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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2951 on: April 07, 2024, 05:11:46 AM »
Is that article from Oct 2023 or now?

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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2952 on: April 07, 2024, 07:13:00 AM »
good question
I just saw it on news yesterday.
but only dates I see are 2024 so likely is old
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Re: Israel, Gaza, WHAT has gone on too long?
« Reply #2954 on: April 08, 2024, 10:57:14 AM »
Relating to Israel and to our foreign policy -

This point in response is so obvious it seems no one says it.

THEY'RE STILL HOLDING HOSTAGES.

The fight back from Israel is NOT what has gone on too long.  Those who raped and murdered are STILL holding hostages.  133 by latest report. 6 of them American.
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It's hard to agree on what Israel's response needs to be, when 40% (UK study) think the attacks of October 7 didn't happen.  (Must be reading George Orwell media.)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13281219/Three-four-British-Muslims-dont-believe-Hamas-committed-murder-rape-Israel-October-7-shocking-poll-claims.html

It happened, and it was worse than any of us can imagine.
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The human shield 'civilians' have their own responsibility (in my view) for the overthrow from within of these terrorists.  If they had done that, immediately, the war would be over.  Instead a majority of them (reportedly) supported the attacks.
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Why are we negotiating the release of some of the hostages, and worrying about the plight of those holding them are you kidding?  Why are we negotiating with terrorists at all.  Why are we tying the hands of those fighting back (while we do nothing except further damage).  What parts of disproportionate response and deterrence of future attacks don't we understand?

Talk about blood on our hands.  Do we want to be complicit enabling future attacks?
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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2955 on: April 08, 2024, 04:19:46 PM »
AGREED.

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Hamas worse than we can imagine
« Reply #2956 on: April 09, 2024, 05:51:16 AM »
https://www.samizdata.net/2024/04/a-palestinian-writer/

"...she skips over some relevant details in that brief word “killed”. Daqqa and his PFLP comrades did not just kill Moshe Tamam, they tortured him to death. They gouged out his eyes and castrated him. Then they murdered him."
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Democrat consultant who voted for Biden is disapointed
« Reply #2957 on: April 10, 2024, 08:26:36 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/could-never-again-happen-again-if-hamas-is-not-wiped-out/vi-BB1lbGBf?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=9f1c882efb3f44e4870715ef155f8d31&ei=32

says this could cost Biden Jewish voters - I will believe only when I see it.

states he is disappointed because he voted for Biden but stil undecided if he would vote for him again

meaning he will
because he will not vote R.

 :roll:

but he does make good point:

the civilian casualty rate in Gaza is far lower then in Mosul  (assuming he is correct)

But Blinks.Biden/Sullivan/Rhodes are "outraged"

nonetheless
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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2958 on: April 10, 2024, 09:10:53 AM »
It would be a potent bullet point if we could verify this:

"the civilian casualty rate in Gaza is far lower then in Mosul  (assuming he is correct)"


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Hamas leader thanks God his children died as martyrs
« Reply #2960 on: April 11, 2024, 04:43:58 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hamas-leader-reacts-to-3-sons-being-killed-thank-god/ar-BB1lpzn2?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=ed5ba2255cf9497aac3d6593c0fa7bca&ei=12

quadruple billionaire (I wonder how he  got that money!)  According to Wikipedia the guy never did anything other then activism

this is the best example yet of explaining why one cannot make a deal with Hamas and they must be destroyed.

Assuming right off that the vacuum will be filled with more Jew haters is likely but not definite.

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second post
« Reply #2961 on: April 11, 2024, 07:01:58 AM »
incapacitating agent gas to use in tunnels:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incapacitating_agent

nothing safe enough.




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WSJ: Israel has no choice but to
« Reply #2966 on: April 16, 2024, 11:10:04 AM »
second

Israel Has No Choice but to Strike Back Against Iran
Those urging restraint after Tehran’s attack are following the same failed strategy that produced catastrophe on Oct. 7.
By Elliot Kaufman
April 16, 2024 12:55 pm ET


What if the Oct. 7 invasion had been “intercepted”? Imagine the same Hamas attack but better Israeli defense, with more than 90% of the terrorists stopped before the border or shortly thereafter, and only minor Israeli casualties. President Biden would probably have done then what he is doing now, in the aftermath of Iran’s intercepted attack: urge Israel not to respond in any serious way. Let Hamas live to try it again.

To learn the lessons of Oct. 7 is to reject that advice after the long night of April 13. Israel will respond to Iran, it announced Monday. It has learned the hard way that air defenses don’t relieve you of the duty to subdue a determined attacker. Hamas’s intent to slaughter Israelis was hardly a secret, but Israel allowed it to survive and grow stronger because its rockets could be intercepted.

It was no harm, no foul. Israel agreed to “take the win” against Hamas—as Mr. Biden now advises with regard to Iran—all the way to catastrophe.

Rocket fire from an Iranian proxy became normal, not worth a response in most cases, until it was too late. It’s the same story with Hezbollah, whose expanding arsenal and occasional rocket fire became facts of life in northern Israel. Another war would have been costly, and what damage were the rockets really doing in the meantime? As the smart set says about Iran today, Hezbollah’s attacks were merely “symbolic.”

Israel never stopped the trickle, so it became a flood. Hezbollah has fired on Israel more than 3,000 times since Oct. 7, depopulating the country’s north. Yet this, too, has become normal. “Man is a creature who can get used to anything,” writes Dostoevsky, and all the more so if it’s the other guy who has to live with the consequences. Biden administration officials now regularly implore Israel not to “escalate” with Hezbollah—that, they say, would cause a war.

The miracle of Iron Dome air defenses for years led Israel to tolerate what no other nation would. Worse, other nations demanded that Israel tolerate it, because Israel suffered little damage. When Hamas crossed a line and Israel responded, as in 2008 and 2014, the world quickly came to demand a cease-fire, no matter how strong and unbowed Hamas remained. Better to restore calm. Better to have peace and quiet.

Amid unprecedented economic growth, Israelis themselves came to worship calm. Politicians and generals rationalized allowing Qatar to send aid money to Gaza, knowing that much of it was being diverted to Hamas. Why? To maintain stability.

The Biden administration does much the same with Iran by issuing $10 billion sanctions waivers and not enforcing oil sanctions. This is money to grease the peace, even though everyone knows Iran uses it to spread war.

For Israel, it all worked until it didn’t. Hezbollah now diverts Israeli troops from Gaza, holds a region of the country hostage and is strong enough to deter a substantial reply. The Houthis in Yemen, another Iranian proxy, have shut down the Red Sea and barely paid a price. You think this will be the last time they do it?

The war in Gaza is now fought on Hamas’s terms, following Hamas’s greatest success, waged in the tunnels Hamas has spent 16 years preparing. It should have been fought after the very first rocket.

Easy for me to say now, but that’s the point. After Oct. 7, Israelis vowed never again to fall victim to such a conceptzia. Israel, and America, has a chance to learn from experience.

Today many restrainers assure us that Iran’s attack on Israel was a mere demonstration, nothing demanding a reply. Never mind that it was the largest drone attack in history, plus 150 or so ballistic and cruise missiles. When it wanted to put on a show in January, after Israel had killed a different Iranian terror kingpin, Iran fired 11 missiles at an Iraqi businessman’s family home and called it a Mossad base. This wasn’t that.

The Biden view of the attack is convoluted: “Iran’s intent was clearly to cause significant destruction and casualties,” spokesman John Kirby says, but no need for an Israeli reply. Claim victory to mask fear.

Telegraphing its intentions but firing a massive barrage suggests Tehran wanted to do as much damage as it could get away with. Bizarre public negotiations, conducted through leaks to third parties in the lead-up to the strike, helped Iran calibrate what it could shoot while securing Mr. Biden’s pressure on Israel not to respond.

The administration is proud of its back-channel work, but it shouldn’t be. Instead of reassuring Iran that it could attack Israel within parameters, Mr. Biden should have left Ayatollah Ali Khamenei fearing how the U.S. would reply.

In telling Israel to move on, Mr. Biden is asking it to recognize Iran’s right to respond to pinpoint strikes in Syria with war on the Israeli homeland. As the head of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said Sunday: “From now on, if the Zionist regime anywhere attacks our interests, assets, figures and citizens, we will reciprocally attack it from Iran.”

If those are allowed to become the rules of the game, would Israel be deterred from disrupting Iran’s command and supply hub in Syria, from which it arms Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the West Bank? A small Israeli surrender in Syria, coerced by a Biden administration desperate for calm, could seed the next war.

Israel is being told again to let the problem fester and accept a tit-for-tat equation, but on worse terms than ever. “It’s only 100 ballistic missiles” is only the latest gruel to swallow, while Mr. Khamenei releases ravings, such as on April 10, about Israeli normalization with Muslim states: “The Zionists suck the blood of a country for their own benefit when they gain a foothold.” The world brushes off the antisemitism. The media doesn’t even report his statements.

Mr. Biden asks Israel to put its faith in deterrence while its enemies become stronger and Israel is the one deterred. When the president threatens that Israel will be isolated, on its own if it defends itself properly, he is asking it to stick to the strategy that left it fatally exposed on Oct. 7 and that it swore off the same day.

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Israeli newspaper: The Sky is Falling
« Reply #2967 on: April 17, 2024, 04:07:26 PM »

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Iron Dome Coordination During Irani Attack "a Miracle?"
« Reply #2968 on: April 18, 2024, 12:21:15 PM »
It does seem an unlikely outcome given the complexity of the multifaceted attack. And some sort of spook stuff could always have played a hand:

Professor of physics, Maximilian Abitbol,  who is also an expert on the defense industry had this to say about the events of Saturday night.

This is a must read.

“I wanted to share something that is much more than a feeling.  Something that comes from a real calculation:  What happened in Israel on last Motzaei Shabbat was not less than the scale of the splitting of the Red Sea.

I am a Professor of physics and I worked for several years in the defense industry in Israel, in projects that are still the cutting edge technologies of the defence of the State of Israel.

When I look at what happened on Motzai Shabbat, on a scientific level - it simply cannot happen!! Statistically.

The likelihood that everything, but really *Everything* works out, does not exist in complex systems  Like the defense systems that were used to defend Israel from the massive Iranian attack.

These systems have never, *but never*, not only in the State of Israel, been tried in real time!!

I took a pencil and dived into the calculations to check the statistic probability that such a result would materialize. 

The large number of events that had to be handled, when each missile or UAV is handled independently (that is, human error or some deviation of one operation, is not offset by other successful operations), compounds the chance of making a mistake.

With all the high technologies, a breach was expected  In the defense of the skies of the State of Israel.

Even if we got 90% protection it would have been a miracle!!

What happened is that everyone, but everyone - the pilots, the systems operators and the technology operators acted as one man, at one moment in total unity.  If this is not an act of G-d, then I no longer know what a miracle is.

It is Greater than the victory of the Six Day War or the War of Independence.  Those wars can also be explained through natural events.

BUT

The rescue that took place for the people of Israel on Motzai Shabbat  is simply impossible naturally.  I believe that this miracle saved the lives of many people from Israel.

If the defense system had failed to intercept a number of cruise missiles, the result would have dragged us into a very complex war.

I wouldn't bet that next time it will work like this without Divine supervision.
The simple proof of what I said is that the managers of the defense industries, who develop and manufacture these systems guarantee no more than 90% success!

And we all saw, with our own eyes  99.9% !!!

Thank You Hashem!!”

M.  Abitbol

https://x.com/HilzFuld/status/1780642231604466027

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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2969 on: April 18, 2024, 02:03:44 PM »
Or maybe we are being lied to?

Anyway, here's Zeihan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4W0FHJ8A0o
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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2971 on: April 19, 2024, 02:14:51 PM »
Well stated!

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David Harsanyi logical look at Israel response
« Reply #2972 on: April 21, 2024, 12:55:01 PM »
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/106132-the-world-is-paying-a-deadly-price-for-barack-obamas-foreign-policy-legacy-2024-04-19

"Axois reports that Netanyahu was reluctant to strike back, while his cabinet wanted to move immediately. The “war hawk” perception of him is a myth, created by the Left because of the prime minister’s open opposition to Obama’s mullah bootlicking."

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Israel is a neocolonialist/ conqueror/ occuppier
« Reply #2973 on: April 22, 2024, 12:25:52 PM »
says the Palestinians and Jihadists and the campus leftist loons :

This is very obvious from this map:

https://cdn.britannica.com/56/67356-050-D67FCB0B/World-distribution-Islam.jpg

you might want to use a magnifying glass to make out the aggressor's massive ill-gotten conquered land gains.

 :wink:
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speaker Johnson holds ground against ambush Burnett
« Reply #2975 on: April 25, 2024, 06:30:54 AM »
The usual ambush interview that occurs when a Patriotic R goes on CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/24/politics/video/house-speaker-mike-johnson-protests-columbia-university-israel-hamas-war-ebof-digvid

She tries to shame him while at same time never mentions the name : *HAMAS*


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Bill O'Reilly: who is behind the Palestinian protests
« Reply #2976 on: April 26, 2024, 05:20:12 AM »

Listen from minute 19:55 to 25:00



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-tabloid-publisher-to-face-more-questions-in-trump-hush-money-trial/ar-AA1nIjKN?ocid=msedgntphdr&cvid=04a36b6ef50c4ef4d1bfbc4778937724&ei=18

Amazing.
Every single radical anti American anti conservative organization has SOROS fingerprints all over it.
He should be tried for treason. And his sons.

Arab countries also funding this, of course.





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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2977 on: April 26, 2024, 08:41:26 AM »
I'm seeing an article but not any video or audio of that length.

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Arafat rejected a primo deal
« Reply #2982 on: April 27, 2024, 11:41:03 AM »



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« Reply #2985 on: May 07, 2024, 03:52:11 AM »

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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2986 on: May 07, 2024, 06:18:30 AM »
we used to play with toy guns Indians and Cowboys....  make believe only

this reminds me of the child soldiers in Africa ......... for real


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WSJ: Magoo's arms embargo and its consequences
« Reply #2988 on: May 09, 2024, 03:47:22 PM »
Striking Back at Biden’s Arms Embargo Against Israel
A draft Senate resolution denounces the weapons betrayal. How will Democrats vote?
By The Editorial Board
Updated May 9, 2024 6:14 pm ET


Democrats hammered Republicans for months to pass U.S. military aid for America’s friends abroad. Now only weeks after the bill passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, President Biden is holding up the weapons Israel needs to prevail in a war for survival. So credit to the Republicans lining up against Mr. Biden’s weapons embargo.


South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham on Thursday rolled out a measure condemning the Administration’s decision to halt weapons deliveries to Israel. All Senate Republicans joined the measure except for Rand Paul of Kentucky.

“I want the Republican Party in the Senate—and I think the House will follow—to firmly state that we believe Israel is a rule of law nation,” Sen. Graham told us. “That they have an ethical, well-regulated military,” that “the weapons that we’re providing to them are necessary for their continued survival, that you have Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran, all dedicated to the destruction of Israel, not the uplifting of the Palestinian people.”

The resolution rehearses the Biden Administration’s many promises of ironclad support to Israel. Yet among other weapons, the measure notes that “since January 2024 the Biden Administration has effectively paused the sale of up to 6,500 Joint Direct Attack Munitions.” These kits offer GPS directions to bombs so they are accurate within approximately 10 feet. They are exactly the precision weapons that reduce civilian casualties in urban warfare. Mr. Biden’s supposed moral stance will make the Israeli operation in Rafah more bloody and costly.

Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will probably try to deny the measure a floor vote. But the House could force Mr. Biden to at least pay some political price for his policy choices. Sen. Graham says he and Sen. Susan Collins of Maine are also looking at ways to push back through the appropriations process.

Mr. Biden’s threat to pull the plug on the main U.S. ally in the Middle East is a watershed moment that will radiate across the world. Other allies will wonder what they’re risking if they cast their lot with the U.S.

“Nations on the fence,” as Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said on the floor Thursday, “will look elsewhere for their own security. And our enemies will be emboldened.” An apt summary of Mr. Biden’s foreign policy.

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Israel, Bret Stephens, Biden's biggest blunder ever
« Reply #2989 on: May 10, 2024, 06:13:47 AM »
Biggest blunder, and that is saying a lot!  Cutting off aid to Israel.

https://dnyuz.com/2024/05/09/president-biden-just-made-his-biggest-blunder/

Also strange if he cared, they just made big deals with the Republican House to get this aid that Biden is cutting off.

Allegedly supplying weapons to this effort is to assist in a war crime.  Not supporting Israel and eradicating Hamas is a worse and more humanly costly war crime.

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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2990 on: May 10, 2024, 05:03:45 PM »
Levin states cutting off aid funded by Congress is unconstitutional
but I am not so sure
I mean Biden is commander in chief.... :|

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Re: Israel, and its neighbors
« Reply #2991 on: May 11, 2024, 07:22:01 AM »
Levin states cutting off aid funded by Congress is unconstitutional
but I am not so sure
I mean Biden is commander in chief.... :|


This is a really good question ccp.

One might recall Trump was impeached for holding up aid to an ally.  But that was Democrats and TDS.

I would side with Biden and the Commander in Chief argument.  If Biden and the Left were telling the truth (and they aren't), that Israel was committing war crimes with our money, then aid should be held up, canceled.

And if Trump wanted to tie cooperation on a criminal corruption issue to the timing and disbursement of aid, so be it.  He has (or had) certain powers.  Our money should give us leverage to further our aims.

But Israel had not changed tactics from when the aid package was put forward BY THIS PRESIDENT and passed by this Congress.  The latest offensive was already planned, announced and known.

Whether or not there are war crimes being committed, we settle these differences in elections.  In the meantime, elected representative and officials need to govern.

What this shows is that the Biden administration put forward the aid package under false premises. They didn't want the money to give to Israel - like they gave to Iran without conditions multiple times; they wanted a big sum of money to not give to Israel, to stop them from protecting themselves.

When their lips move is when you know they're lying.
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Re: Israel, and Hamas
« Reply #2995 on: May 14, 2024, 12:23:24 PM »
From Stephen Green at Instapundit. His closing line tells the story.

https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/lifting-hamass-fog-of-war-reveals-a-very-different-conflict/

SETH MANDEL: Lifting Hamas’s ‘Fog of War’ Reveals a Very Different Conflict.

    The United Nations has announced that the Gaza casualty figures it has been using are bogus and it is adjusting its figures downward.

    “The revisions are taken … you know, of course, in the fog of war, it’s difficult to come up with numbers,” UN spokesman Farhan Haq said at a press briefing in response to a question from JNS. “We get numbers from different sources on the ground, and then we try to cross check them. As we cross check them, we update the numbers, and we’ll continue to do that as that progresses.”

    Ah yes, the fog of war. In fact, the change is due to the fact that the UN has decided to report only “identified” casualties and exclude “unidentified” casualties. Because Hamas uses media reports—itself a gauzy category which includes Hamas-aligned press fronts—to add to its “unidentified” category, there is no excuse for reporting those in the “unidentified” category at all.

    If only there’d been a way to know not to trust the numbers coming directly from Hamas.

    And what are those numbers? Now the UN says about half of its original estimate of women and of children can be disregarded, bringing those totals to about 7,800 and 5,000 respectively. That brings the total number of Palestinian fatalities down by over 11,000, nearly a third of the commonly reported total.

    And that’s not all. The Palestinian statistical agencies are famous for using “under 20” as their marker for separating children and adults. That means among the “children” are likely a number of 18- and 19-year-olds (i.e. not children). Additionally, we know the IDF encounters 16- and 17-year-old militants in the field, meaning a chunk of the “children” are actually combatants. And of course Hamas makes no distinction between combatants and civilians when counting the casualties.

    It’s possible, then—perhaps even likely—that the IDF has achieved a civilian-to-combatant casualty ratio of around 1.5-1, an unheard-of level of precision and civilian protection in urban warfare.

Everything Hamas does boils down to three things: lying, murder, and lying about murder.

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GPF: Postwar Gaza plan
« Reply #2997 on: May 15, 2024, 03:13:46 PM »


Keeping peace. The United States is calling on Arab states to join a postwar peacekeeping force in Gaza, according to the Financial Times. Washington hopes the initiative will fill the power vacuum left after the war there ends until a credible Palestinian security apparatus can be formed. Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Morocco are considering the proposal, while other Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, have rejected it over concerns of being seen as Israel collaborators. Washington isn’t willing to deploy U.S. troops to Gaza, but Arab countries believe that joint efforts should be carried out under U.S. leadership.