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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #503 on: June 23, 2020, 10:56:06 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/us/natalie-white-wendys-arson/index.html

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So, to spell it out, Brooks was an ex-con who did time for child endangerment and was on parole so a DUI arrest might have meant him going back to prison, but not to worry, apparently his death was avenged by a white woman he was banging on the side burning down the Wendy's who called the police because he blocked their business's take out lane by passing out drunk in his car.

Do I have this right?

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #504 on: June 24, 2020, 05:01:24 AM »
".Do I have this right?"

Not if you watch CNN who made him out to be father of the year.   :wink:

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Bracken explains it all
« Reply #507 on: June 24, 2020, 11:35:03 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgWthljyGFM

Take the time to watch this. Bracken knows.

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What to make of Boogaloo?
« Reply #508 on: June 25, 2020, 07:07:37 AM »
Here is an article I ran across:

https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/boogaloo-movement-explainer

The future of violent anti-government extremism in the U.S. might be summed up in a single word: Boogaloo.

On June 6th, Air Force Staff Sgt. Steven Carillo was arrested in California in connection to 19 separate felonies, including the alleged murder of a Santa Cruz County sheriff’s deputy and serious wounding of two other law enforcement officers in an ambush attack. Weeks later, prosecutors alleged in Carillo’s indictment that the airman had also orchestrated the fatal shooting of a federal officer and wounding of another at a federal building in Oakland amid unrest sparked by the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis Police. According to prosecutors, Carrillo was motivated to target law enforcement officers with violence because of his connections to the ‘Boogaloo’ movement, an amorphous umbrella of far-right, anti-government extremists who seek to spark a second Civil War by, among other acts, murdering police officers.

Yet Carrillo is not the only military-connected American to fall under the movement’s sway: Shortly before Carrillo was arrested, federal authorities captured three apparent Nevada ‘Boogalooers’ — an Army reservist, a Navy veteran, and an Air Force veteran — ahead of an alleged conspiracy to use the Floyd protests to spark more civil unrest and chaos. Prosecutors allege the trio planned to detonate explosives and booby traps across downtown Las Vegas. The previous March, another Navy veteran was killed in a firefight with FBI agents in Missouri after his attempted arrest on suspicion of plotting a terror attack against a Kansas City-area hospital. While far-right anti-government extremists have for decades recruited from within the ranks of the military and veterans community, the rise of the Boogaloo movement and its recent spate of violent activity seems like something else altogether.

So what is the Boogaloo movement, and how do U.S. service members go from otherwise-upstanding citizens to potential domestic terrorists bent on plunging the country into anarchy? They are the newest of a number of violent far-right groups, with a libertarian bent that is perfectly engineered to attract adherents online, according to three experts, who spoke with Task & Purpose about the rise of the ‘Boogaloo boys’ and what it means for the nation’s military-to-extremist pipeline.

What does ‘Boogaloo’ mean?
The term ‘Boogaloo’ itself comes from the 1984 movie Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo. While the movie itself is instantly forgettable, the term ‘Electric Boogaloo’ became a verbal template for poorly-received sequels and, eventually, evolved online into a byword for a second civil war (‘Civil War II: Electric Boogaloo’) that will be carried out with violence in American streets.

According to Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University San Bernardino, the term ‘Boogaloo’ is now broadly used among a certain subset of far-right extremists to refer to coming violent conflicts, a conflict that so-called ‘Boogaloo boys’ — adherents of the movement frequently identified in crowds by their tactical gear and Hawaiian shirts — are urgently preparing for.

The Boogaloo movement’s particular mantra and symbols are “an extension of far-right white supremacist extermism that has existed for some time, but with a quirky subculture and a contemporary prism,” Levin said. “For some, the ‘Boogaloo’ a race war; for others, it’s a holy war. And that concept’s been a rallying cry within the far-right for decades.”

Members of the Boogaloo movement watch a demonstration near the BOK Center where President Trump held a campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., Saturday, June 20, 2020.
Members of the Boogaloo movement watch a demonstration near the BOK Center where President Trump held a campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., Saturday, June 20, 2020.

(Associated Press/Charlie Riedel)

Indeed, the ‘Boogaloo’ concept, weaponized in meme form and promulgated on Facebook pages and Discord channels, is “quirky enough to promote curiosity at the very least,” Levin says. “It’s not like a swastika or a Klan hood, it doesn’t have that history, but it does appeal to individuals who have certain leanings.”

There are likely “several thousand” individuals who engage with Boogaloo-themed Facebook pages online, according to Devin Burghart, executive director at the Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, although only there are only “a few hundred” at the moment who have participated in protest events over the last six months and self-identified as Boogaloo boys.

When they do show up, it’s “in small numbers, a handful of guys in various different places, normally between two to eight guys at a time,” says Alexander Friedfeld, an investigative researcher at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism. “At this point there are hundreds of Boogaloo pages on Facebook and other social networks, pages with hundreds and thousands of followers, and it’s tough to figure out who these guys are.”

But in light of recent high-profile incidents like the Carrillo case and the Las Vegas plot, the actual size of the movement is irrelevant, says Burghart: “Any time a movement moves from online activity, it becomes important as a public safety threat, no matter the size.”

What do Boogaloo boys believe?
Describing the Boogaloo movement has proven a challenge for researchers. “The Boogaloo is not a monolith,” said Friedfeld, describing it as less a movement and more a broad umbrella term to describe extremists for whom their raison d’etat is to prepare for a future civil war. Boogaloo “means different things to different people.”

“The most popular version is the anti-government version for whom the ‘Boogaloo’ is the moment when the American people rise up against government tyranny and free themselves,” Friedfeld explained. “They believe the federal government is stripping away American rights, and they’re not afraid of violence … they possess a ‘do whatever it takes’ mentality.”

A Boogaloo patch seen worn by members of alt-right militias in the United States in 2020
A Boogaloo patch seen worn by members of alt-right militias in the United States in 2020

(Wikimedia Commons)

While the movement is broad enough to encompass all manner of extremist — hence its occasional association with white supremacists — the most important pillar beyond the belief in an impending civil war is its libertarian anti-government opposition, a trend best captured in Boogaloo adherents’ fervent distaste for red flag laws that allow for the temporary confiscation of firearms, no-knock warrants and, among other things, police brutality, Friedfeld explains.

“The reason you see these guys showing up at George Floyd protests is because they see a common cause with the [Black Lives Matter] movement,” Friedfeld said, referencing the handful of Hawaiian-shirted Boogaloo boys observed at recent rallies.

“There’s even been an effort within the Boogaloo movement to signal that they align with BLM, he added. “They’ve been going to lengths to say that they aren’t white supremacists and that there’s no room for them, but you see people flow between the two.”

"They believe the federal government is stripping away American rights, and they’re not afraid of violence"

The Second Amendment and the American right to bear arms weighs heavily on the Boogaloo movement. But Levin characterizes it as “an insurrectionist view of the Second Amendment that’s heavily supported within the heavily-armed echelons of the movement, both racist and non-racist.” While the Hawaiian shirt may be the primary indicator of a Boogaloo boy, it usually comes accompanied by a full tactical kit and a high-powered rifle.

Categorizations have their limits. The Boogaloo boys are less members of a coherent movement or ideology and more adherents to a “brand,” as Burghart put it.

“They all share the accelerationist ideals of spurring on a second civil war, so they share some crossover with white nationalist, accelerationist types who are looking to start a race war,” Burghart told me. “But by and large, because they don’t have movement figures or anything drafted as a manifesto,” he said, the Boogaloo movement’s ideology is relatively expansive and incomplete.

Indeed, the Boogaloo boys are “a microcosm of an oftentimes diverse and contradictory type of extremism,” as Levin puts it. “They show up in support of protestors. Some people want to kill protestors. Some people just want to maintain order.”

“Let me put it this way: If a muffler backfires, I don’t want to be standing near one.”

What’s behind the current rise of the Boogaloo boys?
Armed members of the Boogaloo movement dressed for the “big luau” in Richmond, Virginia in January 2020.
Armed members of the Boogaloo movement dressed for the “big luau” in Richmond, Virginia in January 2020.

(Flickr/Anthony Crider)

Though Friedfeld and the ADL traced the first use of the term Boogaloo to a 2018 Reddit post, appearances of ‘Boogaloo boys’ on America’s streets is a more recent spectacle.

“Online, it’s a vibrant phenomenon, and the question is what the real-world implications are,” Friedfield explained, giving the example of Aaron Swenson, a 36-year-old Boogaloo boy in Texas who allegedly live-streamed himself in April hunting for a cop to kill.

“Usually it’s a few isolated guys showing up at protests heavily-armed in Hawaiian shirts, but it wasn’t really a real-world phenomenon until about six months ago, when you started to see arrests for violence incidents of plots.”

Burghart traces some of the earliest known Boogaloo sightings to a series of gun rights protests in Virginia in January. “Having been successful at being on the streets in their getups and being heavily armed, that gave a number of other folks who had generally primarily focused on online activism the interest in getting involved in the field,” he said.

Then, the pandemic came. With protestors out in force to rally against government closures, observers began noticing more heavily armed, kitted-out, Hawaiian-shirted Boogaloo boys intermingled with activists and protestors in states like Michigan and Wisconsin, Burghart said, a “key sign that they had moved out of the online realm and into the field, and now we’re starting to see the bitter fruits of that with these Las Vegas arrests and others stretching back to April.”

According to Levin, the broad rise of the Boogaloo movement and the recent spikes in violence are likely triggered by “catalytic events” — the pandemic and resulting lockdowns, the “social reawakening” of the George Floyd protests, and, in turn, the coming 2020 presidential election between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden.

“They possess a cultural view of an attack on tradition and civil order, but it’s taken to an extreme and further amplified by conspiracy theories and echo chambers online,” Levin said.

What does this have to do with U.S. service members and veterans?
In recent decades, the far-right and white supremacist extremist ecosystem has targeted individuals with military experience for recruitment, Levin says. Indeed, a 2008 FBI report found that “white supremacist leaders are making a concerted effort to recruit active-duty soldiers and recent combat veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,” suggesting that most hardcore extremist groups “have some members with military experience, and those with military experience often hold positions of authority within the groups to which they belong.”

“There’s been an active solicitation and recruitment of military members because of their ability to execute and their know-how,” Levin says, noting that Boogaloo extremist groups believe service members “would find their messages appealing.”

But why? Doesn’t the violent overthrow of the U.S. government and the radical execution of law enforcement officials run counter to the oath to uphold the Constitution that most service members hold dear? Of course, says Levin, but one of the most distinctive characteristics of the Boogaloo movement is its “elasticity,” its ability to, bereft of any strict doctrine or ideology, adjust itself to appeal to a broad swath of troubled individuals.

“Whatever ideology can be found within particular malefactors associated with the group, the Boogaloo movement is often seen as a diverse subculture that took off on social media,” Levin says. “It’s not like joining Aryan Nation, a distinct group with chapters … it’s a one-size-fits-all delivery that doesn’t have any symbols associated with it that would be a total [obstacle] for many wobbers on the mainstream and the extreme.”

Related: US troops see white nationalism as bigger threat to us than Afghanistan and Iraq

Beyond direct recruitment, many U.S. service members and veterans may find themselves more likely to be exposed to Boogaloo ideas than other segments of the population. According to Friedfeld, it’s the online overlap between the Boogaloo movement and the firearms and Second Amendment communities that may end up introducing U.S. service members and veterans to the former, even if accidentally.

Service members and veterans “have an interest in firearms, and sometimes you see people end up on these forums, they get in contact with more ideological gun owners,” Friedfeld explained. “There are so many non-ideological gun owners, but the hardcore Second Amendment activists often operate in the same space so you get introduced to the ideas and that leads you to the Boogaloo.”

“You get exposed to those ideas and it starts this drift,” he added. “You end up in a pseudo-pipeline, a ‘drift’ and slowly you get exposed to ideological stuff and you get pulled in.”

Indeed, unlike other extremist groups, the digital origins of the ‘Boogaloo’ meme reveal one of the movement’s most significant features; according to Burghart, adherents to the group’s particular subculture indicate that the group is uniquely “identity conscious and media savvy,” having already transformed itself multiple times in recent months with the same “elasticity” that Levin had previously noted.

“The Boogaloo boys are the tip of the spear of a larger problem of far-right paramilitarism in this country,” Burghart says. “You have a significant militasphere that has a wide size and scope, from the Oath Keepers to the Three Percenters” — two popular far-right militia groups that have gained prominence in recent years — “and the Boogaloo boys are part of this much larger problem of people who are buying into this accelerationist ideology, so far that they’re pulling the rest of the militia types into that direction as revolutionaries and less as reactionaries.”

While the U.S. military has in recent years cracked down on far-right extremism in the ranks, despite a Pentagon official saying in February that membership in a white supremacist or neo-Nazi group won't necessarily get you thrown out. Still, Levin believes that the Defense Department should move to more aggressively combat the flow (or “drift,” as Friedfeld put it) of U.S. service members and veterans towards extremist organizations and networks like the Boogaloo movement.

“We need to have zero tolerance for extremism within the ranks,” Levin says. “We should fortify the military the way we do military installations. We wouldn't let a card-carrying Nazi walk through the gates of Camp Pendleton, but when they do it online it’s a different story.”

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Re: What to make of Boogaloo?
« Reply #510 on: June 25, 2020, 07:52:47 PM »
Let's see, the left is burning down cities but it's the right that's the problem. Of course.


Here is an article I ran across:

https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/boogaloo-movement-explainer

The future of violent anti-government extremism in the U.S. might be summed up in a single word: Boogaloo.

On June 6th, Air Force Staff Sgt. Steven Carillo was arrested in California in connection to 19 separate felonies, including the alleged murder of a Santa Cruz County sheriff’s deputy and serious wounding of two other law enforcement officers in an ambush attack. Weeks later, prosecutors alleged in Carillo’s indictment that the airman had also orchestrated the fatal shooting of a federal officer and wounding of another at a federal building in Oakland amid unrest sparked by the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis Police. According to prosecutors, Carrillo was motivated to target law enforcement officers with violence because of his connections to the ‘Boogaloo’ movement, an amorphous umbrella of far-right, anti-government extremists who seek to spark a second Civil War by, among other acts, murdering police officers.

Yet Carrillo is not the only military-connected American to fall under the movement’s sway: Shortly before Carrillo was arrested, federal authorities captured three apparent Nevada ‘Boogalooers’ — an Army reservist, a Navy veteran, and an Air Force veteran — ahead of an alleged conspiracy to use the Floyd protests to spark more civil unrest and chaos. Prosecutors allege the trio planned to detonate explosives and booby traps across downtown Las Vegas. The previous March, another Navy veteran was killed in a firefight with FBI agents in Missouri after his attempted arrest on suspicion of plotting a terror attack against a Kansas City-area hospital. While far-right anti-government extremists have for decades recruited from within the ranks of the military and veterans community, the rise of the Boogaloo movement and its recent spate of violent activity seems like something else altogether.

So what is the Boogaloo movement, and how do U.S. service members go from otherwise-upstanding citizens to potential domestic terrorists bent on plunging the country into anarchy? They are the newest of a number of violent far-right groups, with a libertarian bent that is perfectly engineered to attract adherents online, according to three experts, who spoke with Task & Purpose about the rise of the ‘Boogaloo boys’ and what it means for the nation’s military-to-extremist pipeline.

What does ‘Boogaloo’ mean?
The term ‘Boogaloo’ itself comes from the 1984 movie Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo. While the movie itself is instantly forgettable, the term ‘Electric Boogaloo’ became a verbal template for poorly-received sequels and, eventually, evolved online into a byword for a second civil war (‘Civil War II: Electric Boogaloo’) that will be carried out with violence in American streets.

According to Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University San Bernardino, the term ‘Boogaloo’ is now broadly used among a certain subset of far-right extremists to refer to coming violent conflicts, a conflict that so-called ‘Boogaloo boys’ — adherents of the movement frequently identified in crowds by their tactical gear and Hawaiian shirts — are urgently preparing for.

The Boogaloo movement’s particular mantra and symbols are “an extension of far-right white supremacist extermism that has existed for some time, but with a quirky subculture and a contemporary prism,” Levin said. “For some, the ‘Boogaloo’ a race war; for others, it’s a holy war. And that concept’s been a rallying cry within the far-right for decades.”

Members of the Boogaloo movement watch a demonstration near the BOK Center where President Trump held a campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., Saturday, June 20, 2020.
Members of the Boogaloo movement watch a demonstration near the BOK Center where President Trump held a campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., Saturday, June 20, 2020.

(Associated Press/Charlie Riedel)

Indeed, the ‘Boogaloo’ concept, weaponized in meme form and promulgated on Facebook pages and Discord channels, is “quirky enough to promote curiosity at the very least,” Levin says. “It’s not like a swastika or a Klan hood, it doesn’t have that history, but it does appeal to individuals who have certain leanings.”

There are likely “several thousand” individuals who engage with Boogaloo-themed Facebook pages online, according to Devin Burghart, executive director at the Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, although only there are only “a few hundred” at the moment who have participated in protest events over the last six months and self-identified as Boogaloo boys.

When they do show up, it’s “in small numbers, a handful of guys in various different places, normally between two to eight guys at a time,” says Alexander Friedfeld, an investigative researcher at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism. “At this point there are hundreds of Boogaloo pages on Facebook and other social networks, pages with hundreds and thousands of followers, and it’s tough to figure out who these guys are.”

But in light of recent high-profile incidents like the Carrillo case and the Las Vegas plot, the actual size of the movement is irrelevant, says Burghart: “Any time a movement moves from online activity, it becomes important as a public safety threat, no matter the size.”

What do Boogaloo boys believe?
Describing the Boogaloo movement has proven a challenge for researchers. “The Boogaloo is not a monolith,” said Friedfeld, describing it as less a movement and more a broad umbrella term to describe extremists for whom their raison d’etat is to prepare for a future civil war. Boogaloo “means different things to different people.”

“The most popular version is the anti-government version for whom the ‘Boogaloo’ is the moment when the American people rise up against government tyranny and free themselves,” Friedfeld explained. “They believe the federal government is stripping away American rights, and they’re not afraid of violence … they possess a ‘do whatever it takes’ mentality.”

A Boogaloo patch seen worn by members of alt-right militias in the United States in 2020
A Boogaloo patch seen worn by members of alt-right militias in the United States in 2020

(Wikimedia Commons)

While the movement is broad enough to encompass all manner of extremist — hence its occasional association with white supremacists — the most important pillar beyond the belief in an impending civil war is its libertarian anti-government opposition, a trend best captured in Boogaloo adherents’ fervent distaste for red flag laws that allow for the temporary confiscation of firearms, no-knock warrants and, among other things, police brutality, Friedfeld explains.

“The reason you see these guys showing up at George Floyd protests is because they see a common cause with the [Black Lives Matter] movement,” Friedfeld said, referencing the handful of Hawaiian-shirted Boogaloo boys observed at recent rallies.

“There’s even been an effort within the Boogaloo movement to signal that they align with BLM, he added. “They’ve been going to lengths to say that they aren’t white supremacists and that there’s no room for them, but you see people flow between the two.”

"They believe the federal government is stripping away American rights, and they’re not afraid of violence"

The Second Amendment and the American right to bear arms weighs heavily on the Boogaloo movement. But Levin characterizes it as “an insurrectionist view of the Second Amendment that’s heavily supported within the heavily-armed echelons of the movement, both racist and non-racist.” While the Hawaiian shirt may be the primary indicator of a Boogaloo boy, it usually comes accompanied by a full tactical kit and a high-powered rifle.

Categorizations have their limits. The Boogaloo boys are less members of a coherent movement or ideology and more adherents to a “brand,” as Burghart put it.

“They all share the accelerationist ideals of spurring on a second civil war, so they share some crossover with white nationalist, accelerationist types who are looking to start a race war,” Burghart told me. “But by and large, because they don’t have movement figures or anything drafted as a manifesto,” he said, the Boogaloo movement’s ideology is relatively expansive and incomplete.

Indeed, the Boogaloo boys are “a microcosm of an oftentimes diverse and contradictory type of extremism,” as Levin puts it. “They show up in support of protestors. Some people want to kill protestors. Some people just want to maintain order.”

“Let me put it this way: If a muffler backfires, I don’t want to be standing near one.”

What’s behind the current rise of the Boogaloo boys?
Armed members of the Boogaloo movement dressed for the “big luau” in Richmond, Virginia in January 2020.
Armed members of the Boogaloo movement dressed for the “big luau” in Richmond, Virginia in January 2020.

(Flickr/Anthony Crider)

Though Friedfeld and the ADL traced the first use of the term Boogaloo to a 2018 Reddit post, appearances of ‘Boogaloo boys’ on America’s streets is a more recent spectacle.

“Online, it’s a vibrant phenomenon, and the question is what the real-world implications are,” Friedfield explained, giving the example of Aaron Swenson, a 36-year-old Boogaloo boy in Texas who allegedly live-streamed himself in April hunting for a cop to kill.

“Usually it’s a few isolated guys showing up at protests heavily-armed in Hawaiian shirts, but it wasn’t really a real-world phenomenon until about six months ago, when you started to see arrests for violence incidents of plots.”

Burghart traces some of the earliest known Boogaloo sightings to a series of gun rights protests in Virginia in January. “Having been successful at being on the streets in their getups and being heavily armed, that gave a number of other folks who had generally primarily focused on online activism the interest in getting involved in the field,” he said.

Then, the pandemic came. With protestors out in force to rally against government closures, observers began noticing more heavily armed, kitted-out, Hawaiian-shirted Boogaloo boys intermingled with activists and protestors in states like Michigan and Wisconsin, Burghart said, a “key sign that they had moved out of the online realm and into the field, and now we’re starting to see the bitter fruits of that with these Las Vegas arrests and others stretching back to April.”

According to Levin, the broad rise of the Boogaloo movement and the recent spikes in violence are likely triggered by “catalytic events” — the pandemic and resulting lockdowns, the “social reawakening” of the George Floyd protests, and, in turn, the coming 2020 presidential election between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden.

“They possess a cultural view of an attack on tradition and civil order, but it’s taken to an extreme and further amplified by conspiracy theories and echo chambers online,” Levin said.

What does this have to do with U.S. service members and veterans?
In recent decades, the far-right and white supremacist extremist ecosystem has targeted individuals with military experience for recruitment, Levin says. Indeed, a 2008 FBI report found that “white supremacist leaders are making a concerted effort to recruit active-duty soldiers and recent combat veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,” suggesting that most hardcore extremist groups “have some members with military experience, and those with military experience often hold positions of authority within the groups to which they belong.”

“There’s been an active solicitation and recruitment of military members because of their ability to execute and their know-how,” Levin says, noting that Boogaloo extremist groups believe service members “would find their messages appealing.”

But why? Doesn’t the violent overthrow of the U.S. government and the radical execution of law enforcement officials run counter to the oath to uphold the Constitution that most service members hold dear? Of course, says Levin, but one of the most distinctive characteristics of the Boogaloo movement is its “elasticity,” its ability to, bereft of any strict doctrine or ideology, adjust itself to appeal to a broad swath of troubled individuals.

“Whatever ideology can be found within particular malefactors associated with the group, the Boogaloo movement is often seen as a diverse subculture that took off on social media,” Levin says. “It’s not like joining Aryan Nation, a distinct group with chapters … it’s a one-size-fits-all delivery that doesn’t have any symbols associated with it that would be a total [obstacle] for many wobbers on the mainstream and the extreme.”

Related: US troops see white nationalism as bigger threat to us than Afghanistan and Iraq

Beyond direct recruitment, many U.S. service members and veterans may find themselves more likely to be exposed to Boogaloo ideas than other segments of the population. According to Friedfeld, it’s the online overlap between the Boogaloo movement and the firearms and Second Amendment communities that may end up introducing U.S. service members and veterans to the former, even if accidentally.

Service members and veterans “have an interest in firearms, and sometimes you see people end up on these forums, they get in contact with more ideological gun owners,” Friedfeld explained. “There are so many non-ideological gun owners, but the hardcore Second Amendment activists often operate in the same space so you get introduced to the ideas and that leads you to the Boogaloo.”

“You get exposed to those ideas and it starts this drift,” he added. “You end up in a pseudo-pipeline, a ‘drift’ and slowly you get exposed to ideological stuff and you get pulled in.”

Indeed, unlike other extremist groups, the digital origins of the ‘Boogaloo’ meme reveal one of the movement’s most significant features; according to Burghart, adherents to the group’s particular subculture indicate that the group is uniquely “identity conscious and media savvy,” having already transformed itself multiple times in recent months with the same “elasticity” that Levin had previously noted.

“The Boogaloo boys are the tip of the spear of a larger problem of far-right paramilitarism in this country,” Burghart says. “You have a significant militasphere that has a wide size and scope, from the Oath Keepers to the Three Percenters” — two popular far-right militia groups that have gained prominence in recent years — “and the Boogaloo boys are part of this much larger problem of people who are buying into this accelerationist ideology, so far that they’re pulling the rest of the militia types into that direction as revolutionaries and less as reactionaries.”

While the U.S. military has in recent years cracked down on far-right extremism in the ranks, despite a Pentagon official saying in February that membership in a white supremacist or neo-Nazi group won't necessarily get you thrown out. Still, Levin believes that the Defense Department should move to more aggressively combat the flow (or “drift,” as Friedfeld put it) of U.S. service members and veterans towards extremist organizations and networks like the Boogaloo movement.

“We need to have zero tolerance for extremism within the ranks,” Levin says. “We should fortify the military the way we do military installations. We wouldn't let a card-carrying Nazi walk through the gates of Camp Pendleton, but when they do it online it’s a different story.”

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Re: Minnesota: Antifa-Muslim groups to replace police?
« Reply #511 on: June 25, 2020, 07:54:56 PM »
Second post:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/06/minnesota-state-rep-antifa-and-muslim-groups-plan-robert-spencer/

No worries, we just need to explain to them the value of the US Constitution and the ideas of America's founders. Problem solved!

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #514 on: June 27, 2020, 06:06:31 AM »
That is what the Bushies the JonahGoldbergs the Noonans Christie Whitmans all believe.



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retirees

on pensions and soc sec - YOUR NEXT - fools -

voting for Biden and calling. yourself not racist and a BLM supporter and a Democrat is not going to save you -

doesn't matter what age race religion sex gay or not -

and all you college kids - don't think you are simply going to get free college paid for - it isn't going to stop there

same goes for those who get health insurance (always to be magically paid by someone else - you do not understand what you are going to be giving up )

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/06/27/blm-protesters-storm-beverly-hills-neighborhood-eat-the-rich/

perhaps that should be Trumps message

along with a bit of more "tender" tone. 

and don't let the slickster biden pretend he is middle of the road or he is going to stop the "March ".
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YES.
« Reply #518 on: June 29, 2020, 10:02:46 AM »
" second post
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/06/feds-bust-black-lives-matter-organizer-give-me-daniel-greenfield/"

EXACTLY

this whole thing is a giant extortion racket

makes the the Italian Mafia shake downs look like child's paly

and Bezos the big tough world's richest man who would not let anyone post of picture of his pecker

caves immediately to BLM etc.

he thinks that will save him , stop the extortion , the shake downs,  the intimidations :

Think again shave ONE:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11983049/protesters-guillotine-outside-bezos-dc-mansion/

and the white kids keep selling out america for college tuition. -  right along with the mobs


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St Louis couple to BLM: Get off of our lawn!
« Reply #520 on: June 29, 2020, 02:38:30 PM »
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/st-louis-couple-defend-their-home-when-protesters-enter-private-neighborhood-video/?

She needs to keep her booger finger off the bang switch until it is time to shoot.  He needs work too, but major props for the will to stand up as a team.  Bet there will be some hot sex tonight!!!

=================

A probably reliable FB friend comments:

oh, the mob and the homeowners share the same political allegiances. The couple issued a statement that they are big time BLM supporters and that they are currently representing a client in a police brutality suit. They maintain they acted lawfully but the Circuit Attorney is looking into ways to prosecute the couple for threatening peaceful protesters. Only several videos, presumably made by the protesters themselves, shows them screaming at couple, calling the woman a bitch, a f****ing c*nt, and threatening to attack her. While the CA has sided with the mob, the police
are investigating it as trespassing and 4th degree assault by intimidation by the demonstrators....
Or something like that.

Edited to add:

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/st-louis-circuit-attorney-statement-protest-central-west-end/63-df7b3e60-1254-44ec-9ef4-bddca1ce771d

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/couple-points-guns-at-protesters-marching-to-st-louis-mayor-s-home-to-demand-resignation/article_9edc57ed-c307-583f-9226-a44ba6ac9c03.html

https://twitter.com/stlcao/status/1277668500027342848?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3y3IS6P5zoghtV3p_US8qfBvwDD0x07IL-zp8ahMuus2zX2yUWV8KsYY8

https://twitter.com/stlcao/status/1277668500027342848?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3y3IS6P5zoghtV3p_US8qfBvwDD0x07IL-zp8ahMuus2zX2yUWV8KsYY8

https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1277438759005491201?s=21&fbclid=IwAR1p12c_qpnfM9mv2yVZer5huNghEB0ByL1u7-u7qCXaU_uTaOca1bipqXQ

https://twitter.com/robertdedwards/status/1277650481645596674?s=21&fbclid=IwAR1-NWM3TpH7RVX2KzOUYZ3t8bb3NJtM0SMUVbD8rOSvVHidOj7bPl1yI58
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BLM is commie
« Reply #522 on: July 02, 2020, 06:46:01 AM »


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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #526 on: July 02, 2020, 03:43:41 PM »
From the convo on the Assn website I can say I agree with your contrary assessment of the Atlanta shooting, but there IMHO is more to it than that.  I like his point that these people have become an amorphous, headless mob and that all this can end very badly for our country.

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #527 on: July 02, 2020, 04:32:25 PM »
From the convo on the Assn website I can say I agree with your contrary assessment of the Atlanta shooting, but there IMHO is more to it than that.  I like his point that these people have become an amorphous, headless mob and that all this can end very badly for our country.

Oh, it's going to end badly. The mistake the left has made is they didn't disarm the American public first. Right now they fell like they can threaten, riot, loot and "cancel" people with impunity. We are not far off from when the public starts cancelling the left kinetically.



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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #529 on: July 02, 2020, 05:01:23 PM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/02/nolte-virginia-democrats-seek-to-reduce-assault-on-cops-to-misdemeanor/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200702

The left: "We are going to defund and demoralize the police, and then send the same police out to take guns away from the American public"!

I'm not sure they have thought this through.

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It works
« Reply #530 on: July 02, 2020, 08:24:26 PM »



Better, more tactical ways to do this.

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #531 on: July 03, 2020, 05:29:35 AM »
"The left: "We are going to defund and demoralize the police, and then send the same police out to take guns away from the American public"!

I'm not sure they have thought this through.
"


   - Slight understatement.

...defund and demoralize [and disarm] the police, and then send the same police out to take guns away from the American public.  Do they ever ask themselves, what could possibly go wrong?

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Re: Not Soy Boys at Stone Mountain
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« Reply #539 on: July 05, 2020, 10:43:04 PM »
The stupidity of the Confederate flag and monuments leads to this.  Nothing here I'd fight for.  I wouldn't want to see Hitler, Goebells, and Himmler carved into a mountain side either.   Net result, what is perceived as "our side" looks weak-- and this includes President Trump for backing the Confederate names of US bases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKWaCdh4DMY&feature=emb_title

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #540 on: July 06, 2020, 05:14:51 AM »
"The stupidity of the Confederate flag and monuments leads to this.  Nothing here I'd fight for.  I wouldn't want to see Hitler, Goebells, and Himmler carved into a mountain side either.   Net result, what is perceived as "our side" looks weak-- and this includes President Trump for backing the Confederate names of US bases."

I remember , as a born and raised Yankee , how I was shocked to see multiple Southern states with confederate flags as part of their state flags.  I don't remember when I learned of this , but I recall thinking the Civil War was over for 150 yrs and blacks are supposed to be free.
I always associated the confederate flag with racism and white supremacy.
No matter how many southerners tried to explain it away as a states right issue.

Obviously I hate the Daily Beast but this rings true:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-wont-stfu-about-confederate-statues-heritage-as-advisers-wonder-is-the-statue-shit-going-to-work

Trump continues to fight the only way he knows how :  bash his head against the wall instead of going around it.

Pray we hold the Senate ...........

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I WAS MISLED BY DAILY BEAST - IGNORE MY POST ABOVE
« Reply #541 on: July 06, 2020, 06:15:29 AM »
I take back what I said above - I SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO LISTEN TO LEFTIST PROPAGANDA LIKE THE DAILY BEAST:

HERE IS LOWRY'S REPORT  OF THE SPEECH AND IT PAINTS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PICTURE:  https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/president-trump-mount-rushmore-speech-distorted-by-media/

The scumbag propagandists completely distorted what he said .



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The New Minutemen
« Reply #543 on: July 07, 2020, 05:40:11 PM »
https://twelveround.com/blog/the-new-minutemen

The New Minutemen
Sunday, July 05, 2020

I took part in a "protest" on July 4th in Westcliffe, CO. They didn't need me. In a town of about 800, I was one of 1000 protesters. This protest replaced the Independence Day parade that was made too difficult to hold due to Covid 19, but everyone knows that Covid is not spread via protest, so it was a protest.



Over the past five years, Westcliffe has held the biggest "open carry" contingent to its 4th of July parade in the state, an aggravating fact to the communists in public office. The protesters fought back and prevailed as did the citizens of Alamosa, a town just over the Sangre de Cristo mountains from Westcliffe. As did citizens in a neighboring county. This is push back and it gives a sense of the power of the people to take back their lives and traditions from those who want to destroy it. But, it does not solve the problem.



There are two waves working their way through America, one is the militant wave, Americans arming themselves, joining local groups, militias or mutual defense organizations. Another wave is building against the woke crowd and the Black Lives Matter organization aligned with Antifa to destabilize America, some say with the assistance of China. Black Lives Matter, being emboldened by their successful actions tearing down statues are revealing themselves as hypocrites and punks, not a Civil Rights advocate, because they never were concerned about George Floyd, he was an excuse, nothing more. Both of these waves are positive, but neither one of them will solve the problem. They will right civil society if given the chance and time, but time is running out.



THE problem is that our elected representatives and senators on every level, our city councils, are infested with the disease of communist principles if not communism itself. They revealed themselves as leaning communist during the pandemic scare and will continue to use these powers on the slightest excuse. Bigger things are planned for the future, even if Antifa and BLM are put back in their small, radical boxes, that does not solve the truly systematic issue of contaminated politics. In Colorado, Lauren Boebert replaced a squishy Republican, Scott Tipton, through the primary process, but as Claire Wolfe noted in Lies of Omission, the average shelf life of a representative in Congress with their ethics in tact is about two weeks.



Solutions, that is what is needed. How do we solve the problems of our several predicaments? First, as a society, we need to recognize the failures of the current government structure.



It is unable to responsibly make and stick to a budget, driving the citizens into debt to numerous other nations, slowly eating away at our solvency and therefore our sovereignty. Any political system that cannot preserve the sovereignty of the nation is a failure. Any political system that destroys the wealth of a nation is a failure.



Through the Permanent Reapportionment Act of 1929, (this was not a Constitutional amendment as it needed to be, but mere legislation) representation has been diminished to the point of non-existence. The Constitution calls for one representative per 30,000 citizens. Due to the Permanent Reapportionment Act of 1929 capping representatives at 435, this representation over time has resulted in one representative per 750,000 citizens. No one is carrying the voice of the particular demographic into the congress, not whites, not blacks, not hispanics, not working class, not middle class, not even upper class, something recognized by the founders as a necessity to proper government, so in effect, there is no representation, just a gathering of power brokers piecing out our nation to the rich and powerful corporations and organizations including the Chinese.



The media is, in effect, the fourth branch of government and is supposed to act as a freelance ethics investigation and oversight board for the people. Any republic requires an accurate or, at least, balanced free flow of information on government activities, or the whole purpose of voting and therefore the authority of the governed is violated. The media now only serves to cover up scandals and ethics violations of one party and demonizing and vilifying the other party. Massive illegality has been totally ignored by those given the greatest voice by the people.



There are few, if any, rights listed in the Bill of Rights that have been secured to the people, a condition upon which the Constitution was ratified, destroying its legitimacy.



What one must agree with at this point is that our government is a failure. It has been unable to stop a list of violations of its charter, the Constitution. We, as the governed, have the right to decide how and by whom we are governed, or we are not free. Our lives are now minutely scrutinized and the power exerted by the several governments designed to protect our freedom, serve only to take bigger and bigger parts of it, demanding more and more of our limited budgets to satisfy their greed. They build monuments to themselves at our expense with the power of the police behind them.



Today, American citizens understand that their governments will offer their lives up as tribute to roving bands of communists out of fear. The whole purpose of a police force is to provide some sense of rule of law, but where that rule of law is excepted to placate powerful mobs, they are a failure. America today is a state run by terrorists either inside or outside of the government and the people are held captive in a prison of their own funding. That statement is particularly stark when one realizes that prison is, at times, their own home. 



This cannot stand. We are Americans and that is distinct from being a citizen of the United States. The United States Government is a political construct, one of our building and one of our consent. When, as Thomas Jefferson noted, that such political construct becomes destructive of the ends of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (I would include property), it can and should be abolished and replaced with a construct that is more likely to protect those values.



The question, then, becomes if we stand, not as U.S. citizens tied to the laws increasingly passed against our lives, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but as Americans determined to defend those values, what construct would we choose?



Now, we have a long way to go to arrive at the necessity of answering that question; we have to stand as Americans to demand that we will not be ruled by communists. We will not be intimidated by roving bands of well-funded mobs pursuing chaos and revolution. We need to do this individually and as groups. A mentality of being a new minuteman must prevail, of engaging threats to lives and property at a minute's notice. There are militias and mutual defense organizations already in place, but they need to proliferate and activate against these threats. This is a reality in Westcliffe and Custer County and why it was featured in this post.



The loyalty of local police departments and sheriff's offices need to be vetted. If their loyalty is to one of the many flawed and corrupted governmental authorities over the lives of the people, they need to be considered hostiles, or otherwise enlisted, asking them to alert the militia or mutual defense organizations when these mobs approach. This has also been implemented in Custer County.



These are some rudimentary things that need to be recognized and implemented immediately in order to preserve our way of life long enough to get to where we can ask some existential questions about the future of America. A future that may or may not include the present construct of states. Once we do put down the rebellion among us and I have no doubt that as Americans we can and will do so, we cannot stop there. We must then ask those existential questions among us and arrive at a new political construct that will benefit life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, securing our property as well.



Remember, there are great and wonderful things about this land, about its people of all races, about its diverse cultures that individually add to the greatness of the whole that cannot, must not, be lost to the desire for control of the individual that communism brings. 



As always, and I hate to do it, but the liberal press is not kind to the message of freedom. Please visit this link.

REBEL. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BFQ48DH

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The long march through the institutions
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Second American Civil War update 7/11/20
« Reply #548 on: July 11, 2020, 05:07:38 PM »

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irrational pessimism or the logical interpretation of events ?
« Reply #549 on: July 11, 2020, 07:20:04 PM »
Kevin makes astute points.

Events certainly do seem to be heading the way he describes

Where do globalists fit in ?
Where do the mega millionaires and the big corporations fit in?  They delicately jump on whatever band wagon they need to so they can reap any profits out of it .

What about the smaller players like the academics, the leftist media types, the DNCers?

Each and every one is jumping on board the same train for now.
They all think their destination is the same ..
But is is not.

Will a strong man emerge ?  Is not  always one, who does so?

Or will we fade and answer to Beijing strongman?