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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2018, 01:06:58 PM »
So many think that just because they had won a badge, think they're capable of actually going into armed combat.

The majority of them aren't.

No more gun laws. People just ignore them and rightfully so. There's no such thing as a sheep dog. Just sheep and wolves. Been saying that a long time.

US cops confront and arrest armed criminals on a constant basis and usually win most every gunfight.

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2018, 04:57:19 PM »
So many think that just because they had won a badge, think they're capable of actually going into armed combat.

The majority of them aren't.

No more gun laws. People just ignore them and rightfully so. There's no such thing as a sheep dog. Just sheep and wolves. Been saying that a long time.

US cops confront and arrest armed criminals on a constant basis and usually win most every gunfight.

No disrespect. It's still true what I have stated. Confronting armed people and engaging in combat with them are two different things.

Also... The US and other countries are apples and oranges. US criminals are soft. They don't target families or use other tactics, like beheading police and politicians, that tend to make most people's balls shrivel up... I know...because the first time my brothers' heads were cut off.... I almost quit...or bitched out... Truth. How many people are going to continue when they start losing family members?

No disrespect.... But US police know almost nothing about this, because the US is rich and has been stable for a long time.

Also.... There are tons of people that have deployed...come back and join the force... But often times, weren't doing anything other than guarding fuel convoys, standing on a tarmac 6000 miles away or swabbing deck.... Not being disrespectful... It's just the truth...and many of them not once engaged in combat.

The more active shooter situations happen, think the cartel Hitman that took out two or three officers in one sitting not long ago California (and some of them were vets)... Dallas....etc.... I'm not reveling in anything.... My point is only that gun laws are garbage.... They'll certainly never affect t me, even though you and others think they should.  My concern is that you law abiders take away your own weapons, little by little, as you're currently doing on Cali....and I've seen DB member officers support it here.... Buying kits for their AR's....what a f ing joke...

The world isn't safe. Nothing anyone can do can make it that way.

I care more about protecting me than anyone else.... Same goes for you.

Employing subpar people and giving them a badge, making them think they know something about something they've never been in, and then asking others to depend on that for their own survival, isn't a smart move.

Police have been heralded as heroes for the mere act of putting on a badge, when in fact,almost none are. So many join for the benefits or to maintain a sense of personal power that gives meaning to their own lives.

It's an important discussion to have, because the future isn't clear in the States due to the massive schism that has occurred. We should do away with most of the laws.ots a corrupt temple that doesn't work. I don't respect it...and unlike the me of a decade ago... I now have the room to speak to both sides of the argument. The laws are ineffective, which even you have to admit....and there is nothing you can do to enforce them, nor can anyone save the life of even a single person, of a person is willing to go far enough to kill them.... In fact.... You couldn't even save your own life, nor could I even save mine if someone were committed enough, but we're going to legislate and depend on other humans? We're kind of experts on that subject in Mexico.  

The funny thing about really confronting killers.... you have to be one too...or willing to die.... goes back to the same percentage reasons  that we use human silhouettes in training.... most people just arent capable of protecting people when it comes down to it.... Have fun. Let me know how that works.

Peace on Earth, good will towards men . I mean it.
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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2018, 06:25:07 PM »
well if police with training are not prepared for arm combat then does any really think a school teacher is ready to kill or be prepared to use a gun in the face of danger with little to no notice

unless your this fantasy from hollywood:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Substitute


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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2018, 07:28:35 PM »
Why don't the cartels own large swaths of the US, like they do in Mexico?

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2018, 11:30:07 PM »
well if police with training are not prepared for arm combat then does any really think a school teacher is ready to kill or be prepared to use a gun in the face of danger with little to no notice

unless your this fantasy from hollywood:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Substitute


No fantasies. You make a damn good point.  My primary point is against legislation.

Why don't the cartels own large swaths of the US, like they do in Mexico?

In short? Capitalism. PRD and PRI are both socialist organizations. That's why.
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« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2018, 11:36:28 PM »
PS... I actually do hold police in very high regard. I should be clear about that. At least they go out and put their asses on the line to make the world a better place. Most people can't say that. Just to be clear.


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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2018, 04:42:24 AM »
The Parkland police (or Broward County sherriffs)   seem to have reacted in a way that makes sense in a hostage situation but not a situation where children are already being murdered for 6 minutes.

There may have been cold and plain cowardice involved, but it sounds like at least some officers were trained to cordon off an area where there is shooting and wait for plenty of backup or a swat team.
We saw the reports of a police chief giving orders to "set perimeter".  And this  Israel guy is obnoxious only concerned for himself.  He absolutely should be taking some responsibility since so many officers seemed to just wait outside and not enter the building .  Hard to say that is just one officer's not stepping up to the life threatening challenge.  It sounds like they are trained to set a perimeter and wait for swat to come in, but ,
 no matter how fast swat is in arriving on the scene  it will still  to be  too late to save lives.  

(Even in the Hollywood movies once the hostage taker starts shooting the officers go in....   )

I also don't understand this thing about officers doing loads of overtime for the last year or two before they retire, and suddenly they qualify  for higher  pension.
The officer (Scot Peterson)   who for whatever reason did not go into the school during his  career "moment of truth", and then was forced to resign with a higher pension for doing 50% more overtime is taking advantage of an absurd situation that allows that.

And off topic, but mentioned as I bring up the pensions being based on very end of career overtime I ask the following:
And how many officers claim disability for typical break down from aging.  It is one thing if they are shot or seriously injured in the line of duty but most of the claims are not that.
Of course your Goddamn back is not the same at 50 or older as it was when you were 20.  So freakin what.
(OTOH a good portion of citizen disability claims are exaggerations or even outright fraud too. It ain't just police by any means)

Why are not police offered *private disability insurance* that they pay for out of their wages like in private sector for a nominal and reasonable fee?

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2018, 05:17:13 AM »
Ever since Columbine, nationwide the response to an active shooter is to rapidly move to the gunfire and engage the shooter, not to set up a perimeter and wait for SWAT.

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2018, 05:37:50 AM »
" Ever since Columbine, nationwide the response to an active shooter is to rapidly move to the gunfire and engage the shooter, not to set up a perimeter and wait for SWAT. "

Thank you GM

What is your professional opinion based on the news reports. 

Was it cowardice?

Was it confusion on what to do, do to the suddenness of it all?

Was it poor leadership and or guidelines?

Or combinations ?

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« Reply #60 on: March 11, 2018, 06:30:56 AM »
A mix of cowardice and ineptitude as far as Broward County S.O. Is concerned. Their Sheriff is the embodiment of the progressive lefty dem law enforcement executive. A growing plague in this country.

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #61 on: March 11, 2018, 10:16:35 AM »
Any comments on the article I posted a few entries above about the South Carolina shooter?

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2018, 12:56:23 PM »
Any comments on the article I posted a few entries above about the South Carolina shooter?


1. The MSM helps fuel the pathology by making the killers famous.

2. Per the media, the real villain is of course, guns.

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« Reply #63 on: March 11, 2018, 02:02:27 PM »
Apart from encouraging a media cultural standard of not giving fame, what to do, and who should do it, to prevent this sort of thing?

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« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2018, 02:31:46 PM »
Apart from encouraging a media cultural standard of not giving fame, what to do, and who should do it, to prevent this sort of thing?

Local law enforcement can intervene if notified by those who know the potential violent actors.

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2018, 08:51:12 AM »
yet he retires with pension

someone on Ingram was explaining how FBI agents retire with the highest benefits of anyone .  McCabe if proven he lied might be a candidate to be fired

But for other FBI violations it is about impossible to prevent them from pension and benefits.

Something just is not right about this.

I understand if some one makes a mistake in judgement etc but simply not going in to protect children who are being murdered?


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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2018, 08:55:48 AM »
yet he retires with pension

someone on Ingram was explaining how FBI agents retire with the highest benefits of anyone .  McCabe if proven he lied might be a candidate to be fired

But for other FBI violations it is about impossible to prevent them from pension and benefits.

Something just is not right about this.

I understand if some one makes a mistake in judgement etc but simply not going in to protect children who are being murdered?



The deep state protects it’s own.

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Re: Parkland-- be careful what you ask for.
« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2018, 09:26:48 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/01/us/parkland-florida-students-return-school/index.html

"It feels like being punished," Robinson told CNN. "It feels like jail, being checked every time we go to school."

*Yes, it sucks when you lose your freedoms even though you did nothing wrong.

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« Reply #71 on: April 06, 2018, 02:15:59 AM »
"So many think that just because they had won a badge, think they're capable of actually going into armed combat."

To expand on that comment: The disposition to act to counter violence is independent of military service or service with a police force.  Generally the military in particular and police forces as well should select for this trait, but many times a person won't really know how they will react until they have been through a violent encounter.  Beyond the disposition to act to counter violence, there is the matter of training.  All to often people in law enforcement receive only limited active firearms training (something other than shooting a paper target a few times a year on a square range).  When selecting school resource officers, it is imperative that people with the demonstrated independence, gumption, and training to engage to prevent violence are given priority over people who've otherwise had limited experience with violence/counter violence.  I include independence here because in an active shooting situation, the response must be immediate and direct, and calls on a radio to form a perimeter must be disregarded or the cost is sure to be higher.

Picking up again on the first point, that the disposition to act to counter violence is independent of military service or police services, there is a prevailing narrative in civic discourse that private citizens including teachers couldn't possibly rise to the needs of countering an active shooter, or that if they were to act, they would make things worse.  This is a terribly mistaken notion, and to the degree it is given place it serves to make us less safe.  There are private citizens who through personal experience, martial arts, or other training have become well acquainted with the physical and mental demands of applying force to counter violence.  Some know how to identify the proper moment to act, how they react physically to the adrenaline and stress, how to meaningfully apply force to curtail violence.  To leave such persons disarmed out of prejudice or ignorance is to leave untapped a vast resource for public security that can not be purchased at any level of law enforcement funding.  Further, even without this level of personal training, a good hearted person with a the means to counter violence vis-a-vis a gun still has the potential when faced with immediate violence to provide a better outcome with minimal training than if they were unarmed and violence were unchecked.  A lot of media and politicians like to caution about collateral damage without having meaningful study or data to corroborate their concerns, while we do have considerable data to show that without an immediate means of self defense, the worst possible outcomes are generally guaranteed.

The bottom line is that no provision for defense against violence can be more relevant than self defense provided at the point of impact.  Everything else tends to take too long in the case of mass shootings.  Prejudices about who should and should not be able to provide this point defense, laws predicated upon these prejudices, and cultural mores aligned with these prejudices are a major factor limited our society's ability to effectively address these rapid and dynamic sprees of violence. 



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« Reply #72 on: April 06, 2018, 11:37:39 AM »
Very good post Cruces.

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School shootings / Safety
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« Reply #84 on: March 15, 2019, 11:34:49 AM »


<Why did you choose to use firearms?

I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas,fire,vehicular attacks,plane attacks, any means were available. I had the will and I had the resources.

I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world.

The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty.

This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines. >






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Re: NZ shooter establishes new meme
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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #91 on: March 16, 2019, 01:00:10 PM »
As was noted on this forum in no little depth, including:

A) A contraction of Christians in Iraq from (working from memory here) 1.5 million to under 200,000(?), and

B) The Kerry State Dept reluctantly had to officially declare what happened in Syria to be a genocide.

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Trapping Feral Pigs and Other Parables of Modern Life
« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2019, 01:22:29 PM »
Trapping Feral Pigs and Other Parables of Modern Life

by Matt Bracken

Professional trappers don't catch fast-breeding and destructive feral pigs using hunting dogs and guns, or in little traps one or two at a time. The wily pigs quickly learn to evade humans after such fleeting contacts. So how do the pros trap entire feral pig herds, eliminating them all, from granddads to piglets, in one go? They feed them, most generously. They kill them with kindness.

First, in a clearing in the woods, the trappers build an enclosure about twenty feet on a side and four feet high, made of stout wire mesh. There is an opening on each of the four sides of the pen. The pen is loaded with corn and other pig favorites. At first, the suspicious hog honchos will send in a few of the little ones as scouts. The scouts come and go at will, eating to their piggy satisfaction, until eventually suspicions die and they are joined by every other member of the herd right up the chain of command. The pigs soon come to believe that if nothing bad has happened to them after entering the strange wire enclosure full of corn, then nothing bad will ever happen. Their "normalcy bias" kicks in very quickly.

Soon, the pigs can't imagine any other life. Rooting for tubers? An unpleasant task of the forgotten past. Nightly the herd eagerly trots to the free corn in the pen, and they fail to notice when one of the openings has been closed off with another panel of wire fencing during the day. Pigs are said to be as smart as dogs, but neither can count to four. Nor are the closings of the second or third openings much noticed. Finally, all that remains for the trapper to do is to install a powerful spring-driven trap door above the last opening. The entire tribe of formerly wary feral hogs once again enters the pen, and with a metallic clang their miraculous corn nirvana turns into a death trap.

The moral of the story: If it looks too good to be true, it probably is. Don't go inside the "free corn" pen, not even when all the doors are open. Free food is as dangerous as the sirens' song to ancient mariners. It is all too easy to get used to being fed, and then to miss the exits closing one at a time.

2. The Turkeys and Farmer Brown

Pigs are Einsteins compared to turkeys. Turkeys are so stupid that care must be taken to prevent them from killing themselves by accident. For example, if incorrectly stimulated, they might stampede into a corner of a feeding lot and trample many of their brethren to death in their urgency to follow the herd.

If turkeys think at all, they think of Farmer Brown as "the food man" or "the food god." So you can imagine their simple and unreserved joy at seeing the food man arriving to dispense the daily manna. For 364 straight days they believe they are living in turkey heaven, and they worship the food man, until on day 365 he unexpectedly takes an ax to their necks. (Hat tip to Nassim Nicholas Taleb and his seminal book, "The Black Swan" If you have not yet read it, you are way behind the learning curve. It's waiting for you at your local library.)

The moral of the story: If somebody is feeding you every day and asking for nothing in return, give an occasional thought to his motives and his possible end plans. Not everybody that feeds you loves you. The normalcy bias can kill you.

3. The Buffalo Jump

Native American Indians hunted on foot before the arrival of Spanish horses in North America. Bows and arrows and spears were not showstoppers against stampeding herds of bison, each weighing up to a ton. The Indians understood bison much better than the bison understood the Indians, however, and so the bison repeatedly failed to discern that all the pesky humans waving flags and setting grass fires were funneling them into a narrow draw and then to a yawning cliff, with squaws and children waiting below to commence the butchery.

The moral of the story: If you are being stampeded and funneled, it might be toward disaster, not away from it. Take any exit and go another direction. Read about the then-Greek city of Smyrna in 1922 to see a human Buffalo Jump in action. Wiki link to the "Catstrophe of Smyrna"

4. The Lemmings

The lemmings we are interested in are the small furry rodents that live on islands around Norway. For most of history, their mass charges into the frigid waters were seen as some kind of group suicide. Today, they’re understood to be the result of the little rodent's rapid gestation period kicking into high gear during rare periods of abundance of seed grasses sprouting madly during particularly mild arctic summers. In a matter of months the lemming population explodes, but eventually every last seed is eaten, and not another seed will appear until after the passage of the long arctic winter. The starving rodents packing the small islands can either die in place or undertake a desperate swim to greener pastures on other islands beckoning in the distance.

The moral of the story: There doesn't need to be a pig trapper or a turkey farmer in the equation to cause a mass die-off event; nature can do it all on her own. And nature doesn't care about your schedule, or your personal problems.

5. The Land Crab Massacre

One day in Puerto Rico a platoon of Navy SEALs had to drive in a few trucks and vans to an isolated rifle range way out in some swampy corner of the Roosevelt Roads Naval Base, now sadly closed. A few miles of gravel road paralleled the Caribbean shore, with mangrove trees close on both sides of the narrow track. You had to access this rifle range at certain times during the daily tidal cycle, or the road might be under water. The frogmen spent the day shooting guns and blowing things up, then at sunset packed up the trucks for the quick run back to their beloved NavSpecWar Det Caribbean.

Truck headlights illuminated a moving sheet of land crabs, migrating from the ocean toward the land for the night. Land crabs have a body about the size of a fist, and one claw as big as a Maine lobster's. They were so tightly packed that you could not toss a hat into their midst without hitting two or three: a near solid mass of them covering a mile of gravel road and the mangrove swamps on both sides. All the SEALs could do was drive over them in their government trucks, pulverizing thousands of them, maybe millions, leaving two wide swaths of crushed crab, crackling and squishing beneath our tires for a mile.

On the return trip to the range the next day, not a sign remained of the land crab holocaust. The smashed crustaceans had been immediately devoured by their erstwhile kin, who were probably happy that the hard work of shell-cracking had already been done by Goodyear tires. A mile-long crab massacre was followed by a cannibal feast that left no trace, overnight.

The moral of the story: Don't be caught in the middle of a mass migration where you have no room to maneuver independently. Any outside force, or your neighbors, can smite you at will. Like Desert Storm's "Highway of Death," refugee columns attract warbird attention the way that honey attracts flies. History is full of refugee columns being strafed, on purpose or through mis-identification. Or like the bison, refugee columns can be herded into traps, and the individual refugee can do nothing to prevent it. This is a paradoxical case where the normally presumed “safety in numbers” is a deadly betrayer instead of a savior. Given a choice, going it alone beats The Buffalo Jump every time, but it’s very hard to bolt from the herd.

6. The Rat Flood

This occurs in northeastern India and parts of Burma. Only in the last century was this bizarre cycle of human famine following unexplained super plagues of rats finally understood. It turns out that forests of a certain bamboo species go into a wild explosion of fruiting, producing seed nuts on a 48-year cycle, a trick of nature that had been missed until the middle of the 20th century. Intrigued by the half-century cycle of human famines reported in 1862, 1911, and 1959, modern scientists finally noticed the link between the famines and the bamboo tree cycle. By 2006, the next time the bamboo began to fruit, they were on hand to observe the complete phenomenon.

The superabundance of nuts every 48 years leads to an explosion in the population of Asian black rats, which live in the bamboo forests. Because of their rapid breeding cycle, the number of rats per acre shoots up to astronomical levels, eventually the entire mega-crop of nuts is consumed, and a lemming-like mass starvation follows.

Millions of starving rats break out from the forests in what the local people call the Rat Flood. The onrushing solid tide of scurrying rats destroys entire crops in the ground and attack unprotected granaries, leading to an immediate human famine. Millions of dying, dead and decaying rats add to the misery by polluting streams and causing other intensely nasty sanitary problems. A once-every-48-years bamboo nut super-fruiting leads to millions of rats and then to human famine.

The moral of the story: If subtle connections are missed, a radical new situation may at first wrongly be considered a Black Swan Event. But sometimes the Black Swans can be seen in advance, if seemingly unconnected links and mechanisms are properly understood in advance. And if you’re not sure what a Black Swan Event is, you definitely need to read the book.

7. Hippos and Crocodiles

Certain stretches of African rivers dry up from time to time, stranding all the water-dependent creatures in a new desert-scape dotted with evaporating ox-bow lakes. During the normal times of plentiful water, hippos and crocs are the masters of the riverine environment. Lions and elephants interface with them at the edges, but pose no challenge to the undisputed lords of the river.

That is, until the water level drops during a severe drought cycle, and the last stagnant ponds dry to cracked mud. Then the crocs and hippos, already starving and dehydrated, must bolt overland to discover another pond or river extension. Few of them moving cross-country in the desert heat live to see another waterhole. Their overland fatality rate is lemming-like, as lions, hyenas and vultures swarm in when they finally drop to the earth.

The moral of the story: Don't be a hippo if your stretch of river might dry up. Be adaptable to many environments, not just the master of one that might prove to be impermanent. Better yet, be a bird, able to fly away to a safe location as conditions on the ground change for the worse. Have an agile mobility plan—or two or three.

8. Hungry Horses

If you read a lot, you will run across these stories a few times a year. As a recurring phenomenon it's not as well known as some of the others, but it happens often enough to merit attention. Do an internet search on starving horses, and you will find many such sad stories. Typically, a utility company repairman, meter reader, contractor or salesman will visit a remote ranch or farm and be horrified at the sight of dozens or more starving horses or cows. There may even be dead livestock on the ground. The witness informs the sheriff, who comes out and arrests the land owner for animal cruelty and other charges.

The land owner will usually end up doing prison time, often for what he believes was no crime. He was merely doing the best he could, but times were hard. He had lost his job or been injured, but bottom line, he couldn't afford trips to the feed store. They were just plain hungry times, they were all hungry, but the livestock would fatten up again just as soon as he got enough money for the feed, or the drought ended and greened up the fields. And it’s going to rain any day now.

This dynamic recalls Confederate Major Henry Wirz, the commander of the open-air POW camp at Andersonville, Georgia. Everybody was hungry, civilian, military and prisoner. They were hungry times. There was no food to give the detainees. Nobody had a plan for the Union POWs, except to corral them in a given location. In the year before April 1865, nearly one-third of the 45,000 Union prisoners died. Wirz was hanged in Washington late in 1865, after one of the first American war-crime trials, yet to this day many believe he got a raw deal. After all, his apologists say, he was doing the best he could under the terrible circumstances.

The moral of the story: The guy who is starving you may sincerely be trying to feed you, but his best efforts might not be enough. In the end, if you are penned in, you can be killed by simple starvation and neglect, requiring no directly malign intention by your captors. Starvation just happens naturally when insufficient food is coming into the enclosure.

9. The Crazy Cat Lady When the stink of the crazy cat lady's house sufficiently annoys the neighborhood, she is either found inside dead, or if she is still alive she must be taken away to the crazy old people's home. After the surviving starved cats are taken away by folks in hazmat suits, her house will often be burned down to prevent the spread of disease. Most of the rescued cats are too far gone and must be euthanized at the animal shelter.

Yet her motives were perfectly pure! The crazy old lady truly loved her pets. She could not bear to imagine them out in the cold rain, hungry and alone, so she invited them inside. Imagine that you are the fifth or sixth cat adopted into her warm and dry house. An old stray would consider himself to have landed in cat paradise. Soft rugs, plentiful food, and a kind human hand await inside. Purrr-fect.

It's a great deal even if you are the tenth cat invited inside, but not so great when you are the two hundredth and the inside population is breeding unchecked. The crazy old cat lady, in spite of her very good intentions, ends up presiding over the feline version of Auschwitz, a true death machine, killing her beloved cats slowly by starvation, dehydration, and disease.

The moral of the story: Good intentions don't mean squat if you trap other living beings inside an enclosure and then you can't feed them in perpetuity. The holocaust that results is still on you. Expressed good intentions about your trapped population will not be accepted. "I was doing my best to help them" will ring as hollow a defense as "I was just following orders." North Korea comes to mind as a very large enclosure.

10. The Grasshopper and the Locust

Grasshoppers are the same creature as locusts, but as population density and crowding increase, the small green insects undergo a morphological change caused by increasing tactile stimulation that leads to new hormonal releases. Little Jiminy Cricket will more than double in size, take on a darkened and armored appearance, and develop effective flying wings. The morphing locusts will breed even more often, in preparation for their famous swarming behavior.

The tiny grasshoppers, instead of accepting the fate of other overpopulated, starving species, turn into warrior invaders and take wing to go in search of greener pastures, leaving famine and death in their wake. An emergency breakout plan is part of their DNA.

The moral of the story: Soft and timid little creatures can turn fearsome and go on the warpath if their very survival is at stake. Even a weak and normally helpless neighbor can become a danger if his survival is at stake, especially if he joins a gang where he benefits from strength in numbers.

Larger Lessons

If somebody else is feeding you—even if you entered the community or the building of your own free will, even if all the doors and gates are currently open or unlocked—you may already be living in your future prison. All it takes is a change in management to turn your Holiday Inn into San Quentin. Like the feral pigs, you might find that the exits are all sealed off, and the free food was meant only to lure you in and fatten you for slaughter.

If you are kept in an enclosure, even if you are currently being fed with food brought in from outside, you are living at the mercy of the status quo. The benevolent dictator who satisfies your needs may be replaced overnight by Caligula or Stalin. Your Holiday Inn might be sold to or taken over by the next Nazi SS.

Or authority might be abdicated entirely, leaving prisoners starving in their pens and cells; think Baghdad Zoo after the 2003 American invasion. A power vacuum, such as occurs when the crazy cat lady becomes infirm, can be as deadly to a trapped population as the turkey farmer and the pig hunter are to their own deliberate target populations.

Creatures that are able to flee starvation will do so.

If presented with an impossible barrier, they might attempt a lemming-like swim, or head across desert terrain like hippos fleeing the last dried-up pond. But they will try. They will not starve in place.

Or starving millions may break out and appear like a sudden refugee tidal wave, as is the case with the Rat Flood in India. Or the millions might turn warlike and break out violently like locusts, bent on temporary conquest and laying waste to the land in their search for sustenance. But few creatures will starve to death quietly in their dens. Social ecologists will ignore this lesson at their peril.

Most of these parables involve a densely packed population that undergoes a cutoff in their food supply that is too rapid to permit them an adjustment period. The more densely packed the population, the more likely that when their food is abruptly cut off, they will attempt to break out in search of new food sources.

Urban areas in the United States and other countries present many risks similar to some of the parables cited above. America has somehow evolved a system for artificially maintaining the lives of millions inside open-air prisons, with free food dispensed to the voluntarily semi-incarcerated. It is all too easy to grow dependent on free food, as the feral pigs might attest. Turkeys don't know any better, being born in captivity, but the same fate awaits them at the end of the free-food line.

Today we have become a nation of slaves.

One group is made up of the wage-slaves, working for the government so that politicians can dispense largesse to their pet interest groups in return for their votes. Fifty million Americans are currently enslaved on the Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) food-stamp plantation. The masters of both the producers and the moochers are the looters “employed” in the government sector, robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote in order to raise taxes on Peter yet again. Combined, the looters and the moochers will always outnumber the producers, until some population-altering event disrupts the status quo. (Hat tip to Neil Boortz for his looters, producers, and moochers trichotomy.)

The urban population density is obviously high, with no possibility of providing its own food through local agriculture. In the event of a food supply disruption, such as a breakdown of the EBT system, it is very likely that a large part of the urban population will break out in search of food rather than quietly starving in place after all the supermarkets and other nearby food sources are looted. FR thread: "When the music stops: how America's cities may explode in violence."

Like restarting a diesel engine with an air-locked fuel line, getting the food supply system of a city running again cannot be done by turning a key and stomping on the accelerator. The diesel engine air-lock must be tediously purged and the injectors bled. This takes time, and there is no shortcut method, no matter your state of desperation to get the engine running. The "just in time" food supply system and our lack of old-fashioned food warehouses will worsen the air-lock in the broken food supply. It will be extremely tricky to restart the food supply conveyor into an out-of-control city in the thrall of deadly food riots. The hungry population may break out in anger before the authorities are able to introduce some type of emergency feeding plans. In fact, the desperate rioting mobs, paradoxically, will be the main impediment to delivering the food. FEMA might rescue one or a few cities, but will be impotent if the food supply crisis is widespread and many cities are affected.

In normal times our urban inhabitants are free to come and go at will. But cities are usually divided into manageable sections by highways, railroad trunk lines, rivers, ravines, steep mountainsides and other manmade or geographical features. The authorities, or those living in areas adjoining the boroughs experiencing starvation, may or may not permit free entry or passage of hungry refugees. If the authorities or suburban vigilantes wish to stop the breakout of the starving masses, it will have to be done with extreme force, if it can be done at all.

Roughly, these are the three alternatives facing those who find themselves in an urban area when the outside supply of food stops:

1. Die in place like the neglected horses or the felines trapped in the crazy old cat lady's house of horrors. This only happens to captive populations, but it happens. Some armed force might be guarding the bridges and highways around your 'hood, with strict orders to "contain the problem." The Warsaw Ghetto could become the model for ultimate urban renewal and a radical rebalancing of the moocher-to-producer population ratio. As with the crazy old cat lady's putrid house, fire may be the cleanser of choice. Again, read about The Great Fire of Smyrna in 1922.

2. Attempt relocation too late, like the lemmings and the hippos. This was the fate of many of the Jews in Germany, the Armenians and Greeks in Turkey, and the Christians in the Middle East today. The human normalcy bias is so strong that it's difficult for most people to understand, after a few peaceful generations, that bad can go to worse and then to fatal in a few unexpected jumps. Jews, Armenians and Greeks all clung to the belief that things could only get better—until it was too late to flee successfully. The Copts in Egypt may be the next population of Christians marched into a desert to die, while the world watches.

3. Break out, like the bamboo forest rats and the locusts in search of more nutrition in the next valley. But don't expect to be welcomed in the next county if you are forced into a mass refugee exodus. Instead, you will be considered a plague of hungry locusts, and locusts are exterminated whenever possible. When you move into the hinterland you may find crude signs posted stating that Trespassers Will Be Shot On Sight. Signs put up by very serious hard-eyed people with more scoped deer rifles than EBT cards among them.

It will now be pointed out that there are more rural than urban users of the EBT system. This may be true in absolute numbers, but it is not important. There is a reason why the parables in this essay focus on situations where population densities are high when the food-rug is pulled out from under. Out in the wider country, there is a likelihood of the former EBT user moving in with other rural kin. Truck gardens and farmer's markets are not such a distant memory, and arable land is plentiful. A deer or a pig might wind up over a fire. "A country boy can survive," to quote one modern philosopher.

But there will be no surviving within the urban death traps when the seemingly perpetual food conveyor grinds to a halt for any of a number of causes. The only question is, will the EBT urban plantation slaves die in place, penned in by suburban rifle fire or other means, or will they break out in a starving flood? Possibly even with government help, on government buses? To be taken to whatever wire-fenced FEMA camp enclosure awaits them—or perhaps to your local high schools as a "temporary" measure?

Either way, what an unholy mess we find ourselves in. Our urban plantation population of EBT slaves has become a Damocles Sword hanging above the greater society. That perpetual food conveyor had better not experience a hiccup—for any reason—or in an eye blink there will be unholy hell to pay. Wise citizens will carefully consider the meta-terrain around them for future Black Swans, Black Swans that in reality might be located at the intersections of already understood natural phenomena and the unintended consequences of social experimentation gone disastrously wrong.

The final moral of the story: Don't live in—or near—a densely populated enclosure where all the food is brought in from outside, even if today the exit doors are all open.

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2019, 08:57:22 AM »
Great essay.  I'm guessing this was written before the full implosion of Venezuela with 30 million trapped in and starving with free food.  We wouldn't need animal parables if we had an honest media or a curious electorate.  Besides the author's take I would challenge every reader to follow each parable with the question, what does this mean for us - today?

With humans, it gets at the core difference between liberal and conservative vision being first and second level thinking.  On the first level, qualifying for food stamps means you get free food, welfare is free money, minimum wage is a pay increase, taxing the rich means someone else pays, open borders means we get more voters for our side.  Second level thinking begins to ask what else happens and what happens after that.

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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2019, 09:24:38 AM »
Great essay.  I'm guessing this was written before the full implosion of Venezuela with 30 million trapped in and starving with free food.  We wouldn't need animal parables if we had an honest media or a curious electorate.  Besides the author's take I would challenge every reader to follow each parable with the question, what does this mean for us - today?

With humans, it gets at the core difference between liberal and conservative vision being first and second level thinking.  On the first level, qualifying for food stamps means you get free food, welfare is free money, minimum wage is a pay increase, taxing the rich means someone else pays, open borders means we get more voters for our side.  Second level thinking begins to ask what else happens and what happens after that.

Public schools try really hard not to develop second level thinking in their detainee populations. Most of the indoctrination staff aren't capable of it themselves.

Bottom line, for one reason or another, we are on the cusp of a breakdown in the system. Failing to plan for that is planning to fail.



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Re: STEM school shooter was LGBT lefty who hated Christians
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Re: When the excrement hits the fan, mass killings, etc
« Reply #99 on: May 11, 2019, 10:52:49 AM »
saw CNN have the parents of the boy who saved lives on last night.   Mario's kid,  Andy's bro did the show.
Actually was quite moving about the boy who helped others while risking his own life 

I did not watch the whole broadcast
but doubt anything was said about the killers being LBGTIGAFEMONPWZXQYA>.

if there was it would only be they were "white men"
without the rest of it.