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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #350 on: February 21, 2022, 07:08:26 PM »
- Ukraine legalizes BTC,
- Bulgarian exchange for crypto starts functioning
- Huge BTC buys happening in Poland, which borders Ukraine
- Russian parliament is debating legalizing crypto...alternative to SWIFT
- Putin has indicated decision will be made today..

It seems to me that 2 new Republics may be coming up ....

Its a done deal, Congrats Putin, well played. Fitting that he did this on US President's day. Hopefully, Biden has finished his ice cream by now.
Russia will take care of the defense of the 2 republiks and later when things calm down, annex them.

https://newsthud.com/wow-putin-chooses-to-invade-ukraine-on-the-anniversary-of-one-of-joe-bidens-tweets-about-him/

Not coincidental.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #351 on: February 21, 2022, 08:12:02 PM »
- Ukraine legalizes BTC,
- Bulgarian exchange for crypto starts functioning
- Huge BTC buys happening in Poland, which borders Ukraine
- Russian parliament is debating legalizing crypto...alternative to SWIFT
- Putin has indicated decision will be made today..

It seems to me that 2 new Republics may be coming up ....

Its a done deal, Congrats Putin, well played. Fitting that he did this on US President's day. Hopefully, Biden has finished his ice cream by now.
Russia will take care of the defense of the 2 republiks and later when things calm down, annex them.

https://newsthud.com/wow-putin-chooses-to-invade-ukraine-on-the-anniversary-of-one-of-joe-bidens-tweets-about-him/

Not coincidental.

https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/erick_erickson_russia_and_democrats_02-21-2022-2.jpg



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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #352 on: February 21, 2022, 09:29:26 PM »
Ummm, there is also Bush43 and Ossetia.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #354 on: February 22, 2022, 09:37:27 AM »
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The Not Quite Invasion
Little has changed on the ground, but everything has changed politically.
By: George Friedman
Russia has officially ordered soldiers into Donetsk and Luhansk, and though this certainly increases the sense of crisis, it must also be put in context. The region has effectively been under Russian control since the aftermath of the 2014 Maidan revolution. It is heavily ethnically Russian and is hostile to Ukraine. Various militias and paramilitary forces here have been fighting for years, with Russia providing support for the separatists. The east is formally part of Ukraine, but it has created its own administrative structures and militaries, which are heavily under the influence of Russia. In other words, Russia invaded an area in which it already had near-total control. In the eyes of international law, it was clearly an invasion. In practice, however, it isn’t so cut and dry.

Russia has been amassing troops and hardware near the border for some time now, but it couldn’t maintain a constant threat of war indefinitely, especially if Washington kept claiming that war was imminent. Moscow also understood that though the military buildup made for a frightening picture, an actual invasion of a country the size of Ukraine was fraught with difficulties – even if it were sure the U.S. wouldn’t respond with force. Russia therefore had to make its threat real without triggering a theoretical military response or a much more likely financial response. It needed to gauge American commitment and, in turn, Europe’s commitment to its alliance with America. Invading a region that was practically if not nominally part of Russia was a good way to achieve this. It has shown its aggression without taking an aggressive move.

The danger, of course, is that it could be seen as a prelude to a full-scale invasion. Indeed, that is how most are portraying it. But the truth is that this makes Ukraine no less difficult to take by force, makes the justification no less difficult to sell, and completely takes away the element of surprise.

Even so, it has left the United States with a problem. There’s no question that Russia wants to take control of Ukraine. But before it tries, it must test Western solidarity. It has forced the U.S. to act, even though it doesn’t really want to incur the cost of action. If Washington does nothing – because there is nothing that needs to be done – then that by itself can undermine the Western alliance.

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Re: Ukraine, "peacekeeping" forces
« Reply #355 on: February 22, 2022, 09:45:15 AM »
US and European Left have met their match with word distortions, probably because KGB was their mentor in the first place.

 Obama never sought Congressional authorization to conduct war in Libya. Instead they called it "kinetic action".

With domestic policy it is far worse.  Affordable means subsidized.  Infrastructure means social engineering. Abortion is reproductive rights and choice means death to unwanted young.

But they met their match, the grand Master, a card carrying Soviet, invades his neighbor with "peacekeeping forces".

To the Left, you got played, right out of your play book, by the people you stole the play from.

Could we please call an end to butchering and reinventing the language., at least at home, and call things what they are?
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"Could we please call an end to butchering and reinventing the language."
« Reply #356 on: February 22, 2022, 10:10:11 AM »

like substituting

progressive
for socialist
and democrat socialist for

communist

and using Stalin tactics to put down all opposition from the Right as protecting "democracy"

suppose I wake up today feeling like a building
is it ok to call myself a building?


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Stratfor: What to Watch For
« Reply #357 on: February 22, 2022, 06:49:09 PM »


What to Watch for as the Russia-Ukraine Conflict Escalates
The Russia-Ukraine conflict entered a new stage on Feb. 21 after Russia moved to end the Minsk peace deal by formally recognizing eastern Ukraine’s two separatist republics as independent states. In response, the West has announced the first round of economic sanctions against Moscow over the crisis. With the prospect of Russian troops crossing into Ukrainian-controlled territory now a distinct possibility, the potential escalation or de-escalation of the conflict will hinge on the evolution of the following developments in the coming days:

1) The Donbas conflict
On Feb. 22, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow’s recognition of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk republics in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region goes beyond the territories that the rebels currently control and includes their claims over the rest of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, which are currently controlled by Ukraine. This position is meant to preserve the threat of a further invasion of Ukraine in the near future, as Moscow could use claims of defending the territorial integrity of its proxy states to launch an invasion of more Ukrainian territory inside Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, or even beyond them. In gauging whether the conflict will escalate, it will thus be key to monitor the current situation on the frontline in Donbas, as signs of renewed fighting or reported deaths of Russian citizens and/or service members there could serve as the grounds for a Russian “peace enforcement” operation to destroy Ukrainian military units and secure the Donbas or large pieces of Ukraine.

In a televised speech on Ukraine delivered on Feb. 21, Putin appeared to suggest the Ukrainian government hold talks with separatists regarding the border claims, noting “that all the difficult questions will be solved during negotiations between the current Kyiv government and the leadership of this government.” This suggestion inflamed concerns of an imminent Russian military operation deep into Ukraine, as such talks would likely only take place after Moscow attempts to restore the republics’ claimed borders. This ambiguity is meant to keep the door open to further incursions into Russian territory while also preventing the implementation of particularly tough sanctions against Russia. Moreover, Russia’s authorization for the deployment of forces to the separatist regions does not explicitly confine them to the areas currently controlled by the Donbas governments.

2) Russia’s military buildup near Ukraine
Russia’s military buildup around Ukraine has only increased in recent days and, despite statements by Russian and Belarusian officials, shows few signs of winding down. Russian troops continue to move into areas nearest to the Ukrainian border, with Russian national guard troops spotted in Belarus for the first time on Feb. 22. Similar to Russia’s presence in the Donbas, this is meant to keep the threat of an invasion alive.

In another potential precursor of an imminent Russian attack on Ukraine, Russia's foreign ministry announced on Feb. 22 it will evacuate its embassy staff from Ukraine as soon as possible, citing "repeated attacks" by Ukrainians since 2014. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensk also recently called up military reservists, signaling the Ukrainian government is beginning to become aware of the distinct possibility of an imminent Russian military action. A significant signpost for a Russian incursion would be a notification from the U.S. or Ukrainian defense officials that Russian units have reorganized into concentrated strike groups, which would come only hours before military action.


3) Western-Russian diplomatic contacts
On Feb. 21, the same day it recognized the two rebel republics in Donbas, Russia insisted on holding meetings with European and U.S. officials. In the coming days, the European Union is likely to defend the need to continue diplomatic talks, even if the bloc has imposed sanctions on Russia. Brussels believes diplomacy can prevent an escalation of the conflict, even if it leads to a frozen conflict and not to a permanent solution.

An outcome similar to that of Russia’s conflict with Georgia in 2008 — where political negotiations brought the armed battle to an end without fully solving the territorial disputes that caused it — is something that Moscow can probably accept because a frozen conflict would effectively end any chances of Ukraine ever joining NATO or the European Union. Such an outcome would also enable the European Union to reduce the probability of war in Ukraine, even if some of the sanctions against Russia stay in place for potentially years. The United States, which has taken a more hawkish stance on Russia’s demands for security guarantees, is probably the main obstacle to this scenario. There is for now little sign that the West, and the United States in particular, is prepared for an immediate return to dialogue as Russia continues to push unacceptable demands while continuing to engage in escalation. A meeting between the two countries’ foreign affairs chiefs scheduled for Feb. 24 was canceled, with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken saying that “now that we see the invasion is beginning and Russia has made clear its wholesale rejection of diplomacy, it does not make sense to go forward with that meeting at this time.” This suggests another summit between Putin and U.S. President Joe Biden is unlikely at this time. U.S. and European leaders, however, will keep the option for de-escalation talks open.

4) The West’s response
So far, the West’s reaction to events in eastern Ukraine has been relatively mild. On Feb. 22, the European Union announced that it will limit the Russian government's access to the bloc’s capital and financial services markets. In addition, the bloc agreed to sanction all the legislators in the Russian State Duma who supported the recognition of the rebel republics, as well as 27 individuals and entities accused of destabilizing Ukraine. Following weeks of internal and external pressure, the German government also announced the suspension of the certification process of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline between Germany and Russia (Berlin, however, could reverse this decision in the future).

Separately, the United Kingdom froze the assets of five Russian banks and several Russian individuals involved in the recognition of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics in eastern Ukraine. Both the European Union and the United Kingdom also banned trade with the two separatist regions. Finally, the United States announced sanctions against two Russian financial institutions and on Russia's sovereign debt, in addition to personal sanctions targeting representatives of the Russian elite and their families.

These announcements show that the United States and its allies in Europe are not displaying their full firepower, as tougher sanctions have been avoided in an understanding they will be needed in response to Russia's further plans for escalation. In an effort to keep negotiation channels open with Moscow, Western leaders will likely only consider resorting to more drastic measures (such as banning exports of strategic technology to Russia, targeting larger Russian banks, or even cutting Russia off from the SWIFT messaging system for electronic payments) in the case of a substantial escalation of the conflict, which could come in a matter of days.

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Trump on Putin
« Reply #358 on: February 23, 2022, 06:56:06 AM »
"genius"

"keep the peace"

sorry, but this is wrong headed to be saying this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-praises-putins-genius-incursion-into-ukraine-234001858.html

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« Reply #359 on: February 23, 2022, 07:11:38 AM »
"genius"

"keep the peace"

sorry, but this is wrong headed to be saying this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-praises-putins-genius-incursion-into-ukraine-234001858.html

Yes, leaves him vulnerable to Yahoo and Psaki saying Trump praised Putin, but it is kind of obvious, Putin, pursuing evil, is far smarter than his German and American counterparts trying to stop him.

Trump, within the same article, same interview:  "By the way, this never would have happened with us. Had I been in office, not even thinkable. This would never have happened."  Meaning this is terrible what Putin did, and it was invited (caused) by Biden's weakness.  All true.

For context, look at what he said in 2018 about Germany and the pipeline, closing coal and nuclear and becoming dependent on adversary Russia.  Also unthinkable but they did it.  This was all warned by Trump and happened under Biden.

Same reporting, Psaki noted how Trump had sided with Russia when it annexed the Crimean Peninsula.

Umm, that happened under Obama-Biden, American weakness, shortly after the America apology tour.  Russia, China, NK, Iran etc annexed nothing under Trump.  Wonder why.
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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #360 on: February 23, 2022, 07:28:13 AM »
but messaging is his problem

he always has to say something controversial
that is then taken and placed into the headlines

and the rest of it is all lost
in the details
that no one reads but his followers who get
 backed into a corner and then having to put his bluster into context
with the details

never fails


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #361 on: February 23, 2022, 07:30:51 AM »
Right.  But this isn't about Trump.




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Ukrainian guerilla warriors
« Reply #365 on: February 24, 2022, 08:17:24 AM »
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/02/24/a-well-regulated-militia-ukraine-gives-guns-to-citizens-to-defend-our-country/

or Ukrainian cheerleaders

lets pray there are not mass rapes ........
not being sarcastic

I still am not clear
if we just declared that Ukraine would not be in Nato would this still have happened?

Maybe Putin was simply waiting for corona to die down prior to invasion ?


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Ukraine, Russia launches "full-scale" military invasion
« Reply #366 on: February 24, 2022, 08:35:42 AM »
Vladimir Putin has launched a full-scale military invasion of Ukraine and demanded Kyiv’s army lay down its weapons, launching what could be the largest conflict in Europe since the second world war. In an address broadcast on state television shortly before 6am on Thursday, Russia’s president claimed that he was not planning to occupy Ukraine but vowed Moscow would punish all those who stood in its way. “The goal is to defend people who have been victims of abuse and genocide from the Kyiv regime. And we will strive to demilitarise and de-Nazify Ukraine,” Putin said. “All responsibility for the possible bloodshed will be fully and completely on the conscience of the ruling regime.”
   - Source: Financial Times (paywall) ft.com

Within minutes of Putin’s short televised address, explosions were heard near major Ukrainian cities, including the capital Kyiv. The scope of the Russian attack appears to be massive. Ukraine’s interior ministry reported that the country was under attack from cruise and ballistic missiles, with Russia appearing to target infrastructure near major cities such as Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol and Dnipro.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/russia-attacks-ukraine-news-vladimir-putin-zelenskiy-russian-invasion

Ukrainian officials say Russian troops have landed in Odessa while others are crossing the border into Kharkiv. The Ukrainian interior ministry made the announcement on Telegram, adding that rocket attacks are targeting Ukrainian fighter jets at an airport outside Kyiv. Ukraine’s state emergency service says attacks have been launched against 10 Ukrainian regions, primarily in the east and south of the country. The Guardian’s live coverage is constantly updating.

Kyiv urges EU to provide air-defences as Russia invades on multiple fronts
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/24/russia-invades-ukraine-declares-war-latest-news-live-updates-russian-invasion-vladimir-putin-explosions-bombing-kyiv-kharkiv
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'want us to' Protect Ukraine borders while dismantling ours
« Reply #368 on: February 24, 2022, 02:21:02 PM »
A lose, lose proposition.  It turns out that doing nothing to help Ukraine did not make our southern border more secure.
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« Reply #222 on: January 07, 2022, 03:50:39 PM »
[Doug] These don't equate for me.

"Our “elites” want us to protect Ukrainian borders while dismantling ours."

What we are allowing to happen at our southern border is treasonous, but not related to the questions of whether and how to assist Ukraine against Russia.


January 8:
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Re: 'want us to' Protect Ukraine borders while dismantling ours
« Reply #369 on: February 24, 2022, 03:30:16 PM »
Russia didn’t burn down any American cities in 2020. Ukraine isn’t a friend or ally, no matter how much cocaine they supplied to Hunter.


A lose, lose proposition.  It turns out that doing nothing to help Ukraine did not make our southern border more secure.
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« Reply #222 on: January 07, 2022, 03:50:39 PM »
[Doug] These don't equate for me.

"Our “elites” want us to protect Ukrainian borders while dismantling ours."

What we are allowing to happen at our southern border is treasonous, but not related to the questions of whether and how to assist Ukraine against Russia.


January 8:


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Re: 'want us to' Protect Ukraine borders while dismantling ours
« Reply #370 on: February 24, 2022, 04:43:41 PM »
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/099/724/258/original/d11d08b8d3ecff75.jpg



Russia didn’t burn down any American cities in 2020. Ukraine isn’t a friend or ally, no matter how much cocaine they supplied to Hunter.


A lose, lose proposition.  It turns out that doing nothing to help Ukraine did not make our southern border more secure.
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« Reply #222 on: January 07, 2022, 03:50:39 PM »
[Doug] These don't equate for me.

"Our “elites” want us to protect Ukrainian borders while dismantling ours."

What we are allowing to happen at our southern border is treasonous, but not related to the questions of whether and how to assist Ukraine against Russia.


January 8:

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NYT: Ukes ask Turkey to close the Bosporus and Dardanelles to war ships
« Reply #371 on: February 24, 2022, 08:23:51 PM »
Ukraine asks Turkey to close the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits to warships.

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Quality post from another forum I frequent
« Reply #372 on: February 24, 2022, 08:30:25 PM »
second

now I may well be proven wrong but I doubt it. The answer to the question of Crafty's article is Europe and the US have already made a deal with Putin on which parts of Ukraine he gets to keep. Maybe all of it.

1. Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe so is nothing but an economic drag.
2. Germany needs the gas and is effectively a vassal of the Tsar already. Germany runs Europe.
3. Just like the CCP does, the Tsar has the goods on the Biden crime family, which is the reason (in addition to 4.) for the half assed sanctions.
4. The banksters need the money flow to continue. This is also part of 3.
5. Unless I'm mistaken, gas/oil is still flowing in the pipelines all across Ukraine.
6. $100 per barrel oil will send the world into a recession, giving Biden, et al something to blame for their tottering economies. Klaus Schwab and the Great Reset gang will be very happy.

Historically, there is nothing at all unusual about powers allowing weak countries to be divided up and banks making bank off of it. This is just business as usual in Europe.

The only real questions are:

1. does Zelenskyy know? I suspect he does because today he announced full mobilization that will take 90 days. Why not start months, weeks, or even days ago?
2. do the lower echelons of the Ukraine military - the ones actually fighting - know? I have no clue but it sure seems strange to me that the frigging border crossing stations weren't mined and filled with IEDs

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« Reply #373 on: February 25, 2022, 12:37:18 AM »
second

now I may well be proven wrong but I doubt it. The answer to the question of Crafty's article is Europe and the US have already made a deal with Putin on which parts of Ukraine he gets to keep. Maybe all of it.

1. Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe so is nothing but an economic drag.
2. Germany needs the gas and is effectively a vassal of the Tsar already. Germany runs Europe.
3. Just like the CCP does, the Tsar has the goods on the Biden crime family, which is the reason (in addition to 4.) for the half assed sanctions.
4. The banksters need the money flow to continue. This is also part of 3.
5. Unless I'm mistaken, gas/oil is still flowing in the pipelines all across Ukraine.
6. $100 per barrel oil will send the world into a recession, giving Biden, et al something to blame for their tottering economies. Klaus Schwab and the Great Reset gang will be very happy.

Historically, there is nothing at all unusual about powers allowing weak countries to be divided up and banks making bank off of it. This is just business as usual in Europe.

The only real questions are:

1. does Zelenskyy know? I suspect he does because today he announced full mobilization that will take 90 days. Why not start months, weeks, or even days ago?
2. do the lower echelons of the Ukraine military - the ones actually fighting - know? I have no clue but it sure seems strange to me that the frigging border crossing stations weren't mined and filled with IEDs

This makes a lot of sense to me.


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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #374 on: February 25, 2022, 06:44:22 AM »
From further up:
"Ukraine isn’t a friend or ally,"

It isn't the loss of Ukraine that hurts us most, it is the gain of ground, of resources, if power, and emboldening of Putin/Russia/new USSR that is the biggest loss here, sure to cost us more in the not so long run than doing more to dissuade him sooner, IMHO.

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #375 on: February 25, 2022, 07:24:09 AM »
From further up:
"Ukraine isn’t a friend or ally,"

It isn't the loss of Ukraine that hurts us most, it is the gain of ground, of resources, if power, and emboldening of Putin/Russia/new USSR that is the biggest loss here, sure to cost us more in the not so long run than doing more to dissuade him sooner, IMHO.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/099/839/016/original/e797ff6fcfd30e86.png



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George Friedman discusses getting it wrong.
« Reply #378 on: February 25, 2022, 09:58:48 AM »
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My Mistake on Ukraine
Thoughts in and around geopolitics.
By: George Friedman

Since the beginning of the Russian armored buildup, and even after the entry into Donbas, I argued that the Russians would not invade Ukraine proper. It’s true that Russia must recover Ukraine in some fashion to gain the strategic depth it lost when the Soviet Union collapsed, but that didn’t seem to require a full-scale invasion. I was wrong. Even so, I would like to take a moment to explain my thinking.

My mistake came from a couple of false assumptions. The first concerns the recent history of Russian “intervention” in its borderlands. In Belarus, protests erupted after Alexander Lukashenko won what was widely held as a fraudulent election. It’s possible his government would have buckled under popular pressure, just as Ukraine's had years earlier, if not for Russian support. Moscow turned Belarus into a vassal state without the threat of war, a soft but substantial increase in its power.

Elsewhere, after the Nagorno-Karabakh war last year, Russia mediated a cease-fire between Azerbaijan and Armenia, a key provision of which was to allow Russia to keep several thousand peacekeepers nearby. It was yet another soft coup that gave Russia a military presence in the vital South Caucasus.

Much more recently, there was an outbreak of political violence in Kazakhstan, perhaps the most important country in Central Asia. The government was destabilized, so Moscow sent peacekeepers to stabilize it.

Having watched Russia recover strategic depth through soft coups, taking advantage of internal tensions and local wars to stabilize the situation and recover strategic depth, I believed it would do likewise in Ukraine. The problem was that there were no divisions within Ukraine proper to exploit, nor any conflicts in which to intervene. More, I failed to appreciate that for Russia, Ukraine was too urgent a matter to be treated like the others.

My second assumption was that an armored invasion was simply too risky. The risks are real, of course. Supporting three armored divisions is expensive and logistically difficult in the best of circumstances, and vulnerable to missile attacks to boot. The U.S. said it would not go to war in Ukraine, but I assumed Vladimir Putin couldn’t take Washington at its word. Add to this the fact that the U.K. sent a very large amount of Javelin anti-tank missiles. Clearly, Ukrainians were training rapidly for the exact kind of invasion that is now transpiring.

I concluded that the buildup and “invasion” of Donbas was a bluff meant to create the opportunity for another soft coup. Russia already de facto controlled Donbas, so making it official seemed like a less risky way for Russia to flex without actually going to war. I rejected the idea that this would be the foundation of Russia’s military planning.

Trapped as I was by these two false assumptions, I then committed the worst error one can make in intelligence. After reaching my conclusions, and knowing that Russia was going to take Ukraine somehow, I either ignored data contrary to my position or took it as evidence that supported my position. I believed what I believed until I no longer could.

Ultimately, I didn’t attack my own theory. I failed to see its weaknesses. I should always be my own worst enemy. I failed to do so, and for that, I am sorry.




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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #382 on: February 25, 2022, 08:17:18 PM »
I could be completely wide of the mark here, but it is not clear to me that Putin is necessarily going to win in the medium to long term.


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Thomas Friedman actually writes something intelligent:
« Reply #384 on: February 26, 2022, 07:46:09 AM »
We Have Never Been Here Before
Feb. 25, 2022
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A Soviet-era statue in Oleksandriya, Ukraine, titled “Knowledge Is Strength” was transformed a few weeks ago to include a Ukrainian flag.Credit...Brendan Hoffman for The New York Times
Thomas L. Friedman
By Thomas L. Friedman

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The seven most dangerous words in journalism are: “The world will never be the same.” In over four decades of reporting, I have rarely dared use that phrase. But I’m going there now in the wake of Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

Our world is not going to be the same again because this war has no historical parallel. It is a raw, 18th-century-style land grab by a superpower — but in a 21st-century globalized world. This is the first war that will be covered on TikTok by super-empowered individuals armed only with smartphones, so acts of brutality will be documented and broadcast worldwide without any editors or filters. On the first day of the war, we saw invading Russian tank units unexpectedly being exposed by Google maps, because Google wanted to alert drivers that the Russian armor was causing traffic jams.

You have never seen this play before.

Yes, the Russian attempt to seize Ukraine is a throwback to earlier centuries — before the democracy revolutions in America and France — when a European monarch or Russian czar could simply decide that he wanted more territory, that the time was ripe to grab it, and so he did. And everyone in the region knew he would devour as much as he could and there was no global community to stop him.

In acting this way today, though, Putin is not only aiming to unilaterally rewrite the rules of the international system that have been in place since World War II — that no nation can just devour the nation next door — he is also out to alter that balance of power that he feels was imposed on Russia after the Cold War.

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That balance — or imbalance in Putin’s view — was the humiliating equivalent of the Versailles Treaty’s impositions on Germany after World War I. In Russia’s case, it meant Moscow having to swallow NATO’s expansion not only to include the old Eastern European countries that had been part of the Soviet Union’s sphere of influence, like Poland, but even, in principle, states that were part of the Soviet Union itself, like Ukraine.

I see many people citing Robert Kagan’s fine book “The Jungle Grows Back” as a kind of shorthand for the return of this nasty and brutish style of geopolitics that Putin’s invasion manifests. But that picture is incomplete. Because this is not 1945 or 1989. We may be back in the jungle — but today the jungle is wired. It is wired together more intimately than ever before by telecommunications; satellites; trade; the internet; road, rail and air networks; financial markets; and supply chains. So while the drama of war is playing out within the borders of Ukraine, the risks and repercussions of Putin’s invasion are being felt across the globe — even in China, which has good cause to worry about its friend in the Kremlin.

Welcome to World War Wired — the first war in a totally interconnected world. This will be the Cossacks meet the World Wide Web. Like I said, you haven’t been here before.

“It’s been less than 24 hours since Russia invaded Ukraine, yet we already have more information about what’s going on there than we would have in a week during the Iraq war,” wrote Daniel Johnson, who served as an infantry officer and journalist with the U.S. Army in Iraq, in Slate on Thursday afternoon. “What is coming out of Ukraine is simply impossible to produce on such a scale without citizens and soldiers throughout the country having easy access to cellphones, the internet and, by extension, social media apps. A large-scale modern war will be livestreamed, minute by minute, battle by battle, death by death, to the world. What is occurring is already horrific, based on the information released just on the first day.”

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A Ukrainian volunteer paramedic at a base in Pavlograd on Thursday sharing a video of the Ukrainian military using anti-aircraft weapons.
A Ukrainian volunteer paramedic at a base in Pavlograd on Thursday sharing a video of the Ukrainian military using anti-aircraft weapons.Credit...Lynsey Addario for The New York Times
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A woman recording fragments of a downed aircraft in Kyiv on Friday.
A woman recording fragments of a downed aircraft in Kyiv on Friday.Credit...Lynsey Addario for The New York Times
The outcome of this war will depend in large part on the will of the rest of the world to deter and roll back Putin’s blitzkrieg by primarily using economic sanctions and by arming the Ukrainians with antiaircraft and anti-tank weaponry to try to slow his advance. Putin may also be forced to consider the death toll of his own comrades.

Will Putin be brought down by imperial overstretch? It is way too soon to say. But I am reminded these days of what a different warped leader who decided to devour his neighbors in Europe observed. His name was Adolf Hitler, and he said: “The beginning of every war is like opening the door into a dark room. One never knows what is hidden in the darkness.”

In Putin’s case, I find myself asking: Does he know what is hiding in plain sight and not just in the dark? Does he know not only Russia’s strengths in today’s new world but also its weaknesses? Let me enumerate them.

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Russia is in the process of forcibly taking over a free country with a population of 44 million people, which is a little less than one-third the size of Russia’s population. And the majority of these Ukrainians have been struggling to be part of the democratic, free-market West for 30 years and have already forged myriad trade, cultural and internet ties to European Union companies, institutions and media.

We know that Putin has vastly improved Russia’s armed forces, adding everything from hypersonic missile capabilities to advanced cyberwarfare tools. He has the firepower to bring Ukraine to heel. But in this modern era we have never seen an unfree country, Russia, try to rewrite the rules of the international system and take over a free country that is as big as Ukraine — especially when the unfree country, Russia, has an economy that is smaller than that of Texas.

Then think about this: Thanks to rapid globalization, the E.U. is already Ukraine’s biggest trading partner — not Russia. In 2012, Russia was the destination for 25.7 percent of Ukrainian exports, compared with 24.9 percent going to the E.U. Just six years later, after Russia’s brutal seizure of Crimea and support of separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine and Ukraine’s forging of closer ties with the E.U. economically and politically, “Russia’s share of Ukrainian exports had fallen to only 7.7 percent, while the E.U.’s share shot up to 42.6 percent,” according to a recent analysis published by Bruegel.org.

If Putin doesn’t untangle those ties, Ukraine will continue drifting into the arms of the West — and if he does untangle them, he will strangle Ukraine’s economy. And if the E.U. boycotts a Russia-controlled Ukraine, Putin will have to use Russia’s money to keep Ukraine’s economy afloat.

Was that factored into his war plans? It doesn’t seem like it. Or as a retired Russian diplomat in Moscow emailed me: “Tell me how this war ends? Unfortunately, there is no one and nowhere to ask.”

But everyone in Russia will be able to watch. As this war unfolds on TikTok, Facebook, YouTube and Twitter, Putin cannot closet his Russian population — let alone the rest of the world — from the horrific images that will come out of this war as it enters its urban phase. On just the first day of the war, more than 1,300 protesters across Russia, many of them chanting “No to war,” were detained, The Times reported, quoting a rights group. That’s no small number in a country where Putin brooks little dissent.

And who knows how those images will affect Poland, particularly as it gets overrun by Ukrainian refugees. I particularly mention Poland because it is Russia’s key land bridge to Germany and the rest of Western Europe. As strategist Edward Luttwak pointed out on Twitter, if Poland just halts truck and rail traffic from Russia to Germany, “as it should,” it would create immediate havoc for Russia’s economy, because the alternative routes are complicated and need to go through a now very dangerous Ukraine.

Anyone up for an anti-Putin trucker strike to prevent Russian goods going to and through Western Europe by way of Poland? Watch that space. Some super-empowered Polish citizens with a few roadblocks, pickups and smartphones could choke Russia’s whole economy in this wired world.

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This war with no historical parallel won’t be a stress test just for America and its European allies. It’ll also be one for China. Putin has basically thrown down the gauntlet to Beijing: “Are you going to stand with those who want to overturn the American-led order or join the U.S. sheriff’s posse?”

That should not be — but is — a wrenching question for Beijing. “The interests of China and Russia today are not identical,” Nader Mousavizadeh, founder and C.E.O. of the global consulting firm Macro Advisory Partners, told me. “China wants to compete with America in the Super Bowl of economics, innovation and technology — and thinks it can win. Putin is ready to burn down the stadium and kill everyone in it to satisfy his grievances.”

The dilemma for the Chinese, added Mousavizadeh, “is that their preference for the kind of order, stability and globalization that has enabled their economic miracle is in stark tension with their resurgent authoritarianism at home and their ambition to supplant America — either by China’s strength or America’s weakness — as the world’s dominant superpower and rules setter.”

I have little doubt that in his heart China’s president, Xi Jinping, is hoping that Putin gets away with abducting Ukraine and humiliating the U.S. — all the better to soften up the world for his desire to seize Taiwan and fuse it back to the Chinese motherland.

But Xi is nobody’s fool. Here are a couple of other interesting facts from the wired world: First, China’s economy is more dependent on Ukraine than Russia’s. According to Reuters,“China leapfrogged Russia to become Ukraine’s biggest single trading partner in 2019, with overall trade totaling $18.98 billion last year, a nearly 80 percent jump from 2013. … China became the largest importer of Ukrainian barley in the 2020-21 marketing year,” and about 30 percent of all of China’s corn imports last year came from farms in Ukraine.

Second, China overtook the United States as the European Union’s biggest trading partner in 2020, and Beijing cannot afford for the E.U. to be embroiled in conflict with an increasingly aggressive Russia and unstable Putin. China’s stability depends — and the legitimacy of the ruling Communist Party rests — on Xi’s ability to sustain and grow his already massive middle class. And that depends on a stable and growing world economy.

I don’t expect China to impose sanctions on Russia, let alone arm the Ukrainians, like the U.S. and the E.U. All that Beijing has done so far is mumble that Putin’s invasion was “not what we would hope to see” — while quickly implying that Washington was a “culprit” for “fanning up flames” with NATO expansion and its recent warnings of an imminent Russian invasion.

So China is obviously torn, but of the three key superpowers with nuclear weapons — the U.S., China and Russia — China, by what it says or doesn’t say, holds a very big swing vote on whether Putin gets away with his rampage of Ukraine or not.

To lead is to choose, and if China has any pretense of supplanting the U.S. as the world leader, it will have to do more than mumble.

Finally, there is something else Putin will find hiding in plain sight. In today’s interconnected world, a leader’s “sphere of influence” is no longer some entitlement from history and geography, but rather it is something that has to be earned and re-earned every day by inspiring and not compelling others to follow you.

The musician and actress Selena Gomez has twice as many followers on Instagram — over 298 million — as Russia has citizens. Yes, Vladimir, I can hear you laughing from here and echoing Stalin’s quip about the pope: “How many divisions does Selena Gomez have?”

She has none. But she is an influencer with followers, and there are thousands and thousands of Selenas out there on the World Wide Web, including Russian celebrities who are posting on Instagram about their opposition to the war. And while they cannot roll back your tanks, they can make every leader in the West roll up the red carpet to you, so you, and your cronies, can never travel to their countries. You are now officially a global pariah. I hope you like Chinese and North Korean food.

For all these reasons, at this early stage, I will venture only one prediction about Putin: Vladimir, the first day of this war was the best day of the rest of your life. I have no doubt that in the near term, your military will prevail, but in the long run leaders who try to bury the future with the past don’t do well. In the long run, your name will live in infamy.

I know, I know, Vladimir, you don’t care — no more than you care that you started this war in the middle of a raging pandemic. And I have to admit that that is what is most scary about this World War Wired. The long run can be a long way away and the rest of us are not insulated from your madness. That is, I wish that I could blithely predict that Ukraine will be Putin’s Waterloo — and his alone. But I can’t, because in our wired world, what happens in Waterloo doesn’t stay in Waterloo.

Indeed, if you ask me what is the most dangerous aspect of today’s world, I’d say it is the fact that Putin has more unchecked power than any other Russian leader since Stalin. And Xi has more unchecked power than any other Chinese leader since Mao. But in Stalin’s day, his excesses were largely confined to Russia and the borderlands he controlled. And in Mao’s day, China was so isolated, his excesses touched only the Chinese people.

Not anymore — today’s world is resting on two simultaneous extremes: Never have the leaders of two of the three most powerful nuclear nations — Putin and Xi — had more unchecked power and never have more people from one end of the world to the other been wired together with fewer and fewer buffers. So, what those two leaders decide to do with their unchecked power will touch virtually all of us directly or indirectly.

Putin’s invasion of Ukraine is our first real taste of how crazy and unstable this kind of wired world can get. It will not be our last

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #385 on: February 26, 2022, 08:32:19 AM »
The Ukraine War Exposes Russia and China’s Competing Visions for Eurasia
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Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying discusses the Russia-Ukraine crisis during a press conference in Beijing on Feb. 24, 2022.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying discusses Russia-Ukraine tensions during a press conference in Beijing on Feb. 24, 2022.
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China continues to publicly back Russia despite the Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine. But the conflict is exposing Beijing and Moscow’s competing visions for the future of Eurasia, which will continue to stress their relationship. China sees the continental area as a broad corridor of trade routes linking the Pacific and the Atlantic. But Russia’s assertion of its sphere of influence along its western frontier challenges this view by risking a more permanent rift between Moscow and Europe. Talk of new Cold War dynamics undercut China’s ability to create economic and political links across Eurasia through its Belt and Road infrastructure investments.

Cracks in the Foundation

The Chinese Foreign Ministry has refrained from directly criticizing Russia for invading Ukraine. Chinese media coverage has even used some of Russia’s own arguments in downplaying the military intervention. Beijing is also offering Moscow a partial buffer against sanctions through new deals for increased energy trade, expanded agriculture trade, and the likely use of alternatives to the SWIFT international payment system. But while not openly critical, China has refrained from providing active diplomatic support for Russia’s military actions and its recognition of the breakaway republics in eastern Ukraine. Beijing has longstanding ties with Ukraine (including in the defense sector). And Chinese leaders are concerned with the precedent set by Russia of foreign support for breakaway provinces (which, in China’s case, could include places like Xinjiang, Tibet, or even Taiwan).

The mixed reaction from Beijing reflects a deeper unease in its broader relationship with Moscow. While there are several areas of strategic alignment between the two neighbors, including their mutual concern with the United States, there remains an underlying mistrust between them. China is a rising Eurasian power, Russia is declining. That alone creates unevenness in their relationship — one that Moscow resents and Beijing eyes with caution. In the past, China’s economic power complemented Russia’s military and historical power across Central Asia, leaving more room for cooperation than competition. But China’s growing military prowess, and its increasing political influence, challenge Russia’s traditional influence in its near abroad. Moscow may not be able to match China’s economic largess, but it continues to use historical and cultural ties, the Eurasian Economic Union, and its security relationships to try and temper Chinese influence. While Beijing tolerates this, it perpetuates a sense of mistrust.

China’s Focus on Economic Power

At its core, the fundamental difference between the two large neighbors is their differing visions of the future of Eurasia. Russia continues to see itself in light of an embattled Eurasian heartland power, one that needs to build a shell around itself to ensure its strategic security. This is about distinct spheres of influence and a division between Russia and Europe. China, on the other hand, sees the future of Eurasia as a vast corridor of trade — a crisscross of land routes that ease Beijing’s current vulnerability at sea, reorient its underdeveloped interior provinces away from their wealthier coastal neighbors, and enable China to use economic heft as a tool of influence and security across Asia, Europe and even into Africa.


In many ways, China’s vision better matches British geographer Sir Halford J. Mackinder’s concern of the potential power of what he called the World Island. In the early 20th Century, Mackinder saw the potential for modern technology (the railroad) to crisscross and connect Europe, Asia and Africa into a vast supercontinent. A single Eurasian power could then harness the resources and manpower of the three continents, and then turn that combined power out to the seas. Neither Russia, Germany nor the Soviet Union — all prospective Heartland powers — ever linked Eurasia, much less the World Island. This was in part due to cost. But mostly it was because, in the 19th and much of the 20th Century, the expansion of political power was often tied to territorial aggrandizement, and no country or coalition was able to conquer and control Europe and Asia.

In the 21st century, China seeks political power through economic rather than military tools. Beijing does not have to conquer its neighbors or the more distant reaches of Eurasia; it can instead expand its influence through trade, technology, investment and infrastructure development. China, then, is a modern imperial power — one that grows its reach for the most part without needing to grow its physical territory. In the South China Sea, Beijing has used its military as a tool of coercion to back its vast territorial claims and occupy several unoccupied islets. But China has avoided direct military confrontations or the use of military force to seize territory from others in the strategic waterway.


Only in the past 20 years or so has Beijing begun revising its military for the expected future need of operations abroad. Even then, China remains rather conservative in its use of military force as a tool of foreign policy — particularly when compared with its peer great powers Russia and the United States, or even Western European countries like France. Beijing has a grand vision of power and influence, but it seeks to attain it through means shy of war for as long as possible.

Russia’s Focus on Military Power

By comparison, Russia is a holdout of the past, a country that has regularly used its military as a tool of coercion and influence in its near abroad. Russia’s 2008 invasion of Georgia in support of Moscow-inspired secessionist movements was repeated and expanded upon in its 2014 intervention in Ukraine and its annexation of Crimea. And it has been taken to the extreme with Russia’s current invasion of Ukraine, one aimed not at the minimal goals of establishing buffers along the Russian southern front, but of either the “Finlandization” or reassertion of Russian influence and control of Ukraine.

Modern Russia’s use of its military to reshape its near abroad mirrors the actions of the Soviet Union. Russia uses the military as a tool of coercion, to enact a fait accompli (as with its annexation of Crimea) and as a tool of brute force (as with the current invasion of Ukraine) to actively change regimes along its periphery. While China may appreciate Russian actions keeping the United States focused on Europe instead of the Indo-Pacific, Beijing is concerned that Moscow’s actions may re-strengthen Euro-Atlantic ties and fracture China’s ability to keep trade flowing through former Soviet territories into Europe. China’s economic interests across Eurasia will increasingly be put at risk by Russia’s military and political actions that fragment rather than unite the supercontinent.

A Closed vs. Open Eurasia

Chinese rail and road connections to Europe rely on transit through Russia, or key countries in Russia’s near abroad. If Russian actions and Western sanctions and security dynamics lead to even a light version of the old Iron Curtain, China’s economic and political leverage falters, and Beijing will once again be dependent upon the maritime routes that remain vulnerable to U.S. maritime power. Russia may be satisfied as a continental power, but China sees its continental connections as a path toward global power, secure first on land, and then expanding into the seas. The tension between these two visions will strain Beijing’s ties with Moscow as their actions run counter to their interests. China wants to open the space, Russia wants it closed. In short, China’s attempt to bridge Eurasia may be undermined by Russia’s attempt to dig a moat. And at some point, that challenge may prompt Beijing to deem the costs of its continued close cooperation with Moscow outweigh the benefits.


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WSJ: Ukes repel attack on Kyiv
« Reply #388 on: February 26, 2022, 10:03:57 AM »
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Ukrainian Forces Repel Russian Attack on Kyiv, Prepare for Next Assault
Thousands of civilians take up arms to help defend the capital, while Russian forces face fierce resistance throughout Ukraine
Ukrainian soldiers and volunteer fighters held off Russian forces to take control of a highway connecting Ukraine’s capital Kyiv to Lviv in the country’s west on Saturday. CHRISTOPHER OCCHICONE FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
By Yaroslav Trofimov
Updated Feb. 26, 2022 12:57 pm ET


KYIV, Ukraine—Ukrainian forces and thousands of freshly recruited volunteers regained control of Kyiv’s streets after Russian troops and undercover units in civilian clothes tried to enter the city in the early hours of Saturday, while Russian airstrikes, airborne landings and armored advances continued throughout the country.

On the third day of the war that Russian President Vladimir Putin unleashed with the aim of overthrowing Ukraine’s elected government and ending its alignment with the West, Ukrainian forces fought fiercely on all fronts, with each side asserting it had inflicted heavy losses on the other.


President Volodymyr Zelensky recorded a video address from the street outside the presidential headquarters in Kyiv, urging Ukrainians to keep fighting and denying Russian reports that he had called on his forces to lay down arms.

“Truth is on our side. This is our land, our country, our children, and we will keep defending them all,” he said. “Glory to Ukraine.”

A rapid Russian victory in the biggest war in Europe for decades would drastically change the geopolitical balance on the continent, giving Mr. Putin control of strategically vital swaths of the former Soviet Union’s territory and placing Russia’s armies on the doorstep of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

European and U.S. officials are increasingly concerned that Mr. Putin’s broader goal of revising the ending of the Cold War, restoring Moscow’s former sphere of influence in Europe’s east, won’t stop at Ukraine, a fear that could force a rethink of NATO’s military stance and Europe’s energy supplies, which depend in large part on Russia. Mr. Zelensky has constantly reinforced that message, saying that Ukrainians are fighting and dying not just for their own country but for all of Europe.


Traffic jams have choked roads in Kyiv as people try to flee Russia's pressing assault. WSJ's Brett Forrest documented his long car journey out of the Ukrainian capital while traveling to cover the war. Photo: Ethan Swope/Bloomberg News
If fierce Ukrainian resistance leads to a long and bloody war—or forces Mr. Putin to seek to end the fighting without achieving his goals—the setback could threaten both his hold on power in Moscow and his drive to restore Russia as a global power.

Mr. Zelensky, in an address on Saturday, said that Russia has failed in its quest to quickly replace him with a puppet regime and that Ukrainian soldiers were holding the line throughout the country. He called on Ukrainians abroad and foreign volunteers to join the fight. “Everyone who can, come back to defend Ukraine,” Mr. Zelensky said. “All the friends of Ukraine who want to come join us, come here too—we will give you weapons.”


On Friday, the biggest thrust of Russian forces, pouring in from the north, targeted Kyiv, an ancient city that was home to around three million people before Russian bombardments triggered a mass exodus of people toward western Ukraine, which is safer. Many who remained in the city spent the night in bomb shelters and underground subway stations.

Ukrainian civilians fleeing westward have been stuck in long lines of cars near the border with Poland. Many people have abandoned their cars and walked to the border for many hours in chilly weather, carrying children and a few belongings.

Ukraine’s Health Ministry said Saturday that 198 Ukrainian civilians, including three children, had been killed since the Russian invasion began, and 1,115 injured.

“We knew that the night would be difficult because the Russian Federation would use all its resources and reserves to inflict on us maximum damage in the maximum number of locations,” Mr. Zelensky’s adviser, Mykhailo Podolyak, said early Saturday. “Kyiv is their priority number one because the main declared goal of the Russian operation is the annihilation of Ukraine’s political and military leadership. That is why they are pouring the maximum number of Russian troops toward Kyiv.”


Explosions and gunfire rocked Kyiv as Russian troops intensified attacks on Ukraine’s capital. Residential areas were hit and people sought refuge, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called for help from Western leaders. Photo: Oleksandr Ratushniak/AP
A Russian column that attempted to advance from the West, on the highway linking Kyiv to Lviv, was destroyed in nighttime fighting inside Kyiv, witnesses said. Bodies lay on the ground, amid the smoldering remains of armored vehicles and trucks. Presumed Russian infiltrators, traveling in civilian vehicles, were also gunned down by Ukrainian troops as they tried to approach the Ukrainian Parliament building, the witnesses said. Intense firefights were reported in other locations throughout the capital.

After daybreak on Saturday, Ukrainian regular troops and volunteers of the newly formed Territorial Defense force regained the upper hand, erecting roadblocks, firing positions and other fortifications around the city, particularly in the government district and near bridges spanning the Dnipro river. Trucks accompanied by police ferried ammunition as civilians lined up patiently in grocery stores, at pharmacies and teller machines.

A large supermarket on Kyiv’s Antonovycha street was well stocked, with fresh bread, pineapples and Italian cheese, and some of the checkout lanes still accepted Apple Pay. A handful of basement bars reopened as makeshift shelters, serving espressos before the 5 p.m. curfew kicked in. At one bar, customers were asked to show their passports to prove that they weren’t Russian citizens.

The biggest lines in the Ukrainian capital were at the recruitment centers for the Territorial Defense. At one sports facility converted for this purpose, several hundred volunteers, commanded by career military officers, loaded crates of ammunition into civilian vehicles and sped off to their positions.



Outside, hundreds more aspiring recruits, including women, patiently waited their turn in a line that snaked around the building. “I never expected so many would turn up. The whole city has risen up now,” one of the officers at the site said. “A bit too late, but better late than never.”

Concerned about Russian infiltrators and spies, members of the Territorial Defense didn’t allow photography and didn’t provide their names. The volunteers said they had no choice but to fight now that Russian forces were on Kyiv’s doorstep.

“A Russian rocket hit a building near my home this morning. This was the last straw for me, and now it’s time to take up arms. Everyone in this city who wanted to escape has already fled,” said one of the new recruits, a 35-year-old IT specialist.

“There is nowhere to run and no point in hiding. We just have to repel the invaders and send them back where they came from,” said another, a human-resources specialist.



South of Kyiv, Russian airborne troops attempted a landing in the strategic town of Vasylkiv, the location of a Ukrainian military airfield. Firefights broke out during the night but by morning hundreds of Ukrainian troops and irregular volunteers armed with assault rifles patrolled Vasylkiv’s main road. Along the highway running between Kyiv and Odessa near Vasylkiv, security forces and local volunteers wearing armbands were looking for stray Russian troops who might be hiding in the woods.

Ukrainian soldiers said they had driven off most of the Russian landing force in Vasylkiv. Kyiv also said Ukrainian forces had downed a Russian Il-76 transport plane full of airborne troops near Vasylkiv. That claim couldn’t be independently confirmed. In the late morning, contrails of two jet fighters engaging in a dogfight could be seen in the blue skies above the town.

Intense fighting also went on through the night near the southern cities of Odessa, Kherson, Mykolaiv and Mariupol, Mr. Podolyak said.

On Friday, Moscow signaled an openness to talks with Kyiv. But shortly after, Mr. Putin excoriated Mr. Zelensky, calling him a terrorist and urging Ukraine’s military to oust him, dimming prospects for diplomacy.


Russia’s continued bombardment of Ukraine has forced many to make the difficult choice between fleeing the country or staying put. WSJ’s Brett Forrest in Kyiv, which was increasingly targeted, explains how people are weighing their options. Photo: Vadim Ghirda/AP
Mr. Zelensky is expected to speak to several world leaders later on Saturday, Mr. Podolyak said. On Friday, Mr. Zelensky spoke by phone with President Biden. A White House official said the call lasted about 40 minutes.

Mr. Zelensky wrote on Twitter, “Strengthening sanctions, concrete defense assistance and an antiwar coalition have just been discussed with @POTUS.”

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement Saturday that Washington would provide up to $350 million in additional military aid to Ukraine, including “lethal defensive assistance” to help Kyiv resist Russian armored and airborne forces.

Mr. Blinken didn’t say which weapons Washington intended to provide. The U.S. has previously sent Javelin antitank weapons and ammunition, among other battlefield systems. In January, the U.S. also gave approval for Latvia and Lithuania to deliver American-made Stinger antiaircraft missiles to Kyiv.

Mr. Biden authorized the fresh delivery of military aid Friday night and approved up to $250 million for overall assistance to Ukraine. A person familiar with the matter said the administration has asked Congress for $6.4 billion in additional funding for Ukraine aid and defense needs.

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POTP vs. Tucker on Ukraine
« Reply #389 on: February 26, 2022, 10:13:12 AM »
Tucker Carlson says Ukraine is not a democracy. Here are the facts.

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Is Ukraine a democracy? Here are the facts.
In late February, Fox News host Tucker Carlson openly questioned the legitimacy of Ukraine’s political system, openly dismissing its status as a democracy. (Adriana Usero/The Washington Post)
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February 24, 2022 at 1:34 p.m. EST



“You can’t say it enough, Ukraine is not a democracy. … In American terms, you would call Ukraine a tyranny.”

— Fox News host Tucker Carlson, on his show, Feb. 22

Carlson has been channeling many of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s arguments for invading Ukraine, including that Ukraine is not a democracy. Putin has asserted that the 2014 ouster of pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych — what Putin labels a coup d’etat — “did not bring Ukraine any closer to democracy and progress.” He stressed the role of oligarchs and attacks on political opponents and media outlets.

On Wednesday’s show, Carlson expanded on these themes, tossing in another Putin nostrum — that Ukraine is a “client state” of the United States.

“Ukraine, to be technical, is not a democracy,” Carlson said. “Democracies don’t arrest political opponents, and they don’t shut down opposition media, both of which Ukraine has done. And by the way, Ukraine is a pure client state of the United States State Department — again, that’s fine. We are not mad about that, go ahead and run Ukraine if you want, if you think you can do a better job than Ukrainians. Just don’t tell us it’s a democracy.”

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To some extent, whether Ukraine is a democracy is a matter of opinion, so we will not offer a Pinocchio rating. But Carlson — who has expressed admiration for Hungarian President Viktor Orbán and his crackdown on civil liberties — is stacking the deck against Ukraine. It is a fledgling democracy, with significant growing pains, largely the result of Russian pressure and interference in its affairs. It is certainly not “a tyranny.”

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Ukraine has many aspects of a democracy. The president, who is head of state and commander in chief, is chosen by a popular election. The legislature has a mix of single-seat and proportional representation. The prime minister is chosen through a legislative majority and is head of government. The Supreme Court is appointed by the president upon nomination by the Supreme Council of Justice.


“In April 2019 Volodymyr Zelensky was elected president in an election considered free and fair by international and domestic observers,” the State Department said in its 2021 Human Rights report. “In July 2019 the country held early parliamentary elections that observers also considered free and fair.”

But what’s on paper is not necessarily the same as what happens in practice. Ukraine’s constitution, for instance, guarantees the right to peaceful assembly, but there is no law that specifically provides for freedom of assembly.

The country has struggled to build up a lasting democratic infrastructure as it has veered between leaders who lean toward Russia or toward the West. Corruption remains a serious problem that government officials have only halfheartedly addressed.

Zelensky has been engaged in a bitter political feud with the man he defeated in a landslide 2019 election, Petro Poroshenko. Prosecutors have sought to arrest Poroshenko on charges of treason and supporting terrorism, but a court in January said he could await trial while released on his own recognizance. Poroshenko had been accused of facilitating coal purchases for government enterprises from mines under the control of Moscow-backed insurgents in eastern Ukraine, helping finance the militants. He says the charges are politically motivated.


Freedom House, a nonpartisan think tank that ranks democracies, has labeled Ukraine “a transitional or hybrid regime” in one recent report and “partly free” in a second report.

Hungary, Carlson’s fave, is also listed as a “transitional or hybrid regime” and does not rank much higher than Ukraine. Ukraine’s overall Freedom House score, moreover, is higher than that of Mexico and Indonesia, two countries often labeled democracies.

The Economist Intelligence Unit, which in its 2021 Democracy Index listed the United States as a “flawed democracy,” also pegged Ukraine as a “hybrid regime.” Other Eastern European countries in that category included Armenia, Georgia and Bosnia.

Essentially, Ukraine is in the middle of the pack of former Soviet republics. It ranks much higher on the Democracy Index than Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan or Turkmenistan — all considered authoritarian regimes. But it is much lower than Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania — now members of the European Union that are considered full democracies.


“Ukraine has enacted a number of positive reforms since the protest-driven ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych in 2014,” said Freedom House in its 2021 report on worldwide freedoms. “However, corruption remains endemic, and initiatives to combat it are only partially implemented. Attacks against journalists, civil society activists, and members of minority groups are frequent, and police responses are often inadequate.”

Ukraine earned a score of 60 out of 100, down from 62 the year before. “Corruption remains a serious problem, and even the little remaining political will to fight it is eroding, despite strong pressure from civil society,” the report said. (According to Transparency International, Ukraine is the third-most-corrupt country in Europe, after Russia and Azerbaijan.)

In Freedom House’s 2021 report on Nations in Transit, Ukraine’s score was also reduced because of backsliding on the judiciary in the previous year.


“Judicial Framework and Independence rating declined from 2.50 to 2.25 due to court rulings that suspended laws necessary for reforms, discredited progressive public officials, and overturned corruption verdicts; additionally, a constitutional crisis was caused by the judges of the constitutional Court, who abolished asset declarations of public officials while acting with conflicts of interest,” the report said. “As a result, Ukraine’s Democracy Score declined from 3.39 to 3.36” out of a possible score of 7.

“Media in Ukraine remained pluralistic and free from state pressure in 2020. Media outlets are, however, significantly influenced by the financial support and political agendas of their owners,” the report added. “There are positive tendencies in Ukraine’s fight against grand corruption, but also increasing resistance from the judicial branch.”

The State Department human rights report especially faulted unlawful or arbitrary killing by internal security forces. “The government generally failed to take adequate steps to prosecute or punish most officials who committed abuses, resulting in a climate of impunity,” the report said. “Human rights groups and the United Nations noted significant deficiencies in investigations into alleged human rights abuses committed by government security forces.”


The report noted the problem of extrajudicial killings was even worse “in the Russia-instigated and -fueled conflict in the Donbas region” and in Russia-occupied Crimea.

It often takes time for a country to build up democratic institutions, especially if there has not been a long history of rule of law. A key aspect of U.S. foreign policy has been to assist Ukraine in its transition toward a more Western-oriented democracy. In 2020, according to ForeignAssistance.gov, the U.S. government gave Ukraine $160 million to improve governance, including $47 million for judicial development, $25 million for civil society, $18 million for media freedom and $16 million to anti-corruption organizations.

The Bottom Line
Carlson is too quick to dismiss Ukraine as not a democracy, especially given his embrace of Hungary. It is especially rich of Carlson to mimic Putin’s complaints about the state of Ukraine’s democracy, given that Putin runs an authoritarian regime. Putin does not care about democracy; his main complaint is that the current Ukrainian government refuses to be a Russian puppet.

Ukraine is a flawed democracy — though one with aspirations to improve its standing if it is allowed to break free of Russian meddling in its affairs.


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Uh oh. Chechyans getting involved?
« Reply #391 on: February 26, 2022, 05:36:49 PM »

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #393 on: February 27, 2022, 01:03:20 PM »
I could be completely wide of the mark here, but it is not clear to me that Putin is necessarily going to win in the medium to long term.

Interesting.  Hope you're right. 

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #394 on: February 27, 2022, 03:07:00 PM »
It smells to me like has overplayed his hand and begins to sense it.  Because he cannot go home without success, his emotional dynamic will be very susceptible to hard core escalation.

Things could get eyeball to eyeball real quickly , , ,

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #395 on: February 27, 2022, 03:08:12 PM »
May I suggest rereading the first three posts in this thread?  (Yes, from 2008)

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #396 on: February 27, 2022, 03:49:56 PM »
It smells to me like has overplayed his hand and begins to sense it.  Because he cannot go home without success, his emotional dynamic will be very susceptible to hard core escalation.

Things could get eyeball to eyeball real quickly , , ,

Like this:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-lukashenko-says-west-pushing-russia-third-world-war

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Ukraine: Don’t believe the hype!
« Reply #397 on: February 27, 2022, 05:16:52 PM »


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