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Re: WW3
« Reply #700 on: February 17, 2023, 02:18:42 PM »
I have relayed the request to Bob and he tells me the task is done.
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Why is this a news story? No reason...
« Reply #702 on: February 19, 2023, 08:32:37 PM »
https://twitter.com/fox6now/status/1627122082378022912

This is fine.

Nothing to be concerned about.

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WSJ: China threatening to supply guns and ammo to Russia
« Reply #703 on: February 20, 2023, 08:03:43 AM »
U.S. officials are warning China against supplying Russia with arms and ammunition, as Moscow struggles to gain ground in Ukraine despite deploying almost the entirety of its ground forces in its smaller neighbor.

Concerns that China was considering providing lethal assistance to Russia first surfaced in meetings between officials late last year and early this year, officials said. U.S. officials put their Chinese counterparts on notice in videoconferences and at in-person meetings that China is “nearing a red line” in assisting Russia’s war, the officials said.

With the war approaching the one-year mark, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said publicly this weekend that Washington had information that Beijing was weighing providing lethal support to Moscow, primarily in the form of weapons.

“We’ve made very clear to them that that would cause a serious problem for us and in our relationship,” Mr. Blinken told CBS News in an interview after meeting Saturday with China’s top foreign-policy official, Wang Yi, on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference.

“If there are any thoughts and efforts by the Chinese and others to provide lethal support to the Russians in their brutal attack against Ukraine, that is unacceptable,” Linda Thomas-Greenfield, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, told CNN on Sunday.

The new concerns are being aired as President Biden travels to Poland this week to rally European allies, while Mr. Wang is scheduled to arrive in Moscow on Monday for talks. Russian President Vladimir Putin plans to deliver a major address to Russia’s Federal Council on Tuesday.

“The most catastrophic thing that could happen to U.S.-China relationship, in my opinion, is for China…to start to give lethal weapons to Putin in this crime against humanity,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) on ABC News on Sunday. He said China providing lethal aid “would be like buying a ticket on the Titanic after you saw the movie.”

As the West scrambles to move away from Russian energy sources and imposes sanctions on Moscow, China and India have stepped in to fill the gap. WSJ examines how those countries have boosted Russia’s revenue from oil sales, supporting its economy. Photo illustration: Sharon Shi

Beijing has called for a negotiated settlement in Ukraine. At the same time, China has provided crucial economic and diplomatic support for Moscow, buying up Russian energy and accusing the U.S. and NATO of creating conditions that provoked Russia’s invasion.

Beijing has denied it is aiding the Russian war effort and said its companies conduct normal trade with Russia.

Vice President Kamala Harris said Saturday the U.S. has formally determined that Russian forces and officials have committed crimes against humanity.

Tensions between Beijing and Washington have increased in recent weeks after the U.S. shot down what it said was a Chinese surveillance balloon over the U.S. At the Munich conference, Mr. Wang criticized what he called the “nearly hysterical” reaction of Washington to the balloon.

China is already providing technology that Moscow needs despite sanctions and export controls, according to a recent Wall Street Journal review of Russian customs data. The customs records show Chinese state-owned defense companies providing goods that have civilian and military uses, shipping navigation equipment, jamming technology and jet-fighter parts to sanctioned Russian government-owned defense companies.

Russia has also continued to purchase and deploy commercially available Chinese drones to target Ukrainian forces on the battlefield.

On the ground in Ukraine, the war has intensified in recent weeks as Russia hastens to capture the remainder of the eastern Donbas region before Kyiv receives better and heavier weapons pledged by its Western allies. Ukraine is bracing for a possible further escalation in fighting in the run-up to the first anniversary of the invasion later this week.

Ukrainian forces said they repelled Russian attacks along the front line in the east of the country, as Russian forces attacked Ukrainian positions, the General Staff of Ukraine’s armed forces said Sunday, including around the city of Bakhmut, which has become an epicenter of the war in recent months.

The war has come at a huge cost. Russian armed forces and private military contractors fighting alongside them have lost 40,000 to 60,000 troops and suffered up to 200,000 casualties, which includes troops killed or wounded in action, the U.K. has said.

Ukraine doesn’t disclose figures for its dead and wounded, though Western officials have estimated some 100,000 casualties among Ukrainian troops.

Russia’s Defense Ministry said Saturday it had captured the village of Hryanykivka in Ukraine’s northern Kharkiv region. Ukraine said Sunday its forces had repelled an attack in the vicinity of the village.

The Ukrainian General Staff said its forces had pushed back an attack on the eastern city of Bakhmut and the nearby villages of Ivanivske and Chasiv Yar, as Moscow’s forces push to encircle the city after months of failed assaults.

The Russian paramilitary Wagner Group said it had seized the village of Paraskoviivka on the northern edge of Bakhmut on Friday. While Ukraine hasn’t confirmed that, the General Staff on Sunday said it had foiled a Russian attack on the nearby village of Berkhivka, suggesting that Paraskoviivka was no longer under its control. 

Kyiv’s Western allies are rushing to equip Ukrainian forces with the means to prevent Russia from making further inroads now while building up for a counteroffensive in the coming months. Ukrainian officials have vowed to retake all of the territory occupied by Russian forces, though some Western officials and analysts say that goal is unrealistic.

While Kyiv has recently lobbied the West for tanks and jet fighters, the immediate priority is ammunition, which Ukraine is burning through faster than its allies can supply.

The European Union is exploring ways for member countries to team up to buy munitions for Ukraine.

“These are not normal times; these are extraordinary times. And therefore, we should also look at extraordinary measures or procedures,” European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen told reporters at the Munich Security Conference on Saturday.

Ahead of the war’s anniversary, Lt. Gen. Serhiy Nayev, commander of the Joint Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, played down concerns about a renewed Russian thrust from neighboring Belarus, which served as a staging ground for the initial invasion last year.

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko last week said he would allow Russia to use the country as a springboard for further attacks on Ukraine, but that Belarus would only send troops of its own if it was attacked. The two countries launched a series of joint military exercises along the border last month.

“These forces are not sufficient for a ground offensive at the moment, but what may happen in the future depends on the intentions of the enemy,” Lt. Gen. Nayev said.

“We have created a system of engineering barriers, in particular mine-explosive barriers, increasing their amount along the state border. We have created a system of defensive lines and positions,” he said.

Write to Isabel Coles at isabel.coles@wsj.com and Charles Hutzler at charles.hutzler@wsj.com

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Re: WSJ: China threatening to supply guns and ammo to Russia
« Reply #704 on: February 20, 2023, 08:08:46 AM »
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U.S. officials are warning China against supplying Russia with arms and ammunition, as Moscow struggles to gain ground in Ukraine despite deploying almost the entirety of its ground forces in its smaller neighbor.

Concerns that China was considering providing lethal assistance to Russia first surfaced in meetings between officials late last year and early this year, officials said. U.S. officials put their Chinese counterparts on notice in videoconferences and at in-person meetings that China is “nearing a red line” in assisting Russia’s war, the officials said.

With the war approaching the one-year mark, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said publicly this weekend that Washington had information that Beijing was weighing providing lethal support to Moscow, primarily in the form of weapons.

“We’ve made very clear to them that that would cause a serious problem for us and in our relationship,” Mr. Blinken told CBS News in an interview after meeting Saturday with China’s top foreign-policy official, Wang Yi, on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference.

“If there are any thoughts and efforts by the Chinese and others to provide lethal support to the Russians in their brutal attack against Ukraine, that is unacceptable,” Linda Thomas-Greenfield, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, told CNN on Sunday.

The new concerns are being aired as President Biden travels to Poland this week to rally European allies, while Mr. Wang is scheduled to arrive in Moscow on Monday for talks. Russian President Vladimir Putin plans to deliver a major address to Russia’s Federal Council on Tuesday.

“The most catastrophic thing that could happen to U.S.-China relationship, in my opinion, is for China…to start to give lethal weapons to Putin in this crime against humanity,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) on ABC News on Sunday. He said China providing lethal aid “would be like buying a ticket on the Titanic after you saw the movie.”

As the West scrambles to move away from Russian energy sources and imposes sanctions on Moscow, China and India have stepped in to fill the gap. WSJ examines how those countries have boosted Russia’s revenue from oil sales, supporting its economy. Photo illustration: Sharon Shi

Beijing has called for a negotiated settlement in Ukraine. At the same time, China has provided crucial economic and diplomatic support for Moscow, buying up Russian energy and accusing the U.S. and NATO of creating conditions that provoked Russia’s invasion.

Beijing has denied it is aiding the Russian war effort and said its companies conduct normal trade with Russia.

Vice President Kamala Harris said Saturday the U.S. has formally determined that Russian forces and officials have committed crimes against humanity.

Tensions between Beijing and Washington have increased in recent weeks after the U.S. shot down what it said was a Chinese surveillance balloon over the U.S. At the Munich conference, Mr. Wang criticized what he called the “nearly hysterical” reaction of Washington to the balloon.

China is already providing technology that Moscow needs despite sanctions and export controls, according to a recent Wall Street Journal review of Russian customs data. The customs records show Chinese state-owned defense companies providing goods that have civilian and military uses, shipping navigation equipment, jamming technology and jet-fighter parts to sanctioned Russian government-owned defense companies.

Russia has also continued to purchase and deploy commercially available Chinese drones to target Ukrainian forces on the battlefield.

On the ground in Ukraine, the war has intensified in recent weeks as Russia hastens to capture the remainder of the eastern Donbas region before Kyiv receives better and heavier weapons pledged by its Western allies. Ukraine is bracing for a possible further escalation in fighting in the run-up to the first anniversary of the invasion later this week.

Ukrainian forces said they repelled Russian attacks along the front line in the east of the country, as Russian forces attacked Ukrainian positions, the General Staff of Ukraine’s armed forces said Sunday, including around the city of Bakhmut, which has become an epicenter of the war in recent months.

The war has come at a huge cost. Russian armed forces and private military contractors fighting alongside them have lost 40,000 to 60,000 troops and suffered up to 200,000 casualties, which includes troops killed or wounded in action, the U.K. has said.

Ukraine doesn’t disclose figures for its dead and wounded, though Western officials have estimated some 100,000 casualties among Ukrainian troops.

Russia’s Defense Ministry said Saturday it had captured the village of Hryanykivka in Ukraine’s northern Kharkiv region. Ukraine said Sunday its forces had repelled an attack in the vicinity of the village.

The Ukrainian General Staff said its forces had pushed back an attack on the eastern city of Bakhmut and the nearby villages of Ivanivske and Chasiv Yar, as Moscow’s forces push to encircle the city after months of failed assaults.

The Russian paramilitary Wagner Group said it had seized the village of Paraskoviivka on the northern edge of Bakhmut on Friday. While Ukraine hasn’t confirmed that, the General Staff on Sunday said it had foiled a Russian attack on the nearby village of Berkhivka, suggesting that Paraskoviivka was no longer under its control. 

Kyiv’s Western allies are rushing to equip Ukrainian forces with the means to prevent Russia from making further inroads now while building up for a counteroffensive in the coming months. Ukrainian officials have vowed to retake all of the territory occupied by Russian forces, though some Western officials and analysts say that goal is unrealistic.

While Kyiv has recently lobbied the West for tanks and jet fighters, the immediate priority is ammunition, which Ukraine is burning through faster than its allies can supply.

The European Union is exploring ways for member countries to team up to buy munitions for Ukraine.

“These are not normal times; these are extraordinary times. And therefore, we should also look at extraordinary measures or procedures,” European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen told reporters at the Munich Security Conference on Saturday.

Ahead of the war’s anniversary, Lt. Gen. Serhiy Nayev, commander of the Joint Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, played down concerns about a renewed Russian thrust from neighboring Belarus, which served as a staging ground for the initial invasion last year.

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko last week said he would allow Russia to use the country as a springboard for further attacks on Ukraine, but that Belarus would only send troops of its own if it was attacked. The two countries launched a series of joint military exercises along the border last month.

“These forces are not sufficient for a ground offensive at the moment, but what may happen in the future depends on the intentions of the enemy,” Lt. Gen. Nayev said.

“We have created a system of engineering barriers, in particular mine-explosive barriers, increasing their amount along the state border. We have created a system of defensive lines and positions,” he said.

Write to Isabel Coles at isabel.coles@wsj.com and Charles Hutzler at charles.hutzler@wsj.com

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Re: WW3
« Reply #705 on: February 20, 2023, 08:11:20 AM »
As we here have predicted , , ,

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Re: WW3
« Reply #707 on: February 21, 2023, 10:36:06 AM »
just wondering

what if we had invited Russia to join NATO

I know NATO was to protect Europe from the Russian bear

but what if we had a real detente with Russia and made them an ally with us against the bigger threat China.

Not clear if I am simply dreaming or if this was even possible
but just wondering...

if Russian in Nato would they still have taken ukraine or Crimea for that matter
  maybe - I just don't know

too complex for me.
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Re: WW3
« Reply #708 on: February 21, 2023, 10:41:40 AM »
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule

just wondering

what if we had invited Russia to join NATO

I know was to protect Europe from the Russian bear

but what is we had a real detente with Russia and made them an ally with us against the bigger threat China.

Not clear if I am simply dreaming or if this was even possible
but just wondering...

if Russian in Nato would they still have taken ukraine or Crimea for that matter
  maybe - I just don't know

too complex for me.

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Re: WW3
« Reply #709 on: February 21, 2023, 11:07:54 AM »
interesting

It seems like Putin broached the possibility but no one on our side took it too seriously

and OTOH not clear to me how serious Putin was really interested in being a real "partner " in NATO or simply be able to neutralize it for a power grab

we leaders foolishly and stupidly trusted China for too long an look how that turned out

though even pedestrian civilians like ourselves here could see how they were ripping us off and building up their military
while we footed the R & D bill.  What dopes our leaders were .

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Re: WW3
« Reply #710 on: February 21, 2023, 09:43:57 PM »
Our government never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

On the other hand, Russia seems to have dodged a bullet by being separate from the decadent and dying west.



interesting

It seems like Putin broached the possibility but no one on our side took it too seriously

and OTOH not clear to me how serious Putin was really interested in being a real "partner " in NATO or simply be able to neutralize it for a power grab

we leaders foolishly and stupidly trusted China for too long an look how that turned out

though even pedestrian civilians like ourselves here could see how they were ripping us off and building up their military
while we footed the R & D bill.  What dopes our leaders were .


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Re: WW3
« Reply #712 on: February 22, 2023, 07:32:39 AM »
Some major gaps in logic there for me:

The Germans were backstabbing the Poles, the Ukes, and NATO with the Nordstream 2 (and 1) all the while shirking financial obligations to NATO.  I have no conceptual problem with the idea of taking away the backstab option for them.   Fukk them.




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Re: WW3
« Reply #716 on: February 26, 2023, 07:21:11 PM »
Biden pushed Russia to China and Iran
https://twitter.com/i/status/1629524540953862144

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Re: What WW III might look like
« Reply #718 on: February 27, 2023, 04:14:55 AM »
https://www.donshift.com/blog/predictions-what-world-war-iii-might-look-like

"The two world wars didn't threaten the US until we inserted ourselves into the messes that began the chain of events. Through the eyes of history, future civilizations will wonder why the US got involved in European wars and an Asian war of conquest."

  - Lost me there. 
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Re: WW3
« Reply #719 on: February 27, 2023, 11:25:01 AM »
I enjoyed the maps but found some of the commentary to be glib isolationism e.g.

"China/Taiwan...  Of course, the United States has ... no real ... economic interest ... involved.

Without even getting into the geopolitics, Taiwan's role in superconductors alone makes this a very dumb statement.

WW2 began with an axis of Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia/Soviet Union and Imperial Japan bent on conquest.  The idea that we had the option of sitting that out is infantile.

OTOH I can't say that I could give a coherent explanation as to why we got in WW1.

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Re: WW3
« Reply #720 on: March 01, 2023, 05:07:04 AM »

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Meanwhile in China...
« Reply #721 on: March 01, 2023, 07:44:26 AM »


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Re: WW3
« Reply #723 on: March 03, 2023, 11:18:47 AM »
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Re: These idiots won’t be happy until we a trading nukes with Russia
« Reply #724 on: March 03, 2023, 11:35:00 AM »
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1630894801590657024/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1630894801590657024&currentTweetUser=mtracey

Is it this?
https://twitter.com/mtracey
"Pro-Ukraine accounts boasting about apparent drone strike in Moscow area. Not long ago the idea of the US sponsoring aerial bombings in Moscow would’ve sounded insane. Today, it’s hardly even noticed. The “boiling frog” escalation strategy has successfully habituated the public"
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In my previous post I may have said, "No one is attacking inside Russia.  They are attacking Russian troops inside Ukraine."      Ooops.

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Re: WW3
« Reply #725 on: March 03, 2023, 11:49:11 AM »
Arguably a distinction can be made if we are not supplying the drone(s) in question, but such niceties are not likely to be noticed in the fevered heat of escalation.

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Iran and the Red Sea
« Reply #726 on: March 03, 2023, 02:04:37 PM »
Ya had a very interesting post on the Money thread thinking out the consequences of a major disruption to world oil for BTC.

To the thorough consideration of variables of the article, I would like to add a bit more:

As Iran goes nuke, the chances of the Straits of Hormuz go up significantly.  To this I would like to add that feeling emboldened by being a nuclear power (with missiles that can reach Israel and Europe) they could up their play for Yemen.   What I think that many miss is that Yemen is a choke point for the Red Sea and with it the Suez Canal.  The consequences would not only be for oil, but for all the trade that flows through there.
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Re: Nuclear Attack Map
« Reply #728 on: March 03, 2023, 07:34:05 PM »
Note well these folks sell survival gear haha.

Have not read this yet.

https://www.mirasafety.com/blogs/news/nuclear-attack-map?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=campaign&nb_klid=01GF68BQP2GZ5JP5G1C11WXPZG&_kx=X6GDvEqnTVJ-x0d_b_yNihFiRFEan1ZhTKtxRLY02rE%3D.Mb9Ceg

Potassium iodide is useless for middle aged adults and beyond, but essential for children and young adults in the proper dosages.

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We will lose
« Reply #729 on: March 04, 2023, 11:11:47 AM »
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2023/03/04/yeah-well-beat-russia-china-in-a-two-front-ww3/#more-296023

Good thing we sent most of our weapons to Ukraine. Maybe we can buy some of them back on the black market!
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Nord Stream's Tap on the Shoulder
« Reply #734 on: March 08, 2023, 08:14:20 PM »
Nord Stream's Tap on the Shoulder
https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/nord-streams-tap-on-the-shoulder?sd=pf


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Outside everyone's interest in knowing "who'dun'it" in the blowing up on the Nord Stream pipeline in the Baltic Sea, there has yet to be an full appreciation of the larger meaning of its destruction.

1937's bombing of Guernica gave a preview of what would befall Europe's cities just a few years later. The Russo-Ukrainian War is giving hints of what has changed over the last few decades that should give everyone pause to review their assumptions and critical vulnerabilities. Small and medium wars are good for that - they give hints to issues that will arise in future large wars.

While it is easier to understand, even in the face of "sea blindness," the importance of the trade that arrives by ship, food and fuel at the top of the list, from the man on the street to policy makers in nations' capitals, the importance of what lies on the sea bed is lost to most.

Though focused on the UK, our friend Alessio Patalano today has an article up at the Council on Geostrategy,  Unseen but Vital: Britain and Undersea Security, that is worth an investment in your time for a quick read;

The first and third aspects of today’s maritime century have direct relevance to undersea security. Maritime connectivity is both a function of, and a key driver behind, contemporary prosperity. It is a well-known fact that some 90% of global trade is carried by sea, yet it is a less well-known fact that some 99% of the world’s communications are delivered by 1.4 million kilometres of submarine cables. Of no less significance, a substantial part of gas and electricity resources is delivered through a series of undersea connectors.

...between 2010 and 2021, the capacity of energy interconnectors has increased to unprecedented levels. According to official data, electricity imports to the UK increased almost tenfold, with HM Government planning to expand the country’s capacity from 7,440 megawatts to 18 gigawatts by 2030.

Within this context, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, and the Republic of Ireland are primary energy trade partners for the UK, with new interconnectors set to link the UK to Germany and Denmark in the near future. The undersea security of Northern Europe is indivisible from the security of the UK.

By a similar token, much of the UK economy and social services rest upon the continuous and uninterrupted use of undersea cables delivering data connectivity. As one informed observer recently noted, a disruption to the network of the approximately 60 British undersea cables would have potentially devastating consequences. Incredibly diverse aspects of life in the UK, from multimillion international bank transactions to medical activities resting on access to cloud-based access to data, would be at risk if a sufficient number of cables were severed or sabotaged.

As we covered in a FbF back in 2009, attacking undersea cables dates back to the 19th Century - but the modern reliance on what is on the sea bed is orders of magnitude greater than just telegraphs were back then.

Getting to them is not easy ... but life once they are cut is even less easy.

Time to think about what is needed to keep them secure, especially in any time of heightened tensions...but in an era of international terrorism, is there really a time of peace for vulnerable targets?

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The Cable Cutting Meme gathers momentum
« Reply #735 on: March 09, 2023, 01:53:10 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wartime-scenario-unfolds-taiwan-suspects-chinese-ships-cut-undersea-internet-cables?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1288

"Wartime Scenario" Unfolds As Taiwan Suspects Chinese Ships Cut Undersea Internet Cables
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BY TYLER DURDEN
WEDNESDAY, MAR 08, 2023 - 12:05 PM
According to Taiwanese authorities, on Feb. 2, a Chinese fishing boat damaged an undersea communications cable that connects Taiwan's main island to Matsu Islands. About one week later, a Chinese cargo ship severed another cable.

Located approximately 30 miles off the coast of China, the tiny island of Dongyin has quickly established a backup communication system, as reported by the WSJ. The new system uses a high-powered microwave radio to transmit data to Taipei. WSJ described the disruption as a "wartime scenario" and "in a potential preview of a Chinese attack."



Taiwan has a network of fourteen undersea fiber-optic cables, some buried as shallow as 6 feet below the seabed. These cables are critical as they provide 95% of the island's data-and-voice traffic.



If Western military planners learned anything from the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia made a considerable effort to severe internet infrastructure in the Eastern European country in the early days of the war.

The Ukraine war has demonstrated how vital the internet can be to a smaller country facing invasion, for both mustering global support and coordinating resistance. If China were to cut Taiwan's cables, most of the island would be thrown offline, leaving it vulnerable. --WSJ

The loss of internet across the Matsu Islands has alerted Taiwan to the potential national security threat posed by Beijing, which considers the island nation part of China and has expressed intentions to take control of it.

WSJ said no evidence so far supports Beijing intentionally cut Matsu Island's internet. Taiwanese officials have theorized that illegal Chinese sand dredging around the tiny island exposed the cables and allowed for accidental damage by vessels.

However, Taiwanese lawmakers warn:

"If an internet outage can happen on Matsu, the same could happen in Taiwan," said Wen Lii, director of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party in Matsu's Lienchiang county.

And there's good news for Taiwan -- just like Ukraine -- satellite-based internet service Starlink offered by Elon Musk's SpaceX provides high-speed internet that neither Russia nor China can fully disrupt.

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Re: The Cable Cutting Meme gathers momentum
« Reply #736 on: March 09, 2023, 07:27:30 PM »
Gee, I wonder if China and Russia know who blew up Nord Stream and have decided it’s now fair game.



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wartime-scenario-unfolds-taiwan-suspects-chinese-ships-cut-undersea-internet-cables?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1288

"Wartime Scenario" Unfolds As Taiwan Suspects Chinese Ships Cut Undersea Internet Cables
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BY TYLER DURDEN
WEDNESDAY, MAR 08, 2023 - 12:05 PM
According to Taiwanese authorities, on Feb. 2, a Chinese fishing boat damaged an undersea communications cable that connects Taiwan's main island to Matsu Islands. About one week later, a Chinese cargo ship severed another cable.

Located approximately 30 miles off the coast of China, the tiny island of Dongyin has quickly established a backup communication system, as reported by the WSJ. The new system uses a high-powered microwave radio to transmit data to Taipei. WSJ described the disruption as a "wartime scenario" and "in a potential preview of a Chinese attack."



Taiwan has a network of fourteen undersea fiber-optic cables, some buried as shallow as 6 feet below the seabed. These cables are critical as they provide 95% of the island's data-and-voice traffic.



If Western military planners learned anything from the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia made a considerable effort to severe internet infrastructure in the Eastern European country in the early days of the war.

The Ukraine war has demonstrated how vital the internet can be to a smaller country facing invasion, for both mustering global support and coordinating resistance. If China were to cut Taiwan's cables, most of the island would be thrown offline, leaving it vulnerable. --WSJ

The loss of internet across the Matsu Islands has alerted Taiwan to the potential national security threat posed by Beijing, which considers the island nation part of China and has expressed intentions to take control of it.

WSJ said no evidence so far supports Beijing intentionally cut Matsu Island's internet. Taiwanese officials have theorized that illegal Chinese sand dredging around the tiny island exposed the cables and allowed for accidental damage by vessels.

However, Taiwanese lawmakers warn:

"If an internet outage can happen on Matsu, the same could happen in Taiwan," said Wen Lii, director of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party in Matsu's Lienchiang county.

And there's good news for Taiwan -- just like Ukraine -- satellite-based internet service Starlink offered by Elon Musk's SpaceX provides high-speed internet that neither Russia nor China can fully disrupt.



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Nordstream who?
« Reply #739 on: March 17, 2023, 06:55:38 AM »
MSM silence on this matter is deafening. 

funny how no one seems to know who did it.

funny the Germanics as far as we do not hear in the US MSM are silent about it.
(unless they are not and the US MSM has blacked it out)
how could this be if not some conspiracy .


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Re: Nordstream who?
« Reply #740 on: March 17, 2023, 07:01:31 AM »
MSM silence on this matter is deafening. 

funny how no one seems to know who did it.

funny the Germanics as far as we do not hear in the US MSM are silent about it.
(unless they are not and the US MSM has blacked it out)
how could this be if not some conspiracy .

The Germans are being force fed the "Uke supporters on a sailboat did it" lie our malignant retards in Langley came up with.

Russia and China know.

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« Reply #741 on: March 17, 2023, 11:34:28 AM »
The Ukes certainly had motive.

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The implications of China's green lasers over Hawaii.
« Reply #742 on: March 17, 2023, 12:42:59 PM »
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China’s Green Lasers Over Hawaii Signal a Coming War: Expert
Richard D. Fisher Jr. (L), International Assessment and Strategy Center, gives a book titled "China's Military Modernization" to Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) after a Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing on China’s Worldwide Military Expansion at the Rayburn House Office Building at U.S. Congress in Washington on May 17, 2018. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)
Richard D. Fisher Jr. (L), International Assessment and Strategy Center, gives a book titled "China's Military Modernization" to Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) after a Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing on China’s Worldwide Military Expansion at the Rayburn House Office Building at U.S. Congress in Washington on May 17, 2018. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)
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The appearance of China’s green lasers over Hawaii signals a coming war, warns Rick Fisher, a senior fellow at International Assessment and Strategy Center.

In late January, Japanese astronomers stationed in Hawaii noticed mysterious green laser beams being fired over the island. The laser beams are being shot down from space over one of the largest mountain ranges in Hawaii.

When they first reported these beams to the public, the astronomers said they came from a NASA satellite—they were thought to be American lasers. But just a week later, the Japanese astronomers issued a correction saying that the green laser beams were not from a U.S. satellite, but instead, they were more likely from a Chinese satellite.

According to NASA’s assessment, it was likely caused by China’s Daqi-1 satellite, which is a “Chinese atmospheric environment monitoring satellite” launched in April 2022.

“This weather satellite passing over Hawaii, shooting its lasers, its atmospheric measuring lasers, down from on high is very much a signal to the United States that if there is a confrontation over the future of democratic Taiwan, they are ready to target American military forces, which will definitely impact American civilian lives in the state of Hawaii,” Fisher told the “China in Focus” host on NTD, the sister media outlet of the Epoch Times.

The expert disagreed that the Daqi-1 satellite is solely for environmental research.

“While this satellite indeed can be used to advance environmental research, the lasers that it uses to assess the atmosphere can also be used to provide key measurements of atmospheric density, wind direction, all of which are essential for the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to be able to target its latest weapons known as hypersonic glide vehicles,” he said in the interview.

“In reality, this is a classic example of a Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s dual-use system,” he noted.

Hypersonic Glide Vehicle
According to Fisher, the hypersonic glide vehicle is designed to exploit low altitudes as it travels at speeds above five times the speed of sound.

“Now, at that speed, a hypersonic glide vehicle is very vulnerable to changes in the weather, minute changes in atmospheric density, the change in direction of the wind,” he said.

“So, the PLA would want the Daqi-1 satellite or a satellite with that capability, to have reconnoitered the weather over the target, the weather over Hawaii, the weather over Pearl Harbor, it wants the hypersonic glide vehicle to be as accurate as possible,” he added.

He said that its ability to travel at lower altitudes enables the satellite to avoid radar detection until it approaches the target.

“It means less time for the Americans to mobilize missile defenses, if they have them, or to target this missile. And in addition, [the] hypersonic glide vehicle is designed to be maneuverable. So as it approaches the target, it can make evasive maneuvers,” he said.

The fact that the Chinese satellite targeted Pearl Harbor also made the American nuclear attack submarines based there vulnerable to any threat.

“Those submarines would provide a very significant margin of the American deterrent and combat power in the event of confrontation or war,” he said.

“So China would attach an extremely high priority to attacking Pearl Harbor and destroying American naval assets, including those submarines,” he added.

Close-Run
According to Fisher, the United States can counter hypersonic glide vehicles with its air-launched ballistic missile (ALBM), which he said: “offers the advantage of being able to intercept the bomber that’s carrying the missile early on in its mission.”

“If the hypersonic glide vehicle missiles are on ships, then the ships can be intercepted and dealt with at a far distance from potential targets as well. But if the missiles are air-launched ballistic missiles, that means the missiles are in the air, [and] it becomes important to try to intercept the missile as far away as possible from the target before the hypersonic glide vehicle becomes a freely maneuvering and evasive target itself,” he said.

The United States has that intercepting capability, he noted. Still, it’s a close-run situation as “the hypersonic glide vehicle is very fast, very maneuverable, and can also execute violent maneuvers.”

“It means that the United States would have to launch a significant number of intercepting missiles in order to be able to assure the destruction of an incoming hypersonic glide vehicle,” Fisher said.

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Re: WW3
« Reply #743 on: March 17, 2023, 01:54:41 PM »
The Ukes certainly had motive.

To antagonize the largest economy in NATO?

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« Reply #744 on: March 17, 2023, 03:14:26 PM »
To eliminate Germany's option of selling out the Ukes for the ease and comfort of a deal with Russia?

Sure!

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« Reply #745 on: March 17, 2023, 05:04:47 PM »

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« Reply #746 on: March 17, 2023, 05:16:57 PM »
The trollery continues!

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« Reply #747 on: March 18, 2023, 10:30:30 AM »
To eliminate Germany's option of selling out the Ukes for the ease and comfort of a deal with Russia?

Sure!

Lots of people have motivation, ability and opportunity, not so much.

I'm sure you know people who know people who are SME on underwater demolitions. I bet they'll tell you the idea that non-state actors doing it from a sailboat is laughable.



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