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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #2156 on: March 12, 2021, 06:12:29 AM »
disarm the law abiding citizens

(while freeing those prisoners who would be more inclined to sympathize with the your side)




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Letters of Marque
« Reply #2161 on: April 09, 2021, 07:26:34 AM »
Remember that language in our Constitution about "letters of marque"?
At the time our Founding Fathers wrote our Constitution, privateering was a thing, so talking about how it does not apply to a rifle while they were all about private warships is rather ignorant.
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https://constitution.org/1-Activism/mil/lmr/lmr.htm?fbclid=IwAR2xheNYcIFwK83Y0eSdIqdBJGkLCN8my4BRwO9DdwhBwsu01ZP1Gr_I3e8#:~:text=Letters%20of%20Marque%20and%20Reprisal%20%20%20,exceed%205250%20marks.%20%2024%20more%20rows%20

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvCX3xjTMPg&t=16s



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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #2164 on: April 19, 2021, 08:37:16 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-calls-for-ban-on-assault-weapons-high-capacity-magazines/ar-BB1friLo

"There's no reason someone needs a weapon of war with 100 rounds, 100 bullets, that can be fired from that weapon. Nobody needs that, nobody needs that," Biden said in the Rose Garden.

   - Further information on this found in the 'needs' clause of the Second Amendment.     [hat tip Glenn Beck]
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The general public doesn't 'need' a gun.  That should be left to the first responders, trained professionals who know how to handle a weapon and when to use it.

Now this:  "I don't believe officers need to necessarily have weapons every time they're making a traffic stop", said Mayor Mike Elliot, Brooklyn Center MN

   - How would they have it ready in that rare situation when they need it if they don't have a weapon on every stop?  Maybe have it loaded and ready, sitting on the front seat and holster up only when you run across a guy like Daunte, charged with armed robbery and history of running from police and warrants.   If the cops don't carry, then don't the homeowners and residents need to?  Or are the bad guys disarming simultaneously - in their imaginary world?

[Every topic in this forum could be called cognitive dissonance of the Left.]










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WSJ: Defense lawyers for Second Amendment?
« Reply #2174 on: July 25, 2021, 01:52:09 AM »
For the elite left, opposition to gun rights is in part a cultural statement of antipathy to red-state values. Yet a small but important part of the progressive coalition—criminal-defense lawyers—can’t afford to treat gun laws as one more culture-war bludgeon. Hence a remarkable amicus brief by a coalition of defense lawyers for the indigent, led by the Black Attorneys of Legal Aid, asking the Supreme Court to expand gun rights in the Second Amendment case it will decide next term.


The case concerns New York state’s stringent gun restrictions. The plaintiffs in New York State Rifle and Pistol Assn. v. Bruen say New York all but prohibits ordinary adults from obtaining a license to bring a firearm outside their home or business, even if they fear for their safety, complete training courses, and have a clean background. They want the Supreme Court to affirm that the Constitution protects that right.

The media are framing the case as a conservative versus liberal clash. Readers remember that Rhode Island’s Sheldon Whitehouse and other Democratic Senators sent the Justices a threatening brief in 2019 suggesting the Court might need to be “restructured” if it accepted a previous gun case out of the Empire State. Now President Biden has empaneled a court-packing commission.


Yet the brief from the criminal defense lawyers, which includes the Bronx Defenders and the Brooklyn Defender Services, argues against the state’s gun laws from a progressive position. “In 2020, while Black people made up 18% of New York’s population, they accounted for 78% of the state’s felony gun possession cases,” the brief says.


It notes that for a defendant, separately having ammunition makes a gun loaded—and that possessing a “loaded” gun without a permit, even if not used, is a “violent felony” that carries a 3.5 to 15-year prison sentence. These lawyers see a reality of gun control that Mr. Whitehouse’s donors don’t.

While the plaintiffs in the case mainly attack New York’s gun “carry” rules, the defense lawyers also argue that their indigent clients have been wrongfully punished for having guns at home. The state’s application process for keeping a gun at home is less restrictive.

America’s gentry progressives figure that gun control should unite their base. Don’t only rural conservatives have guns anyway? Yet more may be realizing the contradiction between gun-control cultural politics and the left’s new criminal-justice priorities. A fissure on gun politics could be coming

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The Left: "only" gun violence is up
« Reply #2175 on: July 26, 2021, 03:55:30 AM »
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/one-nation-under-fire-weeks-132236894.html

therefore to them the problem

is the guns.  :wink: :-(


we still need "better policing"
we just need gun laws
etc etc








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Re: The Left: "only" gun violence is up
« Reply #2176 on: July 26, 2021, 08:22:16 AM »
Must be those white supremacists we keeping hearing about doing all these shootings!

Disparities in gun violence

While no part of the country is immune to gun violence, as ABC News dug into the data, it found that the violence occurs disproportionately in poorer, urban areas -- from Los Angeles to Chicago to New York City.

More than two-thirds of all the gun violence incidents reviewed unfolded in census tracts across the nation, where more than 50% of residents are nonwhite.

Over half of the incidents occurred in the nation's poorest census tracts, where the median household income is $40,000 a year or less. About 17% of shootings occurred in census tracts where people make more than $60,000.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/one-nation-under-fire-weeks-132236894.html

therefore to them the problem

is the guns.  :wink: :-(


we still need "better policing"
we just need gun laws
etc etc

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When a government disarms the public...
« Reply #2177 on: August 17, 2021, 11:28:15 AM »
https://summit.news/2021/08/17/taliban-immediately-moves-to-confiscate-firearms-from-civilians/

What comes next?

If only there were lessons from history we could learn from...


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Knife and scissors control in New Zealand following attack
« Reply #2179 on: September 07, 2021, 10:31:58 AM »
Could somebody please confirm this is a spoof?  We aren't really this stupid, are we?

https://www.oann.com/temporary-knife-control-in-new-zealand-after-stabbing/

OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 6:04 PM PT – Sunday, September 5, 2021
Knives and scissors have been removed from supermarket shelves in New Zealand after a recent stabbing attack. Supermarket chain Countdown said on Saturday, a partial “knife control” would be in effect for several weeks to prevent stabbing attacks going forward.

This decision came after a Sri Lankan national injured six people at a Countdown location in Auckland last Friday. Authorities said the attacker was inspired by the Islamic State to carry out the attack.

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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #2180 on: September 07, 2021, 11:21:25 AM »
srewdrivers are next

Wasn't Gordon Liddy who said he could kill someone with a pencil

( I presume by driving it through the nose through the cribiform plate into the brain)

If there is a another way from experts here I am all ears,

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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #2181 on: September 07, 2021, 02:33:58 PM »
I once dealt with a inmate who shoved a golf pencil through his cell mate’s eye and into the cell mate’s brain.

I have seen many stabbing with golf pencils in custody environments.



srewdrivers are next

Wasn't Gordon Liddy who said he could kill someone with a pencil

( I presume by driving it through the nose through the cribiform plate into the brain)

If there is a another way from experts here I am all ears,

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Re: We the Well-armed People (gun and knife rights stuff )
« Reply #2182 on: September 07, 2021, 03:03:33 PM »
".I once dealt with a inmate who shoved a golf pencil through his cell mate’s eye and into the cell mate’s brain.

I have seen many stabbing with golf pencils in custody environments."

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I have not seen so many  :-o

That said making the point about how ludicrous it is to take knives off the shelves

so behind screw drivers are pencils pens

corkscrews?

sharpened chop sticks?

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Defensive Gun Use
« Reply #2183 on: October 06, 2021, 01:36:53 AM »
Guns are used more in self-defense than in crimes

The frequency of defensive gun uses significantly strengthens gun ownership

By Tim Hsiao

The latest research confirms that guns are used more in self-defense than they are in crimes. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, there were around 480,000 criminal uses of guns in 2019. Although this number might seem significant when viewed in isolation, existing research has consistently shown that the number of annual defensive gun uses vastly exceeds criminal uses.

A 2013 review of the literature by the National Research Council found that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million.” At the time of the 2013 report, there were nineteen surveys on the frequency of defensive gun uses. All found that defensive gun uses were prevalent. The vast majority of these surveys indicated that there are at least a million annual defensive gun uses. Of these, the most reliable survey found at least 2.1 million defensive uses of guns each year.

Confirming this scholarly consensus, two recent studies lend strong confirmation to the idea that defensive gun uses vastly outnumber criminal uses, with one finding that there is 1.67 million defensive gun uses each year.

The 2021 National Firearms Survey, directed by William English of Georgetown University, surveyed more than 54,000 Americans and identified 16,000 gun owners. They were then asked a battery of questions related to their ownership of firearms. Five methods were used to ensure truthful answers. Mr. English’s survey utilized the largest sample size of any study that has ever been conducted on defensive gun use, being nearly ten times greater than that of the next largest survey. Mr. English found that “guns are used defensively by civilian firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%), no shot was fired.” Mr. English found that more than half of defensive gun uses occurred in situations involving two or more assailants, highlighting guns’ importance as equalizers. Besides producing an estimate of defensive gun uses, Mr. English also found that: 81.4 million adult Americans own guns. 57.8% of gun owners are male, 42.2% are female. 25.4% of Blacks own firearms. Handguns are the firearm most commonly used in defensive incidents (65.9%), followed by shotguns (21.0%) and rifles (13.1%). A majority of gun owners (56.2%) indicate that there are some circumstances for which they carry a handgun for self-defense. About a third of gun owners (34.9%) have wanted to carry a handgun for self-defense in a particular situation, but local rules prohibited them from doing so. 30.2% of gun owners, about 24.6 million people, have owned an AR-15 or similarly styled rifle. 48.0% of gun owners have owned magazines that hold over ten rounds.

The second study, published by Gary Kleck in the American Journal of Criminal Justice, analyzes three CDC surveys conducted in 1996, 1997, and 1998. These surveys collected information about defensive gun uses as part of the CDC’s Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System. However, for unclear reasons, the results were never published by the CDC.

Mr. Kleck analyzed the raw data and found that these three surveys each yielded estimates of defensive gun uses that were far greater than the number of criminal uses. According to Mr. Kleck, “these three CDC-based estimates average 1,109,825 DGUs per year for the period 1996–1998.” These results are consistent with other survey research for that time period.

Why didn’t the CDC publicize the findings of its surveys? We can only speculate, but one plausible answer is that the survey results would have been against the stated goals of the Clinton administration. Further gun control measures would be a hard sell if the government’s surveys showed that guns are used more in selfdefense than they are in crime.

Mr. Kleck is also the author of another study published this year in the Archives of Suicide Research, which found that gun ownership does not affect the number of overall suicides. Although gun availability does relate to how people choose to kill themselves, it does not affect the number of people who commit suicide.

Defenders of gun control frequently argue that defensive gun uses are infrequent. They will often appeal to the federal National Crime Victimization Survey findings, which yields estimates of around 70,000-100,000 annual defensive gun uses. However, these results are at odds with more than 20 surveys on the frequency of defensive gun use. Indeed, the NCVS estimates are the sole outlier. How could the NCVS yield such a low number? The problem with appealing to the NCVS is that it never actually asks respondents about defensive gun uses. Instead, respondents have the option to volunteer this information if they indicate being the victim of a crime. As such, it is hard to take the NCVS seriously as being a reliable estimate of defensive gun use, given that it doesn’t even field a single question about that topic. All other survey research explicitly designed to measure the frequency of defensive gun uses has shown that defensive gun uses are much more common than criminal uses. The latest research hammers in more nails in the coffin for the rare DGU thesis. The three CDC survey results are particularly telling, as it is from a source that is commonly perceived as anti-gun.

Mr. English’s survey results provide insights into the nature of gun ownership that is useful in shaping the direction of policy debates over gun ownership. In particular, his findings that nearly onethird of gun owners possess an AR-15 style rifle and that half of gun owners have owned magazines holding over ten rounds (which some states classify as “large-capacity”) shows that they are in common use, contrary to those who claim that they should be restricted because they are unusual and limited to military applications.

His finding that 80% of defensive gun uses do not involve a shot being fired. More than half include situations with two or more assailants, shows that guns function as a vital force multiplier that equalizes disparities between victims and their offenders. The fact that guns are rarely fired in self-defense situations also shows that they are safe for both victims and offenders.

While the latest research provides further reasons to oppose gun control measures, the ultimate basis of the individual right to own a gun is not a balancing test of costs and benefits. The point of a right is to offer protection against competing interests, especially when these interests involve a majority against a minority. As such, the basis of rights cannot be a cost/benefit analysis, nor can such studies ordinarily override rights, especially rights that are a direct means of protecting the most important right: the right to life.

The right to own a gun does not depend on the number of defensive gun uses, but the frequency of defensive gun uses significantly strengthens gun ownership.

Tim Hsiao is Assistant Professor of Phi-losophy and Humanities at Grantham University. His popular writings have appeared in The Federalist, Human Events, Quillette, Public Discourse, and the Foundation for Economic Education. His website is https://timhsiao.org

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DC ghost gun law challenged
« Reply #2184 on: October 12, 2021, 02:44:17 AM »
DISTRICT

Resident sues city again over ‘ghost gun’ law

Man says ban violates Second Amendment right

BY EMILY ZANTOW THE WASHINGTON TIMES

A D.C. resident who won a 2008 landmark Supreme Court case to stop the city from banning all handguns is back in with another lawsuit over a new law prohibiting “ghost guns.”

Dick A. Heller, who lives in Southeast Washington, argues the law barring so-called ghost guns, or homemade polymer-based guns without serial numbers, is too far-reaching.

“The District legislation in question is so poorly thought out and written that the city council has managed to criminalize the possession of a vast array of popular, common handguns that it regularly allows residents to register, including the very handgun it issues to its police officers,” according to the suit.

The D.C. Council lauded the law as a way to tamp down on unserialized guns used by criminals that cannot be traced by police. In 2019, the Metropolitan Police Department reported it recovered 116 ghost guns, which it said “have become more prevalent” because the parts can be purchased online and assembled in a person’s home.

Mr. Heller, however, says the law violates his Second Amendment right to bear arms. He made the same argument in a previous lawsuit targeting the city’s blanket ban on handguns, and the high court eventually ruled 5-4 in his favor.

The District’s elected officials, he said, have long “adhered to a cynical policy of ‘self-government for me, but no self-defense for thee.”

The city’s legislation defines a ghost gun as “a firearm that, after the removal of all parts other than a receiver, is not as detectable ... by walk-through metal detectors.” When all parts besides the receiver are removed from a gun, all that is left is the polymer frame — which is not made of metal. Thus, the suit claims the city “has apparently unwittingly made ... existing polymer frame handguns illegal.”

“It may very well be the case that the District City Council and the District Government are so lacking in knowledge of firearms technology that they simply do not know what they have done,” the suit states.

Mr. Heller is joined by two other D.C. residents in the suit, Andrew Hanson and Elby Godwin, who both claim they are worried their polymer-based guns are now illegal. They are represented by George Lyon of the Virginia-based law firm Arsenal Attorneys.

Polymer-based guns are popular among both civilians and police because they do not have a metal frame, which makes them less heavy and easier to carry, according to the suit. It points to an article at guns.com that states the top 10 pistols sold in 2020 were all polymer based.

The new law adds to a 1976 ban on manufacturing guns in the city without a dealer’s license and Mr. Heller says the statutes prevent him “from making a firearm which is otherwise lawful to register.”

Unfinished handgun frames or rifle receivers for guns are also banned under the new law, which Mr. Heller believes is the reason the gun kit he ordered and had shipped to a city federal firearm licensee for registration was sent back to the manufacturer in April.

“The right to manufacture an arm is equivalent to the right to acquire an arm,” the suit states. “If Mr. Heller cannot acquire the precursor parts for a firearm, such as an unfinished receiver, whatever that is under District law, he cannot make a firearm.” He is seeking damages for the inability to construct a firearm.

The suit also notes the D.C. law is stricter than that of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. The ATF has ruled that the parts do not qualify as firearms because the components, alone, cannot be used to shoot a projectile.

A coalition of nearly 20 state attorneys general sued the ATF in December, arguing its interpretation has caused an uptick in the untraceable guns. Less than three months later, President Biden vowed to direct the Justice Department to issue new regulations for ghost guns as a way to “tackle gun violence.”

Meanwhile, the D.C. gun owners want a judge to declare that the city’s law is unconstitutional and to block its enforcement.

The defendants named in the suit filed last month in D.C. District Court include D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, a Democrat, Attorney General Karl A. Racine and Police Chief Robert J. Contee, III. The Washington Times sent them requests for comment on Monday.

The city officials must respond to the suit by Oct. 18

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Thou shall have a gun
« Reply #2185 on: October 14, 2021, 04:03:48 AM »

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another death from "gun prop"
« Reply #2186 on: October 22, 2021, 07:07:30 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-tears-rust-movie-set-shooting

we need legislation to outlaw all gun props in Hollywood!