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« Reply #502 on: January 06, 2021, 02:18:18 PM »
Pulling out the big guns. The U.S. appears to be trying to speed up India’s military (especially naval) modernization drive. The U.S. Navy is reportedly giving its Indian counterpart three medium-caliber naval guns from its own inventory. India has been signing an array of bigger, longer-term deals with the U.S. and partners like France and Israel, but it’s notable to see something in the space that can actually happen quickly.

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« Reply #503 on: January 06, 2021, 06:29:02 PM »
India-China border standoff completes 9 months. No withdrawal by either side.
Indian sources claiming intercepts and reports suggests Chinese conscripts suffering tremendously in the cold. They have limited high altitude/winter experience.
India has 20 years high altitude experience from the Siachen glacier.


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« Reply #506 on: February 11, 2021, 06:40:58 PM »
Deal on the Himalayas. India and China reached yet another agreement on pulling back troops from the Line of Actual Control, the two countries’ tense de facto Himalayan border. The unforgiving topography of the area limits the potential for escalation, but also perpetuates low-level instability. Periodic flare-ups will continue so long as both sides continue infrastructure development near the contested zones – and so long as China has a strategic interest in keeping India focused on the front rather than its maritime domain.

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« Reply #507 on: February 11, 2021, 06:55:45 PM »
"...and so long as China has a strategic interest in keeping India focused on the front rather than its maritime domain."

 - Funny that I thought the exact opposite, China wants to focus on its other front.

Wouldn't you think that conflict with China increases India's interest in militarizing its navy?
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Aug 2020:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1329579/india-china-latest-indian-navy-warship-ladakh-clash-world-war-3
India deploys warship to South China Sea in warning to Beijing
INDIA has deployed a warship to the South China Sea following the bloody clash with Beijing in the Ladakh region.

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« Reply #508 on: February 11, 2021, 08:39:10 PM »
The China initiated aggression on the Indian border, did not pay any dividends to them. No gain in territory, turned public opinion in India against China, lost a ton of contracts and business in India. India came closer to the US and Quad countries, India raised military spending, updated a lot of weapons, redoubled infrastructure spending at the border, increased maritime security and updated the Andaman Nicobar island commands etc. Finally, they are now forced to eat humble pie and start the withdrawal first, followed by the Indian side.

Looks like they overestimated their strengths and realized,  a 2 front war with India and Taiwan was a no-win situation.
India is fully aware of its maritime strengths in the Indian Ocean, it just choses to not flex in that area. Were a mountain war to start, India could put pressure on the Malacca Straights and choke Chinese traffic. China has a lot of money, but even they would not have the resources to maintain their 1000 + mile long supply lines to the Ladakh region.

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How to contain China w Xi-Den in the White House
« Reply #509 on: February 11, 2021, 09:20:00 PM »
How to contain the PRC while Xi-Den occupies the White House

1. India, Australia and Japan formally recognize the Republic of China and sign a mutual defense treaty.

2. India helps the ROC (Taiwan) become a nuclear power. No need for ICBMs, tactical nukes to incinerate an invasion fleet and return fire to the PRC is all that is required.

3. Japan can position JSDF assets in the ROC and help with air defense missions.

4. Australian forces can use decades of war fighting experience to train up ROC troops (Foreign Internal Defense).

Protecting India, Japan and Australia (And the greater Asia-Pacific) from PRC aggression starts at the shores of Taiwan.

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« Reply #510 on: February 12, 2021, 06:16:46 AM »
India does not have the financial or military heft to support Taiwan in this way. India does not even teach Pak a serious lesson, let alone China. There is a defensive mindset in India, does not want to spend on weapons...development is more important..yada yada..The question is why is the world's sole super power not doing any of this ?.

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« Reply #511 on: February 12, 2021, 06:30:55 AM »
Because our President in on the Chinese payroll and he got into office thanks to the censorship of the Goolag Oligopoly allies of the Chi Coms?

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« Reply #512 on: February 12, 2021, 08:09:10 AM »
ya: "India does not have the financial or military heft to support Taiwan in this way. India does not even teach Pak a serious lesson, let alone China. There is a defensive mindset in India, does not want to spend on weapons..."

  - All true but I wonder if India's mindset about defense will be expanding given the latest standoff with China, the growing ambition and military capabilities of PRC, and the loss of ally Trump in the US.

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« Reply #513 on: February 12, 2021, 09:39:28 AM »
Yes, a new emphasis on increased military spending and preparedness is visible. As soon as China calms down, military spending will turn down. Having said that it is clear, that India will not back down due to a threat of military aggression from China. China knows, that they would have suffered great pain, in any war on the Indo-China border, which is why they were forced to sheepishly  pullback their tanks first.

Like in a B movie western, China will be back again, perhaps after they have settled the Taiwan issue.

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« Reply #514 on: February 12, 2021, 01:25:22 PM »
India does not have the financial or military heft to support Taiwan in this way. India does not even teach Pak a serious lesson, let alone China. There is a defensive mindset in India, does not want to spend on weapons...development is more important..yada yada..The question is why is the world's sole super power not doing any of this ?.

All Taiwan needs is the expertise. Taiwan already has nuclear power plants and the intellectual horsepower. It wouldn't be difficult.

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« Reply #515 on: February 12, 2021, 01:26:41 PM »
Yes, a new emphasis on increased military spending and preparedness is visible. As soon as China calms down, military spending will turn down. Having said that it is clear, that India will not back down due to a threat of military aggression from China. China knows, that they would have suffered great pain, in any war on the Indo-China border, which is why they were forced to sheepishly  pullback their tanks first.

Like in a B movie western, China will be back again, perhaps after they have settled the Taiwan issue.

Yes. They will push until they hit resistance. Then wait and try again.

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« Reply #516 on: February 15, 2021, 02:01:48 PM »
Deconstruction in the Himalayas. China is reportedly dismantling a bunch of military infrastructure in the part of the Himalayas where Beijing and New Delhi recently agreed to pull back troops. According to Indian media, Chinese troops have taken apart a helipad, a jetty and several structures, including observation posts.


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« Reply #517 on: February 15, 2021, 04:37:36 PM »
The Chinese soldiers are in a hurry to go back to their Oxygen enriched barracks and eat Chicken Kung pao and humble pie. :-D The disengagement is going fine so far. The agreement was to take apart all construction in the region of the Pangong Tso lake bank since April 2020, when they started their intrusions.

Interestingly India's last outpost is just before finger 4 see ITBP post in picture, from there to finger 4 there is no road and its just a single file walk way carved into the mountainside. India's claim line is till finger 8 and the Chinese have a post just after F8  called Sirijap. Chinese claim line is till F4. During the Kargil war with Pak, India moved away its forces and could not afford to raise objections to Chinese motorable road building from finger 8 to finger 4. As a result of that, Indians patrol from Finger 4 to 8 by foot, whereas the Chinese could just cruise in their humvees. Since April 2020, they were not allowing Indian patrols beyond the narrow ledge after Finger 4. Now they have had to remove the jetty as well as other posts they had created in the fingers region. The region between F4-8, will not be patrolled by both sides for the present.

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« Reply #518 on: February 19, 2021, 04:27:00 AM »
China is finally acknowledging some casualties, offering medals to 5 killed in the Galwan barbaric attack incident. Indian army general says Chinese casualties were 2x Indian casualties (around 45) Lots of meltdown in Chinese media, Indian media talking about China running away from the battlefield in Ladakh !