people that moved and still had ballots delivered to their old apartment.
We put those ballots in a basket and someone came by and picked them up.
Hundreds or even thousands of ballots.
Who picked them up, where did they go?
Now we know why signature match was removed…
Someone needs to investigate the post office and their democratic union run activities.

Tell us, RNC, how are you going to beat this?


The only way to stop the government, in particular the United States Post Office, from gathering hundreds of thousands of loose ballots, all of which go somewhere other than to Republican candidates -- is to stop those ballots in the first place.

We know, from numerous sources, that the Post Office is one of several ballot-gathering apparatuses of the Left.  How much ballot harvesting at evangelical churches is needed to make up for government-sponsored ballot harvesting -- industrial scale?

A key to winning in 2024 is to identify every, or as close to every as technology and diligent work can enable -- every ballot being sent out that will land in that “basket” that “somebody” later picked up.

What are the addresses on those ballots?

Ballots mailed to vacant lots -- or in Arizona, street corners.
Ballots sent to apartment buildings without the unit or APT number.
Ballots sent to college dorms for students registered there for decades.
Ballots sent to fraternities with a 105-year-old student.
Ballots sent to churches -- which have no bedrooms, thus cannot be someone’s domicile.
Ballots for the person who moved -- over a year ago.
Ballots mailed to hotels and casinos.
Ballots where the address was modified -- by the voter commission (as in Arizona) -- the week those ballots went out, thus missing the recipient.
Ballots sent to Manchurian restaurants, laundromats, banks, and 7-Elevens -- all of which are not valid addresses for voters.
Ballots sent to UPS and FedEx boxes -- sometimes to a dozen people living in that little box.
Ballots sent to the apartment building -- but the address is the clubhouse -- which has no bedrooms.
Ballots sent to the 22,000 new voters in a single county entered just days before the election -- who were invisible to Arizona Republican candidates in 2022.
Ballots sent to Mr. Gonzales, Mr. Gonzalez, Mr. Gonzalles, all at the same address with the same date of birth.
Ballots sent to the Wisconsin college dorm that has 1,000 registered voters but can house only 250 adults.
Ballots sent to the 11 adults at the single-family Houston home that is 823 square feet with one bedroom and one bathroom.
Ballots mailed to people registered at an address in 2020 but the building was not built until 2022.
Ballots sent to the rehab facility for dozens of people who claim it as a residence for years.  (Rehab is not a “years” thing.)
Welcome to the Undeliverable Ballot Database.


A simple mail carrier, supported by other mail carriers we interviewed in person, shows how completely useless is the GOP campaign to “out-ballot-harvest” the Left.

Ballots -- which will not land in an eligible recipient’s hand - must be identified, months in advance of being mailed.

Most of those ballots, using super-compute technology, can be identified, shown to be illegitimate, and brought to everyone’s attention 6 months before election day.

When Harris County (Houston) floods the zone six months before early voting with 240,000 new voters, each needs to be instantly checked, verified, validated, and if necessary challenged -- before the 2024 election.  Wake up, Ted Cruz!

When Arizona and Wisconsin counties change identifiers the week mail-in ballots go out, then change them back, real time compute needs to flag it and ask “why?”

Here, let’s do it.

Two state legislatures invited the Fractal team to do a “proof of concept” for their state voter rolls.  So, that’s what we’re doing.

We ingest multiple copies of the voter rolls.  We want at least three dates but in one of the states, we will probably do a dozen.  Multiple copies of voter rolls shows movement, lights up changes made to the voter rolls that make you say hmm.

We compare every copy of the voter roll with every other copy -- every cell against all corresponding cells.  If someone’s zip code was changed, we flag it.  Might be no big deal, but then, might be Arizona where 33,000 zips were changed days before the election.

In a state rep election, for a Republican candidate, a primary, we found 212 people who moved from all over the state to this guy’s district.  They all voted.  Then about a month after the election, they all moved out of the district.  Where do you think they moved?  Back to their original houses!  He won!

We ingest the personal property tax rolls for the county.  Those show the type of building, if it is a business, the number of bedrooms, baths, units, year built, square footage of living space, and about 40 other useful attributes.

In Austin, Texas, we add the construction/permit rolls, giving us a closer to real time view of every property improvement.

For these two state legislatures, we want something for the Attorney General.

We bring in the FEC (Federal Election Commission) contribution rolls.  With a single click, the AG can see every “contribution mule” in the state.  If that’s not enough, we bring in the massive Medicaid rolls -- all claims, all providers, all recipients for dozens of years.  At this point, we are in the tens of billions record level -- and guess what we find?

Some of those same sketchy voter addresses -- fake people living in UPS boxes correspond to Medicaid providers -- who are likely fake.  We migrated from just cleaning voter rolls to making a state some real dough -- identifying Medicaid fraud.

This is the power of real time super-compute.

Our thesis to state governments is that it isn’t just voter fraud.  It’s identity fraud and it is not just in their voter rolls, identity fraud permeates every state government roll.

While we developed the Undeliverable Ballot Database to identify every address where a ballot will be sent yet not find an eligible recipient, we also created an address and identity database for people who claim one identity in Medicaid, another in WIC and another on the voter roll.

Vast government databases are virtually invisible to current SQL/relational technology.  Fractal and other super-computes are delivering real-time visibility to identity fraud lasting decades.

One of the first benefits is the Undeliverable Ballot Database -- saving the mail carrier all those fake ballots.

Jay Valentine led the team that built the eBay fraud detection engine and the TSA No-Fly List.  His Fractal team is currently working with several state legislatures to identify identity fraud in voter rolls, Medicaid and WIC rolls, FEC contribution mules.  Jay can be reached at Omega4America.com and his Twitter is @OmeAmerica17300

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« Reply #2578 on: July 05, 2023, 06:27:36 AM »
I agree.  Even with '2000 mules' exposé, we were not fully understanding HOW they were doing it and therefore not able to stop them.

Now this from inside the US Postal Service:

"I now know where the mules got their ballots. Straight from the post office in returned/undeliverable mail.
While I have zero proof of where they ended up, I had those ballots you were talking about in my mail bag with wrong addresses or lacking apartment numbers or even people that moved and still had ballots delivered to their old apartment.
We put those ballots in a basket and someone came by and picked them up.
Hundreds or even thousands of ballots.
Who picked them up, where did they go?"

(Doug) Yes, that makes sense, now how do you stop it?

You need a 'poll watcher' on every postal carrier and every post office at every possible moment for weeks and months?

The obvious answer is election rules (laws) that control the fraud:

No absentee voting without a good reason

No ballot mailed out without a formal request from the voter.

Election day, not election season.

I received multiple forms to register to vote from the City of Minneapolis by mail when anyone could see from the address I don't live in the city (and don't need multiple forms).

They started this process by electing/installing 'Soros' prosecutors and 'Soros' state secretaries of state to 'regulate' and administer the elections. 

Funny that we finally found something liberals want to deregulate, elections.

They narrowed the targets to maybe 6 cities and maybe just certain precincts in those cities.  And then they turned in whatever they needed.

Anyway, it can't be disrupted without being fully understood.

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2579 on: July 05, 2023, 06:32:44 AM »
Yes AND we now have a simple, clear, easy-to-state hypothesis to the many, many people deeply offended by what they believe about Trump.  THIS matters!!!

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WT: Federal law versus state vote count times
« Reply #2580 on: July 07, 2023, 09:23:06 AM »

CLASH: States expanded their early voting and mail-in ballot period during the depths of the COVID-19 pandemic. Congress set a national Election Day in the 1840s to standardize and speed up what had been a month of voting across different states. ASSOCIATED PRESS


The pandemic dramatically expanded the number of jurisdictions with permissive mail balloting rules, fueling some skepticism about the integrity of elections. The timing of delivery for mail-in ballots can rest with the local post office. ASSOCIATED PRESS

ELECTIONS

State’s expanded voting rules test federal Election Day law

Lawsuit seeks to cut North Dakota’s 13-day ballot count

BY STEPHEN DINAN THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Activists are challenging the expansion of Election Day into a full election season with a lawsuit aimed at trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle.

The immediate target is North Dakota, which counts ballots received nearly two weeks after the big day. The broader target is the growing sense that the country has moved beyond the concept of a single day for deciding elections.

“Election Day is supposed to be election day. That’s what Congress said, that’s what people grew up with in this country, and the last two elections it’s become election month,” said J. Christian Adams, president of the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

The foundation brought the lawsuit on behalf of Mark Splonskowski, Burleigh County auditor and a member of the county’s election canvassing board in North Dakota. He says he is forced to violate either state law, which allows ballots to be received and counted up to 13 days after elections, or federal law, which sets Election Day as the Tuesday after the first Monday in November.

The question is likely to come down to what counts as casting a ballot.

North Dakota’s law requires mailed ballots to be filled out and postmarked by the day before the election, though the lawsuit claims they can be counted

if they are received before the county canvassing boards meet. That date is 13 days after Election Day.

The state is generous with its absentee policy. It allows anyone to request a mail-in ballot without giving a reason until the day before an election.

In his lawsuit, Mr. Splonskowski says at least 212 ballots received after Election Day last year were counted, including one without a postmark.

North Dakota’s secretary of state, which oversees elections, and its attorney general did not respond to requests for comment.

Mr. Adams said the issue of post-Election Day ballots grew more important as states rushed to embrace expansive absentee and mailed-ballot rules, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Several cases involving post-Election Day ballots have risen through the courts, but the Supreme Court has largely batted them down without getting to the heart of the issue that Mr. Splonskowski is raising.

Congress set a national election day in the 1840s to standardize and speed up what had been a month of voting across different states. In the 1870s, Congress fixed the day for all federal contests.

Voting was public in the Colonial days and the early days of the republic. Those eligible showed up at specific times and places to announce their votes — often after candidates plied them with alcohol.

War made absentee voting necessary. Pennsylvania allowed absentee voting for troops fighting the War of 1812, and many Northern and Southern states adopted the practice for 1864. Some voted at their Civil War encampments, and others cast ballots through the mail. Some historians said these were the votes that ensured President Lincoln won a second term.

The practice was generally restricted at first. In recent decades, states have moved to expand the reasons for allowing early or mail voting. Some states now conduct all-mail elections in which every eligible voter is automatically sent a ballot.

The pandemic dramatically expanded the number of jurisdictions with permissive mail balloting rules, fueling some skepticism about the integrity of elections. President Trump criticized mail-in voting as “out of control” for the 2020 elections.

Mr. Adams said the delayed deadlines for counting ballots allow elections to “linger and linger.” Meanwhile, ballots are in the hands of the post office.

The lawsuit seeks a declaration from the U.S. District Court of North Dakota that the state’s law violates federal law. If Mr. Splonskowski prevails, Mr. Adams said, other states could face challenges.

Congress has created carve-outs from the law, specifically for military and overseas voters, whose mail-in ballots received after Election Day are counted.

Mr. Adams said that bolsters his argument because it’s proof that Congress must write exceptions when it wants states to circumvent the Election Day law.

“If there’s going to be an extended election, Congress has to give the specifi c green light on a specific topic,” Mr. Adams said.

He said ballots cast before Election Day don’t raise the same integrity issues because they are ready to be counted before the big day.

Federal courts have ruled on the issue and found early voting to be in accordance with federal law, he said

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Election accuracy confidence
« Reply #2582 on: July 14, 2023, 07:39:37 AM »
22% of Republicans and 44% of voters have confidence votes will be counted accurately.

THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE 99.9%+.

Source:  http://apnews.com/

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WSJ on "True the Vote"
« Reply #2589 on: July 24, 2023, 05:51:04 AM »
If we are to succeed in restoring vote integrity, we need to do one fk of a lot better than this:

============‘2000 Mules’ but No Evidence
True the Vote stiff-arms law enforcement as it faces a defamation case.
By The Editorial Board
July 23, 2023 6:15 pm ET



President Trump keeps insisting the 2020 election was stolen, and in a recent interview he referred to the group True the Vote, saying “they have people stuffing the ballot boxes on tapes.” This was the thesis of the movie “2000 Mules,” but then why is True the Vote refusing to work with law enforcement?

This month Georgia officials sued the group for ignoring a subpoena for substantiation of its claims. True the Vote submitted a complaint in 2021 about ballot trafficking in Georgia. In April 2022, the State Election Board issued a subpoena for, to pick one thing, “the identities of the ‘ten hubs’ in Atlanta that you allege participated in a ballot harvesting scheme.”

Shouldn’t they be eager to comply? Instead, after the subpoena arrived, True the Vote asked to withdraw its complaint. The state board declined, given the gravity of the allegations, and now it’s telling a judge the subpoena is being flouted: “True the Vote continues to indifferently vacillate between statements of assured compliance and blanket refusal.”

Curious. In a letter to the FBI and the IRS last fall, the Arizona Attorney General’s Office said True the Vote also gave it the runaround. Reggie Grigsby, chief special agent, wrote that True the Vote publicly asserted “they had provided us with the information—to include a hard drive.” He called this “patently false.”

According to Mr. Grigsby, True the Vote told the FBI they’d given their evidence to the state, while telling the state they’d given it to the FBI. Because the nonprofit group was using its fraud claims to raise “considerable sums of money,” Mr. Grigsby said, “further review of its financials may be warranted.” True the Vote did not reply to a request for comment on Georgia’s and Arizona’s contentions.

The group and Dinesh D’Souza, who narrates “2000 Mules,” are also being sued for defamation by a Georgia voter depicted in the movie. Surveillance tape shows Mark Andrews putting ballots into a drop box. “What you are seeing is a crime,” Mr. D’Souza says. “These are fraudulent votes.” Mr. Andrews responds that he was legally delivering his family’s ballots. His unblurred face and license plate appeared in True the Vote media hits. State investigators cleared him three days before “2000 Mules” was released.

What sticks out most is the movie’s elisions. True the Vote says it bought 10 trillion signals of cellphone data and looked for phones near 10 drop boxes and five unnamed liberal nonprofits. Voilà: 250 mules in Georgia, 200 in Arizona, 1,100 in Philadelphia.

Yet the Georgia Bureau of Investigation told the group in 2021 it lacked probable cause to examine 279 phones that “made multiple trips to within 100 feet of a voter drop box.” A hundred feet? That might snag any visitor to a public library where a drop box was placed. With 10 trillion pings, what are the odds that some random patterns would show up even in states that Mr. Trump won?

The film shows a map of an alleged mule’s route in Atlanta, but critics say the dots don’t exactly match actual drop box sites. “The movie graphics are not literal interpretations of our data,” a True the Vote analyst told the Washington Post. Philadelphia is cited as having the most mules. But wait, Mr. Trump won 17.9% of ballots there, notably better than his 15.4% in 2016. Also, Philly fell to 10.7% of the state’s total vote, from 11.6%. Heckuva job, liberal mules.

To bolster the phone data, True the Vote says it obtained four million minutes of surveillance video, but why doesn’t “2000 Mules” show any of the alleged footage of the same person going to multiple drop boxes? “It was taken out,” True the Vote said, “because the video is extremely poor quality.”

Four million minutes of tape, and no clear shot of illegality. If activists want to double-check voter lists and surveillance videos, go ahead. But if they take liberties with facts and refuse to help law enforcement, what game are they really playing?

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2590 on: July 24, 2023, 02:30:32 PM »
interesting on 2,000 mules

yet despite this something certainly did happen

all the voting rules were changed to give Dems more time to bring in ballots

When we went to bed Trump was leading in all the swing regions

When we woke up 10s of 1,000 ballots all get dumped and counted overnight and Trump was behind in all the same swing locations

Right in front of our eyes

I don't have faith in Ronda McDaniel ........

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2592 on: July 26, 2023, 09:55:29 AM »
I think this is worth about  $500 million in damages don't you?

"just to make a point and to prevent such outrage again"

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69% of GOP voters don't believe Biden got the votes to win
« Reply #2594 on: August 03, 2023, 06:38:10 PM »
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/poll-election-fraud-joe-biden/2023/08/03/id/1129507/
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Put another way, fewer than 30% of the opposition party think Biden won the 2020 election.

The country as we know it ends when the side that loses doesn't abide by the result.  The above doubt is unsustainable.

It is the DEMOCRATS IN POWER who should be working to secure the elections if they believe they win with no cheat.  They could govern and control us better if we knew the result was legit.

The status quo leads to civil war if not corrected. That's not good for the ruling party, especially when all the guns are on the other side.  )
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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2595 on: August 04, 2023, 07:45:17 AM »
Mass mail ballots and ballot harvesting vastly expanded via the Trojan Horse excuse of the Wuhan Virus-- for which they now claim permanence.

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2596 on: August 04, 2023, 08:21:54 AM »
Mass mail ballots and ballot harvesting vastly expanded via the Trojan Horse excuse of the Wuhan Virus-- for which they now claim permanence.

They claim permanence and it's our challenge to overcome that.

State and local elections matter. George Soros and the rest of the Left have been targeting key positions like district attorneys and state secretaries of state, and putting real money and effort into it with results to show for it. School boards too and the education regime.  The left has been doing the hard work all the way up and down the ticket for a long time, and our side hasn't.  Money and lots of behind the scenes work, they're doing it, we aren't.

Our side doesn't seem to care, and it's more than frustrating.

It may be a once in a lifetime opportunity  now to reverse this wide open, mail vote harvest season and replace it with one highly regulated election day.
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What would a legitimate Democrat win look like to Republicans?
« Reply #2597 on: August 05, 2023, 10:33:25 AM »
A leftist author writes a great question - and then doesn't answer it.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/08/what-would-a-legitimate-biden-win-look-like-to-republicans.html?utm_source=msn&utm_medium=f1&utm_campaign=feed-part

What selective amnesia these jerks have, doubting every election they lose and then painting it as a disease when the other side does that. It's only the losing side that matters. The winning side never doubts the outcome.

He gets so close to answering it just by asking the question. A result we would have confidence in would have all those things mentioned recently on these pages. One, in person, election day.  Absentee ballots issued only for good reason. Voter ID. No one but you touches your ballot, again, except only for good reason.  No one touches the balance without multiple election judges present. And so on.

But of course the author only tells us how stupid Republicans are to not trust the result, then suddenly the column ends without answering the question he asked.

My question, if they aren't planning to win by cheating, why not reform the process until both sides have confidence?

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Re: The electoral process, vote fraud, SEIU/ACORN et al, etc.
« Reply #2598 on: August 05, 2023, 06:43:45 PM »
"My question, if they aren't planning to win by cheating, why not reform the process until both sides have confidence?"

THIS.

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the Left's response wold be
« Reply #2599 on: August 06, 2023, 08:02:36 AM »
"My question, if they aren't planning to win by cheating, why not reform the process until both sides have confidence?"

Shysters respond :

nothing illegal here.

no evidence of cheating

go prove it !