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Mulvany: you can't go on TV and pronounce "they are stealing the election"
« Reply #801 on: November 11, 2020, 06:32:31 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trumps-former-chief-of-staff-on-election-fraud-claims-put-up-or-shut-up-204904614.html

of course that was what the LEFT MSM Democrats did for yrs after 2016 .

it was quite all right then

now doing so is s threat to democracy

and BTW there is plenty of evidence

If we had a team of Independent council lawyers investigate this - far more likely the can turn over every stone and look up everyones rear end and down every polling locations throat
they WILL find enough evidence of mass fraud

but that is not the way it works in a one party America

If Trump says we look like a "banana republic" it is because we are

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #802 on: November 12, 2020, 05:08:43 AM »
The electoral process thread would have been better for that one.

This post from another forum does belong here  :wink: :wink:

The following was sent to me earlier this week and is by John Hurth (a retired SF guy), I think it fits in nicely with ninpo's message hence the inclusion of his earlier post above.

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The 2020 Presidential Election results do not matter anymore.


The 2020 election will be decided in the courts, but even that does not matter. Whether Biden or Trump is the decided winner it won’t stop what is coming. For the last five years, I have been telling people we are in the latent and incipient phase of an insurgency, some have listened and most have not. Many thought I was completely nuts about our country being in an insurgency, some still do, yet here we are.


One political party weaponized the offices of the Govt against another political party, a hostile transfer of power from an outgoing President to an incoming President, an attempted coup conducted by the Democratic Party, US intelligence agencies and DOJ, the media pushing their own political agendas through propaganda, and censorship, the over politicization of a virus, extreme lockdowns that crushed a prosperous economy, Freedom of Speech squashed and censorship by large tech and social media platforms, criminals made into martyrs, Riots in the streets, Looting, Lawlessness, and communities destroyed, defunding LE, Police targeted for assassination, educators corrupting the minds of Americas Youth, and now election tampering.


The election was bound to be compromised and now there are good reasons to believe it has. No matter what happens in the courts neither side will accept the outcome. This is what happens when you have subversives in a nation that hold power and seek more with an abundance of low information voters who can easily be exploited.


But it gets better. The Democrats thought they could use Antifa and BLM for their own political purposes, never realizing those radical Marxist organizations hate Democrats just as much as they hate Republicans. You see, they do not want the United States to even exist in its current form. They are anti-constitution (but will exploit it to get what they want) and anti-American. They want a Marxist government in its stead. Ever wonder why the violence in Portland has not ceased since the end of May. If a Marxist insurgency wins political power, it will happen in Oregon, and Portland specifically. Just remember Democrats, you created them. You Democrats planted the weed in your own garden, watered it, let it grow, and that weed will eventually take over your garden.


So, no matter the outcome of this election, things are only going to get worse. Emotions are running high and logic is nowhere in the equation.


Marxists have no intention of stopping their violence. Criminals will only further exploit the lack of LE on the streets to continue their violent power grabs.


I always hear many “Patriots,” say they are ready to fight. They got their guns, their high-speed gear, they work out daily, and they do their “transition drills” with “lightning speed”, they practice CQB in their house, they get on social media and regurgitate the latest tactical fad, while disparaging others who are not as “fit” as they are or wearing the latest cool guy gear, and this is why they have been caught off guard with everything that has happened around them. Their leadership sucks, their strategy sucks, they are undisciplined, unorganized, and lack the knowledge to effectively do anything. They also completely underestimate their enemy and the environment in this war being waged.


For the most part, the patriot movement has been preparing for a war that is fought in the open, not the clandestine or covert war that is typically fought in insurgencies. If it makes you feel any better even most veterans who have recent experience in Afghanistan and Iraq fail to understand this type of warfare. That is why those wars lasted so long, every day was Groundhog Day for a conventional military rotation. If these veterans did not understand the insurgency they fought over there, how in hell are they going to fight it here. The only real exception is Special Forces Soldiers whose pipeline produce soldiers to conduct Unconventional Warfare. They understand insurgency because their whole pipeline prepares them to conduct an insurgency or fight against one.


The left has mobilized and organized. They have a very robust recruiting operation, they know how to spot, assess, and recruit new members, they understand the importance of OPSEC, their organization is decentralized and cellular, and they learn their lessons relatively quick. They have developed front organizations, safe houses, clandestine communication systems, sanctuary areas to operate from, garnered financial support from domestic private entities as well as foreign entities. Also, they learn from all your tactical gurus on YouTube and watch the same stuff you do.


My advice to you is to get your shit together and stop underestimating the enemy, this is going to be a long fight. There will be no Balkanization, it’s all or nothing in their minds so you better develop the same mindset :wink:
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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #804 on: November 14, 2020, 07:51:37 PM »
Up there with Hunter Thompson-- please post in the Michael Yon and Rants thread as well.

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Remind you of anything?
« Reply #805 on: November 15, 2020, 06:12:12 PM »
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2020/10/suicide-of-the-liberals

SUICIDE OF THE LIBERALS
by Gary Saul Morson
October 2020

Between 1900 and 1917, waves of unprecedented terror struck Russia. Several parties professing incompatible ideologies competed (and cooperated) in causing havoc. Between 1905 and 1907, nearly 4,500 government officials and about as many private individuals were killed or injured. Between 1908 and 1910, authorities recorded 19,957 terrorist acts and revolutionary robberies, doubtless omitting many from remote areas. As the foremost historian of Russian terrorism, Anna Geifman, observes, “Robbery, extortion, and murder became more common than traffic accidents.”

Anyone wearing a uniform was a candidate for a bullet to the head or sulfuric acid to the face. Country estates were burnt down (“rural illuminations”) and businesses were extorted or blown up. Bombs were tossed at random into railroad carriages, restaurants, and theaters. Far from regretting the death and maiming of innocent bystanders, terrorists boasted of killing as many as possible, either because the victims were likely bourgeois or because any murder helped bring down the old order. A group of anarcho-­communists threw bombs laced with nails into a café bustling with two hundred customers in order “to see how the foul bourgeois will squirm in death agony.”

Instead of the pendulum’s swinging back—a metaphor of inevitability that excuses people from taking a stand—the killing grew and grew, both in numbers and in cruelty. Sadism replaced simple killing. As Geifman explains, “The need to inflict pain was transformed from an abnormal irrational compulsion experienced only by unbalanced personalities into a formally verbalized obligation for all committed revolutionaries.” One group threw “traitors” into vats of boiling water. Others were still more inventive. Women torturers were especially admired.

How did educated, liberal society respond to such terrorism? What was the position of the Constitutional Democratic (Kadet) Party and its deputies in the Duma (the parliament set up in 1905)? Though Kadets advocated democratic, constitutional procedures, and did not themselves engage in ­terrorism, they aided the terrorists in any way they could. Kadets collected money for terrorists, turned their homes into safe houses, and called for total amnesty for arrested terrorists who pledged to continue the mayhem. Kadet Party central committee member N. N. Shchepkin declared that the party did not regard terrorists as criminals at all, but as saints and martyrs. The official Kadet paper, Herald of the Party of People’s Freedom, never published an article condemning political assassination. The party leader, Paul Milyukov, declared that “all means are now legitimate . . . and all means should be tried.” When asked to condemn terrorism, another liberal leader in the Duma, Ivan Petrunkevich, famously replied: “Condemn terror? That would be the moral death of the party!”

Not just lawyers, teachers, doctors, and engineers, but even industrialists and bank directors raised money for the terrorists. Doing so signaled advanced opinion and good manners. A quote attributed to Lenin—“When we are ready to kill the capitalists, they will sell us the rope”—would have been more accurately rendered as: “They will buy us the rope and hire us to use it on them.” True to their word, when the Bolsheviks gained control, their organ of terror, the Cheka, “liquidated” members of all opposing parties, beginning with the Kadets. Why didn’t the liberals and businessmen see it coming?

That question has bothered many students of revolutionary movements. Revolutions never succeed without the support of wealthy, liberal, educated society. Yet revolutionaries seldom conceal that their success entails the seizure of all wealth, the suppression of dissenting opinion, and the murder of class enemies. Lenin, after all, was by no means the only bloodthirsty Russian radical. In 1907, Ivan Pavlov—not the Nobel prize–winning scientist, but one of the brightest theoreticians of the especially violent ­Maximalists—published The Purification of Mankind, which divided humanity into ethical races. In this analysis, exploiters, vaguely and broadly identified, constituted a race, “morally inferior to our animal predecessors,” which must be exterminated, children and all, by the morally superior race, whose best members were the terrorists themselves. Remarkably enough, this program evoked no indignation, among other Maximalists or even among other socialists, however moderate. Another prominent Maximalist, M. A. Engel’gardt, argued for a red terror that would kill at least twelve million people. As if anticipating the Khmer Rouge, one anarchist group sought to establish equality by killing all educated people.

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And yet the liberals refused to use their position in the Duma to make constitutionalism work. They would not participate in determining the government budget but confined their activities to denouncing the government and defending terrorists. Even when Pyotr Stolypin, the most capable chief minister ­Nicholas II ever had, offered to enact the entire Kadet program, the Kadets refused to cooperate. Evidently their professed beliefs were less important than their emotional identification with radicalism, of whatever sort.

In one memorable scene, the hero of ­Solzhenitsyn’s novel November 1916, Colonel Vorotyntsev, finds himself at a social gathering principally of Kadet adherents, where everyone repeats the same progressive pieties. He soon grasps that “each of them knew in advance what the others would say, but that it was imperative for them to meet and hear all over again what they collectively knew. They were all overwhelmingly certain that they were right, yet they needed these exchanges to reinforce their certainty.” To his surprise, Vorotyntsev, as if under a spell, finds himself joining in. It requires an effort to remind himself that what these progressives say about “the people,” whom they do not know at all, contradicts everything he has learned from his acquaintance with thousands of common soldiers. When Vorotyntsev ventures the slightest discordant observation, “just . . . one little thing . . . they were all on their guard. They fell silent, as they had been speaking, in unison, and their silence was aimed at the colonel.” He retreats and, as if hypnotized, repeats progressive pieties with the rest.

What is this strange political hypnosis? Vorotyntsev gives ground and holds his peace, “not because he felt he was wrong, but out of fear of saying something reactionary,” a word Solzhenitsyn italicizes to suggest that, in other cultures and periods, a different term of opprobrium will play the same role. Soldiers who are brave under fire cower before progressive opinion. For a long time, Vorotyntsev cannot bring himself to voice counterarguments, “and he despised himself for it. . . . It was a contagious disease—there was no resisting it if you came too close.”

At last, Vorotyntsev finds it in himself to resist. Soon after, he discusses the encounter with Professor Andozerskaya, who explains that she, like professors at many universities today, “must choose every word so carefully.”

In educated Russian society . . . by no means every view may be expressed. A whole school of thought . . . is morally forbidden, not merely in lectures but in private conversation. And the more “liberated” the company, the more heavily this tacit prohibition weighs on it.
One prominent Kadet, Peter Struve, did break with “liberated” opinion. He pointed out the absurdity of liberal intolerance and the suicidal insanity of backing bloodthirsty revolutionaries. After the Bolshevik takeover, he blamed liberals for the disastrous consequences they might have prevented.

Struve was not entirely alone in trying to alert educated society. In 1909, he joined six other thinkers to publish Landmarks: A Collection of Essays on the Russian Intelligentsia. In addition to Alexander Izgoev, another prominent Kadet, the contributors included Nikolai Berdyaev, Sergei Bulgakov, and Semyon Frank, who would reshape Russian Orthodox theology; legal scholar Bogdan Kistyakovsky; and literary critic Mikhail Gershenzon, who edited the volume. One of the most important documents of Russian thought, Landmarks is a must for anyone investigating the mentality of the intelligentsia.

Landmarks caused unprecedented scandal. It went through five editions in about a year, and the fifth included an appendix listing more than two hundred books and articles answering (mostly vilifying) it. If the contributors aimed to promote reasoned dialogue, foster intellectual tolerance, and sway liberal opinion away from automatic radicalism, they failed spectacularly. Most Kadets dissociated themselves from the book, and the party leader Milyukov toured the country to denounce it for betraying the sacred traditions of the Russian intelligentsia. The volume’s unforgivable sin, Frank explained, lay in its

criticism of the basic sacred dogma of the radical intelligentsia—the “mystique” of revolution. This was regarded as an audacious and quite intolerable betrayal of the age-old sacred testament of the Russian intelligentsia, the betrayal of the tradition handed down by the prophets and saints of Russian social thought—Belinsky, Granovsky, Chernyshevsky, Pisarev.
To follow the volume’s argument, one needs to grasp how the contributors used the words “intelligentsia” and “intelligent” (member of the intelligentsia). “Intelligentsia” is a word that originated in Russia, where it was coined about 1860. Used in its strict, proper, or classical sense, it means something entirely different from its English equivalent. To be an intelligent it was by no means sufficient (or even necessary) to be well-educated. And if by “­intellectual” one means a curious person thinking for himself or herself, then intelligent was close to its opposite.

Three characteristics identified a classical intelligent. To begin with, an intelligent identified primarily as an intelligent, rather than by his social class, profession, ethnic group, or other social category. No one would have considered Tolstoy an intelligent, for example, in part because he used his title “Count.”

Unless an intelligent was wealthy or, like Lenin, could become a professional revolutionary living at his party’s expense, he had to work, but as a matter of honor he did not take his profession seriously. As Izgoev remarks,

The average, rank-and-file intelligent usually does not know his job and does not like it. He is a poor teacher, a poor engineer. . . . He regards his profession . . . as a sideline that does not deserve respect. If he is enthusiastic about his profession . . . he can expect the cruelest sarcasm from his friends.
At the extreme, an intelligent followed the prescripts of Sergei Nechaev’s “Catechism of a Revolutionary” and “severed all ties with the civic order,” renouncing family and even his own name. Of course, very few went so far, just as very few medieval Christians became monks, but Nechaev’s prescription remained the ideal—the ideal of what Frank called “the monk-revolutionary.”

The Landmarks contributors mention a second characteristic of intelligents: their devotion to a special set of manners, including dress, hygiene (deliberately poor), hair style (the famous “short-haired lady nihilists”), prescribed and taboo expressions, and a set of sexual practices that the Landmarks contributors describe as puritanical dissoluteness (debauchery practiced as a rite) fueled by “nihilistic moralism.” As Frank observes, the intelligentsia constitute

a separate little world with its own very strong and rigorous traditions, its own etiquette, mores and customs. . . . Nowhere in Russia are there such . . . a clear and strict regulation of life, such ­categorical judgments of people and situations, and such loyalty to the corporate spirit as in this all-Russian spiritual monastery, the Russian­ ­intelligentsia.
There are stories of aristocrats taking lessons in the right kind of bad manners. Kukshina and Sitnikov in Turgenev’s Fathers and Children, and Lebezyatnikov in Dostoevsky’s Crime and Punishment, caricature the type—but not by much.

Most important, and of greatest concern, was how intelligents thought. An intelligent signed on to a set of beliefs regarded as totally certain, scientifically proven, and absolutely obligatory for any moral person. A strict intelligent had to subscribe to some ideology—whether populist, Marxist, or anarchist—that was committed to the total destruction of the existing order and its replacement by a utopia that would, at a stroke, eliminate every human ill. This aspiration was often described as chiliastic (or apocalyptic), and, as has been observed, it is no accident that many of the most influential intelligents, from Chernyshevsky to Stalin, came from clerical families or had studied in seminaries. For Struve, the mentality of the intelligentsia constituted a cruel parody of religion, preserving “the external features of religiosity without its content.”

An intelligent could not be a believer, which is another reason no one would have considered Tolstoy (let alone that conservative Dostoevsky) an intelligent. They accepted atheism on faith, were spiritually devoted to materialism, and proselytized determinism. They based these commitments on “science,” a word they used to mean not a disinterested process of discovery based on experiment and evidence, but—and here the reason became perfectly circular —a metaphysics of materialism and determinism.

Still worse, intelligentsia “science” entailed an assertion that the world worked by blind, purposeless force and yet, as if guided by providence, was guaranteed to progress in human terms and reach moral perfection. (As people say today, the arc of history bends toward justice.) Berdyaev quoted theologian Vladimir Soloviev’s paraphrase of “the intelligentsia syllogism”: “Man is descended from the apes; therefore love one another.” In the same spirit, Bulgakov observed that “the intelligentsia asserts that the personality is wholly a product of the environment, and at the same time suggests to it that it improve its surroundings, like Baron Münchausen pulling himself out of the swamp by his own hair.”

If there was one “philosopheme” (Struve’s term) shared by intelligents it was the assumption that all questions must be judged politically. Thus, one could discredit a scientific theory not by logic or evidence but by calling its implications “reactionary” (“and what don’t we call reactionary!”). The Soviets banned, at one time or another, genetics, relativity, and quantum theory—not on criteria from their respective disciplines, but on the basis of their supposed incompatibility with “dialectical ­materialism.”

Such politicism disparaged philanthropy as “a ­betrayal of all mankind and its eternal salvation for the sake of a few individuals close at hand.” During the famine of 1891–92, when Tolstoy and Chekhov engaged in famine relief, Lenin advocated hoarding food to bring revolution closer (“the worse, the better”).

The Landmarks contributors agreed that individual self-­improvement must accompany political reform. A ­society can be no better morally than its people, and so the intelligentsia needed to cultivate virtues it scorned as bourgeois: responsibility, honesty, good manners, tolerance of diverse views, and the sort of self-­examination necessary for spiritual improvement. In the teeth of intelligentsia prejudice, they recommended religious consciousness as the best path to better morals.

Intelligentsia ethics appalled the Landmarks essayists. If everything is political, then the cruelest means are not only permitted but obligatory. What is more, the very tactics the revolutionaries condemned became acceptable when the revolutionaries themselves used them. The argument that comes naturally to liberal-minded people—what if the shoe were on the other foot?—was rejected in principle. For an intelligent, there is no other foot.

In Solzhenitsyn’s August 1914, when young Veronika criticizes revolutionaries for doing just what they condemn, her intelligentsia aunts are shocked. Why,

the unfeeling girl was equating the oppressors of the people with its liberators, speaking as though they had the same moral rights! . . . Let him [the intelligent] kill. . . . The Party takes all the blame upon itself, so that terror is no longer murder, expropriation is no longer robbery.
Such thinking is a “major convenience,” Gershenzon observed, because “it remove all moral responsibility from the individual.” Writing about a decade after Landmarks, the philosopher Mikhail Bakhtin called such an excuse a spurious “alibi” and insisted: “There is no alibi.”

The intelligentsia constituted one Russian intellectual tradition, the great writers another. “It is remarkable,” Struve commented, “how our national literature remains a preserve the intelligentsia cannot capture.” Gershenzon famously remarked that “in Russia an almost infallible gauge of the strength of an artist’s genius is the extent of his hatred for the intelligentsia.” Russia’s greatest contribution to world culture—the literary tradition of Tolstoy, Turgenev, Dostoevsky, and Chekhov—could not have existed had these writers written to political formula. On the contrary, the Russian novel of ideas critically examined everything the intelligentsia stood for—the simplicity of human psychology, the easy division of people into good and evil, the supposition that life’s meaning is already known, and the reduction of ethics to politics—and showed how mistaken and dangerous such ideologies are.

Intelligents favored other writers, like Chernyshevsky, who pioneered what would become Soviet Socialist realism. When the intelligentsia seized control in 1917, the great literary tradition continued in works written for the drawer, published abroad, and circulated in samizdat. Solzhenitsyn, Vasily Grossman, Boris Pasternak, Mikhail Bulgakov, and Svetlana Alexievich consciously continued the great countertradition of the Russian classics.

Some talented writers, like the satirist Mikhail Saltykov-Shchedrin, tried to have it both ways—or, as Struve observed, they wore the intelligentsia “uniform.” They found creative ways to defend prescribed beliefs, much as some talented Soviet writers struggled to do decades later. By contrast, “Dostoevsky and Tolstoy, each in his own way, tore this uniform off and threw it away.”

Most liberals proudly donned the uniform. This tragedy almost guaranteed the intelligentsia’s eventual seizure of power and the terrible reign that followed. For the Landmarks contributors, liberals’ attachment to illiberal movements derived from a psychological complex favoring conformism.

Though some liberals recognized their differences from the radicals, most acted like intelligentsia wannabes who were unwilling to acknowledge, even to themselves, that their values were essentially different. Socialized to regard anything conservative as reprehensible—and still worse, as a social faux pas—they contrived ways to justify radical intolerance and violence as forced, understandable, and noble. They had to, since the fundamental emotional premise of liberalism—hostility to those ignorant, bigoted, morally depraved people on the right—almost always proved more compelling than professed intellectual ­commitments.

Casting “unworthy, furtive glances at who liked what,” Berdyaev observed, these liberals illustrated how “moral cowardice develops, while love of truth and intellectual daring are extinguished.” Captivated by public opinion, they signed petitions they did not agree with and excused heinous acts, always observing the rule: Better to side with people a mile to one’s left than be associated with anyone an inch to one’s right. Educated society knew that one could not just abolish the police, as the anarchists demanded, and that socialism would not instantly cure all ills, but they assured themselves that progressive opinion must be right:

Could its validity be doubted, when it was accepted by all progressive minds? . . . Only people with an exceptionally strong spirit could resist the hypnosis of a common faith. . . . Tolstoy resisted, and so did Dostoevsky, but the average person, even if he did not believe, dared not admit it.
The Landmarks contributors aimed to change Russia so that, like England, it would have educated people but not an intelligentsia. They warned, as Dostoevsky had in The Possessed, that to the extent that a society’s educated class comes to resemble an intelligentsia in the Russian sense, it is headed for what we now call totalitarianism—unless others muster the strength to resist it.

One sometimes hears that “the pendulum is bound to swing back.” But how does one know there is a pendulum at all, rather than—let us say—a snowball accelerating downhill? It is unwise to comfort oneself with metaphors. When a party is willing to push its power as far as it can go, it will keep going until it meets sufficient opposition. In the French Revolution, terror was eventually stopped by “Thermidor,” and then by Napoleon. But in Russia, Stalin proclaimed “the intensification of the class struggle” after the Revolution, entailing an unending series of arrests, executions, and sentences to the Gulag. What meets no resistance does not stop.

Gary Saul Morson is Lawrence B. Dumas Professor of the Arts and Humanities at Northwestern University.

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #806 on: November 16, 2020, 04:46:19 AM »
couldn't happen here.


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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #807 on: November 16, 2020, 06:39:09 AM »
couldn't happen here.

Famous line from inside Venezuela.  They were the richest country in Latin America.  "It can't happen here."

But it did.

Once the people who are willing to cheat control the elections, it's over.

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #808 on: November 16, 2020, 03:35:30 PM »
The Morson article was well written.

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #809 on: November 16, 2020, 05:17:03 PM »
The Morson article was well written.

Yes it was.

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players feel they should be able to voice their political positions
« Reply #810 on: November 18, 2020, 05:54:29 AM »
but pro Trump owners must shut up

or they leave the team

https://www.westernjournal.com/two-nbas-biggest-superstars-want-trades-team-owners-trump-connection-report/

they can shove their b balls you know where as far as I am concerned

 


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second post today from American Thinker on socialism in the US
« Reply #811 on: November 18, 2020, 06:48:34 AM »
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/news_flash_most_republicans_are_socialists_too.html

"Since most Republican elites are not trustworthy right, but center-left, even if the Democrats lose this time, they will eventually get their way, as our bipartisan system has a predominantly left-wing gradient.  To stop socialist inclinations, the Republican Party must be transformed into at least a center-right party, or there should be a brand-new right-wing party."

"In contrast, evolutionary socialism, as the name implies, chose the gradual evolutionary path.  Evolutionary socialism was designed to be invisible and gradually worked within the framework of democratic institutions."

 "Socialists were able to bring in pieces of socialism and reform the country's laws because the U.S. has lacked a robust right-wing party."

I would add that by its very nature leftist socialists can be very unified and strong in their political endeavors by their very nature -

they are collectivists to start with

AND  true Republicans who  are individualistic and promote freedom as in the Constitution - are as a group mostly fragmented and not
unified and strong

as well as the "RINO elites seem to care more about themselves then the ideals of real US right wing freedom lovers
case in point the never Trumpers .

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Second American Civil War, This just got personal
« Reply #812 on: November 18, 2020, 08:43:30 AM »
https://www.startribune.com/new-bar-restaurant-and-gym-restrictions-expected-in-minn/573107051/?refresh=true

I have given DFL (Dem) Governor Tim Walz (MN) the benefit of the doubt long enough.  If he closes indoor tennis and hockey in Minnesota, this is it.

RESIST.


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Thanks Joe
« Reply #817 on: November 21, 2020, 05:28:55 PM »


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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #821 on: November 21, 2020, 08:25:27 PM »
Warms the heart!

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Re: Second American Civil War
« Reply #822 on: November 21, 2020, 08:34:41 PM »
Warms the heart!

Old and busted: Deplorables

Hot and fresh: Uncontrollables

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPWYcjypSWo

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Re: Second American Civil War
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Color Revolutions and the Second American Civil War
« Reply #825 on: November 24, 2020, 12:48:25 PM »
All, this is an article about Color Revolutions by one who was involved in the Romanian Revolution.

https://www.spartareport.com/2020/11/color-revolutions-a-primer/

Color Revolutions – A Primer


Hi all. As many of you know, I am an immigrant from Romania. (Yes, I did it legally.) I participated in the Color Revolution in Romania when I was 24 years old. So I feel I can report about Color Revolutions with some degree of authority.

Here in America, we are now living in the incipient phases of a Color Revolution.

Color Revolution movements are fueled primarily by a stolen election. It is always the representative of the oligarchy who is declared the winner to the detriment of the rightful winner of the election and it is always the propaganda arm of the oligarchy that pushes this narrative.

I have always maintained that Color Revolutions can be long or short lived depending on the outcome of the contested elections. However, no matter the final result, or who will “officially” occupy the seat of power, Color Revolutions evolve into a protest against the status quo that allowed the fraud to take place.

I also said that Color Revolutions start as a cry of the masses to which the classical politicians adhere very late and only because they want to preserve themselves.

Let’s see what we have experienced so far.

A popular president, with high approval ratings, is defeated through massive fraud by the representative of the oligarchy with the consent of important segments of the state.

(I speak without a doubt about the FBI, the DOJ, the Democrat Party leadership, the media, and possibly some elements from inside the GOP being involved. We can also speculate, because we have no definitive proof, that foreign actors might have been involved as well.)

Like in any Color Revolution, the party/candidate that was robbed of the victory does not recognize this loss as legitimate and a large part of his base agrees with him and it is furious. However, the base is still debating about the course of the action. Some still have faith in the system, some are ready to give up and others, while angry, have the lucidity to look forward.

I will also add that looking ahead, we need to understand that if we want to have a chance of taking this country back, we will have to look at a long battle, and not one that will end in a few weeks or months. We need to learn from the mistakes of the past and act accordingly.

The United States experienced a proto Color Revolution in the past. I speak about the Tea Party movement.

Let us remember how and why the Tea Party movement started. It began from the frustration with the authoritarianism and corruption of the Obama administration, and with the inaction of the GOP. Moreover, the Tea Party was formed by several groups around the country with loose connections among themselves, that did not have a central leadership or a final objective. That made the Tea Party movement an easy prey for venal politicians who rode the wave of popular discontent to their own benefit without understanding what the movement was about.

Paul Ryan is probably the poster boy for such a politician. He managed to say the right words, he put himself on the map, became the VP candidate, and then the Speaker of the House. However, he was an absolute failure both as a candidate and as the Speaker. I have no doubt that as we speak, there are already similar politicians ready to jump into the frame and ride this wave of discontent when the moment will be right.

However, this time the situation is different.

The movement already has a leader, President Trump. It also has an agenda, a goal: that of the restauration of America the Free, America the Great. It is a nationalist movement first, and only secondary, a center right/conservative movement.

It is not a right/left movement because it brings together disfranchised conservative, upset old time Republicans and the Democrats who left their party in disgust of their policies. It is a diverse movement that has whites, Hispanics, blacks, Christians, orthodox Jews and Muslims.

The movement is mainly a working class and low middle class movement. At it’s basic premise, this movement is angry at the status quo that allowed this miscarriage of democracy to take place.

The movement has very little in common with the GOP base of the Bush era: the suburbs and the upper middle class. The Bush GOP base is right now strongly in the Democrat camp. It is a population segment more preoccupied by virtue signaling and keeping up with the fashions than with the future of the country, and that is as disconnected by the problems of the general populations as were the European aristocrats pre 1848.

The Bush GOP might not like the authoritarian strikes of the Left but they cannot bring themselves to mix with the unwashed and unculturated masses.

Where are we going? To a turbulent time.

The Biden/Harris Administration will be an Obama third term. It will be authoritarian, cosmopolitan, and catering to the oligarchy interests. It will be a corrupt administration that will put everybody’s interests above those of the United States and it will be an administration that will engage in ill fated military expeditions around the world.

What can we do?

It will take some time for the scattered MAGA army to get its footing. We will probably have to start organizing ourselves, petition and picket the offices of the useless GOP representatives and state legislators and get ready to start massive protests all over the country.

Like always, the GOP will join us when it sees that their appeasement policy puts them in danger.

I expect that the House GOP will be more in tune with this Color Revolution than the Senate. I also expect that elements of the GOP will try hard to sideline President Trump.

There are already critters in the GOP who mulling over the idea of a 2024 presidential run. There are already people inside the GOP who want to return to the “compassionate conservatism” of the Bush era. We need to yank these people away from any cooperation with an illegitimate administration.

We need to be ready for action because the time of mass protests might come sooner than we expect.

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Do what you are told, serfs!
« Reply #826 on: November 25, 2020, 05:26:28 PM »
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/391432.php

Pay no mind to what your betters do!

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Something to hide
« Reply #829 on: November 30, 2020, 02:40:04 PM »

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The rules don't apply to the "elites"
« Reply #831 on: December 01, 2020, 08:43:20 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/not-just-newsom-san-francisco-san-jose-mayors-busted-violating-own-covid-guidelines

Better than you.

The rules only apply to the dirt people. The cloud people live above them.

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Rules for thee, not for me!
« Reply #832 on: December 02, 2020, 06:23:27 PM »

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Re: Rules for thee, not for me!
« Reply #833 on: December 02, 2020, 08:49:24 PM »
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/391527.php

Better than you.

From Steve Moore newsletter:
…the hypocrisy count keeps on rising.

You know about Nancy Pelosi's hair salon and Gavin Newson's $350 per plate dinner at the French Laundry. And yesterday we told you about L.A. County Supervisor Sheila Kuehl enjoying an outdoor meal just hours after voting to ban outdoor dining.

Now we can add two more to the list. San Jose Mayor Sam Licardo violated the ban on Thanksgiving by attending a multi-family meal at his parents' home — the horror!

AND San Francisco Mayor London Breed went to a swanky birthday party at the French Laundry just a day after the governor was there — just three days before she ordered all indoor dining closed.

At this point, it might be more newsworthy to find a California pol who actually DOES follow all of their own lockdown dictates!

Wouldn't it be nice if just one of these public official hypocrites would apologize not for their transgressions but for the crazy orders??? Or better yet: rescind all orders that they themselves won’t comply with.
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It's never been a secret that the climate activists fly by private jets to their conferences.

On the Left, hypocrisy is the rule, not the exception.
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going after Trump and family
« Reply #835 on: December 03, 2020, 03:35:31 PM »
till the end of time

this is not "deep state"
just the Dem party
they will keep after the family

to harass them in attempt to keep him from running in '24
as well as simple revenge in MHO:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/lock-her-why-ivanka-trump-172006061.html

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Re: going after Trump and family
« Reply #836 on: December 03, 2020, 04:46:43 PM »
It's not just Trump, it's ALL of us.


till the end of time

this is not "deep state"
just the Dem party
they will keep after the family

to harass them in attempt to keep him from running in '24
as well as simple revenge in MHO:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/lock-her-why-ivanka-trump-172006061.html

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does the Rubicon still exist today?
« Reply #839 on: December 07, 2020, 10:19:52 AM »
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Rubicon-river-that-Julius-Caesar-crossed-still-exist-Where-is-its-location

not clear

I mistook the Rubicon river story for this other river Caesar crossed:

https://www.unrv.com/julius-caesar/crossing-the-rhine.php

nonetheless , back to the main point at hand , yes
the die IS cast in 2020.

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A lesson from elsewhere...
« Reply #841 on: December 08, 2020, 07:05:46 PM »


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Mi. State representative from you guessed it -> Detroit
« Reply #843 on: December 10, 2020, 07:16:18 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_A._Johnson

I think the repubs are in charge of Michigan House:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_House_of_Representatives

if she were in the US Congress she would be promoted to committees including intelligence

she would be getting holiday gifts from the SQUAD


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Ramping up
« Reply #845 on: December 10, 2020, 11:16:36 PM »

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Gardner thrown off McCloskey case by judge
« Reply #847 on: December 11, 2020, 07:29:23 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/12/11/theres-been-a-huge-development-in-the-mccloskey-case-n1204512

a glimmer of hope that libs can't hide behind the abuse of laws to shove their shit down our throats.

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Dem Congressman calls for refusing to seat 126 Reps
« Reply #848 on: December 12, 2020, 12:12:43 PM »
New Jersey Congressman Bill Pascrell has called on Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi to refuse to seat 126 Republicans who signed on to a Texas lawsuit aimed at throwing out election results in four states that backed President-elect Joe Biden.

The Supreme Court declined to hear the case in a short, unsigned statement on Friday evening but by that time 126 GOP members of the House had joined an amicus brief in support of the suit.

Pascrell, a Democrat who represents New Jersey's 9th congressional district, invoked Reconstruction Era "safeguards to cleanse from our government ranks any traitors and others that would destroy the union."
"I'm demanding that the 126 Republicans who have endorsed a malignant lawsuit to overturn the will of the people and undermine our democracy not be seated in Congress," Pascrell tweeted on Friday.

In a letter to Pelosi, Pascrell cited Article 1, Section 5 of the Constitution which "gives each chamber of Congress the ultimate authority to decide their membership."

He also invoked the 14th Amendment, passed in the wake of Southern secession and the Civil War. Section 3 of the amendment forbids anyone from holding office in federal or state government who "having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

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Standards
« Reply #849 on: December 12, 2020, 04:55:33 PM »