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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #350 on: November 23, 2019, 08:23:32 AM »
Butti leads in the latest polls in both Iowa and New Hampshire (but not in any national polls).

Butti currently has 0% support of blacks in South Carolina.

Democrat analysts and activists are calling for a stop to having Iowa and New Hampshire being the first two states, at least for Democrats, because of those states "whiteness".

As one conservative commentator puts it, pass the popcorn.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/21/20974228/pete-buttigieg-surge-explained-2020

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/22/black-south-bend-leader-endorses-biden-over-buttigieg-072885

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #351 on: November 23, 2019, 10:50:20 AM »
Marianne Williamson outpolls Buttgig in SC.


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Re: Bloomberg News will not investigate Dem candidates
« Reply #353 on: November 25, 2019, 12:28:10 PM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/bloomberg-news-to-refrain-from-investigating-dem-presidential-candidates/

Just showing solidarity with the other media outlets who will also not investigate dem presidential candidates.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #354 on: November 25, 2019, 03:06:55 PM »
The Grandmaster of Snark at work , , ,  :-D



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Re: Likely black voters at 34% for Trump
« Reply #357 on: November 26, 2019, 05:15:49 AM »
"If so, YUUUUUUuuuuuuuuge!"

   - Yes.  Picking off their constituent groups one at a time.  After blacks, gays, Hispanics and suburban women, let's win over young people.
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Previously:  "The Grandmaster of Snark at work , , ,  :-D   "

   - Snark, but true.
"Just showing solidarity with the other media outlets who will also not investigate dem presidential candidates."

    - Worse than Soviet Prada in that regard.  They only had one deep state media outlet to lie with.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election, Latino vote matters
« Reply #358 on: November 27, 2019, 06:35:30 AM »
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/26/latinos-for-trump-supporters-hispanics-mexicans-attacks-immigrants-column/4224954002/

Lowest Hispanic unemployment in history.  Continuing the flood of illegal entries drives down the wages for the less recent arrivals.  He is a better President for all including Latinos than anyone should have thought in 2016.   

If you are legal to vote, you are American, not Mexican or whatever.  You have the same  interest in peace, prosperity and secure borders as everyone else.  You want America to be great and you are not under any threat of deportation.

"In 2016, according to exit polls, Trump got 28% of the Latino vote."

The 2016 election was essentially a tie.  Trump needs to bump up that percentage slightly to win the election. If he wins closer to 40% of Hispanics, reelection is a landslide.

[The link is an anti-Trump article that cannot understand the Latinos for Trump movement.]
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2% of the US population (6 milion) watched the latest debate, down from 18 million in the first debate.
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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #359 on: November 27, 2019, 07:23:35 AM »
Warren peaked in the first week of October, has dropped 14% since then.  Is this a Bernie Biden fight?  Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg?  Battle of the 77-78 year olds.  Bernie, Biden, Buttigieg?  I will predict a divide of all 4, Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg.

Bernie is back from his health scare and in for the duration barring another more catastrophic setback that could happen to anyone.  Warren's phoniness is fully exposed making Bernie the purer, angrier, more honest Socialist.  Each cannot win unless the other drops out, a bit like the Rubio Cruz conundrum.

The Biden gaffe machine just keeps getting worse, but his support has stayed fairly steady:
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/as-warren-fades-is-it-down-to-bernie-vs-biden/

Buttigieg rise comes from Biden's perceived weakness, not from his own eloquence, experience or ideas.  Bloomberg is the unknown dividing that same lane.  He has no personal appeal except a perception he can beat Trump.  But his hundred million or billion is nothing compared to what the msm is already doing against Trump.  We have already heard it all, and negative advertising is the only advertising that really works. 

As it sits today, Butti could 'surprise' in Iowa and maybe NH.  Biden may hold other states like SC.   Bloomberg will test all that with his already started media blitz into Super Tuesday.

Conceivably this stays divided in lanes and goes deep into the convention, unclinched and unsettled.  In the end they settle very late on one of these deeply flawed candidates. 

The timing and division of all this favors Trump.



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Re: 2020 Presidential election, The Difference ...
« Reply #360 on: November 27, 2019, 07:28:19 AM »

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #361 on: November 27, 2019, 08:59:51 AM »
Perfect  :-D

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boomer already pissing them off on the LEFT
« Reply #362 on: November 27, 2019, 09:12:59 AM »
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/michael-bloomberg-2020-presidential-campaign-special-interests.html

This alone already infuriates me from the Jewish Napoleon
so a 77 y o billionaire who made it to the top has to keep the excitement in his life but running for Prez:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/26/mike-bloomberg-government-should-recruit-an-awful-lot-more-immigrants/

That's  right the billionaire wants more cheap labor for his business pals
and open the flood gates more.  he has decided what is good for us.
F off .




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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #363 on: November 27, 2019, 09:24:13 AM »
Bloomberg is also very gung ho for doing business with China.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #365 on: November 27, 2019, 10:08:56 AM »
To avoid confusion in searches with references to my generation,  may I suggest our nickname  for Bloomberg be Bloomie and not Boomer?

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Re: 2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg needs to sell Bloomberg
« Reply #366 on: November 27, 2019, 12:47:20 PM »
Bloomberg needs to end all critical coverage of Trump as Bloomberg runs for president.  They have agreed to do that with his Dem challengers:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionaire-media-moguls-shouldnt-run-for-president_n_5ddd49e2e4b0913e6f7486ef

They need to do it with Trump too; isn't that who he's really running against?  Watch his ads.

Is 78 too young to retire?  Is $60 Billion, 14th richest in the world not enough money to retire?  Is he serious about running for President??
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The real reason Bloomberg can't sell Bloomberg is our anti-freedom, anti-production tax laws.  A sale on that scale (before death) would turn into a giant US Government, State of New York taking.  These governments get zero dollars from their high tax rates that prevent the sale instead of billions of dollars that low tax rates would bring in.  Put THAT lesson in your platform, Michael.
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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #367 on: November 27, 2019, 02:51:07 PM »
"To avoid confusion in searches with references to my generation,  may I suggest our nickname  for Bloomberg be Bloomie and not Boomer?"

Sure can.

Or we can consider "blimy": *British slang an exclamation of surprise or annoyance.* . (the latter certainly fits )

"Is 78 too young to retire?  Is 460 Billion, 14th richest in the world not enough money to retire?  Is he serious about running for President??"

That is one reason Napoleon fits him,  he is not the type of guy who likes to sit home and reflect his later yrs.  He just has to be the big man in the room so running for Prez is the one thing he could not forgive himself for if at least doesn't try.  It is not about us or the country . It is about him and his need to the top dog.  Just my armchair analysis

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Re: 2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg needs to sell Bloomberg
« Reply #368 on: November 27, 2019, 03:30:53 PM »
Bloomberg needs to end all critical coverage of Trump as Bloomberg runs for president.  They have agreed to do that with his Dem challengers:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billionaire-media-moguls-shouldnt-run-for-president_n_5ddd49e2e4b0913e6f7486ef

They need to do it with Trump too; isn't that who he's really running against?  Watch his ads.

Is 78 too young to retire?  Is $60 Billion, 14th richest in the world not enough money to retire?  Is he serious about running for President??
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The real reason Bloomberg can't sell Bloomberg is our anti-freedom, anti-production tax laws.  A sale on that scale (before death) would turn into a giant US Government, State of New York taking.  These governments get zero dollars from their high tax rates that prevent the sale instead of billions of dollars that low tax rates would bring in.  Put THAT lesson in your platform, Michael.

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Re: boomer already pissing them off on the LEFT
« Reply #369 on: November 27, 2019, 03:55:10 PM »
That should say $60 billion dollars, 14th richest in the world.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #370 on: November 27, 2019, 04:34:51 PM »
"That should say $60 billion dollars, 14th richest in the world."

annual state budgets :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_budgets


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Pete's Grey New Deal
« Reply #372 on: November 30, 2019, 10:46:02 AM »
Mayor Pete’s Senior Vote Plan
He wants government everywhere—including a public option 401(k).
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Updated Nov. 29, 2019 6:33 pm ET

Pete Buttigieg speaks in Denison, Iowa, Nov. 26. PHOTO: SCOTT OLSON/GETTY IMAGES
Pete Buttigieg would like to take care of you in your dotage—or, rather, he wants taxpayers to do it. This week his presidential campaign posted his latest policy plan, a 19-page outline for “dignity and security in retirement.” It’s hardly modest, which is why Mayor Pete has called it his Gray New Deal. He would:

• Expand Social Security with “a new special minimum benefit of 125 percent of the federal poverty line for any senior who has worked at least 30 years.” Unpaid caregivers of any “child, elderly, or disabled dependent” would be “awarded credit toward Social Security benefits” as if working for pay—applied in some cases “retroactively by five years.”

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Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost, but Social Security is on track to go broke as it is. The program is expected to pay more in benefits than it raises in taxes next year, and this funding gap will widen. Modest changes, such as raising the retirement age by one month every two years, would help, but Mayor Pete rules out benefit adjustments. That means tax, tax, tax.

• Raise money by applying unspecified “additional Social Security taxes” to personal income above $250,000. Meantime, “work with Congress to develop options for enshrining a process of automatically adjusting high earners’ contributions to keep Social Security solvent without ever cutting benefits.”

This is a huge tax increase. The current Social Security payroll tax is 12.4%, split between workers and employers. But it applies only to wages of $132,900, after which the tax comes off. Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t specify a rate for his surtax, but he suggests it would cover all high income, from $250,000 to infinity. That would kill the fiction of Social Security as an “earned” program, even if Mayor Pete gives these people new “modest Social Security benefits for their extra contributions.”

• “Institute a Public Option 401(k).” Workers who put in 1.5% of their pay “would trigger an employer contribution of 3 percent.” Companies would be required to participate unless they already offer a 401(k) with a “sizeable employer match” or some other “generous retirement package.” As workers switch jobs they’d be able to “seamlessly roll their prior 401(k)s into the Public Option 401(k).”

This would weigh on hiring and wages, especially in small businesses, akin to a 3% head tax. The exemption for companies with “generous” retirement packages isn’t defined. The incentives seem designed to shunt trillions of dollars from private retirement accounts into a federal program that politicians could influence.

• Create a new entitlement for long-term care “to protect people over age 65 who require assistance with two or more activities of daily living.” The benefit would pay “$90 per day,” or about $33,000 a year, although the exact figure would be adjusted for regional differences and then indexed to inflation.

ObamaCare included a public option for long-term care, as readers may remember. Called the Class Act, it was meant to be a voluntary insurance program funded by premiums. But Congress specified it had to be actuarially sound for 75 years, and bipartisan majorities later repealed it. Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t even mention costs.

• Expand eligibility for Medicaid’s coverage of long-term care by raising the income threshold from about $771 a month to $2,313, while lifting the asset ceiling to $10,000 from $2,000. Also, void the “estate recovery rules,” by which states “seek repayment of Medicaid costs from the estates of individuals who received long-term care benefits.”

This would accelerate Medicaid’s evolution into a middle-class entitlement for long-term care. No details—perhaps readers are sensing a pattern—of what it would cost.

• Nationalize oversight of care: “Set federal standards for residential care communities, including staffing ratios, required access to mental health clinicians, and annual inspections.” Similarly, create “a National Direct Care Workforce Standards Board” to cover “workforce issues, including rate setting recommendations, compensation and benefits, training and credentialing, and recruitment and turnover.”

This hyper-regulation is a recipe for shrinking supply, making care more expensive and worsening the problem Mr. Buttigieg says he wants to fix.

• “Require publicly-funded health and long-term care programs to routinely identify and assess family caregivers at each point of care delivery.” So the feds would monitor families?

Mr. Buttigieg presents himself as a moderate, but he keeps serving up more entitlements and a progressive technocracy. This is Elizabeth Warren Lite, with less honest math. Don’t worry how Mayor Pete will pay for it. President Pete the Rhodes Scholar will figure that out.

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Re: Pete's Grey New Deal
« Reply #373 on: November 30, 2019, 06:59:58 PM »
"Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost"

    - No he doesn't.

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Re: Pete's Grey New Deal
« Reply #374 on: November 30, 2019, 07:04:48 PM »
"Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost"

    - No he doesn't.

Math is racist, sexist and homophobic!

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Re: Pete's Grey New Deal
« Reply #375 on: December 01, 2019, 06:49:35 AM »
"Mr. Buttigieg doesn’t say what these additions would cost"

    - No he doesn't.

Math is racist, sexist and homophobic!

Yes, I was just going to re-title it, Rhodes Scholar, or whatever he is, doesn't do math.  Could add, MSM doesn't ask, what will it cost?

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Re: 2020 Presidential election, poll slips
« Reply #376 on: December 02, 2019, 09:48:13 AM »
CNN:  Harris drops from 17 to 3%
Warren dropped from 28 to 14%.
Two polls have trump black support surging to 34%.

I'm starting to believe people really do read the forum.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #377 on: December 02, 2019, 02:59:55 PM »
 :-D :-D :-D

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still . not sure
« Reply #378 on: December 02, 2019, 04:36:52 PM »
If Bloomberg will

 take up the slack as the others slip underwater despite the treading

I would think he could take out Buttigieg.  By many measurements successful NYC mayor vs a so so mayor of S, Bend .

I was wrong it appears about Warren, I thought she was going to be the nominee but the elites and MSM are abandoning her.

Sounds like Obama needs some ambien .   :-)

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #380 on: December 02, 2019, 05:30:59 PM »
Warren fuct herself with the details of her Medicare for all plan.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #381 on: December 03, 2019, 06:16:45 AM »
Warren fuct herself with the details of her Medicare for all plan.

That's right. You don't put numbers to a program that doubles the federal budget when it won't ever be passed anyway.

In the other gaffes, my thought is that Leftists are not bothered by her dishonesty. They are bothered by the unelectability that comes from it being so clumsy and blatant.

In the spotlight people also see that she has no magnetism or charisma. She offers a spot for leftists to park their vote but she brings no one new to the cause.

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"catastropic"
« Reply #383 on: December 03, 2019, 04:48:33 PM »
https://pjmedia.com/trending/leader-of-anti-trump-resistance-on-kamala-harris-dropping-out-racism-and-sexism/

I guess having a homsexual and an Native American woman is not enough

Or even a fellow Jew (Bloomberg) to Ms Levine and Greenberg.

I guess Booker does not count .

Surely this is racism ...... :roll:



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2020 Presidential election, Bloomberg
« Reply #385 on: December 04, 2019, 09:39:09 AM »
Bloomberg: ['General Secretary' Xi Jinping] "has to satisfy his constituents or he’s not going to survive."

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE): "This is the kind of stupid you can’t script," ...  "the Chinese Communist Party has thrown a million innocent Uyghurs [his constituents] into camps and has made billions of dollars by literally harvesting the organs of their political prisoners."
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/sasses-sharp-strike-on-bloomberg-the-kind-of-stupid-you-cant-script/


Through its massive Bloomberg Barclays Global Aggregate Bond Index, Bloomberg LP is helping finance Chinese companies by sending billions of U.S. investor dollars into the Chinese bond market.
This year, the index began a 20-month plan to support 364 Chinese firms by directing an estimated $150 billion into their bond offerings, including 159 controlled directly by the Chinese government. Bloomberg, along with other Wall Street firms, is effectively supporting the Chinese government’s efforts to resist the U.S. government’s economic pressure, while exposing American investors to increased risk.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/13/michael-bloombergs-china-record-shows-why-he-cant-be-president/


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clearly "mild cognitive defect"
« Reply #387 on: December 06, 2019, 06:22:00 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/election/video-biden-forgets-when-he-was-vice-president-says-obama-administration-was-during-1976/

one of the simple tests we do to test memory is to ask a patient to count backwards by 7 s from 100.

I wonder if Biden could do it.

This clearly makes him unqualified to be President from a medical point of view . ( you don't need a medical degree to see this)

So why are all the (liberal Democrat )  doctors, the psychologists, and the psychiatrists not signing  petitions stressing this obvious point?

You mean it is NOT  a danger to have some guy who can't even remember the correct year to have his finger on the launch pad of the nuclear arsenal?

A lot of libs in the medical field.
no bias with them of course  - they are all objective professionals doing their medical duty to uphold the *hypocritic* oath , woops, I mean *hippocratic * .  :roll:

A lib is a lib is a lib (Gertrude Stein)


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Biden VP list why does he not pick Obama
« Reply #389 on: December 08, 2019, 10:40:53 AM »
Why not Obama?

the 22 nd amendment :

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Nothing in here that restricts Obama from becoming a President if he is chose as VP by Biden and becomes President by Joe's death or disability
  (or impeachment).


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Re: Biden VP list why does he not pick Obama
« Reply #391 on: December 08, 2019, 07:46:59 PM »
Why not Obama?

the 22 nd amendment :

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Nothing in here that restricts Obama from becoming a President if he is chose as VP by Biden and becomes President by Joe's death or disability
  (or impeachment).

Good point but I don't think it would get past original intent, also Obama wouldn't take the job.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #392 on: December 09, 2019, 05:20:00 AM »
"also Obama wouldn't take the job"

Obamasiah.  :wink:

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Noonan
« Reply #393 on: December 12, 2019, 08:55:28 PM »
Who Can Beat Trump?
In Iowa, candidates and voters show little interest in impeachment, much in victory next November.

By Peggy Noonan
Dec. 12, 2019 7:01 pm ET

Pete Buttigieg speaks in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Dec. 7. PHOTO: WIN MCNAMEE/GETTY IMAGES
Cedar Rapids, Iowa

The famous caucuses are Feb. 3. Christmas is coming, the calendar tightening, and candidates zooming through the broad expanse in tinted-window SUVs.

A surprise is there’s little surprise. Reporters say interest in impeachment is minimal, and it’s true: in three days not a single question from the floor, not a stray comment from a voter in a forum. The candidates seem bored with the subject and don’t bother to fake passion if you ask. Impeachment is a reality show going on in Washington, and everyone knows the outcome, so it’s not even interesting. On my way to Waterloo I realized: We’re about to have the third impeachment of a president in American history, and the day it happens it’s not going to be Topic A in America. It will barely be mentioned at the dinner table. It is a coastal elite story, not a mainland story.

The Democratic race is as fluid as it looks. No one, even bright party professionals speaking off the record, knows what to expect. Biden was inevitable, then maybe Elizabeth, maybe Pete’s inevitable, but Bernie may be inevitable, and don’t write off Joe.

But “Beat Trump” is back. When 2019 began Democrats were thinking that was priority No. 1. Then other things became more important—Medicare for All, climate change, policy. But it feels like Democrats here are circling back to their original desire. “Who can beat Trump?” is again the most important question. They don’t know the answer. They’re trying to figure it out.

You can hear this in what the candidates say.

At a Teamsters forum in Cedar Rapids Saturday, Sen. Bernie Sanders was burly in his aggression. “This is a president who is a fraud,” “a pathological liar,” “a homophobe,” “a bigot.” Mr. Sanders said his campaign is about “telling the billionaire class that their greed is unacceptable.” He got a standing ovation.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar the day before, in Grinnell, spoke to about 150 people at the Iowa Farmer’s Union: “We’re not gonna let this Gilded Age roll right over us.” Donald Trump made promises he didn’t keep. After his tax cut passed, “he went to Mar-a-Lago and told his rich friends, ‘I just made you all a lot richer.’ And I can tell you none of them were farmer’s union members.”

“He thinks the Midwest is flyover country.”

Leaders are making decisions for seven generations, she said: “He can’t keep his decision seven minutes from now.”

Pete Buttigieg, at Cornell College in Mount Vernon, told a crowd of more than 1,000—lots of students but others too, many of them prosperous and middle-aged: Don’t just watch “the Trump show—help me pick up the remote and change the channel.”

Before he spoke, a handsome, gray-haired psychotherapist from Iowa City told me why she supports him: “I think he has empathy. His orientation, what he’s been through. Yet also the military and a Rhodes scholar.” She liked his liberal Christianity: “He hasn’t let anyone else co-opt his spiritual life.”

Mr. Buttigieg used to say his name was pronounced “Buddha judge.” When he went national he changed it to what his crowds now chant: “boot edge edge.” I suspect he did this because America wears boots and likes edginess, but no one wants to be judged by the Buddha. I mention this because Mr. Buttigieg has the air of someone who thinks through even the smallest questions of presentation.

In person he seems like the smart young communications director for a Democratic presidential candidate, not the candidate himself. Yet he gets a particular respect because people think whatever happens this year, he’s going to be president some day. The local congressman who introduced him said as much: “No matter who comes out of this . . . Pete Buttigieg is the future of the party.”

He is personable in an old-fashioned sense; he reminds me of Michael Kinsley’s description of Al Gore when he was 38: “an old person’s idea of a young person.”

Mr. Buttigieg is often painted as a moderate. After he spoke I asked about something I’m interested in, how people develop their political views, where they get them. Do most inherit them, swallow them whole? His father was a Marxist-oriented academic at Notre Dame; he himself, I said, is a man of the left. Had he ever kicked away from family assumptions? Did he ever feel drawn to conservatism, to Burke or Kirk? He had not, though “I will say this: I came to respect the ways in which, right around the time of Russell Kirk, conservatives came to be very much in touch with the relationship between their ideas and their politics and politicians. I think it was born out of a period when the left had universities already, and the right needed to construct a structure of think tanks and so forth.”

When he was an intern on Capitol Hill, every young Republican staffer had a copy of Hayek on his desk. “On our side, the academic left, particularly in the humanities, had gotten into really abstruse things around postmodernism and poststructuralism. There was, ironically, contrary to our self-image, I think less of a clear relationship between ideas and politicians on the left. We had our policy intellectuals, but there was less of a connection between our politicians and our political theorists.”

He came to respect “the organizing efforts of conservatives.” I asked if this was around the time Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Of a sudden the Republican Party is the party of ideas.” He smiled and shrugged: “Just a hair before my time.”

Ms. Klobuchar’s polls have been going up, from 1% in the Emerson College poll in October to 10% now. Her audiences are bigger. It has broken through that she’s a moderate, a senator, a Midwesterner: “I’m from Minnesota and I can see Iowa from my porch!” She has wit. She knows she has to prove that she’s tough, that she can go toe to toe with Donald Trump.

She’s had strong debates. In the last one, social media went crazy because her hair shook. Not her face or voice, her hair. She later joked on Twitter: “I’ll plaster my runaway bangs down for the next NBC debate.”

What happened? She told me the debate hall had been reconfigured, overly air-conditioned, and unknown to her, a nearby air vent was blasting at the top of her head. She didn’t know there was a problem until the break, when a tech came by and said he was sorry.

“Now I guess hair spray,” she laughed as she told the story.

How difficult will it be to beat Mr. Trump? While I was in Iowa the new jobs numbers came out. America has functional full employment. It is a marvelous thing. We’re not in any new wars. With peace and prosperity, how can the incumbent lose?

The counterargument is that his approval is stuck in the low 40s with peace and prosperity, which tells you everything—he is vulnerable, more than half the country rejects him in what are for him ideal circumstances. This in turn brings back the familiar 2016 theme of shy Trump voters, people who don’t tell pollsters they’re going to vote for him, or even tell themselves.

Maybe the real story is that it’s all fluid.

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Re: 2020 Presidential election, Klobuchar?
« Reply #394 on: December 13, 2019, 07:20:27 AM »
Peggy Noonan (previous post) notes the Midwest appeal of Amy Klobuchar.  I would note that her big rise in Iowa puts her in 5th place there, she has 3% and 0% in the last two polls in Wisconsin, and doesn't lead in MN either.  She is accomplished, exciting or charismatic.

Her appeal is who she isn't, Trump, Biden, Sanders, Warren, not who she is or what she has done.

Did I mention 8th place in Nevada, 9th place in South Carolina?

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agree with
« Reply #396 on: December 13, 2019, 12:58:01 PM »
Dick

few more leftist polls - and -  she will run

and will have avoided months of campaigning

I believe for a second her mob is already jurnolisting each other.


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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #397 on: December 14, 2019, 12:10:40 AM »
My guess is that it is too late for her to register for a lot of primaries.  Is her strategy to see to it that no one wins on the first round at the convention?

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Re: 2020 Presidential election
« Reply #398 on: December 14, 2019, 05:20:11 AM »
" .Is her strategy to see to it that no one wins on the first round at the convention?"

Good question.

I don't know the rules

but someone on Fox was saying she is praying for the Dem candidates to all do poorly in polling and that polls will show she is the "only one who can beat" the orange man and so many people are begging her to run and although she is reluctant she will answer the call to duty to save democracy and be brought back on a white horse with a new shiny pants suit and facelift and makeup job.

Does it seem that way ?   :|

I would guess if the polls do not show this - she would not run.   :|

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more evidence the dowager is readying for the run
« Reply #399 on: December 14, 2019, 06:49:07 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/shes-baaaaaaack-is-this-new-photo-of-hillary-radiant-or-terrifying/

I don't understand why all these people have face jobs that make them look freakish.

If freakish better then appearing aged?

She could go after the younger vote and get a tongue barbell and a tattoo that says bubba on her upper thigh.
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