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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1900 on: December 14, 2022, 06:48:50 AM »
"we need to get rid of the asylum loophole as well"

THIS NEEDS TO BE FRONT AND CENTER.  EVERYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW IS FLOWING FROM THIS.

"I am dreaming that if we can only change the amendment that states people born here are automatic citizens
and add some limitations
#1 you cannot not be just visiting
#2 you are not simply here on school visa or work visa
#3 you are not here illegally"

YES!

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Voters, 2-1, say ‘amnesty’ makes illegal immigration ‘worse’
« Reply #1901 on: December 14, 2022, 08:44:38 AM »
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/voters-2-1-say-amnesty-makes-illegal-immigration-worse

In the latest Rasmussen Reports survey, voters 46%-23% said that granting amnesty would make the illegal immigration problem in the U.S. “worse.”

Among Democrats, 36% think amnesty makes illegal immigration “better” and 38%: “not much difference.”  Which means almost all others know, amnesty makes illegal immigration worse.

To Democrats, better means more illegal immigration.

I can't believe the lack of outrage over our open border, run by Mexican gangs bringing us human trafficking, deadly fentanyl the largest killer of our people 18-45, allowing an invasion larger than the population greater than all but the two largest states, while enriching and enlarging themselves.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/12/23/fentanyl-now-biggest-killer-americans-18-45-years-old/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1902 on: December 14, 2022, 09:57:21 AM »
"Among Democrats, 36% think amnesty makes illegal immigration “better” and 38%: “not much difference.”  Which means almost all others know, amnesty makes illegal immigration worse."

one important factor I have not ever seen included in these polls

is how many of survey respondents born elsewhere.

one would think many of these are born elsewhere
thus skew the results

are the people answering the survey even citizens , eligible to vote ( or should I say do vote)

anyone can say they are a Democrat or Republican

just wondering

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FA: America needs more immigration
« Reply #1903 on: December 19, 2022, 07:30:19 AM »
We need to be aware of these arguments.

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America Needs More Immigration to Defeat Inflation
Only Foreign Workers Can Alleviate U.S. Labor Shortages
By Gordon H. Hanson and Matthew J. Slaughter
December 19, 2022
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https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/america-needs-more-immigration-defeat-inflation


Consumer prices in the United States rose at an annualized rate of 7.7 percent in October, the ninth straight month above seven percent, thanks to still surging demand and stumbling supply. All eyes are fixed on the U.S. Federal Reserve to cool demand by hiking interest rates. But monetary policy has always worked with long and variable lags, which makes the Fed’s job of trying to shape the decisions of the country’s 122.4 million households, 164.5 million workers, and 35.1 million businesses even more daunting.

There is something else that U.S. policymakers could do to battle inflation, however. They could expand immigration for both skilled and less skilled workers to boost the supply capacity of the U.S. economy. More immigration would help meet today’s excess demand for labor, which over time would limit wage and price growth. In October, there were an astonishing 10.3 million job openings in the United States, 4.3 million more than the total number of unemployed Americans. In the short term, expanding the number of H-1B visas for skilled professionals and H-2B visas for seasonal nonagricultural workers would help employers overcome this acute labor shortage. In the longer term, doing so would also help cool inflation.

THE GREAT IMMIGRATION SLOWDOWN
Despite the sensational headlines about chaos along the U.S.-Mexican border, immigration to the United States has been effectively flat for the last decade. Between 2011 and 2021, the share of the U.S. population that was foreign born nudged up only slightly, from 13.0 percent to 13.6 percent, reflecting a dramatic falloff in foreign labor inflows. Whereas net immigration to the United States was 890,000 arrivals per year during the first decade of the millennium, that number fell by nearly half to 480,000 per year in the succeeding decade.

The immigration slowdown was caused in part by the Great Recession that began in 2007 and the sluggish recovery that followed, which deterred some foreign workers from coming to the United States. But U.S. immigration policy also made it harder for aspiring migrants to enter the country. Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, the United States cracked down on undocumented immigration but kept the supply of temporary work visas fixed. Because each new cohort of temporary visa holders replaces a previous cohort, and because the U.S. economy grows every year, a constant supply of visas is a recipe for an increasingly native workforce.

In 2019, the United States issued roughly the same number of H-1B and H-2B visas as it did a decade earlier. The same is true of J-1 visas for sponsored foreign visitors, many of whom end up working at U.S. universities or research facilities. The only visa category that has grown substantially since 2010 is the H-2A, which grants temporary admission to agricultural workers. After the outbreak of COVID-19, all these programs were temporarily halted as U.S. embassies around the world paused most consular services. Today, most U.S. embassies are slowly restoring their visa-processing efforts, but consular staffing has yet to reach pre-pandemic levels.

The rapid decline in immigration has made it harder for U.S. labor markets to function properly. In addition to offsetting the long-term decline of U.S. birthrates, foreign-born workers have the virtue of being much more mobile than native-born workers. When job growth picks up in one region or drops off in another, workers born abroad are the first to respond, helping reduce regional misallocations in the U.S. labor supply. Without these workers, the U.S. economy can find itself tied in knots, as it has during the pandemic.

The U.S. hospitality industry is a case in point. In 2019, 22.0 percent of job holders in entertainment, accommodation, and food services were foreign born. The pandemic has been particularly hard on businesses in these sectors, making it difficult for them to find workers. And because the supply of U.S. visas has remained stagnant, these businesses have not been able to rely on immigrants to fill their vacancies. By the end of 2021, the share of entertainment, accommodation, and food service workers who were foreign born had slipped to 18.4 percent—a drop of more than 3.5 percentage points. Meanwhile, the job vacancy rate in the hospitality industry has increased markedly; in October 2022, 9.2 percent of jobs in accommodation and food services were vacant, well above the economy-wide rate of 6.3 percent.

WHERE ARE THE WORKERS?

Expanding the H-2B visa program, which authorizes the temporary employment of nonagricultural foreign workers for up to nine months, would be an obvious solution to this problem. Common jobs for H-2B visa holders include restaurant worker, meat processor, and construction laborer—precisely the jobs for which U.S. companies are desperate to hire and for which American workers seem to be chronically scarce.

Yet Congress has set a limit of just 66,000 H-2B visas per year—a tiny fraction of the current 1.8 million job openings in construction and food services alone. For the 2021 fiscal year, an additional 22,000 visas were made available to U.S. employers willing to attest that no American workers were “willing, qualified, or able” to perform the jobs they wished to fill. But with millions more jobs sitting vacant than there are unemployed Americans, this one-time supplement was a drop in the bucket. A much higher cap, as much as ten times the current one, should be authorized for 2023.

Increasing the number of H-2B visas will not crowd out U.S.-born workers. According to research by the economists Michael Clemens and Ethan Lewis, firms that win the H-2B visa lottery and hire foreign workers tend to also slightly increase the number of American workers they employ—and boost their revenues. In other words, foreign workers on H-2B visas complement, rather than replace, U.S.-born workers in less skilled jobs. This finding resonates with a larger body of research showing that immigrant workers have at most a modest effect on the wages of native-born workers.


Why not congratulate every foreign-born graduate with the gift of a visa?

The United States should also dramatically expand the H-1B visa program, which allows U.S. companies to create new jobs for highly educated foreigners for three to six years. Right now, the United States caps the number of new private-sector visas at 85,000—65,000 for workers who possess a bachelor’s degree or higher and 20,000 for workers with at least a master’s degree. For decades, demand for H-1B visas has far exceeded supply. In the 2022 fiscal year, 308,613 people sought H-1B visas before the U.S. government stopped accepting applications.

The low cap on H-1B visas constrains not just the U.S. labor supply but also U.S. productivity growth. Highly skilled immigrants boost innovation in several ways. They generate more patentable ideas and technologies than do U.S.-born workers, and they are more likely to found companies. Companies that scale up their hiring of skilled immigrants also tend to scale up their hiring of native-born workers, underscoring once again that the two categories of workers complement each other. Moreover, skilled immigrants tend to boost the wages not just of skilled native-born workers but also of less skilled native-born workers.

Expanding the number of H-1B visas issued each year would increase U.S. supply capacity by both addressing labor shortages and spurring productivity growth. Perhaps one of the simplest ways to do this would be to give more H-1B visas to foreign-born individuals who have already self-identified as both highly skilled and willing to live in the United States: foreign-born students enrolled at U.S. colleges and universities. Last academic year, there were 914,095 such international students in the United States. This coming spring, why not congratulate every one of these foreign-born students who graduates with the gift of a new H-1B visa?

A POLITICAL WINNER

Given how politically divisive immigration is in the United States, any plan to expand visa programs may seem unrealistic. Critics will inevitably ask how the United States can consider admitting more foreigners when it appears to have lost control of its borders.

But the flow of migrants across the U.S.-Mexican border is hardly unrestrained. Although the U.S. Border Patrol apprehended or expelled a record number of migrants in 2021 and 2022, these numbers give a highly misleading impression of how many people are actually entering the country. In the 2022 fiscal year, for instance, the Border Patrol recorded 2.4 million “encounters” on the U.S.-Mexican border. But of these, 1.1 million resulted in the deportation of migrants to Mexico under Title 42, a provision that the United States has used to summarily expel migrants during the pandemic. Ironically, because Title 42 expulsions leave no record of an entry attempt—and therefore no legal repercussion that might prevent a migrant from trying to cross the border again or even applying for a U.S. visa—its use may have encouraged migrants to rush to the border. The number of encounters therefore likely substantially exceeds the number of individual migrants who have attempted to cross into the United States and, by an even larger margin, the number who have succeeded. Expanding H-2B visas would create an alternative legal entry route.

Those Border Patrol encounters that did not result in expulsion (1.3 million of them in the 2022 fiscal year) largely involved migrants seeking asylum, which the United States grants to those with a credible fear of persecution at home. Some applicants are now in the United States awaiting immigration hearings, which are likely years away; many others have already been denied entry and remain abroad. In another irony, the United States’ success in impeding illegal entry has left asylum as the only viable option for many would-be migrants, probably contributing to the recent surge in asylum applications. For this reason, increasing the number of H-1B and H-2B visas could have the additional benefit of unburdening the asylum system.

Perhaps surprisingly, expanding immigration could also be a political winner. Most Americans are broadly supportive of immigration, although Democrats are more supportive than Republicans. In a national survey in July 2022, Gallup asked respondents, “On the whole, do you think immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?” Seventy percent said “a good thing.” This positive sentiment was widely shared by men (71 percent) and women (68 percent); across major age groups (especially the young—83 percent of those aged 18 to 34); and across all educational cohorts, even among those without any college education (64 percent). Republicans were close to evenly split on the question (46 percent said immigration was a good thing and 45 percent said it was a bad thing), whereas large majorities of independents (75 percent) and Democrats (86 percent) had a positive view. But much of this partisan difference seems to stem from Republican worries about illegal immigration, not legal immigration through channels such as the H-1B and H-2B visa programs.

Support for allowing highly skilled immigrants to enter the United States is even greater and more bipartisan. An August 2022 survey by the Economic Innovation Group found that 71 percent of registered U.S. voters supported more skilled immigrants coming to the country—including 83 percent of Democrats, 60 percent of Republicans, and 72 percent of independents. And a majority of Americans from both parties—82 percent of Republicans and 78 percent of Democrats—said that immigration reform should be a top priority in the next 12 months. Expanding the H-1B and H-2B visa programs should be at the center of any such reform.

EVERY TOOL IN THE TOOLKIT

The sharp increase in inflation and its stubborn persistence have commanded the attention of economic policymakers worldwide. Although there is little agreement over who is to blame, there is widespread acceptance that central bankers will be the ones to slow price increases now. Yet just as the pandemic has exposed new vulnerabilities in the labor market, it has highlighted the need for more expansive policy solutions to resolve supply bottlenecks and labor shortages.

Immigration policy should be part of the anti-inflation toolkit. Expanding the H-1B and H-2B visa programs would immediately ease U.S. labor shortages, which make it more costly to produce goods and provide services—cost increases that companies pass on to consumers in the form of higher prices. The exact extent to which this dynamic is driving the current inflationary trend is difficult to quantify, but there is no question that it is playing a major role and that addressing labor shortages would help. The U.S. government needs to fight inflation with everything it has. More immigration can be part of the solution—if policymakers let it

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arguments are total bogus
« Reply #1904 on: December 19, 2022, 08:54:22 AM »
"The rapid decline in immigration has made it harder for U.S. labor markets to function properly"

50 million people in this country born elsewhere!

"But the flow of migrants across the U.S.-Mexican border is hardly unrestrained"
Sure I believe this statement!

BTW

Hanson is a Harvard prof

Slaughter is a Dartmouth prof

libs hiding behind their credentials to publish propaganda
and making assertions
 that are ridiculous
and untrue


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1905 on: December 19, 2022, 02:20:17 PM »
Also to be noted is the argument that rising wages for the working class are a problem.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1906 on: December 19, 2022, 03:04:54 PM »
"The sharp increase in inflation and its stubborn persistence have commanded the attention of economic policymakers worldwide. Although there is little agreement over who is to blame, there is widespread acceptance that central bankers will be the ones to slow price increases now. Yet just as the pandemic has exposed new vulnerabilities in the labor market, it has highlighted the need for more expansive policy solutions to resolve supply bottlenecks and labor shortages."

I don't know. This sounds like code for

"we cannot secure the border without immigration reform!"

he says nada about 30 million illegals in the country

if they  are so worried about "skilled labor"

why not say

"only college or graduate school grads need apply"

but they mix it all in to one big mix

like shyster crats 

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1907 on: December 19, 2022, 03:06:25 PM »
Yup.

These are the arguments for which we have to be ready.

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Re: FA: America needs more immigration
« Reply #1909 on: December 19, 2022, 08:31:30 PM »
There are economic arguments for legal immigration.  Seems to me legal immigration isn't the issue today.

There are no positive economic arguments I know of for abandoning sovereignty and rule of law.
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1910 on: December 20, 2022, 07:14:54 AM »
There are no positive economic arguments I know of for abandoning sovereign and rule of law.

except it helps shyster crats win at the polls

the entire SW is purple or blue now

W's theory

 let bygones be bygones
  let them all in and win them over
     (with some minor success - but not near enough to win elections)

my theory

   CLOSE THE BORDER

     and win them over .....  with our values
      no big government largess
 
( I admit not clear this is even possible frankly)

case in point

dear BLACKS  vote for us Republicans and for reasons that include freedom. liberty opportunity
    American exceptionalism yada yada)

versus

dear BLACKS  vote for us Dems and we will send you checks for $250,000 to 350,000!
 

good luck with our arguments 
that elephant in the room
said

we still have to try somehow......

I am at a loss on how to reach them.......

confused in NJ
admittedly
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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1911 on: December 20, 2022, 07:56:09 AM »
"CLOSE THE BORDER and win them over .....  with our values no big government largess ( I admit not clear this is even possible frankly)"

We did well with Latinos this past election.  I think social issues (vote for us because they will cut off your son's penis and whack your daughter's breasts, they are batshit crazy and we are not, we are the reason you came) have considerable promise.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1912 on: December 20, 2022, 08:09:59 AM »
and I might add

celebrate
gay pedophiles
shaking there asses in front of children




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WT: Immigrant workers up. American workers down
« Reply #1913 on: December 21, 2022, 05:25:56 AM »
Immigrant workers rebounded past U.S.-born workforce after pandemic

BY STEPHEN DINAN THE WASHINGTON TIMES

There is no shortage of immigrant workers in the U.S. economy, according to a new study released Wednesday that challenges a growing chorus of voices arguing the country needs more foreign labor to keep the economy humming.

Using U.S. Census Bureau data, the Center for Immigration Studies calculated there were 29.6 million foreign-born workers — both legal and illegal immigrants — as of November. That’s up from 27.7 million workers in 2019.

But among native-born workers, the workforce rate is down 2.1 million compared with three years ago, said Steven A. Camarota, chief author of the study and director of research at the center, which advocates for stricter immigration policies.

“If you think that there are missing workers, then it’s the native-born we’re missing,” Mr. Camarota said. “The immigrant labor force participation rate is above what it was in 2019.”

The study comes amid a massive push to open the doors to more newcomers.

From Capitol Hill to the pages of national newspapers to the top of the Federal Reserve, policymakers say a shortage of foreigners is holding back the U.S. economy.

The Washington Post blamed the “anti-immigrant” policies of former President Donald Trump and the pandemic for slashing new immigration by half from 2019 to 2021. The New York Times said a “sharp slowdown” in immigration left the U.S. short 3.2 million immigrant workers, relative to the trend line before 2017.

In a speech late last month, Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell said labor imbalances are fueling the current painful rise in inflation. He said part of that problem is one million “missing workers” due to slower immigration during the pandemic.

Mr. Powell said temporary guest workers have rebounded from pandemic depths, but are still below 2019 rates, while new permanent residents, or green-card holders, are “well below” levels of the last decade. And he said, despite the rise in illegal immigration at the border, the overall number of illegal immigrants may not have increased.

Mr. Camarota said Mr. Powell’s data may have been true at one point, but now it is out of date.

Using the U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey, the monthly survey that the Labor Department uses to calculate employment rates, he found there was a pandemic dip, with working immigrants dropping from 27.7 million in November 2019 to 25.6 million a year later.

But in the ensuing two years, the economy has added back 4 million immigrants to the workforce.

That’s about in line with the trend line dating back to 2010, and significantly above the trend line if it were drawn back to 2000.

It’s also 1.9 million more than there were in 2019.

One place where there is a dearth compared with 2019 rates is among U.S.-born workers.

Before the pandemic, 74.1% of native-born people of working age — between 18 and 64 — were in the labor force. It slipped during 2020 but has recovered, though at 73.5% it remains below the 2019 level.

That works out to 44.9 million U.S.-born working-age Americans not in the labor force.

Mr. Camarota said they may be out for many valid reasons, including disabilities or taking care of children or older relatives. Some are also enticed out of the workforce by economics, figuring the life they can live on government assistance is better than the marginal tradeoff of the wages they could earn in a job.

Mr. Camarota said there are costs to lower workforce participation, including higher rates of substance abuse, crime and obesity.

“We face a stark choice as a country: either we figure out how to get more people back in the labor force who are working age, or we accept all the social problems and pathologies that come with low labor force participation and bring in more immigrants,” he said.

The notion of more immigrant workers tracks with other Center for Immigration Studies research showing overall immigration has soared under President Biden.

Immigrants are now 14.74% of the total population, which nearly matches the all-time high of 14.77% set in 1890.

Among those immigrants, 6.2% came since 2020, and roughly a third came since 2010. Another 27% arrived in the first decade of this century, according to Mr. Camarota’s figures.

He said of those who arrived since the start of the Biden administration, roughly 60% came illegally.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1914 on: December 21, 2022, 07:19:08 AM »
above post good response to previous post from Harvard Dartmouth professors

position that immigration is down and we need MORE people to flood the country and more work visas


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O'Reilly so disgusted with lib lying Cuomo
« Reply #1915 on: December 21, 2022, 09:50:17 AM »
he actually took at a small bottle of booze to take a swig during the interview

cannot find whole interview now but here is the end of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCJAS5cydk

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The Hudson Pravda : Biden *cracks down" on the border
« Reply #1916 on: January 05, 2023, 12:08:12 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/us/politics/biden-border-crossings.html

I listened to part of Biden's propaganda

basically

he allows for illegals to simply more or less to take a ticket while waiting to be released into the US

just come to the border and hold on while *we* find a way to get you in .

he also tells them simply to claim asylum ......

and NYT calls this a "crackdown"

and of course he keeps calling the system broken [when it is not]

and blaming Republicans for not agreeing to *immigration reform*
which is code for making it even EASIER for immigrants to come here en masse

he of course also totally stated a false number for those coming in illegally
not the millions
just "thousands"




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So now what Shaun?
« Reply #1917 on: January 08, 2023, 07:29:05 AM »
ok /biden to "visit the border" as per many Fox news hosts

as Hannity keeps repeating for 2 yrs and then then next comment out of his revolving mouth is "fentanyl"

problem is this is far more than fentanyl

and Biden visiting the border will be turned into a 3 card monty
 that does nothing to stop illegals from flooding in but allows the left wing media
to falsely claim that he is working very hard to "fix the problem "

[by making it even worse - as we here all know he would]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/08/joe-biden-to-finally-visit-u-s-mexico-border-two-years-after-taking-office/

gaslighting shysters continue to destroy this country
Schumer now taking the other strategy - [also expected but i only wondered what took so long]

claiming flooding the country with immigrants is necessary to replenish our younger generation supply to pay for todays and tomorrows seniors

so now we should all just shut up and be grateful for 30. million ( soon to be 35 million illegals)


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biden too will play the sympathy card
« Reply #1918 on: January 08, 2023, 07:36:54 AM »
https://news.yahoo.com/listen-people-side-migrants-mexico-110952368.html

The LEFT : HUMANITARIAN CRISES!

The Right media pundits trying to make this about "criminals", "terrorism" and "fentanyl", "cartels". [while true most who come here are not in that category and misses the point]

WILL NOT WORK AGAINST THE SOB STORIES

HANNITY & COMPANY
ARE DIVERTING THE REAL PROBLEM

can't we come up with better arguments  for God's sakes
instead of beating the same drums that do not work!

 :x





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Even Newsmax thinks we are stupid! ? 3rd and final post on this topic today
« Reply #1919 on: January 08, 2023, 07:43:32 AM »
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/biden-border/2023/01/08/id/1103489/

I can't believe this headline!
Of all the stupid things

for God's sake - he is the President - he KNOWS what is going on at the border

now he will turn this visit around since the found a way to weasel the message to claim he is "clamping" down when he is not

and indeed as noted by Andrew McCarthy making it even worse

For God's sakes why cannot Republicans get their messages straight

just yelling fentanyl , cartels , terrorism while all true is NOT ENOUGH

yes CD we are so f''''d

dreading the BS clown show tomorrow with the media DNC Biden Mayorsky all in sink with their lines prepared to play us for dupes once again tomorrow.




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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1920 on: January 08, 2023, 09:14:08 AM »
I'm reading that authorities have swept a couple of thousand street sleeping migrants out of Prez Magoo's line of sight.

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Biden bows to Venezuela Blackmail
« Reply #1921 on: January 09, 2023, 04:34:41 PM »
Biden Bows to Blackmail on Migrants
The administration rewards Venezuelan trafficking with 30,000 new visas.
Mary Anastasia O’Grady hedcutBy Mary Anastasia O’GradyFollow
Jan. 8, 2023 5:19 pm ET



The Cuban military dictatorship has unleashed three destabilizing rafter crises since taking power in 1959. They occurred in 1965, 1980 and 1994-95, all years when a Democrat was in the White House. During the Obama administration, more than 120,000 Cuban migrants found their way to U.S. ports of entry from 2014-16, mainly via Central America.

There was no attempt by Fidel Castro to flood American shores with desperate balseros during the presidencies of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush or George W. Bush despite their hard-line policies against Cuba. Donald Trump faced caravans arriving at the southern border starting in 2018 but by the end of 2019, the numbers of migrant “encounters” by U.S. Customs and Border Protection had dropped precipitously.

This partisan dichotomy is worth noting in light of the human train-wreck at the southern U.S. border since President Biden took office. Is the migrant crisis merely a spontaneous flood of huddled masses yearning to breathe free, or is it an organized assault on U.S. law and order similar to Castro pranks of old?

Flight data from Venezuela to Mexico collected by the nongovernmental organization Center for a Secure Free Society, or SFS, and interviews the center has done with migrants at the U.S. border suggest the latter. In a paper due out in March, SFS director Joseph Humire presents research to show that Caracas has played a key role in facilitating the migrant spike since 2021.


Using migrants as weapons is essentially an act of war. Yet on Thursday the U.S. announced that it will grant an additional 30,000 visas a month to Venezuelans, Nicaraguans, Cubans and Haitians if they apply from their home countries. Mr. Biden sets a bad precedent in bowing to blackmail as so many of his Democratic predecessors did.

Enemies of Western liberal democracies have a long tradition of sparking migration crises to extract geopolitical concessions from governments that appear vulnerable to extortion. In a 2016 essay in the journal Military Review titled “Migration as a Weapon in Theory and in Practice,” Tufts University political science professor Kelly Greenhill defined the strategy as “coercive engineered migration.”


Weak nations, Ms. Greenhill explained, can capitalize on the desperation of their populations “to achieve political goals that would be utterly unattainable through military means.” Clearly “the idea that states such as Cuba, Haiti, and Mexico could successfully coerce their neighbor, the United States, with the threat of military force is absurd,” Ms. Greenhill wrote. But “the tacit or explicit threat of demographic bombs” to force the U.S. to negotiations, is not. Cuba was successful in this strategy during the presidencies of Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

Ms. Greenhill’s essay doesn’t mention Venezuela but in recent years it may have become the most aggressive practitioner of the geopolitical coercion that she described.

Venezuela wants desperately to get out from under U.S. sanctions imposed by the Trump administration and restore its legitimacy. It made progress last year by forcing U.S. talks with dictator Nicolás Maduro to free American hostages and feigning interest in negotiating a return to democracy. But the large numbers of people desperate to leave the country also scream opportunity.


Many migrants are opponents of the regime, and exile is a way of purging dissidents. But it isn’t enough that they leave. Caracas delights in the destabilizing effects of large numbers of migrants on Uncle Sam’s doorstep. Those eventually employed in the U.S. will send back dollar remittances, which will prop up Venezuela’s economy.

Some seven million people have fled Venezuela since 2014, when the economy hit the skids. But in most of those years, migrants went largely to neighboring countries in South America. When Mr. Biden arrived in the White House, things changed.

Mr. Humire told me last week that “immigration agents encountered nearly 190,000 Venezuelans along the U.S.-Mexico border in the latest fiscal year ending September 30, a 375% increase over the previous fiscal year.” Organized crime trafficked many of those people on land but the evidence collected by SFS suggests that it wasn’t without help from Caracas.

According to SFS, in 2021 and 2022 the majority of the direct flights to Mexico from Venezuela were operated by Conviasa, which is subject to U.S. sanctions, or other, smaller state-owned or state-controlled airlines. SFS found that Venezuelans it interviewed at the border, who had arrived in Mexico by air, had purchased packages from Venezuelan travel agents. The packages included the necessary government-issue travel documents to enter Mexico and contacts with human smugglers who facilitated the ground journey to the U.S. border.

Mr. Biden could clamp down on Mr. Maduro’s trafficking network by imposing sanctions on fuel and service providers to the Venezuelan airlines. Instead, he has opted to reward the exploitation of the refugees. Problem not solved.

Write to O’Grady@wsj.com.

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since Biden is allowing for some to apply for asylum
« Reply #1922 on: January 10, 2023, 11:21:52 AM »
even before they get to the border (conveniently ONLINE no less)

the LEFT has to pretend they find this not to their liking :

so LEFTist Yahoo guy tells story  the Democrats are upset by this policy:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-angers-both-left-and-right-with-new-immigration-policy-173142110.html

Me:
the Left is NOT outraged by this like we are
not equivalent! so don't straw man us that it is .

our side is screwed their side is not . PERIOD!!!( In Gutfeld style  :-D)

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biden puts temporary upper limit on only certain immigrants
« Reply #1923 on: January 13, 2023, 05:58:05 AM »
Nicaraguans, Cubans (most are Republican)
Haitians (why not calls that this is racist?)
and Venezuelans

I cannot find the reasons for this posted anywhere

Isn't it curious that I cannot find anyone asking why just these 4 countries?

Democrats never do anything that is not somehow in their political interests.

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1924 on: January 13, 2023, 09:39:55 AM »
Nicaragua:  Daniel Ortega- commie Caudillo
Cuba:  Post Castro Commie dictatorship
Haiti:  Megafustercluck
Venezuela:  Mega inflation, Hugo Chavez- commie caudillo  (PS a couple of years ago we were hearing of inflation at 1,000,000%.  Was this accurate?  What happened?

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1925 on: January 13, 2023, 10:04:47 AM »
***Nicaragua:  Daniel Ortega- commie Caudillo
Cuba:  Post Castro Commie dictatorship
Haiti:  Megafustercluck
Venezuela:  Mega inflation, Hugo Chavez- commie caudillo  (PS a couple of years ago we were hearing of inflation at 1,000,000%.  Was this accurate?  What happened?***

I hear you but whenever did any of the above stop the Dems from importing voters?

Cubans I can see due to majority vote republ
but I doubt the others are likely to be republican
but maybe...




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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1926 on: January 13, 2023, 10:18:56 AM »
In that the criterion should the rule of law, it should not matter but FWIW those fleeing commies tend to be hard line anti-commies.

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« Reply #1927 on: January 13, 2023, 03:28:31 PM »
quote author=ccp
***Nicaragua:  Daniel Ortega- commie Caudillo
Cuba:  Post Castro Commie dictatorship
Haiti:  Megafustercluck
Venezuela:  Mega inflation, Hugo Chavez- commie caudillo  (PS a couple of years ago we were hearing of inflation at 1,000,000%.  Was this accurate?  What happened?***
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We've now proven we an attract migrants from these "sh*thole countries".

Next step would be to have the entry fee, control and screening responsibility go to the US taxpayer instead of the criminal military terrorist gangs.

Even if we wanted the people, why do we have to take fentanyl, drug and human trafficking with them and build these gangs into rich, powerful nation states?


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WThell?
« Reply #1928 on: January 17, 2023, 07:55:19 PM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/17/watch-republican-maria-salazar-lectures-americans-in-davos-illegal-aliens-are-owed-amnesty/

humiliate America at Davos?

lecture us citizens there ?

what ?

they come here illegally and she lectures us about dignity
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« Reply #1931 on: January 29, 2023, 12:58:53 PM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/17/watch-republican-maria-salazar-lectures-americans-in-davos-illegal-aliens-are-owed-amnesty/

humiliate America at Davos?

lecture us citizens there ?

what ?

they come here illegally and she lectures us about dignity
 :x

The global government operates from there. The WEF calls the shots now.

They have decided that Europe and America are to be genocided by the ClotShot and hordes from the 3rd world.

Wait, you didn't get to vote about that?


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« Reply #1932 on: January 29, 2023, 01:08:40 PM »
".They have decided that Europe and America are to be genocided by the ClotShot and hordes from the 3rd world."

oh, come on .


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« Reply #1933 on: January 29, 2023, 01:14:46 PM »
".They have decided that Europe and America are to be genocided by the ClotShot and hordes from the 3rd world."

oh, come on .

Millions of illegals surging in, why aren't they required to take the ClotShot?



https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/joe-bidens-covid-vaccine-strategy-shots-kids-not-illegal-immigrants

"The Biden administration is being duplicitous regarding COVID. It continues to approve emergency authority and promote COVID-19 vaccines and is now pushing for young children—even babies—to receive risky and needless COVID vaccines. But it simultaneously seeks to terminate the authority for border agents to help reduce the public health risks of COVID. Instead, it keeps our border open to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, permits them to refuse vaccination, and then allows them to travel elsewhere in the country, without consequence."

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1934 on: January 29, 2023, 01:39:49 PM »
***obviously*** it is because the powers to be only want to kill American citizens

as you say


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1935 on: January 29, 2023, 01:46:46 PM »
***obviously*** it is because the powers to be only want to kill American citizens

as you say

You have an alternate explanation?

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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1936 on: January 29, 2023, 02:00:21 PM »
to get as many illegals here as fast as possible


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Re: Immigration issues
« Reply #1937 on: January 29, 2023, 02:52:30 PM »
to get as many illegals here as fast as possible

https://gab.com/Matt_Bracken/posts/109772464658813667

The invasion of America is ongoing, 24/7.
Mostly healthy fighting-age men who do not speak a word of English.

They don't just "appear by magic" at our southern border.
Anybody on the planet can fly to Ecuador with no visa.
From China to Cameroon, they come.

Waiting buses take them to the north of Colombia, where they walk across the Darien Gap in Panama, then they catch river boats to waiting buses that take them to Costa Rica. Then they take more waiting buses country by country right to the U.S. border.

All this is assisted at every stage by the U.N., the U.S. govt, and the NGO "cutouts" who do their bidding. Mayorkas and "Biden" are behind this treasonous invasion up to their eyeballs.

New Ben Bergquam video at link. I was with him, Michael Yon and Oscar Blue in Panama last week.

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« Reply #1938 on: January 29, 2023, 07:23:36 PM »
" I was with him, Michael Yon and Oscar Blue in Panama last week."

???

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« Reply #1939 on: January 30, 2023, 05:50:17 AM »
to get as many illegals here as fast as possible

https://gab.com/Matt_Bracken/posts/109772464658813667

The invasion of America is ongoing, 24/7.
Mostly healthy fighting-age men who do not speak a word of English.

They don't just "appear by magic" at our southern border.
Anybody on the planet can fly to Ecuador with no visa.
From China to Cameroon, they come.

Waiting buses take them to the north of Colombia, where they walk across the Darien Gap in Panama, then they catch river boats to waiting buses that take them to Costa Rica. Then they take more waiting buses country by country right to the U.S. border.

All this is assisted at every stage by the U.N., the U.S. govt, and the NGO "cutouts" who do their bidding. Mayorkas and "Biden" are behind this treasonous invasion up to their eyeballs.

New Ben Bergquam video at link. I was with him, Michael Yon and Oscar Blue in Panama last week.

I agree, treasonous.  To the extent we help them, support these countries and organizations doing this and to the extent we aren't doing everything in our power to stop it, it's treasonous.

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« Reply #1940 on: January 30, 2023, 06:09:49 AM »
that treasonous Mayorkas

could have easily ordered that immigrants get corona shots
but he didn't; probably used  excuses
to avoid so he could ship them in faster , avoid the fact they are bringing in diseases with them etc.

look at the CDC flu map
New Mexico is still orange
this state has been red the entire flu season - far more then any other state.
Unless it is a flawed reporting (BS data ) issue, I can't think of any other reason other then illegals flooding in with flu etc.

here is another parasitic disease
that illegals are likely bringing in although not clear if common or not [probably not]:

https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/leishmaniasis/epi.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7998217/

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« Reply #1941 on: January 30, 2023, 06:18:55 AM »
" I was with him, Michael Yon and Oscar Blue in Panama last week."

???

Matt Bracken and Michael Yon have been working together on documenting the current invasion of the US.

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for the children
« Reply #1942 on: February 09, 2023, 02:23:51 PM »
https://newjerseymonitor.com/2023/01/19/n-j-expands-health-care-coverage-to-all-children-regardless-of-immigration-status/

"Amy Torres, executive director of the New Jersey Alliance for Immigrant Justice, noted that families seeking to be immigrants often must save money for expensive naturalization applications or DACA renewals. With the expansion of insurance access, Torres said, health care costs are one less thing migrant families have to worry about.

“Racial disparities continue to persist in New Jersey, and by providing coverage for our kids in these early years of their lives, we are making bold strides to begin addressing these gaps,” said Torres. 

The work is not over, Torres added, as future governors must ensure the program continues to receive funding as immigrant communities grow. "

"immigration justice " -  what the heck are they talking about

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« Reply #1943 on: February 09, 2023, 02:48:25 PM »
https://newjerseymonitor.com/2023/01/19/n-j-expands-health-care-coverage-to-all-children-regardless-of-immigration-status/

"Amy Torres, executive director of the New Jersey Alliance for Immigrant Justice, noted that families seeking to be immigrants often must save money for expensive naturalization applications or DACA renewals. With the expansion of insurance access, Torres said, health care costs are one less thing migrant families have to worry about.

“Racial disparities continue to persist in New Jersey, and by providing coverage for our kids in these early years of their lives, we are making bold strides to begin addressing these gaps,” said Torres. 

The work is not over, Torres added, as future governors must ensure the program continues to receive funding as immigrant communities grow. "

"immigration justice " -  what the heck are they talking about

It means we get to pay for the 3rd world invaders.



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Re: illegal children being exploited
« Reply #1949 on: February 25, 2023, 09:53:04 AM »
https://dnyuz.com/2023/02/25/alone-and-exploited-migrant-children-work-brutal-jobs-across-the-u-s/

 :x

The worse scenarios are those being sold into sex trafficking. The numbers are massive and the open borders advocates are responsible.